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it's the fourth of july and the white house is celebrating. >> our economy is on the move. and we have covid-19 on the run. >> but is america really back on track? after 20 years, u.s. troops leave areas with dire warnings. >> afghanistan is likely going to end up in a civil war. spokely pelosi announces her january 6th committee picks and
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causes a gop fire storm. >> our oath to the constitution, our duty has to come above any partisanship. and a supreme court ruling deals a blow to voting rights. "inside politics sunday" the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters, now. welcome to "inside politics sunday". thank you for joining us on this fourth of july weekend. the president and jill biden has been spending the holiday at the white house and they invited 1,000 military personnel and essential workers to a bash on the south lawn. the white house is hoping that all americans are celebrating finally emerging from more than a year of pandemic era restrictions. and on friday, the monthly jobs report gave biden fresh reason to take a victory lap. the last time the economy grew at this rate was in 1984.
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and ronald reagan was telling us it's morning in america. well, it's getting close to afternoon here. the sun is coming out. put simply, our economy sont move, and we have covid-19 on the run. the gop's congressional campaign arm is trying to make the case that president biden and the democrats are making your independence day bbq cost more. >> burgers, buns, propane, gas. this year your 4th of july is more expensive because democrats' harmful economic policies are making everyday goods cost more. >> joining me now with the reporting and insights, jeremy diamond, melanie zanona, and nancy cook. melanie, first of all, i think we should say on that gop ad, it's not quite what they're saying. this is from an economist, the
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former federal reserve economist who says that this year's inflation rates are likely to remain far higher than usual, but that's because the pandemic pushed inflation uncommonly low last year. there's also a boom in consumer spending due to pent up demand as the virus recedes, and the lingering effects of disruptions of global supply chains. she says it is not a structural change in the economy. it's just a few months and yet, republicans have been clear. on the record. they want to make this the midterm message, inflation, and they want to argue that the american people are worse off now, but is that really something that will work in time for 2022? putting aside the fact that it's not true? >> we'll have to say. there was an incredibly good jobs report on friday. democrats are trying to go out and sell their economic agenda to the american public, not just what they did with the stimulus bill but also the infrastructure plan they're trying to pass. any signs of a slowing recovery would have undermined their hand
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in the negotiations. but this is a good step forward, but there's still a long road. i think democrats have to be careful there. >> there's indications the american public, they're pretty happy with the way things are going. a recent npr poll found that 47% of americans say the country is going in the right track. that's about what it was in october of 2009. let's compare this to january 2021 which was prior to biden taking office. it was 20%. so clearly there's movement in the positive direction for biden. can he count on that? >> still questions here, though, as well. right? you know, the numbers were definitely something that the president is going to tout. but when it comest to the labor participation right here, the number of employees that are actively looking for jobs, that's going to be something to watch. something this administration is watching as well going forward.
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>> and also the black unemployment rate is still above 9%. so much of the biden economic message is that we are going to lift up all people. and so you can't just look at the averages there. the friday jobs report was great for them. the economy added 850,000 jobs. but there's still millions of people out of work. i think the biden administration is looking at the metrics of what is black unemployment. what does unemployment look like for women forced out of the labor market to care for children during the pandemic. they're looking at a number of factors, not just the most traditional. >> it hasn't always been an even recovery. at the same time, though, you heard biden talking about covid. and part of this 4th of july was supposed to be about emerging out of the pandemic, meeting some of the metrics that he wanted to meet in terms of vaccination rates. we're not going to get to the 70 % of partially vaccinated americans. and part of that is because of this partisan divide that we've started to see in the country. republicans states less likely
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to be vaccinated. democratic states more likely to be vaccinated. abc news washington post poll just this weekend finding that 29% of americans say they are not likely to get vaccinated. of that, 20% say they are definitely not going to get vaccinated. even if they make it to 70% at some point, it will just be potentially stuck right there at that number. >> yeah. and this has been the story of their efforts to get to 70% over the last several weeks is that you have a shrinking pool of people who are willing to get vaccinated and actually want to get vaccinated as soon as possible. that number in this foundation monthly survey has been -- you watch it go from 5% to 3% to 2%. and this is the challenge for the biden white house. ult ultimately, as much as there is some stuff in their control as far as vaccination, a lot of it isn't. and they have focussed on a localized strategy of quipping trusted mortgages in different
