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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, everyone, i'm alisyn camerota, welcome to a special holiday edition of "cnn newsroom." >> i'm victor blackwell. good to be with you. the most severe weather yet is expected in surfside, florida. you know, there is this desperate search and rescue mission. it continued overnight. there was a pause in the search for the demolition of the 81 units still standing after the
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catastrophic collapse 12 days ago. just a short time ago, officials there confirmed the demolition was a success, created safer conditions for teams there that they can now access more of the rubble. >> the pile that was closest to the remaining structure was effectively inaccessible by our search and rescue people, and so when i went out there this morning, of course, the whole building's now down. they were on that pile that had been difficult for them to access, and so they're making a lot of progress. >> but with better access, officials say searchers sadly found three more bodies. that brings the latest number of confirmed dead to 27. 118 people are still missing. but now, search and rescue crews must also brace for severe
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weather. the outer bands of tropical storm elsa expected to bring strong winds, heavy rains and possible flooding. cnn's natasha chen is in surfside for us. natasha, are search teams doing anything differently now with this storm approaching? >> reporter: alisyn, they are working as fast as they can, and they were very concerned that this storm might take down that building and make it fall the wrong way, so that is why there was such an urgent discussion about how to bring that building down in a controlled manner. that's what you saw there last night. it happened around 10:30 p.m. now, they got back to work very quickly. the rescue teams had paused for the engineers to prepare for that demolition, but once it was demolished, 20 minutes later, the mayor of surfside told us the search and rescue teams were back on that pile. they have been working all night, and of course they want to do as much as they can before any severe weather comes in. the good news being that that -- the worst of the weather seems
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to be going around this area and not directly at surfside. and of course, the mayor of miami dade county had to really reassure the public because they had a lot of questions about pets and animals as they were preparing for this demolition. here's what she said. >> we took every action that we possibly could to search for any pets, any animals in the building. prior to the demolition. in the days since the collapse, the miami dade fire rescue team conducted multiple full sweeps of the building, in-person, including searching in closets and under beds and other hiding places. >> reporter: mayor levine cava also said prior to this demolition, the remaining part of that building was really being propped up by the pile of rubble. it was unstable, causing an immediate threat to the people working on the site, so she and other officials has emphasized
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that they do feel this was the right thing to do, and you saw overnight three more people were found after they were able to bring the rest of that building down. so it definitely is an emotional thing for people to watch, especially if you're the family of those 118 people still missing and the people who perhaps were hoping to retrieve items from their units that were still standing there. but i'm understanding that there was a lot of communication with the families to help them understand that this is the safest and most productive way forward. alisyn and victor? >> obviously still very difficult to watch as the tangible parts of their lives then collapsed overnight. natasha chen for us there in surfside. thank you so much. joining us now is the mayor of miami dade county, daniella levine cava. thank you for taking some time. i know you are terribly busy but let's start there with the families who watched the remaining, the standing structure there that -- and listen, we know that the greatest loss is the loss of
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life, but they lost the tangible parts of their lives. what support is there for those families that watched the collapse overnight? >> we have everybody assembled to support the families still seeking loved ones and the survivors who had to evacuate. we have the federal agencies, fema, on site from immediately after the collapse, also the state department of emergency management. we've got counseling agencies, housing support, county departments, the replacement of documents. right now, everybody has been asked to document any of their valuables with photographs that they might have or any kind of proof so that we can be sure that as soon as we recover those valuables, we can categorize them. it's really an all hands on deck kind of effort. millions of dollars have been raised through private philanthropy and these funds are
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already being distributed to the families. >> and mayor, i mean, just one more point on this, because i received a frantic and desperate call from one of the survivors from that building last night who was so despondent that everything that she owns in the world was about to go down into rubble. i mean, these are -- we can all appreciate, obviously, the sentimental value of old photos, prize possessions. she said that she was working from home for the past year. her laptop, her important work documents, any tax documents, i mean, everything. just watching everything go up in smoke. she was saying she had talked to other residents that they felt sort of retraumatized, as you can imagine, by having to watch all of that. was there no way to let an emergency team go into that building and let people grab the few items that they would need for the rest of their life? >> i'm not sure if you know, but that building had shifted, actually moved, and it was only being held up by the rubble
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pile. so, we're talking about a building that was severely compromised. we were not allowing search and rescue teams in the building. they did the three passes early, and honestly, at great risk to themselves. they did a final pass for the pets that might have been there, identified in a few of the units. this is a very, very dangerous situation, and one that would have compromised safety. >> so, let's talk about tropical storm elsa. i just got an alert that it has made landfall on the coast of cuba. it's headed toward florida. of course, on the western side, which is, good news potentially for sauurfside. when will that require the search and rescue effort to stop down? do you know how long, potentially, it will have to hold off? >> i've been told that 30-mile-per-hour winds would pause the search as well as lightning. those are the two conditions.
