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everlasting. >> these memories that we made, this vow renewal, was for me to cherish for the rest of my life when i don't have peter, anymore. >> right now, who does peter think you are? >> his favorite person. someone safe. the person who takes care of him all the time. he loves me, very much. you know, he's very affectionate. he scratches my back. he kisses me. he knows that there is love there. >> and even though he doesn't use the word, that -- that's a wife, what you're describing. >> yeah. we don't need labels. you know, our hearts are very connected. >> elizabeth cohen, cnn reporting. >> he knows she's his favorite person. look. it's such a curse. i mean, alzheimer's is such -- is such a curse. but to get even one day, one moment, like that, it's -- it's such a blessing. >> the whole day, she said he was with him the whole day. so -- >> "new day" continues right now. i'm john berman, alongside
poppy harlow. on this "new day," breaking news from afghanistan. u.s. forces pulling out of bagram airbase, as america's longest war nears its end. donald trump's namesake business facing a sweeping indictment on tax crimes. are more charges coming? a new report showing much-needed repairs were stalled at the surfside condo, just months before it collapsed. and as the nation celebrates the fourth of july weekend, will the rapidly-spreading coronavirus variant derail your plans? all right. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. it is friday, july 2nd. and breaking overnight, a giant step toward ending america's longest war. the last u.s. troops at bagram airbase in afghanistan have now
departed. handing control of the sprawling compound, which was really once the epicenter of u.s. power there, to afghan security forces. this comes, as the full withdrawal from the country is nearly complete. >> and a major concern, of course, is what is the united states leaving behind? american troops are departing at a time when the taliban are making advances across the country, especially in the north. and present a growing threat to security there. let's bring in our oren liebermann. he is live at the pentagon. oren, good morning. >> good morning, poppy. the last flights of u.s. and coalition forces left bagram air force base. two flights leaving thursday night. one leaving on friday morning and that's it. that's the end of the u.s. presence at bagram air force base. a field that became the symbol and the base from which operations were launched throughout the country. 20 years ago when the u.s. arrived, it was essentially a dilapidated air field left over from the russian presence in afghanistan. it became a mini city, in its own right.
one with gyms, chlassrooms, really a miniature city that became the entry point for tens of thousands of troops in the war against tarerror. it is surreal, to many here, to think that bagram air force base, so long a u.s. presence, no longer has u.s. troops there. truly, a milestone, as the u.s. nears completion of its withdrawal. of course, where does afghanistan go from here? the taliban is making significant gains throughout the country. picking up districts in a continued fight with afghan-security forces, who have taken back a few districts. but there is a fear amongst senior-military officials that afghanistan is headed back to a civil war. at this point, there are, still, u.s. troops left in kabul and there will be after the completion of the withdrawal. there will be hundreds, perhaps 650 or more u.s. troops to secure the embassy there. as well as to assist in the securing of kabul international airport. a necessary facility for a continued-u.s. presence in
afghanistan. but, poppy and john, this is it. bagram air base truly the heart of u.s. military power in the region for so long is now empty of u.s. troops. >> it really is stunning to hear you say that, oren. it really is. 20 years is a long time. that was the gateway, as you said, for u.s. troops and the entire-american presence into that country. one u.s. official described the president's order to withdraw from afghanistan. it's a gut decision for biden. it's, also, part of his fiber, himself, for decades. so take us inside the white house strategy. >> well, president joe biden had opposed the troop surge, under then-president barack obama. sending in up to 100,000 troops about a decade ago. biden, also, opposed a continued presence there, at this point. and that became obvious, through the deliberations here. he viewed this as mission complete. but that mission wasn't rebuilding afghanistan, and bringing a complete peace agreement. that mission was to get osama bin laden. that was a decade ago, and to make sure that al qaeda or the taliban couldn't pose a threat to the u.s. homeland. that, too, for biden was mission
accomplished. military officials have said it would take a few years for those organizations to try to build up the capability, if they wanted to, to try to attack the u.s. homeland. and when biden looked at the situation, he concluded there was no need for a continued-u.s. presence there. he wants a diplomatic presence. he wants an embassy there. and there are, still, a lot of problems this administration has to figure out. key among them, what to do with 18,000 afghan interpreters and others who have helped the u.s. and their families to get them out. to get them to safety. amongst a threat from the taliban, against many of them. >> oren liebermann, we appreciate your reporting. keep us posted throughout the morning. thank you. prosecutors have charged the trump organization and its chief-financial officer, allen weisselberg, with running a 15-year scheme to defraud the government. and new york attorney general, letitia james, now warning that this investigation is not over and that more charges could be coming. donald trump taking a page from a familiar playbook, calling the case a witch hunt by radical-left democrats. let's bring in "wall street
journal" staff writer, deanna paul. she's reported extensively on this. let's start with the indictment here. and then, we'll get to the -- the reaction calling it all political. how big is this? >> so yesterday, we saw an indictment of 15 charges against allen weisselberg, who is the chief-financial officer of the trump organization. and ten charges against the trump organization. and prosecutors brought a case that, what they called, was an audacious and sweeping tax-fraud case that spanned 15 years. >> and they presented evidence that really does make it seem like a scheme. i was struck by the specificity of it. and -- and when you look at the indictment, what i call the smoking-spreadsheet. there is a literally a spreadsheet, which details this scheme. and this is what the indictment says. for certain years, the trump organization maintained internal spreadsheets that tracked the amounts it paid for weisselberg's rent, utility, and garage expenses. simultaneously, the trump organization reduced the amount of direct compensation that weisselberg received in the form
