tv New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar CNN July 6, 2021 4:00am-5:01am PDT
>> what food did you eat too much of during sweets? >> what kind? >> i love chocolate, caramel, pastries, ice cream, you name it, i love sweets. >> and your favorite dish to cook? >> my favorite dish to cook is actually when i cook some great pasta for my wife and business partner, gililea, and we have dinner together. i think it's a moment where it's really amazing, where we can talk about business, what we're going to do together. i think that's really a great time for me. >> it's about the company and the food, right? >> exactly, yeah. >> thank you so much, it is wonderful to see you, wolfgang p puck. >> thank you. i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman on this new day. an american crisis gets worse, 400 shootings over the weekend with dozens of americans dying. a doctor pleading with patients and anyone who will listen to get vaccinated as coronavirus cases rise.
plus a republican congressman says he's not responsible for his own rallying cry to a mob of trump supporters who stormed the capitol. and details on the huge cyber attack targeting hundreds of businesses and who's behind it. welcome to our viewers in the united states, and around the world. it is tuesday, july 6th. and americans shot off more than just fireworks on july 4. they also shot off guns. a lot of them, at each other. at least 150 people were killed by gun violence in more than 400 shootings across the country during the fourth of july weekend. from friday through sunday, there were at least four mass shootings with four or more victims from texas to virginia to ohio. some victims as young as 5 years
old. >> big cities including new york and chicago, struggling with a significant surge in gun violence. in 2021, gun violence incidents in new york have spiked almost 40% year to year. adrienne broaddus joins us now from chicago where it was obviously another very violent weekend. >> reporter: john, it was. and investigators here in chicago have something in common with investigators across the country. many investigators at police departments are trying to determine a motive for these shootings, shootings that left at least 150 people dead. among those killed, 16 here in chicago. and among the 16, a member of the illinois national guard. his family identified him on social media, and they said he recently completed basic army training. he was among those who died here in chicago. but at least 80 people were also
shot. not only here in chicago, as you all mentioned at the top of the hour, it's happening in other large cities across the country. since friday, at least 500 people were shot. in norfolk, virginia, 400 people were shot, and norfolk, virginia, four children, the youngest a 6-year-old girl, also shot. two 16-year-olds, a boy and a girl as far as that 4-year-old, investigators say her injuries were life threatening. she's listed now in stable condition. moving to dallas, that's where police responded to two separate shootings on the fourth of july. one where there were five men who were shot, and coming back to chicago, we heard from a doctor who's in one of the local hospitals. he sees trauma on a daily basis. and if you think about it, this is nothing members of the health
community or any community in general should get used to. they are treating multiple gunshot victims daily. and he talked about the number of gun sales going up in 2020, and he said something has to be done to address this problem. john and brianna? >> adrianenne broaddus, thank y very much. a new about face from j.d. vance, deleting tweets which he called trump reprehensible, and now he's publicly asking for forgiveness. >> like a lot of people, i criticized trump in 2016 and asked people not to judge me based on what i said in 2016 because i have been open about the fact i did say critical things and i regret them and being wrong about the guy. i think he was a good president. i think he made a lot of good decisions for people, and i think he took a lot of flat.
>> joining me now cnn political commentator, michael smerconish. saw you last night, this time we get to talk more. people remember the space that j.d. vance occupies here. in his book, hill billy el, people who felt left behind by the economy, and he was very specifically critical of donald trump himself. now that just hasn't changed, he's now basically apologizing for ever saying anything bad about trump. what does it say to you? >> it's so funny that you frame it that way because i had a conversation with my radio producer just last week when he announced his candidacy. we went back to our archives and replayed the hill billy elegy interview that i did with j.d. vance because i wondered aloud, is he the guy we thought he was
when he first happened on the scene, and was embraced by the mainstream im mainstream media. never scrub your twitter file. that's worse in terms of an explanation, it looks deceitful, and the k file or somebody else is always going to find those tweets. instead, bury them, tweet more often and hope no one finds it. what it speaks to is the belief that you can't survive a contested republican situation, a primary, unless you're on the trump team. and then somehow in the general election, you need distance. so i'm sure j.d. vance wishes that at times of the general election is when this all would come it light. >> do you think you can survive, michael, if like j.d. vance has, criticize trump in the past, tried to hide it, and now apologized for it.