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communities with the message of vaccination being safe and effective. but ultimately, whether people decide to take it, that's not something that president biden can throw more money at or more resources. that's ultimately something that's going to have to be reflected in the culture of different communities. we are emerging increasingly with this two different americas and it's no more evident than today on july 4th. president biden is celebrating at the white house with thousands of people, or over 1,000 people, and people in other parts of the country where virus rates are fairly high. >> here's the counter message from the dnc. you know, i wonder if this is the right message or if this is maybe a little overly optimistic given where we are in the pandemic. >> the freedom to hug a grandchild, to see a baseball game in person. to come back together again. america. leading the world out of the global pandemic with honesty and
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compassion. america's journey continues through fireworks and parades. to build a better future. very soft focus ad there. will it work? >> i think what they're trying to do is argue that if you get vaccinated, you can do all of these things. and that's been their message much more than trying to scare people. they can say if you wear -- if you're vaccinated, you don't have to wear a mask in the grocery store. you can get together with families. that's been what they're trying to say. the trick they have to do is they need to convince people who are 18 to 27, that's really a key group that they're having trouble reaching. that will be their trick leading into the fall. >> and you saw the president focus on that group when retraveled to north carolina last week as well. speaking to folks and saying look, when you go door knocking in this grass roots campaign, akin to a campaign-like effort, as if it was a presidential campaign. when you're knocking on doors,
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tell the parents to also tell their children to get vaccinated as well. you see that focus on that group as well. >> and there is concern inside the white house about this delta variant. i mean, they aren't concerned about it as it relates to vaccinated americans. as you look at the pockets in the south, alabama, arkansas, tennessee, these vaccination rates are so incredibly low that the delta variant can take hold. and you can see the mini clusters that will emerge in the fall. that's something the white house is worried about. >> is that the right message to have the thousand person gathering on the south line at the white house given the picture on coronavirus is not 100% clear? >> i think it's not an easy call. it's not a sure win for the white house here, and it does risk projecting a kind of two americas vision that we were just talking about, but with them amplifying. >> biden doesn't want a george
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bush mission accomplished. he's eager for normalcy. it's a message americans want to hear. >> they want americans to move forward with their lives if they're vaccinated. >> and this is true throughout the pandemic. people are going to do what they feel the most comfortable doing. so symbols aside, i think americans are going to make the decisions for themselves. coming up next for us, president biden is the fourth and last commander in chief during the war in afghanistan. but he'd rather not talk about that this weekend. >> i'm not going to answer anymore -- a quick question on afghanistan. the fourth of july. i'm concerned you guys are asking me questions that i'll answer next weekend. this is the holiday weekend. there's great things happening. i'm going to celebrate it. thaty gives damaged hair the strength it needs. even with repeated combing hair treated with dove shows 97% less breakage. strong hair with new dove breakage remedy.
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this week marked a major smile stoen. all u.s. forces withdraw from an air base in zafghanistan. the commitment the end the time in afghanistan has become controversial. and according to aides privately, he is not wavering. >> it's a rational drawdown with our allies. there's nothing unusual about it. >> we were in that war for 20 years. i think they have the capacity to be able to sustain the government that the afghans are going to have to be able to do it themselves. >> fears of a taliban resurgence in afghanistan are rising as are concerns the country could quickly slip into civil war as the u.s. presence in the country
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shrinks. and joining us now or en liebermann. the white house is saying the president is committed to seeing this through. but there are some real -- and it seems escalating, right, security concerns about what is happening on the ground. should that give him pause? >> president joe biden's decision was knead. he took everybody's account into consideration. it's clear that for years now decades even since he was a senator and as vice president, he wasn't in favor of a massive troop presence. the mission was complete. osama bin laden has been dead for ten years. for him the mission is complete. military officials are also warning the taliban offensive is taking a number of districts, pushing back the afghan military. but for him, that's afghanistan's issue. the afghan military will deal with it and the u.s. issue is done for him.
