tv State of the Union with Jake Tapper and Dana Bash CNN July 4, 2021 9:00am-10:00am PDT
i will speak to the white house 's jeffrey zients and asa hutchinson next. congress is set to investigate the attack on the capitol. >> we have an obligation to have a thorough investigation. >> where will they focus and who will testify? house majority whip jim clyburn joins me ahead. women in congress, a record number is surging. two veteran lawmakers on how they're working to change the lives of millions of american families. >> it makes all the difference in the world. >> hello. i am dana bash in washington where the state of our union is more than ready to celebrate this independence day. instead of worrying about red coats, this time we can thank those in white coats for beach days and barbecues who make it
feel like normal today. about two-thirds of adults in the u.s. have at least one shot of the covid-19 vaccine. health experts say people can celebrate the 4th of july of. getting 70% of adults vaccinated by today. with the highly contagious delta variant accounting for a quarter of all new cases, there's major concern for low vaccination areas like communities across the midwest and the south full of people who have no plans to get the vaccine. dr. anthony fauci is warning that the vaccine divide is creating two americas amid persistent concerns about what a new variant could mean and whether that could start circulating next. joining me now is white house covid-19 response coordinator jeffrey zients. thank you for joining me this morning. happy 4th. >> thank you. >> the united states has made a lot of pro zbres. back in may president biden set a goal for 70% of american
adults to get at least one shot in the arm by today. the u.s. is at 67% which means almost 8 million people short of the president's goal. so why did you fall short? >> well, we made a lot of progress. i think we're much further along than anyone would have anticipated with two of three americans with at least one shot. importantly seniors, people over 65, 90% have at least one shot. they were the most vulnerable to covid. sadly, 80% of deaths have been of people over 65 from covid. really important we made all this progress plus the 90% of seniors with at least one shot. in terms of 70%, 27-year-olds and up, 70% have at least one shot. if you are vaccinated, you are
protected. if you are not vaccinated, you are not protected. we'll double dowto vaccinate mi through august and so people get protection and enjoy life returning to normal. if you're not vaccinated, get vaccinated. >> let's talk about that and perhaps some of the reasons why you made progress. a new kaiser poll showed 43% of unvaccinated americans say a major reason is they just don't want to. as simple as that. some americans also have concerns about safety and efficacy. what is your message and what are you going to do to make sure that those americans who are saying i just don't feel like it will be -- will get the vaccine? >> the good news is, if you look at those polls across the last several months, more and more people decide they, too, want to
get vaccinated, so the trend is positive. that said, we need to continue to meet people where they are, make it easier and easier to get the vaccine. it's free. it's convenient. it's safe. it's effective. we need to answer people's questions. people still have questions about the vaccine and the safety and the efficacy. we need to answer those questions. the most trusted messenger is the local doctor and local healthcare provider so increasingly we have vaccines in doctor's officers and healthcare clinics so people can get their questions answered and roll up their sleeves and get a shot. >> let's talk ability the highly contagious delta variant. it's now spread to every state. the number of cases is climbing yet again. the cdc says about 1,000 counties across the u.s. have vks nation rates of less than 30%. how worried are you about the spike in areas with this delta variant and others with low vaccination rates?
>> we are concerned. where we are seeing increases in cases is in those areas, generally, that have lower vaccination rates. so we need to make sure we're doing all we can to vaccinate all americans, and particularly focused on areas that have lower vaccination rates. we are also helping state and local officials, partnering with governors with surge response teams that will not only help to increase vaccination rates, but also providing increase testing therapeutics and other tools to make sure we are stopping the spread and preventing any increases at the local level. you're right, vulnerability is where vaccination rates are lower. that's another reason to not only get yourself vaccinated for your own safety, but also for your family and your community.