do voters he's trying to attract accept that? >> i think voters that, well, maybe not that he's trying to attract because in a republican primary, you have got to be lock step with the former president of the united states. i think that most americans do fluctuate on many many issues. and that there would be a tolerance for a change in opinion. at least i hope so. my opinions certainly have changed over time, but the hiding of it, i think, is more problematic, than whatever it is he may have said initially. i thought it was kind of funny that tim ryan presumably, his democratic opponent in ohio in the general said there's one thing that j.d. vance and i agree on, neither of us voted for donald trump. i thought that was funny. >> michael last night, when you were hosting here on cnn, you had a conversation with an arizona election official that was contacted or attempted to be contacted during, you know, the whole big lie run up by both trump and giuliani.
i want to listen to part of that conversation. >> it wasn't stone walling. we weren't in litigation at all of these points. i wanted to make sure that i was not having conversations outside of that, whatever needed to be said needed to be said in a courtroom in front of a judge or a jury. >> he knew. he knew it was wrong when they were trying to reach out to him. that's what that says to me, michael. >> john, brianna, this is really interesting. clint hickman is this fellow's name, and he was a maricopa county supervisor, a trump supporters. it's not as if he were a detractor. what's most significant to me is he was supportive of donald trump, had met him on the tarmac. he had even gotten one of those campaign rally shout outs, but he's in a position now of authority relative to counting the ballots, and on two occasions when the white house operator reaches out for him, one of them interestingly was a new year's eve phone call, he refuses to take the call.
and meanwhile, in georgia, brad raffensperger does take the call and we all got to hear the sum and substance of it. so this was a guy who voted for donald trump, wanted donald trump to be reelected but knew enough to stay away when the former president who was then the president tried to meddle in the election outcome. >> i want to get your thoughts on something that i know has been weighing on your mind, mook l, -- michael, something that is relevant post fourth of july, the politicalization of the american flag. >> so it's funny because on radio recently going into the holiday weekend, i wondered aloud whether you could discern the political stripe of a neighbor by whether they were displaying the american flag, and brianna, i had a great conversation with the radio audience, and people would call and say, if i see one on the back of the pickup truck, i premium it's a trump supporter. i'm not sure i want to be
perceived as a trump supporter. "the new york times" writes about this over the weekend, and of course it becomes a meme over on fox, oh, "the new york times," can you believe now they're critical of those who wave old glory, that's not what it was about at all. the polling data suggests that republicans more apt, it was 80% to 53% than democrats to be displaying an american flag. it's just an observation of whether, like so many other things, now even the american flag has become a symbol of the partisan divide. >> it's a shame. in a lot of ways that the flag has become a divisive symbol in some people's minds, and not everybody's, and it shouldn't be. i want to ask you something crucial here, matthew mcconaughey, listen to what he said about america. >> as we celebrate our birth as a nation, a day that kick started a revolution to gain our sovereignty, let's admit this
last year's trip around the sun was a head scratcher, but let's also remember that we are babies, you know, as a country, we are basically going through puberty in comparison to other country's time lines. >> a, time is a flat circle, b, apparently america's body is changing, and having uncomfortable thoughts. what he's saying there, michael, actually, i think isn't unserious, though because he uses the puberty word and it's matthew mcconaughey in sunglasses, i think a lot of people were snickering. >> two things, number one, you're popular up until the point when you formally decide to get in the race, and then all of a sudden your numbers change, so be careful matthew mcconaughey, love your work but those numbers don't remain where they are today. secondly, puberty, nah, i think it's midlife crisis, and let's all buy the porsche and move on. >> i have found this whole conversation interesting, though, i will tell you, the
