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would have definitely got it while i was pregnant to keep from having to deliver him at 33 weeks. >> reporter: the willis' hope to take lincoln home in the next couple of weeks. they also plan to get vaccinated as soon as possible. miguel marquez, cnn little rock. >> thanks so much for joining us. us. "ac 360" is now. -- captions by vitac -- turns out there's a good reason some republicans have no appetite for investigating the january insurrection. they're too busy hobnobbing with one of the participants. i'm john berman, and this uncovered is anthony asqgary ro seen here on a trip republicans took to the border. aguerrero a right wing youtube personality and close ally of marjorie tailor green was there.
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unlike others who have blamed it on fbi agitators, anyone but trump supporters, this guy makes no bones about who was responsible. >> we were all there. it was not antifa, and it was not blm. it was trump supporters that did that yesterday. i'm the first to admit it, being one myself. >> so, that was anthony aguerrero, january 7th, a day after the insurrection. and here's part of his live stream on the border three nights ago during which he talked with house members, madison cawthorn, chris jacobs, michael cloud, josh rose, ronny jackson and mary miller. the members were there the night before the former president's visit, which they took part in. and as it turns out, so did this guy aguerrero. his instagram reads, can you
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spot me. lol. lol. a search of court records found the guy has a history of criminal violence including felony vehicular assault for which he received a two-year prison sentence. that's who these lawmakers were rubbing elbows with on tuesday. and that's more than a bit surreal, but it's also not surprising even though, let's be blunt here, it damn well ought to be all things considered. think about it. for the first independence day holiday since the civil war, this country, 245 years old on sunday, is living in the shadow of an eternal attack on democracy. it could be on the verge of another, according to a warning this week from the department of homeland security, yet one of the two political parties is doing all it can to get us all to look the other way. some, as you saw, are even paling around with the guy at the insurrection. and this is all being tolerated by the man in charge, house republican leader kevin mccarthy who seems to have forgotten
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scenes like this from another newly released batch of video. >> leave the capitol, back up. no. stop, stop, stop. >> as that was happening rngs you will recall mccarthy was barricaded inside his office on the phone begging the former president to call off the mob that was breaking his windows and trying to get in. well, kevin, the former president is reported to have replied, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. yes, that kevin mccarthy. this one, too. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. >> that brief outburst of honesty did not last long. mccarthy soon folded like a card table, flying down to mar-a-lago and kissing the former president's ring, or its latin
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equivalent. he showed his fealty by opposing a bipartisan commission, then attempted to block a committee. now he's dragging his feet on naming the members he is entitled to choose in consultation with house speaker nancy pelosi. even has he does, each day seems to bring a hard reminder of what he's trying hard to sweep under the rug. today we learned of another arrest, david marshal, an oath keeper. he's the one labelled by name or with a red arrow wearing paramilitary gear sometimes marching in a military stack formation. according to charjing documents he was part of the group that was stock piling guns at a nearby hotel which they referred to as the qrf, or quick reaction force hotel. an armed second wave to what was already the worst attack on democracy since the civil war. it's hard to even imagine, yet so easy, it seems, for some to try to make us forget.