>> dr. fauci said the administration made, quote, broad recommendations that vaccinated individuals don't need masks, but local governments have a, quote, degree of flexibility. my question for you is, local officials are looking to the federal government for guidance. should high-spread, low-vaccinated areas consider imposing mask mandates? >> as we have said, local governments will make their own decisions based on their vaccination rates and levels. >> they make their own recdatia recommendations, but what's your recommendation? >> the cdc has been very clear that if you are vaccinated, you have a very high protection. if you are not vaccinated, you need to get vaccinated and in the meantime wear a mask. >> and i know you are letting local governments do their own thing, but would it be the preference of the biden administration that they change
the mask mandates back? >> the preference is people get vaccinated so they are protected and if you are not vaccinated, you do have to mask up and to protect yourself and others. >> right. okay. let's talk about children. pfizer says it expects to apply for emergency use authorization in september to vaccinate children as young as 2 years old. do you think shots can go in toddlers' arms in two or three months? >> i am certainly not going to get ahead of the fda. they'll make the decision on timing. i can tell you we will be ready with supply so that once or if the fda authorizes the vaccine for children, we are ready to have the supply and to help state and local officials and
pediatricians apply those, give shots in arms. >> the u.s. administered its first coronavirus vaccine back in december. we don't know when immunity will start to wear off. is the biden administration making plans to give booster shots, and what do we know about when americans will need them? >> well, so we are going to look to the doctors and the scientists, dr. fauci, cdc and fda and others determining based on clinical trials based on the science, when booster shots are needed. at the same time we are e the s and distribution if it's determined that booster shots are, in fact, needed. >> some experts are saying the continued spread of coronavirus in pockets of the u.s. and around the world raises the
possibility of a new variant that might be resistance of the vaccine we have. how worried are you of that happening? >> well, we worry about every possibility. we plan for every scenario. this disease has proven to be unpredictable but what all the scientists and doctors tell us the more people get vaccinated, the safer we are today and against any possible future variants. if you are unvaccinated, get vaccinated as soon as possible. >> i hear you are making this plea, which i totally understand. with the reality that one in three american adults still haven't gotten the vaccine, and reselling polling suggests that those who want it have it. do you think it is possible that the u.s. is reaching a plateau when it comes to vaccination? >> i do not believe that. as i said earlier, confidence in the vaccine, those who want to get the vaccine, that's grown steadily across time as people have had friends and family and neighbors get vaccinated and they see the safety and effectiveness in their loved
ones and their friends and family. i do believe confidence will continue to grow, but we need to make it easier to get the vaccines and we have vaccines in doctor's offices and clinics. that's a great place for people to go to ask any outstanding questions and roll up their sleeve and get their first shot. we have been vaccinating millions of people each week for the past few weeks. we'll continue to do that through the summer months. >> before i let you go. i want to ask you what's going on in the white house, there is a fourth of july party, there is a thousand guests expected and including first responders and service members, jen psaki says if guests are not vaccinated, then they have to wear a mask. if your goal is to send the message that the vaccine is safe and effective, why not just
supply vaccination for them? >> we are not mandating vaccines at the white house tonight. there are rigorous testing and screening protocols of those who are vaccinated do not need to wear masks. those who are not vaccinated do need to wear a mask. we are there to celebrate frontline workers and our military. these are people who understand the importance of safety and doing the right thing. i think most of these folks are vaccinated. we encourage all americans to get vaccinated as soon as possible. >> why not mandate it though? >> look, at the end of the day, the reasons forgetting vaccinated are compelling. we'll make it easy, we'll answer people's questions. at the end of the day it's an individual choice. we hope all individuals make the
right choice here and get vaccinated as soon as is possile. >> jeffrey zients, thank you for joining me ch appreciate it. have a wonderful fourth. >> thank you. some states are missing the white house vaccination goal by as much as 30%. the governor of arkansas on whether his state is facing a potential third surge. that's next. plus, the house select committee on the january 6th attack is taking shape. who needs to testify about what happened that day? house majority whip jim clyburn joins me ahead. ed to consolidate my credit card debt. i needed just one simple way to pay it all off. it was an easy decision to apply with sofi loans, just based on the interest rate and how much i would be saving. there was only one that stood out and one that actually made sense and that was sofi personal loans. it felt so freeing. i felt like i was finally out of this neverending trap of interest and payments and debt. ♪