fact that he used the word puberty, i think, has gotten the conversation going in a way that people are trying to think about where is this moment that we are in as a nation. and i will say, i don't know, i don't know about buying the porsche, that's kind of crazy, michael smerconish. >> the wispy nation. after months of progress, coronavirus cases are rising again in parts of the country despite the vaccinations as highly contagious delta variant spreads, this is according to new data from johns hopkins university that, states with below average vaccination rates have almost tripled the rate of new covid-19 cases compared with states above average vaccination rates. let's talk about this with someone who has seen this on the ground firsthand, dr. nick sawyer, an emergency medicine physician at uc davis health. sir, thank you for being with us. you caught our attention because just a few days ago you tweeted
this. you said i intubated an incredibly sick patient with covid-19, age about 30. i feel like this shouldn't be happening. get vaccinated. t tell us, you know, what that makes you think when you see it, and what you are thinking about people getting vaccinated writ large. >> it's, you know, it's been an incredibly long 15 months, and we had this patient come in, who was incredibly sick, and very young, and really confused, altered mental status, didn't know, ultimately, i mean, initially what was wrong with this patient. and you know, wearing the protective gear in case it was coronavirus, and it turned out in the end after the breathing tube, that the patient came positive for covid, and it's just, you know, we're all shaking our heads in the emergency department thinking why is this still happening. we have vaccinations that are readily available. we're the envy of the world, you know, everybody has the
opportunity to get vaccinated. and still there's people out there who are not getting vaccinated and getting really sick and it's just this far into it, it's a real shame. >> it sounds awful, we have now reached the optional portion of the pandemic, at this point. this is the optional part. anthony fauci said 99.2% of deaths are coming among unvaccin unvaccinated people, that is an extraordinary statistic. and you can choose to get them in your own county. only 60% of the people in sacramento are vaccinated at this point. that shows you the danger. >> yep. i mean, it's amazing, at this point, i actually worked yesterday and we had three patients who were positive for coronavirus yesterday. we just went through weeks and weeks and weeks without any coronavirus positivity. and everybody that i talked to had decided not to get the
vaccine. and the thing is that when we speak with patients, what really needs to happen is the doctors and the nurses and other health care professionals really need to step up to answer people's questions. i took part in a phone bank in our local news where people could call in and just talk to doctors from uc davis health, and people have legitimate questions, because they were concerned about, you know, coronavirus vaccine side effects, and just a lot of it was conspiracy theories, and a lot of it was legitimate questions people wanted to know before they got vaccinated. and i think there's a lack of communication, that people have time to spend time talking to health professionals, and investing people, and many of them told me they were willing to get vaccinated that next day, they just need to have a few things cleared up. >> good for you for engaging people outside of the hospital in a way like that to answer some questions. it's really good feedback that you're getting. i do want to ask you about what we're seeing with this delta
variant. an israeli study shows that the pfizer vaccine was somewhat less protective against severe disease and hospitalization than before, and linked this drop to the spread of the delta variant. you know, what are your concerns as you're looking at these numbers, and how it's interacting not as well with the vaccinations? >> yeah, i mean, the first thing i'll say is that it's still protective to the point that if you get sick with the delta variant it's going to reduce the illness that you get. it's kind of like the flu vaccine. each year they forecast what the flu will look like, and come up with a new booster shot, and so if you get the flu, you're not quite as ill as you would be if you didn't get the flu shot at all. that's how it is when you get the covid vaccination, and that's incredibly important that people understand that it's not like this delta variant out there, may as well not get
vaccinated at all. the vaccines provide a level of protection. please get vaccinated. the major thing that we need to be very very clear about is that these vaccines are incredibly safe, incredibly effective, and all of the conspiracy theories that are flying around in the social media stras ustosphere a just not true. we have looked at the data and read the reports, and i want to make sure it's clear that people understand that these vaccines are incredibly safe and effective. delta variant or not, get vaccinated and if we need to get a booster, we'll get boosters. >> the delta variant is more reason to get vaccinated. it's certainly a doozy there. and you may be seeing that in your emergency room soon. dr. nick sawyer. thank you. >> thank you. >> another cyber attack targeting hundreds of businesses, why we may not know the full scope of the damage here. and republicans going after president biden's agenda.