of checks and direct deposits. you know, and that indirect compensation was not included on w-2 forms. i mean, that's a smoking spreadsheet right there. they were avoiding paying taxes. >> that is whatt it seems like, at this point. and, you know, we are early into the case. and cases are, of course, tried in court and not just on the face of the indictment. but based on what we saw yesterday, it does seem like it's a strong-documentary case. >> as someone who's covered this extensively for so long, what questions does this raise for you? obviously, there is the big one and, that is, so, what's whie weisselberg going to do now? and then, as letitia james is saying, more charges? >> that is the question a lot of people are asking, poppy. we have to see what is going to happen, as we move forward. and people have suggested that this indictment was a strategy, on prosecutors' parts, to get mr. weisselberg to flip. but up to this point, we have no reason to think he is going to. he's, in fact, rejected
prosecutors attempts up to this point. >> based on what we see and i know there's maybe more we haven't seen, yet. but if he did flip, to what end? i mean, where would they have him take them, going forward? >> in these types of cases when it comes to tax fraud, proving that a defendant's knowledge and intent is -- is key to the case. and so, having a former employee or a current employee that was able to provide that type of evidence would be incredibly helpful in bringing additional charges. >> intent, you can't just prove, on a smoking spreadsheet, right? >> no. but it's pretty clear. i mean, the idea -- >> sorry, intent from others. >> yeah. the question is how many people knew about the spreadsheet? was this part of an overall-compensation plan? these are interesting questions. people say it's not a crime. it's not a crime. this isn't a big deal. but when you this out like this, it really does seem like this was a planned process to avoid paying taxes by, both, weisselberg and the company. >> at the end of the day, it was a very detailed indictment. and i think, what you need to
keep in mind is when you are talking about these fringe benefits, you had the trump attorney -- trump-organization lawyers and mr. weisselberg's lawyers have, you know, said that this was an incidental-fringe benefit. but when you look at the indictment, it -- we're not talking about a one-off school-tusch school-tuition payment. we are talking about 15 years -- >> over a million bucks. >> right. $1.7 million for mr. weisselberg. >> and so, it's interesting, they don't deny that there were benefits. it's -- yeah. >> deanna paul, thanks so much for being here. next hour, we are going to have george conway on, obviously, lawyer who knows the ins and outs, and by the way, once lived in a trump building who has some insight into how the trump organization works. also, a new letter obtained by cnn overnight reveals the damage to the condo in surfside, florida. it was so severe, last fall, that repair work was put on hold over concerns it could affect the stability of the surrounding structures. this comes, as the mayor of miami-dade county announced officials will likely have to
demolish what remains of the tower. cnn's tom foreman joins nous w us now with that information and tom, the ongoing risk. >> the risk is actually why they suspended search for a while. they restarted again in these three quadrants here. look at this. this is where the pool is. and this is that letter you were talking about obtained by "erin burnett outfront." this is october of 2020 from this consultant firm that was supposed to be doing this urgent repair on the place. and they are saying we could not do it because the areas of deteriorated concrete appeared to penetrate deep into the wall. they needed access to the pool to look at all of this. and they had to keep the pool open, so they couldn't do that. and, they said, there was severely-deteriorated concrete near the pool. and if they messed with it, they feared they could affect the stability of nearby structures. so, one of the things they did was an exploratory demolition, meaning they dug into the
concrete, the ground around the pool and on the pool deck to see what they could find. the initial work yielded -- look at this -- some curious results, as it pertained to the structural slabs' depth. it doesn't say what was curious about them or what those were. but we do know that a lot of attention has focused on this pool-deck area, around here. see this big collapse? big questions about whether this happened prior to the building coming down. or if it happened when the building came down. was this the origin of this? or result of the collapse? you can see it in a couple of different angles here, the collapsed area, back in here near the pool. and we know we had images below ground, very early on, of lots of water. people down there. you can see the collapsed nature of things. we also know we have those miami herald images from a few days before collapse. right next to the building that collapsed. showing below ground areas that seem to be in pretty rough shape. so, put all of that together. and it gives us some new clues to look at. we do know the delay that we are
talking about here in the search was caused because there was some sense of movement happening here. they were measuring it. slight movement in the concrete floor slabs on the south side that we are looking at. risk of things falling down and hitting support columns. alerts from devices that were monitoring cracks in the building. that's why they delayed the search. bottom line is when you look at this letter, when you look at the movement you have right now. you have people saying, what, there could be a real risk. there is an ongoing risk to the people who are doing the rescue work here. the -- the recovery work here. but there, also, may be a continuation, maybe, the thing that started the whole problem. and look at that building. look at all the damage there. there is a reason officials are saying this building, in all likelihood, cannot stand. that it will have to come down. and in truth, if you lived in a house and half of it looked like that after a storm went through or something terrible happened. you'd probably want to tear it down. so, john, really, very important clues that are coming out.