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welcome back to "state of the union." dr. anthony fauci warned the u.s. is splitting to two americas. other places where widespread refusal to get the vaccine is leaving people more vulnerable to the virus particularly now that the highly contagious delta variant accounts for a quarter of now cases. joining me is the governor of the state where vaccinations are lagging, asa hutchinson of arkansas. thank you so much for joining me
this morning, happy fourth of july. only 42% of your state have gotten one dose of the vaccine. i want you to listen to dr. cam patterson, the head of the university of arkansas for medical sciences. >> we are now going in the wrong direction yet again. we have to be concerned that this would be a trend that could continue and if it does, it would appear that we may be in the beginning of a third surge of covid-19 here in the state of arkansas. >> do you agree that arkansas is headed for a third surge of covid-19? and are you open to reimposing restrictions like mask mandates? >> well, the solution is the vaccinations. dr. patterson was with me in my weekly news conference and emphasizing the points he made to encourage people to get vaccinated. in fact, we have done very well in our senior citizens, 65-plus
getting vaccinated. our nursing home residents and staff high wrat of vaccinations. it is our younger adults is getting hit with the delta variant which is more contagious and has more severe consequences. that's the concern and that's what's causing the increase in hospitalizations. what we have seen is, as the delta variant gets out more, you're seeing vaccination rates increase. we want to accelerate that. it is a great concern. today we are celebrating independence day and we are having a pops on the river concert and celebrating this great day. we are also having vaccinations there that's available for everyone. that's the kind of thing we are focusing on, making it accessible and making sure everyone knows the need, we are at a race against this delta variant which spreads very fast, every state is going to be faced
with this so we got to get this vaccination out. >> if you don't win that race that you are talking about to vaccinate more people, will a third surge happen? >> we'll wait and see. i don't think so. i think our vaccination rate is sufficient that we can avoid the surge in hospitalizations that put us in jeopardy. that remains to be seen and we are in a race and if we stop right here and didn't get greater percentage of our population, we'll have trouble in the next school year and over the winter. we want to get ahead of that curve and working hard to do that. >> governor, why are you having so much trouble getting people vaccinated? why is it so hard? >> in a rural state, in a conservative state, there is hesitancy and you are trying to overcome that. we got early vaccinations out because people were anxious and vulnerable population.
our cases went down dramatically and that slowed the vaccination rate and the urgency diminished now it is picking up again. one of the things we are concentrating on is working with employees. they're one of the keys. as jeff zeints says the medical professionals are the most trusted. the employers have an opportunity to make it accessible for them and give them paid time off, employees can go get vaccinated and encouraged them with the right level of education and information. those are the kinds of strategies that i think will make a difference in the coming days. >> let's turn to the latest here in washington on infrastructure negotiations. a group of bipartisan senators and president biden agreed to a $1.2 trillion deal with no tax increases. the american society civil engineer says almost one or three roads in your state of arkansas is in poor condition.
would you like to see more republicans support this compromise? >> the bipartisan infrastructure bill is something that i support because it is limited to the traditional infrastructure of roads and bridges which has such a great need. it includes broadband and water projects, the best news is is paid for. i like that bipartisan approach. i hope that does pass, it is an amount that we can afford. i don't want that tied to passing the second level of human infrastructure because states like arkansas, other states, we have more money than we can spend right now in terms of some of the federal money that's flowed our direction. this bipartisan hard core infrastructure bill is important for our country. i do hope it can pass, but i hope the other one can be defeated as well because that costs us too much, it's too
great a burden for the next generation. >> you announced you're sending up to 40 members of the arkansas national guard down to the texas border. the former head of the customs and border protection says moves like this are, quote, political theater. you're a former undersecretary of the department of homeland security. is this more of a political gesture than helping the situation? >> no, i disagree with that completely. what they given to us on the border is a political nightmare. and so it deserves a cooperative response between the states and the federal government. whenever i was under secretary of border security during the bush administration, we had joint efforts with our state's counterparts because we needed those resources. today that partnership is even to a greater extend. when multiple states send additional resources down to support texas and arizona along the border, we hope that has a beneficial impact.