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now in the senate? >> first of all, thanks for having me this morning. i think everybody understands that the way the senate is behaving that at best it's on life support because of the inability to come together and work. now, there are some efforts underway, but i don't know how significant they are in ittermsf numbers. if you can't count votes in d.c., you're in lala land. if the votes are there, and they can come together, then we'll see the senate resuscitated. but the way it is right now, it's on life support. >> inability to come together and work. whose fault is that? >> well, it's easy to say it's the system's fault, but it isn't necessarily the system's fault. people want to blame the filibuster as being the reason. that's not the case. the senate's worked in the past with the filibuster. so that isn't the answer. i think what's happened, i think
the leaders of the caucuses, the democratic leader and/or in this case the republican leader can have too much power seeded to it, and in particular, the leadership on the republican side, mitch mcconnell only has one republican vote for him as the leader of the republican caucus. and that's from rand paul, his colleague. you know, when you go to the senate, you're there for the same reason your colleagues are. you got more votes in the last election than your opponent did. you won the election. nobody back home necessarily voted for somebody to be leader, so you have to be careful that you don't seed too much power to the leader and that the leader doesn't become autocratic and threaten you to take away your leadership positions or your committees assignments, so the
leadership has way too much power. the leaders are there to make sure that the trains run on time, and that the business of the senate is accomplished. not to obstruct and assert at the very beginning of a presidential term that your number one goal is to make sure that that president doesn't get reelected. that's the problem i think we have in the senate today. >> i want to pick up on the last point there. you suggest that there are too many senators now who go to washington to stop things from happening. >> that's right. >> instead of going there to get things done. how much of a change is that? >> well, you know, when i was running for the senate the first time, i said that with respect to the president, for example, i'll support the president when i think the president is right, i won't when i don't, but i'm not going to obstruct. i'll try to look for solutions. that's what has to happen. they have to look for solutions and stop obstructing.
now, if you're doing something like i think joe manchin is doing at the moment, he's not obstructing, he's holding things up to try to bring bipartisanship back into the mix of things. bipartisan solutions are almost always better, and almost more lasting and ever lasting than an absolute partisan slam dunk. >> there are people on this article in the "new york times" which mention where you talk about in advance of your new book suggest that you are the joe manchin of your era. i'm not sure it's a one-to-one comparison there. times were different then, and joe manchin is holding out for -- people suggest, holding out for an ideal that doesn't exist anymore. what do you think of that? >> well, you know, i hope that's not the case. i hope that's not the case that it doesn't exist anymore. i don't think it's as prevalent
as it was when i was there. we had a pretty large contingent called the centrist coalition. and it was bipartisan. and people, you know, sometimes it's 20 people. sometimes more. sometimes fewer. but we have people who are willing to cross the aisle and work with one another to try to find an answer, try to find a solution. move the ball forward. get to the 10 yard line finish. that was where we were back then. i think that there's too much intimidation now with a leader on the republican side who says you do it for me, do it as a favor. i don't understand the power that the leadership has today. it certainly didn't have it back then with a gang of 14 on judicial nominations, getting up and down votes. seven democrats, seven
republicans took the ball and decided we were going to get judicial nominees, up or down votes and that not everything was going to be filibustered or have to go to cloture as they say. so it's possible for maybe to take the ball away from the leaders just a bit, and work on your own to bring about bipartisan solutions. i don't think it's dead. i think it's on life support, but i think the senate is going to die if they eliminate the fill buster and turn it into a raucous group like the house that is slam dunk, whoever's in charge, whoever has the majority wins as opposed to recognizing the rights of a minority to work things out in a cool, calm, collected fashion. >> of course that does assume there is a solid center of people who want to get things done and compromise. we'll see. senator nelson, great to be with you. thanks so much for being with
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a federal judge will hear arguments in the insurrection lawsuit between two members of congress. democratic eric swalwell sued republican mo brooks arguing that brooks incited the capitol riot in his speech to the trump crowd hours before the riot making an appeal, or actually it was taking names and kicking ass. now, brooks claims that his words were protected speech, protected as a member of congress. joining me now is the attorney
for congressman eric swalwell. great to see you again, as we monitor the progress. >> thanks for having me back. >> your argument is that mo brooks was acting in his personal capacity. his response to the court he's arguing that it was in more of his professional capacity, which is an important thing to note because he does have protections if he can convince the court that he was acting as a member of congress. you know, how concerned are you about this argument? >> look, it's not a crazy principle that he's raising. as you said, members of congress have cover for things within the scope of their employment, giving speeches, doing things for constituents and that's fine. that's good. we want elected officials working. the key, though, is what is within the scope of employment, and clearly not everything a member of congress or any employee does is within the scope of employment.