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perspective now from cnn senior political analyst david gergen, also denver regalman. these house republicans over the course of a couple days, they were paling around with this guy who was at the insurrection. they were skipping the january 6th vote. and they were all there to show their undying support for the former president and his stunt. what do you call that? >> who are you directing that at, john? >> david. >> me, okay. listen, john, i think what we're seeing is the aguerrero story underscores how vital it is that we have a national mission to investigate what happened on january 6th and we clear on the air on it. for years as long as i can remember when big historical events have occurred and national commissions have been created and they've been very, very important, i go all the way back when john f. kennedy was assassinated. seven days later there was a
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national commission by the chief justice of the united states supreme court by president johnson and the warren commission and what it established once and for all was president kennedy was assassinated by lee harvey oswald. oswald worked alone and jack ruby also shot oswald as a loner. before all sorts of conspiracy theories like we're seeing now about january 6th. mission to clear the air. they allow everybody to sort of move on to the next event. but right now in the midst of this calamity that we're still going through, it's really unbelievable that the republican party, which has been -- led the way on having a commission after 9/11, led the way on having a commission on george w. bush, on terror, on voting rights. the gop now draw the line. no, no, we don't want to have
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anything to do with this. it raises the question, what are they hiding? >> yeah, i mean, congressman, it seems to me this is no longer a bug. it is the feature of a big part of the republican party. what do you think? >> well, i don't -- i don't know why anybody who's an elected official would be swapping air molecules with a conspiracy grunt on the border. it doesn't make any sense to me as somebody who has taken the oath to defend this constitution, not only the military but also as a congressman, it's appalling. but you're seeing it everywhere. you have a q influencer that got media credentials for trump's rally in florida. you have trump putting out these misses that are more and more ridiculous. right now it's baked in. i think you're right. when you said this is more of a feature, the fact is that this has become a apocalyptic good against evil conspiracy that's going on. but to pal around with somebody with a criminal record, somebody who was there, somebody who
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bragged about being there and to take selfies with these congressional representatives, it goes to show right now that we need a fix and we need to find out how this disinformation spreads. we need a committee or a commission. we need this to happen. right now it just seems like they want to swap spit with these guys and i think that's something that's really going to hurt the gop in the long term. >> isn't it possible that they're with this guy because they want to be there with this guy, if not literally then at least figuratively, that they want to be seen as at least being open to this kind of thing? why else would you have a guy like andrew collyde calling thia normal tourist visit. >> maybe they thought they were tourists taking selfies. some are saying we don't know who it was. there were security. is this guy vetted in there. i was a congressman. it's hard to bs me. how did this guy get in there? was he invited by somebody to come along the trip as an
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interpreter or whatnot. that should scare people that we have idiots like that paling around the congressional representatives that either they're being deliberately ob obtuse or they're not smart enough to figure it out. looking at polling and stuff like that, john, i think it's getting more powerful out there, this type of belief system. >> david, we see new videos released almost every day -- or at least every week -- of what happened in the insurrection. it's just horrifying what happened. it was horrifying on that day in a way we shouldn't need more videos to make us -- make reasonable people -- more horrified. i'm wondering if you think they make any difference anymore? >> it doesn't make much difference as it used to, john. but i do think over the next two or three years we're going to have two big elections where american people are going to ask a judge what happened on january 6th. the off year elections and the presidential elections in 2024. it will be central.
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but it's clearly important that we be able to have a discourse about truth and about facts as opposed to conspiracies. and that's why this commission is bipartisan. give credit to liz cheney for being willing -- when invited, she said, yes, i'll do this, and really aggravated, as you can imagine, kevin mccarthy to no end. he apparently stripped her of other responsibilities in congress and threatening others who may sign up. what we need is a commission. kevin mccarthy should get on board and support it. >> the bipartisan commission is not happening at this point. we have this select committee, congressman. you've got experience working this, if you will. they were your colleagues just a few months ago. what is it that you think or how is it that you think kevin mccarthy ultimately will approach this? is this something he'll try somehow to muck up? >> he's got to stop it. i mean, if they're looking at the polls, if they're looking to
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fund-raisers to districts, he's going to have to push it to the side. he's going to have to make fun of it. he's going to have to make it partisan. he's going to have to push it to so far to the left saying it's provocative. you've got to use these hyperbolic words and dismiss it. i think this is a huge mistake. this is an american problem. it is time for us as americans to do something to find out in ap nal sis what happened on january 6th. we need to get everybody in the same room, domestic individuals, transnational threats. we need to engage, some of the stuff like we had going on with the global engagement center. we need to look at the gaps and the priorities that we need to actually look at that law enforcement didn't have time to do to see why this happened. this is absolutely necessary and i'm still can't get my arms around the fact we have individuals pushing back on that
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after the americans were affected, after individuals like michael fanone getting almost beat to death. enough of this crap. i'm frustrated based on my background in intel because i know we can figure this out. >> i don't think the crap is a bug. i think t at this point we have to assume it's a feature. fasten your seat belts because watching how this -- how they try to approach this committee will be fascinating. david gergen, i appreciate you being with us. thanks to you. have a wonderful holiday weekend both of you. next, new insight into how the former president is taking yesterday's indictment of his company and his finance chief and later a string of breaking news in the surfside tragedy, including word that residents of another building in the area have been told it's no longer safe to live in. plus have high . they may not be able to take just anything for pain. that's why doctors recommend tylenol®. it won't raise blood pressure the way that advil® aleve® or motrin® sometimes can. for trusted relief, trust tylenol®. i've never slept like this before. we gave new zzzquil pure zzzs restorative herbal sleep
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financial officer allen weisselberg, young master trump told the news this is, quote, what vladimir putin does. as for how his father has been taking the news, maggie haberman joins us with her new reporting, also ellie hoenig. maggie, first to you. look, trump world sent off signals saying this is no big deal, the indictments, it's just a partisan witch hunt. oh, nothing to see here. what's really going on behind the scenes? what is the real feeling among the president and his close advisers? >> look, john, you're going to continue to see the former president describe this as a witch hunt and describe this as a partisan investigation. part of that is going to be sigh vance. part of that is going to be because of the attorney general letitia james in new york that is working on this case with vance. in reality donald trump is not somebody who has sought to be indicted. he is not somebody who thought it was a good thing.