it ought to be coordinated with the federal government. if that's not happening, then that's a shame but we are going to try to do our part because what's happening right now is a disaster and human tragedy of what we are seeing with the change in policy coming out of the biden administration. >> i want the ask about what your colleague in south dakota is doing, she's raising some eye brows. a billionaire donor is funding her deployment instead of taxpayers. would you use political donation to send your troops to the border? >> not for this purpose. this is as state function. it is something that we respond to other states in terms of disaster. i would consider it a bad precedent to have it privately funded. now, whenever you are looking at supplemental pay for some state employees, we use private foundation money, it is not
across the board rule against that. but in this instance, i think it is very appropriate that we have ours paid for by the usual state budget. >> before i let you go, you said on this very show this year it was too soon to start thinking about a possible 2024 presidential run. your term is going to be up soon as arkansas governor. former president trump said this week that he made up his mind about running. what about you? have you ruled it out? >> i am concentrating on the president, which is getting through this pandemic and supporting arkansas through my term. i want to be engaged for a national debate. it is important for the direction of our party and our country. that's my immediate concentration. we'll see what the future holds. >> definitely did not rule it out. i want to say that for the record.
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the house select committee on the january 6th attacks are getting started. they're hiring staff. while they wait to see what other five republicans might, emphasize might, join them. they are signaling they may need to hear from associates of the formal president, president trump that is, about what happened that day. joining me to discuss that is house majority whip jim clyburn. thank you so much for joining me this morning. happy fourth. the new chair of the january 6th committee, bennie thompson, didn't rule it out. do you think it requires hearing from him? >> first of all, happy independence day. thank you for having me. bennie thompson was head of homeland security for a long, long time.
benny has been calling for, look into domestic terrorism for a long time. a lot of people may have missed that. benny has been saying things and calling attention to it. i think he knows that we know what happened and where it happened. what we don't know is why it happened and who made it happen. he intends to get to those last two questions and do so in a bipartisan way. >> what do you think? do you think former president trump should testify? >> if it comes to that, wherever the facts lead. they may be able to get what they want and need without him testifying. i would not want to see a former president testify in such a
situation as this. but if that's what it takes to get to the bottom of this -- this is more than any one person. this is this country. we are celebrating today independence. since 1776 this country has been in pursuit of perfection, and we need to keep that pursuit going. we can't stop it. this is a great time for us to rededicate ourselves to what we all have been looking forward to for a long time, liberty and justice for all. >> on that note, let's talk about the supreme court's ruling this week. they upheld two arizona election restrictions making your job in congress to pass new election laws even more important. one of the sticking points is whether to require an id to vote. you tweeted that voter id is a form of voter suppression.
now a key senate democratic joe manchin has a plan that requires an id or utility bill. some democrats like stacey abrams say they could get on board with that. could you? >> absolutely. dana, when i first registered to vote as a 21-year-old. back then 18-year-olds could not vote, i got a voter registration card. i always present that voter registration card when i go to vote. that is voter id. we are always for voter id. we are never for disproportionate voter id. when you tell me you've got to have a photo id and a photo for a student identity card is good, but a hunting license is not good, that's where the problem is. i don't know a single person who is against iding themselves
when they go to vote. we don't want you to tell me my id is not goo. >> you are drawing the line, just to be clear, at a photo id? >> no, i am drawing a line in an equity. you want to keep up and you want to vote and they'll have a photo id that you ought to be able to vote with whatever id you have, one being your voter registration card. >> got it. let's talk about how and if you can get this done. i know you're pushing senate democrats to sidestep the filibuster and pass voting rights legislation. i want you to listen to what joe manchin had to say about that. >> i'm hoping -- we've had ten people working with us on many different things. we have a good group of moderate republicans that want to work with us, are willing to work
with us, and we come up with a bipartisan infrastructure bill which we all worked with the president and took to him. so i know it can be done. >> he's saying you don't need to get rid of the filibuster because bipartisanship is possible on voting rights. what's your response? >> my response is very simple. we need to get rid of filibuster for constitutional issues, just like we've done for budget issues. if you want to argue about how high a wall is going to be, whether or not you ought to build a wall, those are issues that are political, and let's have the filibuster, so long as it's extended debate. we ought not be filibustering things like people's voting rights. what we've done with the modern day filibuster, we'll allow a senator to sit downtown in a spa somewhere, pick up the phone and call in the filibuster and effectively stop voting rights and other constitutional rights