that's why there's a test to figure out if, in fact, it was. that's the point we think brooks misses or ignores which is what happened on january 6th and the lead up to that is absolutely not anything that is legitimate or could be construed as legitimate business of a member of congress. it was a call to arms based on an entire fraud and fiction perpetrated on the country by brooks and trump, the other defendants in this case. and it has no legitimate purpose. and you know, it's not like he was giving a speech at a bake sale or, you know, giving signatures for a petition looking to sternly ask joe biden to give the election he stole back. this was at a rally that had one purpose and that led to exactly what was foreseeable and intended. >> he says he was representing constituents upset about the election, the outcome of the election. he also alleges voter fraud in
many states, which by the way is verifiably not true, it just didn't happen. his lawyers say this, quote, in brooks judgment, donald trump won the electoral college and should be serving his second term as president of the united states. brooks welcomes public debate with anyone who ignorantly claims otherwise. okay, he is wrong. >> right. >> so if he is perpetrating a lie on behalf of his constituents, that's his argument, two things could be true, one, he actually believes it or two he doesn't. so let's start with the he doesn't because that seems i think a lot of members of congress to fall into that one. if he doesn't believe it but he's perpetrating it on behalf of his constituents, is he possibly protected. there's many times lawmakers may be perpetrating something that's not true on quote unquote behalf of their participants. >> i don't know what it is, if he's dangerously delusional or dishonest, either way, i don't
think it's good for anyone, but i guess my response to that is his constituents had their voice. they voted for who they voted for, and they lost. just like many millions of other americans and do every presidential election cycle. the test is not my constituents would prefer donald trump to be president, and therefore i'm just speaking their will, the test is we have an election, a person won that election who wasn't donald trump, neither brooks nor his constituents nor anyone else is free to then engage in willfully destructive conduct undermining the democracy because they don't like the results of the election. and it's inarguably true that the election was secure, was not riddled with fraud, and the fact that brooks is probably lying through his teeth, and knowingly running with something he knows not to be true makes it all the
worse. that's precisely the kind of thing we cannot have in a democratic society. >> quickly before i let you go, next step, what are we looking at in this case? >> the judge issued an order yesterday asking for our response, and asking for d. o.j. to respond by july 27th. and brooks will have another short period to reply to that, and presumably the court will decide whether or not brooks is the proper defendant and go forward from there. >> we'll be watching. phil, thank you so much. >> thanks again. an ohio police chief caught on video putting a kkk sign on a black officer's desk. see what happened next, and how he explained it. plus, breaking news, hurricane watches issued for parts of the florida coast, and the storm is threatening to complicate the search effort in the surfside condo collapse. we have a live report from the storm's path, just ahead.