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a new relationship. >> that being said, the security concerns include yes, the taliban launching 100 plus attacks every day against afghan forces. the aftghans who helped the united states as interpreters and other ways are being targeted for murder. the u.s. intelligence assessment is at the afghan government could fall to the taliban in six to 12 months. on top of that, we're hearing they're making contingency plans for evacuating u.s. personnel. these are real concerns that don't just relate to afghans but also the united states personnel who are going to be left there. >> it shows how resolute the president is in his decision here. really. i mean, multiple outlets reported it's from the gut. the white house is prepared for the bad optics to come in the months ahead. potential images of human rights violations. the taliban continuing to advance in different provinces. the violence has increased.
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also the logistics challenge as you noted of pulling out interpreters and translators who helped troops. special immigrant visas are the visas for those, and where do you put those folks as well between while their application is being processed. is it guam, somewhere closer? two afghanistan? these are the questions we have right now. >> and it says a lot when the president is asked about the concerns of a potential civil war in afghanistan. that his first response is to say we've been there for 20 years. and ultimately, that is what this decision comes down to for the president. we've been there for so long. he believes as oren said the objectives have been accomplished and he believes it's time to come out. the white house believes they have political cover. if you look at the polling, americans are overwhelmingly supportive of withdrawing from afghanistan. the question is does that change once you see images in afghanistan of chaos and government potentially
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crumbling? that's a big question. afghanistan has been far from the minds of americans for a long time, even with american troops there. without american troops, who is to say? >> yeah. i think it's clear americans are taking a step away from what's happening on the ground there. this is what an afghan fish told cnn about what could be coming for that country. >> how can you guarantee that afghanistan will not be a safe haven for terrorists in the future? >> i don't think that there is a guarantee. and also taliban have failed. they have promised they will delink with al qaeda. we don't have many signs of that. so that's the danger. so i mean, look, there's a lot of concern on the ground there. there's also a lot of concern on capitol hill. you have michael walt, a florida republican saying that of the fact that we are leaving the air
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base, it's the biggest symbol of our 20 years of blood and treasure that we've expended for all veterans that have served there. as our only base sandwich between china, russia and iran, it's a huge strategic asset. why are we giving it away? what's capitol hill going to say about all of this down the road? >> there was a debate in congress about repealing the war authorizations, the house repealed with 2002 aumf and the house will consider it this year. you're seeing critics of repealing the war authorizations already seizing on the sirpgs in the ground in afghanistan to say we need to slow down. we need to fully assess and study the situation, the implications of our moves. it's going to heat up the debate going forward. >> and oren, i mean, what is the strategic concern about that base, basically being left to the afghans at this point? >> that base was the heart of u.s. and nato military operations with the alliance
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military operations for decades. it became a miniature city. it was handed over to a few thousand afghan members of the military. what happens to it now? biden said that's somebody else's problem. for him the alternative to essentially getting out now was trying to stick around for ten, 20, 30 more years and trying to rid the country of the taliban, al qaeda, isis, and that wasn't something he wanted to do it. he's ready to accept the consequences. >> he also wants to pivot to china at the same time. but i mean, is that the natural consequence of leaving afghanistan? is it a real pivot to china? are we going to do that as a nation? >> you're seeing the white house start to -- i mean, you're seeing them speak about china and the growing competition both when it comes to an economic standpoint and the potential human rights vitals happening in china as well. you're seeing the focus there. >> yeah. coming up next for us, now that the supreme court's term is over, is it time for the most
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senior liberal justice to bow out?