while sitting in a spa somewhere. won't even come to the floor to argue his or her position. that's what's wrong with this filibuster. senator manchin, i like him a whole lot. we have talked about this. i will say it once again, senator, i'm not against the filibuster. you ought not to be -- nobody should filibuster anybody's constitutional right. we've done it for the budget on the reconciliation. reconciliation is a much better word to apply to constitutional issues than it is to the budget. >> let's turn to negotiations on police reform. multiple deadlines on months and months of talks. congresswoman karen bass, one of the lead noters, says part of the reason is infighting among police organizations. are the negotiations for police reform in trouble, sir? >> well, we are at a point of what i would like to say is
decision making. day before yesterday i spoke with senator tim scott. on the same day i spoke with my local sheriff here in richm left-hand county. they both told me this is not dead yet. i'm working with them. i'm working with karen bass. i'm working with cory booker. i think we're going to get there. we've still got some time between the july break and the beginning of august to get this done. i really feel we can do it. i know that it is teetering on some division between the sheriffs and, say, the police chiefs. but we can reconcile those. i'm holding out hope we get this done because it needs to be done. >> mr. clyburn, you took a pretty unusual step this week, wading into a heated democratic
congressional primary in ohio, endorsing a more moderate candidate for congress, chantal brown over progressive front-runner nina turner. you also spoke out
against the progressive wing of your party saying slogans like defund the police are, quote, cutting the throats of the party. was your endorsement trying to make a statement about where the party should head? >> well, chantal brown i know, i've known her for a long time. she asked me -- i went out to ohio for congresswoman joyce beatty's husband's home going ceremony. she asked me if i would support her candidacy. i thought about it a while. i like her a whole lot. she was chair -- the first african-american woman to chair her county party out there.
she's demonstrated she knows how to work with people, and i think she would make a great congressperson. i served with lou stokes,
and there are people that i have a history of working with, because for some strange reason i've always been pretty close to ohio politics. i think chantal brown would be an outstanding member of the united states congress. i am supporting her and looking for ward to serving with her. >> majority whip jim clyburn, thank you so much for joining me. appreciate it. have a wonderful fourth? >> thank you very much for having me. >> thank you. a record number of women are serving in the 117th congress. millions of families are about to benefit from that in a big way. that's next.
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women were hit especially hard during this pandemic, whether it was losing their jobs or having to supervise remote learning. now help is coming from washington. thanks largely to a growing number of women in congress including a veteran duo, in office for decades, who paved the way for younger progressives. here is the latest in my series "bad ass women of washington." >> i first introduced the expansion of the child tax credit in 2003. >> -- to provide relief to the families who need it the most. >> every year just introducing it, reintroducing it. >> i'm talking about extending
the tax child credit. >> trying to get it through a coalition. >> this year when joe biden became president and put together a large covid relief package, congresswoman rosa delauro's patience ran out. >> i said enough. you've been saying we needed to have an election, we need the president. this is it. it's now. it's now our watch. let's go. let's get this done. in all fairness, they came back within 24, 48 hours and they said it's in. >> in through the end of the year. on july 15th, some 39 million households with more than 65 million children, according to the administration, will start receiving government aid that will add up to at least $3,000. delauro wants to make this permanent. >> it really is a lifeline to middle class families as well as lifting over 50% of kids out of poverty. >> senate health and education chair patty murray and delauro, house appropriations chair, now hold the gavels of two of the
most powerful committees in congress and are joining forces on issues like paid sick days and family leave. >> if you're a woman in the workforce and you say i might not have child care or my kid is sick, they have leukemia, all real things, my boss may not promote me because they won't think i can do the job. so women hold this stress right here, and now we're talking about it on a national stage. >> fighting for families in dire straits come from their own child hoods. >> i went home with my folks on a friday night. our furniture was out on the street. we had been evicted. it's not that my parents weren't struggling, trying to make ends meet, et cetera. they just couldn't do it. it's the personal experiences that you have in your life. >> i didn't know that about you. so amazing. and for me, seven kids in my family. i was a teenager, and my dad was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. all of a sudden it's like, oh, my god, the world.