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we're very hopeful that the path now will take it far enough away from surfside that we will not have to pause the effort. you know they've gone through so many rainstorms. it's been torrential all through the 12 days, and they have not ceased their search efforts, despite the weather. >> mayor, what about other buildings in miami dade? we know that so many of them are now being evaluated in light of all of this. so, how many, or have you been able to determine if people will have to permanently or at least for a, you know, extended period of time, evacuate from some other buildings that could be precarious? >> miami dade county has almost 3 million residents. 60% is in city, so as the countywide mayor, i have responsibility specifically for buildings in the county portion that's not in cities. and we have gone through in great detail all of those with
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recent recertifications or pending recertification and so far, really, we've only found four balconies that needed to be shut down. nobody had to be evacuated. but north miami beach, one of the cities, did their own audit and determined that a building did need to be evacuated as a result of the findings, so i'm hoping other cities will do the same, and of course we're all looking together at what can we do to strengthen these codes in future so that we get earlier notice of any potentially hazardous conditions and take all the necessary steps to protect everybody. >> all right, mayor danielle levine cava, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. so, the storm system that floridians are watching, taupe elsa, has already killed three people in the caribbean. let's get the latest on its track from cnn meteorologist tom sater. which way is it heading? >> the 2:00 p.m. advisory did give a landfall on the southern coast of cuba. about an hour ago, the sustained
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winds were stronger. i mean, right now, they're at 60 miles per hour, so it was up 65. so this interaction with cuba, i wouldn't be surprised to see it drop even more, maybe 55 miles per hour, down to 50. the problem is, once it makes its way into the warmer waters of the florida straits, we could see it back up to 65. elsa is the fifth named storm of the year, the earliest we've ever had a fifth name. sound familiar? went through that last year. it was a hurricane at one point through the caribbean. that's concerning. it's the earliest we've had a hurricane in the season in nine years but what we're going to be watching now, and again, the track, which has been shifting slightly westward, is very good news. they made the right call with the demolition. there's no doubt about it. when you have an uncertainty and that cone, that cone of uncertainty, when it includes parts of miami at one point, yes, you got to get, you know, everything's about safety. however, they're not out of it just yet. because if you look at some of the rain bands, most of the rain near the center is to the east,
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but we have a little bit to the north, all right? so they're going to have a little bit of a longer duration of rain, and that moves in, in a matter of hours. some of these thunderstorms, it's even see some of the lightning strikes. that's going to be a concern. however, the winds, the tropical storm force winds do not extend outward very far. this time of year, we don't see the monster storms. that doesn't mean over in surfside, they could have an isolated thunderstorm that develops a tropical storm force, maybe even spin up a small tornado. we don't want that. most of the activity will be west but you can see they're going to be into some ugly weather. i really believe it's going to be a lot like what they went through in the last week but it only takes one of these to spin up one of those isolated tornados and that's the concern. most of the activity will be tonight for them. overnight, and then through half the day tomorrow until it lifts into this area. landfall will be near cedar key, north, of course, of tampa bay,
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but it's the west coast that will see the storm surge 1 to 3 feet, get more into the winds and rainfall. the good news is lighter amounts will be in miami and the surfside area. but they'll contend with a little bit of activity that will cause them to halt their progress. >> all right, tom satyr, thank you so much. so listen, the roads, the airports, everything is packed as everyone's getting back to pre-pandemic life, but it may be catching some people off guard. plus, an update on the health of pope francis after his surgery on sunday.