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pain at the pump on your next road trip. gas prices could rise again. chief business correspondent christine romans here with that. >> and they're rising right now. oil producers cancelled a key meeting on monday, to discuss pumping more oil. that hopes for an agreement to lower prices here. let's take a look at where oil prices are right now. some analysts are telling me we're getting close to $80 a barrel. and last week oil prices finished above $75 a barrel for the first time in three years. in an otherwise roaring u.s. economy, it's a potential problem for the biden administration. the white house said it is monitoring the opec plus negotiations. we are not a party to the talks by administers officials have been engaged can relevant capitals. in other words, pump more oil. the opec drama comes as americans are on the roads and paying the highest gas prices in
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customers in turn provide i.t. services to grocery stores, accountants, doctors offices, think about how far that can reach. we know they have talked to the white house and briefed the white house on this and trying to get back up and running here it was a ransomware attack over the weekend. a lot of companies were closed for the long holiday. in the u.s. i think today we'll get a better sense of how far it goes. the company says 800 to 1,500 businesses compromised. it could be bigger than that. and we know the ransomware group, the firm located in eastern europe and russia has asked for $70 billion in bitcoin, and provide a universal de decryptor, you can't do business until you pay, and it's a real problem. >> they find companies you may not think of otherwise but the lynch pans, the center of hubs here and have a big ripple effect. >> exactly. >> christine romans, thank you so much. a tower has been tilting and
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just in to cnn, people are flying again. tsa releasing july 4 travel figures from the nation's airports. and pete monteen, you're at regan national airport where people are flying out of. the numbers here are pretty big. >> reporter: very big, breyona. the tsa screened 10 million people in the last five days alone. the numbers on some of those days have actually been bigger than 2019 back before the pandemic. the tsa screened 2.1 million people on thursday and friday, and then again just yesterday. yesterday just shy of the pandemic record. the third busiest day of the pandemic. what's interesting is thursday
and friday numbers were larger than the same day back in 2019. really speaks to the whole notion of pent up demand, people just waiting on the side lines to travel again. the lines at regan national airport are the longest we have seen in months. the tsa said they were screening more people than 2019 like nashville and myrtle beach. united airline c.e.o. scott kirby said he expected that monday would be the busiest day for the airline in the last 16 months. >> leisure demand is more than 100% recovered. indicates the huge desire for people to get back to living life. >> reporter: remember, this whole experience of coming back to travel has not been without its problems. flight aware says airlines canceled or delayed in the u.s. about 2,000 flights just yesterday comparatively small number to what it was, but remember airlines got a lot smaller during the pandemic. that means fewer people staffing fewer airplanes makes it harder for airlines to bounce back from things like maintenance and weather issues.
brianna. >> really tough for flyers to get rescheduled. and certainly puts a crimp in their travel plans. pete live at national airport. thank you. helping to make important decisions for the nation and legacy, a new book explores the untold stories of unofficial presidential advisers and how these friendships influence history and the world. it's called "first friends: the powerful unsung and unelected people who shape our presidents." the author, gary ginsburg joins me. gary, great to see you. i have to say this subject so fertile, i think it's a great subject for a book and the examples you chose were phenomenal. why did you decide to do this? >> well, since i was a young kid i've always been fascinated by the american presidency. when i got older i worked on presidential campaigns then i worked in the clinton administration. i came to witness some really
remarkable close friendships between leaders and their best friends and i learned to appreciate how this friend could speak more bluntly, act more naturally than any staffer or aide could. and even in some cases as i write, have a meaningful impact on consequential decisions. to my surprise there's been very little written about this dynamic, almost nothing in presidential literature. books about first wives, first pets, first chefs, even first butt letters, but not first friends. so i decided to write the book. >> you talk about the impact of history. how about israel? president true man's friend eddy jacobson. let's talk about the friend he had from the habadashery. someone with deep in securities yet out sized ambitions. the most powerful leader who never earned a degree. he used anti-semitic slurs but recognized israel. for the latter part in particular, it was eddie
jacobson who played a crucial role. tell us about eddie. >> it was. i think that chapter is the most powerful example of how a lifelong friendship can change history. in the early 1920s in kansas city, it failed, but they stayed best friends afterward. and because of this friendship which was a relationship built on total trust, total respect, jacobson could fly halfway across the country, march into the oval office one day in 1948. he didn't have an invitation, and he could speak to the president in the most direct and brutally honest terms, using words and mannerisms that no staffer would dare try lest they get fired. all of this was to convince the president to do what he knew was right. but out of frustration that i detail in great length in my chapter, he'd been resisting which is recognize an independent jewish state. two months after eddie walked into the oval office and spoke to him, only after that intervention was truman was the