fortunately at the time we had some things like pell grants and student loans and food stamps which we had to live on. rosa, i'm so glad to hear that about you. we come with that passion. it happened to me, but i don't want it to happen to anybody else. >> their determination is palpable as longtime priorities are front and center for the president and their party. >> it's no that many years ago they thought this was so far on the fringe, that you'd do paid family and medical leave, that you would bring this up. like crazy aunts in the attic. >> is what they they think you are? >> hey, on some of these issues, where is she, what is she doing? now they are center, center of the public discourse. they are the agenda. so that's right. you see that urgency because we're that close. >> i am not going to listen to anybody say to us, well, you know, it's a really good issue, let's hold it and run on it in the next campaign.
i have heard that -- >> how many times have people said that to you? >> more than you will ever know. >> these veteran progressive women paid the way for the younger social media savvy generation. >> do you try to mentor them? >> yes. i think some of the things they've seen recently -- for instance, 18 years since 2003 and that child tax credit. somebody says, wow, 18 years it took to get there. just bringing people in so they understand what the institution is about and how it works. >> we want them to be successful. i think experience in knowing which levers to push at what time and when to make an issue an issue is important, but you have to have both. you have to have both experience, passion and that new, i'm here, i've got to get something done. >> murray famously won her seat in 1992 as a mom in tennis shoes, the first female elected
to the senate from washington state. >> how much do you think the fact these are front burner issues now is because there are more final maul lawmakers? >> it makes all the difference in the world. i was the only woman in a room so many times. i could bring these issues up and no one would echo them. >> it's the same in the house. what's critically important is the agenda changes? >> who changed the agenda? >> it's not so much our male colleagues are in great opposition. >> we allowed them to talk about it. they didn't talk about it before because they didn't think it was manly or whatever. >> or it didn't occur. >> it didn't occur. we made it okay for them to talk about. >> this is still an institution where women have to work much harder. >> even with a female speaker and powerful female appropriations chairman? >> women have to work harder.
you don't get that many bites at the apple. when you get up to speak, you have to know what you're talking about. >> that's so true. have you ever heard men speak to the chamber of commerce and talk about the weather? >> they can say anything and it's okay. >> it turns out sometimes life experience that helps get things done in congress comes from unlikely sources. >> you have had to prove the utmost patience. >> you bite the inside of your mouth a lot. >> i taught preschool. i learned patience a long time ago. >> that's why you're so successful in congress. >> i was a substitute schoolteacher. >> it comes from there. and up next, some big washington fireworks. we're going to tell you more about it. don't go away.
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that's 1958. over the years, ben's became a gathering place for this community. we've been through all kinds of changes, but this pandemic has been the most difficult of all the challenges i've experienced. [voice of male] the chili bowl really has never closed in our history. people come here to see the photos on the wall, to meet the family. you couldn't have that experience anymore. so, we had to pivot. there's no magic formula, but it's been really helpful to keep people updated on googl. we wouldn't be here without our wonderful customers. we do get so much support and so much love from them. [voice of female] i don't have to come every day at my age, but i come because i love people. [female voices soulfully singing “come on in”] that's why i come to ben's.
welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria, and this is a special edition. "state of america." today on the show, a report card on america. as the country celebrates its 245th birthday, we take stock of how the nation is fairing. we'll start with the state of democracy. president biden pledges to do big things. >> this is a generational investment to modernize our infrastructure. >> congress remains deeply