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celebrate the long holiday weekend. they're crossing state lines in huge numbers, despite a rise of covid cases in 19 states, some with more than a 50% increase in new cases last week over the prior week. >> that map is just incredible to see all that red. according to aaa, nearly 50 million people are traveling by either car or plane this holiday weekend, and that's up by 40% over last year. cnn aviation and transportation correspondent pete joins us from route 1 in alexandria, virginia, and i'm just trying to see how busy it is behind you, pete. what does it look like? >> reporter: it's getting busier, alisyn. now is when the real headache begins, according to aaa. this is when everybody who left town is now coming back into town after the long holiday weekend and aaa anticipates the traffic in some major metro areas like san francisco and boston is about to be three times the norm. aaa forecasted about 43 million americans would travel by car between july 1st and july 5th. that represents about 90% of all
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travel, and that number is actually about 5% higher than back in 2019, pre-pandemic, so this could be a new record for car travel. but it will be more congested and it will cost more. the average price for a gallon of gas nationwide now above $3 a gallon. it's a dollar higher than where we were in 2020 and a seven-year high. we have not seen prices this high since 2014. one more factor at play here. there is a shortage of tanker truck drivers, making it harder for some smaller stations in some smaller areas to get gas. >> so, on your trip, you may find a gas station in some small markets, independent stations, that don't have gas. don't panic. go to the station across the street or the station down the road. they will have gas. >> reporter: all of this has not stopped people from getting out. aaa anticipated the top destinations would be orlando,
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disney world, anaheim, disneyland. one other factor at player here is the cost of rental cars is through the roof, up 86% in the last year and it seems like people just want to swallow that expense themselves rather than renting a car. they'd rather drive. >> pete muntean, thank you very much for the update. pope francis is still in the hospital following surgery yesterday. >> yeah, he's 84 years old. the pope went for his scheduled surgery just hours after conducting the traditional sunday prayer at st. peter square. cnn's vatican correspondent delia gallagher is with us now. he's he doing? >> reporter: well, victor and alisyn, it's good news. the latest medical bulletin says that the pope is alert. he is responding. he's breathing on his own. yesterday's surgery took about three hours and what they did was remove part of the lower left colon. the pope was suffering from dive
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diverticulitis, an inflammation of the colon, as well as stenosis, which can create blockages. they say this is a common ailment for the elderly. the pope is 84 years old. the surgery was under general anesthesia so certainly good news that the pope today is alert and responding. the prognosis is seven days in the hospital here behind me. this is a hospital. the pope's rooms are those five windows at the penultimate floor that have the blinds down. those are the suites for the pope. this is a hospital that has treated popes for decades. john paul ii spenlt a lot of time in those rooms. pope francis will be there for at least the next seven days. victor, alisyn? >> i'm sure they take extra precaution with a pope when he visits there. delia, thank you very much. so, former president trump appears to admit to tax fraud during a rally this weekend. and wait until you hear the voicemails left for arizona election officials by rudy giuliani. that's next.
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there's new evidence of efforts by donald trump and his allies to pressure arizona officials to overturn donald trump's election loss in the weeks after the 2020 election. >> so, the arizona republic has obtained new records showing that former president trump, his former personal attorney
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general, rudy giuliani, and arizona state gop chair kelly ward tried to major maricopa county supervisors overseeing election results. county super supervisors got ted phone calls. >> bill, it's rudy giuliani. president trump's lawyer. if you get a chance, would you please give me a call. i have a few things i'd like to talk over with you. maybe we can get this thing fixed up. i really think it's a shame that republicans sort of were in this situation and i think there may be a nice way to resolve it for everybody. >> our cnn political analyst and national politics reporter for the "washington post," e elie honig is a cnn senior legal analyst. gentlemen, welcome. to you, elie, first. what does a prosecutor hear in that voicemail? >> well, i hear the same thing
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that i heard a few months ago when we heard the georgia call from donald trump, where he said, i need you to find me 11,780 votes. this is rudy giuliani essentially saying the exact same thing in arizona. and what this tells me, victor, is this was part of a coordinated effort by donald trump and rudy giuliani to interfere with and overturn the election results in those two states and potentially elsewhere. these are crimes. let's be clear. it's a federal crime. it's a georgia crime, an arizona crime to try to convince an official to count votes that were not actually cast or not to count votes that were actually cast. this is serious stuff. we know the d.a. in georgia is investigating, and now we have to see whether the authorities, the prosecutors in arizona do the same thing. i think they ought to. >> the more we -- the more evidence that comes out and the more we hear about this pressure campaign to overturn donald trump's election loss, you realize the intestinal fortitude and steel spine it took for