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there was spin from one of his advisers this week about how he was, quote/unquote, thrilled. he's not thrilled. i don't think he's throwing staplers, but he's not happy. it's not something he's talking about constantly as furry, but this is not where they want to be. this is a totally new world for him, john. and i think that what you've seen with the former president and his advisers and members of his family and his allies is they have conflated legal problems with public relations problems for so long some are losing sight of the fact this is not an indictment. it's not an indictment of donald trump personally but it is of his cfo and companies. whether it's fair and whether it will be brought against somebody else. the reality is allen weisselberg is facing potential jail time, and that can change things. it may not. he has indicated he's not going to cooperate with prosecutors, but we'll see where this goes. >> was the indictment part of the president's regular tv
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viewing yesterday? >> the former president was definitely watching the news conference, and one of the things people don't understand about how he watches television is it isn't just glued to the box. he often has it on in the background and looks up and looks at things. the tv is often on and he was well aware of the coverage yesterday. >> from a legal perspective, what happens now? the arraignment has come and gone. what's the goal among new york prosecutors, still to get weisselberg to flip? >> i think so. absolutely, john. there's one of two things that yesterday's indictment is. scenario one is this could be prosecutors shooting their shot, putting their best foot forward and hoping they get something out of this. if that's the case, it's really not much. i think what the scenario is, having been a prosecutor for a long time, is they are trying to strategically target leverage and pressure allen weisselberg to flip. when you're trying to break into a closed organization like the trump organization, this is what prosecutors do. you look at the chart and say who might be vulnerable, who
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might flip and who can deliver the goods. and if you look at that, everyone in the inner circle has the last name trump. they're not going to flip. i think the prosecutors are putting an awful lot of eggs in the basket. i've seen people i never expected to flip have a change of heart when they see that indictment and feel those handcuffs. so, that, to me, is the biggest thing to watch in this case moving forward. >> elie, i learned today you literally taught a class on flipping witnesses when you were in the prosecutor's office. what's going on behind the scenes? what are they saying to weisselberg and his team? how quickly does this happen? >> i think they said something loud and clear with the indictment yesterday. when i looked at that indictment, i will tell you the evidence against allen weisselberg was significantly stronger than i suspected. john, you coined the phrase the spoking spreadsheet, which i think is a very clear piece of
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evidence. another piece of evidence that jumped off the page to me is they have evidence that allen weisselberg tampered with the record, that he told another unnamed person at the trump world take my name off the document. weisselberg said e get my name off there. that is really incriminating evidence. if he's sitting with his attorneys today, his attorneys have to tell him, look, they have a strong case against you. you're about to turn 74 years old, allen. and if you get convicted here, you could go away for several years. so, you need to let that sit for bit as a prosecutor. >> i think sometimes people forget the trump organization is a family business, a relatively small in some ways family business now under indictment. you have a biline in the "times" which talks about how this indictment could affect the family business almost immediately. what will the effect be? >> so, john, the biggest question right now is what this means in terms of the trump
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organization's relationship with its lenders in various areas, whether that is lenders on specific properties, lenders we're not aware of. but often times there are covenants that are agreed to between lenders and a company or organization as to a specific project or as to an amount of capital that is being given to the company. some of those covenants suggest there could be -- and i'm not saying that's the case here. i'm saying this is just what happens. there can be situations created in these covenants where the lenders would have the ability -- banks, for instance, would have the ability to walk away. now, donald trump has had a very charmed life in terms of this. he has generally, even when people thought banks would walk away from him, even when banks have suffered, he has found a way. so we will see. but that will the biggest thing you'll see. >> if you're allen weisselberg's