first foreign leader to recognize israel minutes after it was declared. >> it was amazing the influence he had and the change in history he made by that one trip is phenomenal. you say that bill clinton may not have been president had it not been for vernon jordan. explain. >> well, he had this magical career, but in 1980 when he was running for reelection for arkansas governor he lost and he was devastated. vernon jordan called hillary and said i'm coming to talk some sense into you guys. in 2 1/2 hours he spoke in blunt terms to bill, you have to stay in the game. he was thinking about leaving, taking private sector jobs, other jobs. after that 2 1/2 hour conversation, he stayed in the game, became governor two years later and president ten years later. >> abraham lincoln and joshua speed. this is historically interesting. why? >> well, it's interesting because in 1841 -- first, they were sleeping together in the
same bed for four years in a little room above a store that joshua speed owned. and in 1841, lincoln becomes totally depressed. he's thinking of killing himself. speed takes away all of his sharp objects, his razors, et cetera, essentially saves his life. and then 20 years later one of the first meetings lincoln has as president elect is with speed. please come join my administration. speed says, no, i'm too rich to do it. i'll do something more important. i'll save kentucky from seceding, one of the five border states crucial to keeping them in the union. he does everything to keep kentucky in the unii don't ththink union, they go to war and stays intact. >> you said they were more than just friends but you found no evidence of that. >> historians have been trying desperately to prove that they were lovers, but there's just no
evidence. >> former president donald trump, now, it's interesting. he had certain types of friends. friends like rudy giuliani who helped get him impeached twice. but in terms of like close personal friendships, trump is not included in your book. why? >> well, actually, i wanted to include him. i called someone as close to trump as anyone. we went back and forth. is there a first friend? even this person said at the end, had to admit he's friendless. he's a guy who just doesn't need a first friend. he's constitutionally and emotionally capable of living without one. i think at the end of the day his first friend is really his twitter feed for want of a better way to describe it. just the a ddoration of his bas. he would take friends and relatives to camp david. what he would do is closet himself in the cabin and call around to supporters to get affirmation. i couldn't find a trump friend as much as i tried. >> maybe he needed one. maybe that is something -- it can make a difference, as you
point out in the book repeatedly. >> i think we saw that in the last two months when no one could kind of go into the oval office and speak the hard truth to trump and tell him to get off the big lie. maybe that would have saved him from the second impeachment. >> i have a little bit of extra time here. i want to ask you about one of the worst presidents ever, nathaniel pearce and david hawthorne. how could such a bad president be friends with such a great writer? >> it's a story of two men who were deeply loyal to each other for 45 years. they were really against the world. they were pro celebrity who refused to pay homage. they remained intensely loyal to the end. when pearce took hawthorne away when he was dying and had hawthorne die by his side, it's a touching but sad chapter in my book. >> gary ginsburg, i think you can see how much i like this book and enjoy the stories in
it. i encourage people to buy it, first friends. it is such a fertile area that hasn't been explored. gary, thank you very much. >> thank you very much, john. >> "new day" continues right now. i'm john berman alongside brianna key letter. on this new day, does the new delta variant show signs of evading vaccines? a former white house covid adviser standing by to talk to us right now. plus, new hurricane watches now posted for parts of florida. we are live on the ground as tropical storm elsa closes in. and is the u.s. headed in the right direction? what more americans are saying about that this morning and what it could mean for the next presidential race. also high anxiety after the florida condo collapse. right now the tallest residential building in san francisco is sinking quite a bit and tilting. ♪ ♪
good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. it is tuesday, july 6th, and new concerns this morning about possibly the effectiveness of the pfizer vaccine against the fast-spreading delta variant. we have new analysis released by the israeli government. >> and this data shows a decline in protection against infections as well as severe disease. israel's ministry of health is now recommending fully vaccinated people who came into contact with an infected person should be tested. let's bring in senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. i mean, to be clear, elizabeth, this actually makes the case to get the vaccination even as it's showing perhaps some dip in the response here. tell us what this data says. >> absolutely, brianna. when i read this, my first response was thank goodness i'm vaccinated. now, before i get into this data, brianna, i want to put out a caveat.