keep your eyes focused on the pool-deck area, and the substrata, everything that was going on underneath the building there because so many people who have looked at this, who are knowledgeable people, say the problem seems to have originated down low. from that pool area, back to the building. we will find out if that's actually the case. >> it really does seem, every piece of new evidence that comes out does point to that. and as to the search-and-rescue efforts, just to be clear, all the crews, they want to be out there. they want to be digging through the rubble. >> absolutely, not a question in the world. it's the hardest thing in the world for them to be told stand by and don't work. but they also can't get more people hurt or hurt anybody, who might still be alive by trying to move things around when things are unstable. >> exactly right. tom foreman, thank you so much for that. >> you're welcome. >> tom, thank you. president biden traveled to surfside, florida, thursday to offer comfort and solace to support the families of the victims in this building collapse. the mayor of surfside described an emotional moment, where president biden consoled a 12-year-old girl seen praying next to the rubble for her father, who remains unaccounted for.
the president spent nearly-three hours meeting, privately, with families and answering their questions about grief and closure. >> now, they had basic, heart-wrenching questions. will i be able to recover the body of my son or daughter? my husband? my cousin? my mom and dad? how can i have closure without being able to bury them? if i don't get the body, what do i do? >> president biden and the first lady ended the day at the memorial wall close to the site of the collapse. they saw many pictures of victims and written tributes, while the first lady added a bouquet of white flowers. joining me, now, is dr. shapiro. she is a clinical psychologist, a trauma expert, who has been offering counseling to family members and survivors affected by all of this. and you were in the room with the president, with the first lady. and you have been, doctor, with these families since day three. what was yesterday like?
>> yesterday, the same with every day. there's a lot of sadness, a lot of uncertainty. i think the families were somewhat comforted by president biden's words. there was a lot of connection from his suffering and his pain, into the families' suffering and pain, which was really, really nice. he didn't come and say all these promises and he really connected from a very sensitive place. that was very authentic and very generous. >> one of the things that i was so struck by is -- is that i heard he really discussed the stages of grief. and -- and how it's different, for everyone. >> yeah. i think that was very much on point. he was saying that, for grief, there -- there are several stages. and every person and every fa family will experience stages differently and we should be patient with each other in terms of, like, understanding and tolerating where everyone is,
what stage everyone is. and so, that was from a psychological perspective, very important. >> you helped families in the wake of 9/11. and i wonder, what similarities there are, now, that you're seeing? what lessons were learned from helping those families? for months to come, long after this is not, you know, in the leading headlines. but their grief remains. >> i know. unfortunately, i see a lot of similarities. and one of them is really the -- the -- -- the moment of shock. not being able to accept what's going on. the prolonged, ambiguous loss that these families are living right now when they are suspended in some sort of limbo when there's no answers, there's no response. and what -- something that we learned from 9/11 which is that when we first responded, the first-few days, we all wanted interventions and -- and making it better and talking to them. and in reality, what we were doing was re-traumatizing the
families because they kept telling the story, over and over and over, with no answer. now, we know that, first, we have to contain. we just have to be present. and it's only later, in the -- in the stages, later in the months and later in the years that people really start the healing process in a very different way. >> an important lesson to learn. dr. shapiro, we are so grateful for you this morning. thank you. well, still ahead. covid cases, sadly, on the rise in the united states. why? because of the highly-contagious delta variant. what's -- what this means for families with unvaccinated children. plus, the new government warning about the threat of domestic-extremist attacks this summer. fueled by qanon conspiracies. and another legal setback in britney spears' quest for freedom.