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lawyer, what are you telling him today? >> the first thing i'm telling him is they've got a good case against you. you really ought to think about cooperating. any person who's been charged has three options. number one, you can cooperate. if you do that, given the nature of the charges here, you have a very good chance to get probation, to not go to jail. option two is you can plead guilty without cooperating, without helping them out. if you do that, mr. weisselberg, you have a chance to get maybe a year or two, if you look at the new york guidelines two, or three years. but maybe i or your defense lawyer could argue to the judge for probation. we would be rolling the dice. option three is going to the trial. anyone who advises a trial has to tell them that most defendants get convicted at trial. if you get convicted at trial, you will likely get sentenced to several years in prison. those are the three options he's sitting with. one of the things that's important, building off what maggie said, the money matters a lot. the two scenarios i've seen people cooperate the most are
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one, of course, to minimize or reduce jail time. when the money runs out, the money to fight the cases, the money to pay the lawyers, the money to maintain the rich lifestyles runs out, that's when people flip as well. that's a factor playing in to all of this. >> maggie, very quickly because we have to run. what is the former president focused on at this point? politics or business? >> i don't know how you separate them, john. i think the politics gives him some sense of a shield to say this is a political witch hunt. i think he would say it anyway. and the politics allow him to keep raising money. the second he says he is running for president again he is not able to raise money anymore. they are intertwined and that has been a problem for them is that they've always intertwined politics in the business. that's not the case with this case. but that has been a question that has dogged him since he first ran for office. >> i knew you were going to go for option c, i just knew it. thanks to both of you. have a great weekend. happy birthday, america, as we
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like to say. >> thanks, john. thanks maggie. fears about the safety of residents in another condo tonight just a short drive from the condo that collapsed last week. also we have the story of a reunion, survivors from that deadly collapse, one an 88-year-old grandmother who couldn't walk on her own, the other a man who made sure she made it to safety.
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breaking news involving the condo collapse in surfside, florida, that we learned today has now claimed at least 22 lives. concerns about the stability of the remaining portion of the building. we'll have more on that in just a moment. but first another condominium just a short drive away now the focus of safety concerns with the authorities taking extraordinary measures there tonight. rosa flores joins us from north miami beach, florida, with the latest. rosa, tell me about this building and what the concern is and how they're responding. >> reporter: you know, it is shocking to the people that i've been talking to who lives in building. they say that they were given two to three hours, that a police officer was standing outside their door telling them that they had to grab what they could and go, that they needed to exit the building. john, here's the back story. according to officials after surfside, the story that we've been covering for more than a week now, officials asked all of
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the buildings to submit their paperwork, to make sure that these buildings were safe. well, the building that you see behind me submitted this report just today. it's dated january 1st. today is july 2nd. this report on the very first page, john, says it is structurally not safe. it is electrically not safe. that's exactly why city officials say that they immediately took action, given what happened in surfside, and asked all of these residents to get out. from talking to some of these residents, they're emotional and of course they're counting their blessings because they know what happened in surfside. but they're also angry because this is from at least six months ago. and so they're concern is why were not they not told about this earlier. from what i hear from city officials, they are asking the red cross to help out because of
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course now all of these people are homeless. now, this building was built in 1972. it has more than 150 units. they don't have an exact manifest as of now. they're trying to figure that out. and they're trying to help all of these people who are now homeless, john. they're trying to figure out exactly where to go. and john, you and i were talking about the 40-year certification of the building that collapsed in surfside. well, the certification for this building was never turned in. that is one of the big concerns. and of course this is all after the surfside collapse. that's the reason why these documents are now being turned in and city officials are taking action. >> and they're taking it seriously now. rosa, very quickly, what did the miami-dade mayor announce today in terms of the remaining structure for the champlain tower south? >> reporter: well, the mayor says that she signed a demolition order.