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it wasn't just georgia. former president trump personally tried to reach out to arizona election officials following his narrow loss in november. according to the arizona republic, trump along with close allies like rudy giuliani, kelly ward, tried to pressure election officials in maricopa county. >> it's maddening. we knew this was happening in fwa fwa. we suspected there were some
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attempts to undermine the election here, and now we have it clearly in tapes. and arizona law makes it clear that interfering in an election is against the law. and that is exactly what this appears to be. >> and this interference has continued to this day. joining us at the table right now is cnn ease supreme court analyst, joan. i want to start with this arizona stuff. i mean, we've known for a long time, obviously, that the president has been interested in getting states to basically find the votes that he needed in order to win. what went on in arizona, i think, highlights the big challenge. it didn't end after election day. it didn't end after the inauguration. we have an audit going on there. and this is a little bit from giuliani's voice mail to one of the republican arizona officials. he says to him, if you get a chance, would you pleads give me
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a call. i have a few things i'd like to talk over with you. maybe we can get this thing fixed up. i think it's a shame republicans are both kind of in this situation, and i think there may be a nice way to resolve this for everybody. this is like the kind of thing that you would see in a gangster movie or something like that. but it's happening in american elections. what does this matter at this point given that this is the predicate for voting restrictions that are coming down the pike in states like arizona? >> i covered the trump presidency, now biden. i covered trump for four years. trump right now is surrounding himself with people who are continuing to tell him that the election was stolen from you. and maybe there's hope. and we can do this. and i don't know if he actually believes that or not. but he is continuing to further that message, and i think that his supporters are really still thinking at rallies, they think the election was stolen from him. that's something a lot of people
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in this country believe. >> arizona was in the news again this week. actually, for some voting restrictions that were prior to this latest set of restrictions that they're trying to put in place after the big lie. but it has some tea leaves for what comes next. right? i mean, this is a conservative court. 6-3. basically upholding arizona's restrictions. and narrowing in some ways, the scope of what is left of the voting rights act. i mean, what does this mean for democrats who are looking to the courts and saying this is our last hope if we want to stop restrictions from going into place in arizona and in georgia and all over the country? >> this is part of a pattern at the roberts court. democrats really cannot look to the supreme court at this point. this 6-3 ruling upholding two restrictions in arizona involving ballots cast out of precinct and third party
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collection of ballots both were upheld in a decision that very much hallowed out the voting rights act. we saw back in 2013 when the court eliminated the preclearance requirement for states that had a history of discrimination, which arizona was one, that allowed more states like arizona, like texas, to impose new limits. but the court then said well, you always have this other provision that forbids discrimination based on race. what the court did this week was make it very hard to prove -- to bring those kinds of claims. so states are going to be more involved to your question of what happens next. they really have great latitude here to impose restrictions that might have a impact on racial minorities. the court said some disparities are just the usual burdens of voting. >> you wrote this week to that
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point, that this is a key feature of the roberts court. the headline on this piece is john roberts takes aim at the voting rights act and political money disclosures. again, this is the second time. we just passed the eight-year anniversary of him hollowing out the voting rights act. the question is what happens with justice briar? the term ended. he is hiring more clerks. and progressives are pulling their hair out on capitol hill. because they want to know if he's going to get out in time for them to confirm someone else. >> exactly. they see this as a very small window. if democrats do lose the senate, mitch mcconnell has made clear what he would plan to do if there was a democratic-appointed nominee. democrats are anxious. they're looking to him. the more you pressure him, does he dig in more. he doesn't want to have an
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appearance of political interference on the high court. >> this is fascinating. how long does it take for other justices to get out? what was their turn? you've got -- it ranges from zero days or maybe even negative days to all the way up to 95 days in the case of justice marshall in 1991. there's at lewd, but i think all of these scenarios give us before the end of the year. do you think that's in the cards for briar? >> democrats are in such dispair. i'm not here to deliver good news. justice briar has not said a word, but every sign i'm seeing and i'm staying incredibly close to this, is that it is not imminent. he has more authority at the court now that he's the senior justice since ruth baider
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ginsberg departed. he's got his full complement of four clerks hired for next term. he's given a major speech and is preparing to unveil a major book about keeping politics out of the judiciary in september. and he's promoting that book at least right now as a sitting justice. so i don't see it. but the pressure could get stronger. >> it's incredibly timely, but considering that it relies, this whole confirmation process relies on politics seems -- >> can i add one thing quickly? you know, the senate that we have now, even though it's f fragile with the democratic majority, should be the senate we have next year at this time. i think he believes this senate should hold a democratic majority, but to your thinking -- >> unless something goes wrong. i mean, of course, none of those folks, very few of these folks in the senate are spring
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chickens. i want to turn -- coming full circle here, we are a couple days away, six months past the january 6th insurrection. pelosi says she's created this committee. she's giving republicans five seats. kevin mccarthy hasn't said what he's going to do. what is the strategy for republicans on this committee? >> my sources are telling me he will be appointing republicans to this panel. the question is who? does he stock the panel with a bunch of trump-loving fire brands? does he try to appoint more reasonable members that might have sway with middle america? i think it will be a mix of both. the issue that kevin mccarthy is going to run into is a lot of these moderates in tough districts want nothing to do with this assignment. it's a politically tough assignment for most members to go on. but what he decides will tell us a lot about their strategy which is just going to be making it as partisan as possible. >> and by picking nancy pelosi's
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decision may have boxed mccarthy in in terms of who he appoints to the panel. pelosi was ensuring this would be in some ways a bipartisan panel, that you would have one person who could say i'm a republican and i buy into this and believe the findings are true. i think it maybe ups the pressure a little bit on mccarthy to appoint more moderate, sensible folks rather than just the fire brands who he is interested in like jim jordan. >> there is a sense, i think, perhaps among republicans that they could be targets of this committee. of this investigation. the folks who are the closest to the white house at the time, jeremy, and nancy, you covering this dradministration. could they be called? i think that's a major question for many of them and one of the reasons why you're seeing so much resistance to the committee. thank you, joan, for joining us for this great conversation.