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these local election officials to not return the call of the president of the united states or his attorney. and by the way, now, as we know, there are all of these laws in all of these various states that are in some cases going into effect to try to lessen the power of local election officials. >> that's right. the pressure campaign was incredibly intense. if you listen to some of the recordings that we have from the president himself, from his personal attorney, from his chief of staff, from people right there in the oval office pressuring some of these local officials who have their own futures and want to have their own futures in republican politics, they did have to stand up to people within their party and people who were very powerful during this incredibly tense high-pressure campaign that was taking place the day after the election and they had to stand up. they had to essentially stand on the side of what was right, which was that the election was free and fair, and there was no widespread fraud and there was no basis for them to do what the
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president was asking, even if they wanted to. there was really no evidence. there was no sense that they would be able to overturn the election. so, part of it, i'm sure, had to do with their moral compass and part of it is just it would have been a very hard crime to engender and create because there was no evidence. there was no paper trail. and then the president and his legal team did not really have a very strong theory of the case for why the election should be overturned other than sort of just saying, we can resolve this, and having these back room kinds of insinuations. they didn't really have the goods to be able to make anything happen in terms of overturning the election so a lot of these officials just had to throw up their hands and stop answering the phone and decide they were going to quietly certify these results and try to move on. >> elie, let's turn to this rally that happened on saturday in sarasota. the former president, he went after the manhattan d.a.'s office for the indictment of the trump organization and the cfo, allen weisselberg, this 15-year tax scheme. here's what -- it's remarkable
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what he says, but here's what former president trump said. >> they go after good, hardworking people for not paying taxes on a company car. company car. you didn't pay tax on the car. or a company apartment. you used an apartment because you need an apartment because you have to travel too far where your house is. you didn't pay tax. or education for your i don't even know. do you have to -- does anybody know the answer to that stuff? >> you'd expect the cfo would know the answer to that stuff. but i mean, it sounds just like an acknowledgment to me. what are you hearing? >> it's a defense lawyer's nightmare to have your client standing up behind a podium and yelling things like that into a microphone. this is why defense lawyers tell their clients, shut up. and donald trump, he's not the shutting up type. what he's doing here is he's acknowledging some of the key facts in the indictment. he's acknowledging they paid these benefits. he's acknowledging they did not
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pay taxes on it. now, donald trump's trying to stake out his defense here, it's the i knew nothing defense. he says, who knows? i don't know. who could understand these tax codes? this wasn't on me. prosec prosecutors do have to prove that he knew it but clearly this is going to be his defense. now, by the way, it stands in contrast to president trump's boasts at a prior time that, i'm paraphrasing here, but nobody knows more about tax law than me. nobody knows more about the taxes and i'm the one who can fix it so if i'm a prosecutor and i end up prosecuting donald trump, we are very, very far from that, but if it ends up happening, you're going to use all these statements against him in court. >> thank you for that reminder, elie. i forgot about that one. toluse, politically speaking, in terms of what, the argument that president trump was making, i know it never hurts a politician to go after the irs. that's the long standing boogeyman that everybody in that rally could applaud, making the irs somehow the enemy. but saying, you know, everybody can relate to having a corporate car, everybody can relate to
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having your grandchildren's fancy private education paid for. i mean, is this a winning political note for him to strike? >> definitely doesn't help him connect with the everyday man, but i think he thinks he's pretty secure in that, in that he continues to get thousands of americans to come out and attend rallies on his behalf, and he has not been shy about his wealth. he has been willing to boast about his wealth and he's tried to tell a lot of his voters that he was fighting for them, and that message has continued to keep a lot of people that support him on his side. so, i think he feels safe in, you know, boasting about the private school education and the apartments in manhattan and all of the various fringe benefits that his cfo was getting, even though the average american cannot relate to that. but he has stuck with this strategy from the beginning of his presidential campaign, where he first came down the goldenes clar escalators and talked about the great businesses he built. i do think this makes it more likely that he will think about
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running again or talk about running again so that he can say, the only reason i'm being attacked legally and my taxes are being scrutinized is because i want to run for prepondsident they want to keep me out of office. that's the message i see him going on in these various rallies, and it seems like the political strategy he's going to take. >> all right. toluse, elie, thank you both. coming up, the u.s. is racing to find a safe haven for afghan translators as u.s. troops leave afghanistan. we'll talk with a man who has spent the better part of a decade in the region doing something similar next.
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understandably, the pandemic has been front and center in the biden presidency, but afghanistan could become his lasting legacy. we're learning that the biden administration still has not determined exactly how long it's going to go after terrorists in the country once all u.s. troops have left. they're expected to be out within weeks, and there are fears al qaeda could re-establish a foothold. >> afghans are fleeing from rural areas to major cities as the taliban gains more ground against the afghan military. the taliban claims they've seized control of 150 districts across afghanistan since just may. the top u.s. general overseeing the withdrawal of those troops warns the u.s. should be worried.