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and this is the first step to demolish that remaining portion of that building. of course we all know, and she emphasized it is a public health issue, it is a public safety issue. and they know that that portion of the building has to be demolished. she says it's not going to happen before the hurricane that is -- that has formed in the gulf. she says it probably will take a few weeks. it's the structural engineers who will make the decisions, who will figure out exactly how and when this will happen, john. you and i know that this is a very emotional moment for the families because we know that there are still people under that rubble. >> rosa flores, thank you so much for this reporting, a lot going on there to say the least. and we have two stories to tell you about that has taken an emotional toll on all those involved. randi kaye joins us from surfside, and randi, you're learning more about one of the
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victims. what can you tell us? >> reporter: john, another child has been pulled from the rubble. this time a 7-year-old girl. she was recovered from miami search and rescue. and it turns out that she is the daughter of a firefighter who works with miami fire search and rescue. he was actually working on the pile at the time. he did not find his daughter, but a search team from task force two did, and they called him over and told him that tragic news. so, you can just imagine, john, how difficult it is for this family. this little girl has not been identified publicly, nor has her father. the family is asking for privacy at this time. but certainly a very, very difficult situation for them like it is for so many families here in the surfside area. also tonight, john, we are learning more about those who ran for safety as that building came crumbling down around them. and we're hearing stories of neighbors jumping into action to save neighbors. we met two of them today.
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>> all of a sudden i hear boom and my bed shake and i see my apartment is shaking. >> reporter: when champlain tower south shook in the middle of the night, esther was in bed. sheic requestly made her way from unit 509 to the stairwell. sun alfredo lopez spotted her. >> i remember she told me her knee was bothering her and she wanted to stop. i told her, you know, stopping is not an option. >> there is no way you were going to let her stay. >> no, i just -- it didn't even occur to me. i can't -- she's a human being. >> reporter: but esther couldn't walk on her own, so alfredo picked her up, tossed her over his shoulder and carried her down. >> i don't know how many flights of stairs. it couldn't have been that many because i'm really not that strong. >> he picked me up. he just picked me up. >> reporter: esther and alfredo
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hasn't seen each other since that terrible night when he saved her life until we brought them together. >> how are you? >> i'm so happy. >> i'm so happy too. i'm so happy to see you. you know, we made it out, so that's what's important, right? >> yes, yes. that's important. >> okay, good. >> i'm so happy you were up there. somebody is watching. >> absolutely. it wasn't simply, esther, it just wasn't our time. >> reporter: together they recounted their chance meeting in the stairwell and their narrow escape. >> in that minute you don't talk. you don't say anything. let's roll. let's go, let's go, let's go. >> reporter: they made it to the garage but they still weren't out of danger. the garage ceiling had collapsed and water was ankle deep. >> there was one car pancaked on top of another car that was pancaked on top of a huge slab of concrete. a mountain of debris proved too much for esther, so alfredo had
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to think fast. his son helped too. >> somebody pushed. >> yeah, we gave her the old one-two, like let's just push. >> push her over the -- >> well, we pushed her up and we got out of the garage, which was very important. >> reporter: after they cleared the garage, alfredo put esther over his shoulder once again and carried her to safety on the beach. >> what do you think about somebody who would do that? >> i think something else when something bad, you need to help each other in bad times too. there's no other choice. >> it's just so beautiful that they have to, you know, you help everybody, whoever knocks at my door, i need help, i give it to them. and then god gave me the prize of my life because i did so many
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good things. >> how klucky do you feel today? >> i know i'm lucky. very lucky to be here with my family. >> that night alfredo and esther lost everything they owned. but they escaped with their lives and a friendship that is sure to endure. >> you make me very happy. >> reporter: and this really was a team effort to get esther safely out of that building. another man did help. his name is albert aguerrero and esther wants to thank her as well. he pulled as esther pushed to get her out of that area. esther believes her parents and her husband also had a hand in this, that they gave these men the strength to save her. and i did talk to alfredo, and he was telling me today that he does have some survivors' guilt, john. he doesn't understand why he and esther and others survived and
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so many others did not. he was emotional talking about when he first opened his apartment door to flee and he looked at his neighbor's door right next door to him and it was a big black gaping hole and there has been no sign of her since. that's haunting her to this day and still very hard for him to deal with. >> randi, that story was beautiful, just beautiful. in bad times you have to help people. so important. thank you so much for that. >> absolutely. just ahead, the closing of bagram air base and the end of the two decade war in afghanistan. later, should using pot keep athletes out of the olympics? we're going to discuss the aplight of gentleman carrie richardson with a three-time olympic gold medallist when we continue. e on flights, hotels and rental cars during priceline's freedom sale. and when you get a big deal... feel like a big deal. with the freedom sale at priceline, every trip is a big deal.