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if you're affected by schizophrenia, ask your doctor about caplyta from intra-cellular therapies. in florida this week a study in contrast. on the one hand, former president trump still desperately clinging to the limelight. he insisted on rallying his followers despite pleas from ron desantis who urged him to canl the rally. trump spent much of the rally depending himself after his company was charged with evading taxes on fringe benefits paid to top executives. >> they go after good hard working people for not paying taxes on a company car. never before has new york city and their prosecutors or perhaps any prosecutors criminally
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charged the company or person for fringe benefits. fringe benefits. murder is okay. human trafficking, no problem. but fringe benefits, you can't do that. >> on the other hand, president biden traveled to surfside, visiting with first responders who worked to remove the rubble, meeting with grieving families and praising local officials including governor desantis, someone who he could conceivably be running against in 2024. jeremy, the president was out there not only seemingly admitting to what his top executive was indicted for. but really kind of just doing the same old jig he's been doing for four years. at some point does this get old? >> for some people, i think it got old a long time ago. i mean, what struck me in watching the intro and seeing the side by side images is if trump was still president today,
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he would have been doing the same thing he was doing last night. i don't think there would be any difference. he would be at a rally, talking about prosecutorial misconduct and admitting the things actually took place. and he would be railing against the system. it's remarkable to see that now he is in some ways a side show. he is not at the center of what is happening in washington of decision making. he is certainly at the center still of the republican party. but you know, so many of these comments carried a lot more weight when they were said as president of the united states. we would be going through a whole cycle of what does this mean for the justice department and what does this mean for the independence of the judiciary? the conversation is a little different now. i do think, though, the longer these investigations go on, the closer they come to him, the more likely it is he decides to run again and continues to remain in the national conversation. >> that's an important question.
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indictments are a real thing. this is not just rumors of an indictment. it's not just talk of an indictment. it's a real charge that weisselberg is facing. susan glasser in the new yorker asks an important question. will the american people care about this at the end of the day? she says each new trump crisis, and there were many, offered hope of redemtive, unambiguous end that would conclude this sorry chapter in american politics and yet, it's never happened. it's a combination of will the american people care, and will this embroil trump at tend of the day or just the people around him? >> sources tell me the former president is telling peopled a bed minister where he's living at his course now, that he does plan to run again. one reason is he wants to raise money for legal fees. another is because he really
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wants to lock out republicans from the field, including governor desantis who he has had clashes with this week over whether to hold the rally. i think he's trying to position himself as a key person in the republican party, raising money, giving endorsements even as he is holding rallies and sort of playing the role he's typically played. >> and already taking a similar strategy he did in previous campaigns. seizing on some of these different investigations and framing them as witch hunts. right? into his organization. into his family. by no way does that mean that he is at any point happy or only seeing this as a political tool at this point. there is definitely anxiety throughout that circle. but you are seeing him -- i mean, just in that clip, seizing on the investigations. seizing on a law and order message as well. focusing on crime. trying to galvanize whatever base is still there.