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>> we should be concerned. the loss of terrain and the rapidity of that loss of terrain has to be concerning. one, because it's a war as physical, but it's also got a psychological or moral component to it. and hope actually matters, and morale actually matters. >> cnn is at bagram air base, which is now empty of u.s. troops. >> reporter: we are here at bagram air base. this is the first time we've been given access to this facility since u.s. and nato forces departed on friday, and what is wrapping up behind me is a high level meeting of the national security council delegation sent by ashrafgani to assess what the americans actually left here at bagram air base and how the afghans can use it moving forward. we were taken to the airfield, the runway, which is two miles
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long. this was the heart of activity at the height of this war where fighter jets, cargo planes, and surveillance aircraft would depart and land constantly. it is now absolutely deserted. there are air hangars in the background that have been locked. the afghans still don't have access to them. and then around here, you can see it's like a car yard. there are hundreds of cars, suvs, pickup trucks that have been left by the americans for the afghans. it comes at a time where the security situation in this country is deteriorating rapidly. we know that the taliban are -- have taken more than 150 districts just in the past two months. the vice president of afghanistan said that there are tens of thousands of people fleeing the countryside because of the fighting coming to the cities, and that was backed up by the united nations, which said more than 56,000 people
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have had to flee four provinces in the northeast, which is where fighting is extremely aggressive. >> anna coren, thank you for being on the ground for us. >> the other question is what to do with and for the thousands of afghans who helped the u.s. over the last two decades. let's bring in kirk wallace johnson, he was in iraq as a coordinator for the reconstruction of fallujah and then spent years working to help iraqis who helped the u.s. to safety. the organization he founded, the list project, helped get nearly 2,500 iraqis here to the u.s. where they are now citizens. kirk, thanks for being with us. let's start here with just who are these estimated 18,000, that's from the state department, people, the fixers, the drivers, the translators, and how crucial they were to the u.s. effort. >> yeah, you know, we sent a
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hundred plus thousand troops to iraq and afghanistan and the overwhelming majority of them did not speak arabic or pashtu so we needed to hire locals to help us, and they weren't just serving as interpreters. they served alongside u.s. diplomats and aid workers and soldiers as engineeris, as helping us rebuild schools, and healthcare clinics and things like that. in iraq, they brought us our food. they interpreted and translated intel that was discovered in caches that would help our soldiers and marines know where there were potential terrorist cells operating. i mean, every single thing that we did in this war, in both iraq and afghanistan, we were heavily dependent on these iraqis and afghans who are risking their lives to help us. >> yeah. and i have read estimates that range from 50,000 to 70,000 when
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you consider their families as well, that they would, of course, want to take with them. we're just a few weeks out from the deadline that the president set. from admiral kirby at the pentagon that it could end at the end of august, the withdrawal. can this happen in that time frame, and how does it happen? >> well, you know, i couldn't help but remember something. when you showed that map just in the run-up to this of the districts that the taliban has taken over, i remember more than five years ago being in d.c. and talking with a close friend of mine who was in a senior capacity working for the u.s. government at that point, and he said, back then even, that they had a map just like what you have got on the screen there that they could predict which districts were going to fall first the minute we pulled troops out. so, no one should be surprised that the taliban is regaining land, and no one should be surprised that the interpreters working for us are going to be
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in their sights. we've had years and years to plan for this. congress has again and again articulated its intent in bipartisan terms that we need to help these people. and all along the way, it has been that intent, that will of the people has been sort of throttled by bureaucratic ineptitude. so, when you ask, you know, we've got a few weeks left. where's the plan? where is the president on this? we've heard some nice things, some nice reassuring things, but we don't have a lot of time now to wait for the state department to drop a plan or department of homeland security. we know what we need to do here. congress has asked us to do it by allocating tens of thousands of visas for these afghans who have helped us. those visas have not been allocated because of that ineptitude within the bureaucracies. and the thing that is -- if i could -- the only thing that a decade of pushing this has impressed upon me is that when the president of the united
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states takes ownership of this particular issue, and we have never had a war that has not been marked by this question, what do you do for those who stepped forward and helped you? when the president leads and says, we have to do this, all of that bureaucracy somehow melts away, and we do the right, moral, and strategic thing, and we get these people out. >> so you set this exclusively on the desk of the president. >> yes. >> not the state department. it's biden's issue, exclusively, you think? >> no, we don't ask a 30-year-old bureaucrat at state or homeland security to make these kinds of moral and strategic visions -- decisions, and when we do, guess what happens? they don't do it. and no president -- i need to be clear here -- no president is going to get re-elected by helping refugees. this is squarely a question of how you want the united states of america to be seen in the world, and in that region as well. unless we're done fighting wars forever, i don't know who would come forward to help us in future wars when this is how we
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repay that service. if you look -- i mean, at the fall of saigon, americans weren't clamoring to open our doors to vietnamese, but president ford looked at the american people and he said, we have to help these people. to do less would add moral shame to humiliation, and in a few months, our military air lifted 130,000 vietnamese out. they used guam. they kept the american public safe while the security screening was happening and we did the right thing eventually. this should -- >> and we know that this administration is also considering sending some of these afghan citizens to -- afghans to kazakhstan, usa beck stan as well. we've got to wrap it here, kirk wallace johnson. thank you, though, for the insight. again, the list project is your organization. done some great work there in iraq. kirk, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> yep. alisyn? okay, victor, we're also hearing from bill cosby again after his release from prison.