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. president biden grew visibly frustrated today with questions from reporters about the future of afghanistan, preparing to keep the focus on the economy and the fourth of july, even as a major chapter in the u.s. war there comes to a close. the last american troops have left bagram air base, a major symbol of the american military presence in afghanistan for nearly two decades. anna coren has more on what the mission ending means as well as the one now beginning for the afghans. >> reporter: the vast might of the u.s. military transformed this dusty airstrip into a
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miniature city and the nucleus of america's longest war. ultimately that might could not transform afghanistan. friday morn nearly 20 years after u.s. soldiers captured bagram air base as a launch pad for the war on terror, the last servicemen and women departed afghanistan. a nation not left strong, prosperous or secure despite the sacrifice of more than 2,400 american lives and over 100,000 afghan civilians according to the united nations. many of those fallen soldiers repatriated from these runways, now in the possession of afghan forces. they are the only ones who will consider friday's u.s. departure a victory. >> the security situation is not good right now. that's something that's recognized by the afghan security forces, and they're making the appropriate
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adjustments as we move forward. >> reporter: taliban fighters have seized back sways of the country americans fought and died to liberate. after once boasting a force of over 100,000 in afghanistan, there will remain as few as 600 u.s. troops here to provide security for u.s. diplomats. >> we intend to maintain a diplomatic presence in kabul. that is something that is important to us given our desire to have a continued partnership with the afghan government, and crucially with the afghan people. >> i'm speaking to you today -- >> reporter: their forever war will continue as joe biden wades out of the mire, a mire that trapped his predecessors the in a brutal and bloody stalemate. bush, obama and trump each bouncing in and out of bagram, pledging afghanistan will never be a haven for terrorists as it was when al quaeda plotted the tragedy of 9/11. those terrorists long since
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routed out and destroyed. now no guarantee that violent extremists won't reenter the vacuum left by the united states as the last american soldiers out of afghanistan return to a nation that has long waited to welcome them home. >> anna coren joins us now live from kabul. anna, so much concern for the afghan support personnel who worked alongside the american military there. what is the lawsuitest on how, if and when the u.s. will help these people? >> well, obviously, john, the safety and security of those afghan translators, interpreters and other workers who worked alongside u.s. troops and diplomats throughout this 20-year war is paramount. their lives are at risk due to the deteriorating security situation. we've seen the taliban launch this offensive across the country, particularly in the north, gaining momentum and gaining territory. and it's because of that and
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also the fact that the u.s. troop have brought their withdrawal forward by two months, it has exacerbated that threat. we know that there are 18,000 afghans who have applied for this special immigrant visa, and it's hoped by the biden administration that they can fast track the process by putting these afghans into a third country, keeping them safe while they can process these visas to the united states. the biden administration is in talks with countries here in central asia, neighbors with afghanistan, tajikistan, uzbekistan, kazakhstan, and they're hoping that they can strike some sort of deal to get these afghans to safety before moving them on to the united states. president biden vowing that every afghan who risks his life, his or her life for america, will not be left behind, john.
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>> it has to be done quickly. anna coren in kabul, thank you so much for that. the olympic dreams of shah carrie richardson are now on hold after she tested positive for thc. what she is saying. and some are asking is the punishment too strict. i'll talk it over with olympic champion sprinter gail deavers.