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>> and biden is leaning in to the ways in which he is so different from trump. right? leaning into this contrast. just on immigration, take a listen. >> we built a wall that was not a wall that anybody could get through. we had very few breakthroughs. >> since our nation's founding, a quintessential idea in america has been nurturing and richness and advance through the sacrifices of so many people. almost all of whom were immigrants. >> this is a different world that biden is living in, that the american people are living in now. and i think we were talking at the top of the program about people -- it's 47% of americans think we're headed in the right direction. it seems there's evidence out there in the american people are more comfortable with where biden is on some of this stuff
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than trump. >> it is a study in contrast when you hear them talk about immigration or even the way they're handling july 4th. president trump when he was president had a whole rally. there was tanks. he threw a big bash. biden has taken on the role as adviser and chief this week in surfside. the cost of all of this. there was a recent report. the 2020 fourth of july celebrations, plural, total $14.6 million. that includes fireworks at mount rushmother. the white house celebration and other costs in the midst of the pandemic. so yeah, i mean, this is a weekend in which it could not have been more night and day. >> i was going to say i was with president biden in surfside on thursday. i was traveling with him. it was a contrast. he met with families behind closed doors for three hours. he was empathetic. he went to the wall where people had hung photographs and
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flowers. and he felt comfortable in that role. it felt natural. and he appeared to bring people a lot of comfort there. it was really different from traveling with president trump to disaster sites or things like that. i feel like he was a little uncomfortable. >> in many ways that's how he won the election. his empathy versus trump's lack of empathy in the midst of the pandemic. >> i think there's a sense people think this is an exaggerated contrast, but it is something biden has spent decades through his own personal tragedy honing, and in moments like this, it really starts to matter. you've got a rally in florida that is really all about you versus consoler and chief. i mean, i think the contrast is there for everyone to see. up next for us, vice president kamala harris is taking on some tough issues, but the question is at what cost to her political future? ave been wg the stove instead.
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vice president kamala harris is facing a state of headlines this week and paint a less rosie picture in her climate. two reports tension with the west wing. the white house is ramping up its defense of harris. a side they are taking this negative press seriously. this was notable this week. it went from pushing back in the story themselves to a real press from members of the biden
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admini administration, frederick sedman is calling it a campaign against her. the vice president is an important partner of the president of the united states, what does et tell us about how concern they really are about whether it is a problem or the reality of a negative narrative coming out of her office. >> it shows the white house is seeing these complaints as not just a unique sicircumstance. >> the vice president has been tasked with polarizing subject of her agenda, addressing migration at the border. that comes with question whether or not she's going to visit the border. right now we are seeing that the white house is concerned about this and trying to get out there and really defend her. >> perhaps to an extend to her
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political future as well. >> she's the heir here whether in 2024 or 2028. i don't think they're going to be be thinking of these things but it is a broader story and that's why the white house tries to get hold of a narrative. >> ultimately, it kind of solidifies allegations that's being levelled of the culture in her office. when you go out in a defensive point, you tend to solidify some of those things. this was not anywhere near what you are describing. that's not to say - >> it is not a denial. it is not quite what you are seeing and seeing this full core press. >> what about the other part of this. when you talk to her supporters and aides, they say it is a double standard. she's a black woman being blamed
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for normal office dissatisfaction. to what extent do you think that's true, or is it an excuse of problems need to be solved. >> a lot of complains that dog her primary complain and management experience are also popping up in the vice pre president's office. as much as these attacks are common with a black woman, the white house worries if these attacks continue, there will be some truth on them. and also it reflects poorly on biden legacy. his white house is trying to present this image of no drama. >> she's facing a two-front problem. republicans seeing her as the easiest attack. these complaints are coming from inside the house. thank you all for being here.
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have a great 4th of july weekend. that's it for "inside politics" on sunday. join us every sunday and on our weekdays show as well. coming up, jake tapper and dana bash and house majority whip, jim clyburn. thank you for sharing your sunday morning with us, enjoy your barbecue, have a great day. once we get there, we will need... buttercup! ♪ open talenti and raise the jar. to gelato made from scratch. raise the jar to all five layers. raise the jar to the best gelato... you've ever tasted. talenti. raise the jar. i know a thing or two about cars. and, sometimes, buying them can
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independence day for many americans this 4th of july feels like a return to normal. >> we have exceeded our expectations where we would be for 4th of july. >> is the highly contagious delta variant spread, what's the danger for unvaccinated americans. i will speak to the white house members next and internal affairs. congress is set to investigate the attack on th

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