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now to an update on bill co cosby. first his former co-star phylicia rashad. >> her tweet praising cosby's relief could affect her new job as the dean of howard university college of fine arts.
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cosby wrote, howard university, you must support one's freedom of speech. this mainstream media are the insurrectionists that storm the capitol. those same are trying to demolish the constitution of these united states of america on this independence day. no technicality. it's a violation of one's rights and we the people stand in support of ms. rashad. i don't know what half that meant but he's not going away here. >> no. there's so much to unpack in that one statement. you almost don't know where to begin. i think i'll begin at the beginning where he says howard university must support her freedom of speech. i think what people get confused is that she has the freedom to say whatever she wants, freedom
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of consequences is another thing. she's an employee of howard university. sometimes if you say something that the university does not support and do not agree with then you face consequences. you face disciplinary action. you face all of those things. that is the position that she's found herself in right now. now, going to his, you know, the media are the insurrectionists that storm the capitol, i don't think that needs to be addressed because it's just ridiculous. i do think also that he makes the statement at the end we the people stand with her. if he's going to make a statement then address it through bill cosby's eyes and say bill cosby stands with her. she showed she stood with him in the position he took, so he can do that. to lump every one in to make this vailed swipe at the media is, yeah.
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>> i hear you. what can you say about it? it's loony tunes. obviously, he was getting lots of misinformation in prison and falling for it. what it does say, possibly, he doesn't plan to lie low now that he's out of prison. does he plan to be more public? >> you know, listen, if you think back, bill cosby has never been one to not state his opinion about things. he's never been one to not speak about issues that he thinks are important. he's done that. sometimes they were controversial coming up. sometimes they weren't. i don't think that will change just because he spent time in prison. that's who he is. i think that's what we should expect going forward. >> full disclosure. i am a howard university alumnus. there's a lot of division about
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what should happen next as it related to dean rashad. in the entertainment community, are we seeing a division? are we seeing people come out, not with statements like we saw from cosby, to support her? >> not really to be perfectly honest. what we have seen across all of the spectrum in the entertain m industry is a rebuke of what bill cosby was convicted of, rebuke of the over turning of his sentence even though it was not said he did not do this. the courts did not say you were innocent. the court said it was a technicality so they over turned the conviction. what you have seen on the whole, there may be a couple of outliers but what you have seen a a full throated rebuke of this entire situation. >> yeah. it felt as if she missed the four years of the metoo
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movement. her tweet in support of her friend was just so tone deaf that we'll see. she says she's now going to do some active listening and take sensitivity training on the campus. it's interesting to hear that the campus is divided. >> she's never waivered from her support of him. she didn't speak about it a lot. there were other people who did, other members of the cosby show also supported him. there are people in his life and in his entertainment industry life that did support him. we just never heard it from her like this until this moment. i do think he has supporters. i think they may be few and far in between. i do think this is very interesting how this has played out. victor you spoke about fact it's very divided on howard's campus. someone the other day was saying this has played out really among racial lines. i tend to disagree with that a
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bit. i think i've seen the response from black women much more in line with what we have seen generally. it is interesting how wp the comment of dean rashad. >> we'll see what happens next. thanks so much for being with us. >> sure. all right, some breaking news from surfside, florida. crews pull three more bodies from the rubble and now a tropical storm is on the way. we have an update. i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger.
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