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on the nations fastest, most reliable network. an olympic surprise. u.s. sprinter sha'carri richardson will not be allowed to race at the games. the 21-year-old tested positive for thc, the chemical in marijuana, invalidating her win at the u.s. trials last month. she had been considered a favorite in tokyo. richardson said she used marijuana in oregon, where it's legal, after learned her biological mother died. she was trying to hide her pain after the news was broken by a reporter. >> i apologize for the fact that i didn't know how to control my emotions or deal with my emotions during that time. but sitting here, i just say,
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don't judge me because i am human. i'm you. i just happen to run a little faster. >> many hope with richardson and tokyo the u.s. might win the first olympic gold medal since gail deavers in 1996. joining us is gail deavers. an honor to speak with you. listen, when you first heard the news that sha'carri richardson will not be able to run the race in tokyo, i wonder what went through your mind. >> i kind of just said wow. then when i found out what it was, that it was marijuana, it's an unfortunate situation because she was on a great path to bring home the gold. and, you know, it's one of those things that happen. i love the fact that she has always said that she wanted to be transparent. so, she took responsibility and she's taking the ban. >> she owned this. i mean, she absolutely did take responsibility, says she accepts the punishment. no one disputes that there is a rule and that she broke the
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rule. the question, gail, is should there be a rule at this point for marijuana when marijuana is legal in oregon, you know, where she used it. alcohol is not illegal. is it a fair rule to begin with? >> well, you know what? i always tell people that we are -- you know, we choose to run track and field. that's our sport. and in our sport, there's a governing body that governs our sports and there's rules and regulations that we may not agree with. but until we change them, we have to abide by them. and you heard sha'carri say that, you know, she's not telling someone to do it or not to do it. this was a choice she made to cope with the things that she had to cope with. and that's why she's accepting that ban. it's 30 days. she'll be back. if you watch her, she's unapologetically sha'carri. and what she does is she doesn't run with question marks. when she's done with the race, she has put it all on the line, and that's what people were loving about her and will continue to do that in 30 days.
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>> there is a chance she'll be able to run the four by 100 relay. we don't know yet. but, you know, what must her feelings be? how would you feel if someone told you a month before the games that you couldn't compete in your best race? >> well, let's think about the challenges that we've all had to face with this pandemic and not knowing as an athlete. these athletes not knowing if the games were going to go off or not go off. what were they doing? what gets you there keeps you there. what they were doing was the same thing. they were still training. they may have had to find a different venue. it may be in a garage. it may be in a park. knowing sha'carri as far as what we've seen of her, she is that determined person that she is going to be ready. what distinguishes people is access and opportunity. whatever they say to her, yes, you can go run here or you have to wait until after the games, i believe she's going to be ready to get out there. one of the things that watching i become a fan of my sport and watching her, one of the things i loved about her was that she's
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patient, whether she gets out the blocks or not she's patient in her run. and she's one of the most technically sound athletes we've seen in a very long time. and i think these are the things that, you know, when you're faced with a challenge, you have to find that inner strength. and i like that she says she's going to take this time to deal with herself to deal. and that brings about that mental health thing that we're all dealing with and trying to figure out. how do we rally around these athletes, you know, with stardom and fame comes a big responsibility in addition to your personal things that you have to deal with, which we're seeing this. we got a taste of that after she won and told us about the death of her mother and how she coped with it. >> i have to say i'm sure she would be thrilled to have you rallying behind her right now. an honor to speak with you. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. i appreciate it. up next in the heart ache of surfside, a place to remember.
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there's a solemn place near the condo collapse in surf side where photos of victims and those unaccounted friends have been left by family and friends. look at all those flowers. steve runs a non-profit called helping others and giving hope. now he's teamed up with florists so there's always fresh flowers on the site. >> even the firefighters that are out there, i mean, it's
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not -- it's not easy. it's very emotional. i mean for everyone. it's very hard to keep it a straight face. but for those m families, you have to. you have to make sure you're giving them hope. >> reporter: yes, he is all about hope. and our hearts go out to all those in surfside tonight. that is all for us. the news continues. time for "prime time" and good time for "prime time" and good man michael smerconish. -- captions by vitac -- thank you for that. i am michael smerconish. you remember donald trump's call for the secretary of state in georgia to find him votes? apparently he was trying to do the same thing in arizona. there's new evidence surfacing tonight of more reported behind the scenes efforts by trump and his allies to pressure state election officials to help him retain the presidency. this was all back in the weeks after the 2020 election. you remember this in georgia? >> i just want to find