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a wealth management company is asking if it can resign as co-conservator following her emotional statement to the court last week. petitioned to have bessemer trust along with jamie spaers. this comes one day after the singer's request to remove her father, entirely, from the conservatorship. liz day is with us this morning. she is the co-producer of the documentary "framing britney." and a senior story editor for "the new york times." liz, thank you. you know this story, in and out. better than almost anyone, aside from those directly involved in it. what do you make of this latest development that -- that the bessemer trust is essentially saying it doesn't appear that our work, anymore, is in the best interest of the client and we want out? >> so, this was really surprising because the company noted, in their filing, that they have been told the conservatorship was voluntary. but that, britney's testimony last week was the first time they learned she does not want to be in it. so, the company said, you know, hey, we respect britney's
wishes. this is a big deal because some of the players involved, it really seems as if they are starting to, either, back away or point fingers at each other. and bessemer had not been fully plugged in, yet. but it appears as if the firm said, hey, you know, this is not worth it. >> all right. so if the judge allows them to -- to -- to depart this and i guess, they are a free agent in this. they can leave, right? then -- then, what? then, is it just her dad? >> it appears so. we don't know exactly what will happen. but it's very possible that britney will be back with just her father, jamie, as her sole conservator of the estate. so she's kind of back where she started. >> okay. let's talk about what the judge decided this week. because him saying, no, you still are under this conservatorship. that was not based, am i correct, on the testimony that she gave last week? technically. but did the judge consider that, in this decision? or was he not permitted to? >> no.
so, the decision that was made a day or two ago was, basically, just rubber stamping paperwork on a decision that had been made last fall. there is some confusion out there where people are interpreting this as a win for jamie but that's not the case. >> okay. so, what happens, then, with the testimony that she gave? saying, i'm not getting to live my life. i'm being forced to do things. i'm -- i can't have another child, for example. now what? >> so, britney's testimony really got the public's attention. but the court moves very slowly. her lawyer, still, has not submitted a petition to terminate the conservatorship. or even to remove her father permanently. >> so, may take a lot more time to see where this goes. liz day, thank you. a major supreme-court decision, as republican-led states move to restrict voting rights, how will democrats respond? in a rare showing of political armty in a time of
on the final day of the term, the supreme court effectively gave republican-led states a green light to impose new, restrictive measures on voting. the court's ruling came in an arizona case in which democrats challenged two voting restrictions. one requiring ballots cast at the wrong precinct to be thrown out. and one prohibiting campaign workers, activists, and others from collecting and returning ballots as groups. joining us now, dnc chair, jaime harrison. chairman, thanks so much for being with us. just broadly speaking, when you read that ruling, what was your reaction? >> well, it was a gut punch. it was appalling. and i think that justice kagan said in her dissent really crystallized what this is. she said that this was like pouring old poison into new bottles. we know what that old poison was. it's -- it's jim crow. it's -- it's, in essence, the reason why the voting rights act
was created, in the first place. to stop racial discrimination, as it relates to voting. we, also, know that, you know, john roberts has -- since he was a young lawyer in the reagan administration -- has been focused on chipping away at the voting rights act. but, john, you know, this is not a woe-is-me moment. this is a moment, in which the american people have to stand up. and the american people have to take back the power that they wield. you know, the most powerful people in this country aren't sitting on the supreme court. they are not senators on the floor of the united states senate or in the house. they're not legislators in our districts. it's the people in this country. we have to get folks registered in a way that they've never done before. we've got to get them mobilized, educate them on the issues and have them flood the ballot boxes next november. november, 2022. >> it strikes me, you are hitting on -- on the one thing that democrats can really do, now. if this is something that you
want to change, supreme court doesn't appear to be an avenue for you. congress, frankly, doesn't appear to be an avenue right now because the filibuster will not be overturned. you know there are states, led by republican governors and republican legislatures, that are not avenues for you. so, the only way you can change this, if you want to, is by getting people to vote. paradoxically, in a way. so, how are you going do that? >> well, that's what the dnc's working on right now. john, i have announced, over the -- the past few months, some of the largest investments ever that the dnc's ever made in midterm elections. we announced almost $43 million. 23 million going to our state parties to shore up the infrastructure there. going back to the 50 states, seven-territory strategy where all of our state parties are strong and operating, once again. we have also announced over $20 million and a lot of that will go into voter protection. we are putting voter protection staff in almost all of our states. last cycle, we had 33 states
with voter-protection directors. this cycle, the aim is 50 and we're doing it much earlier. so that we have people on the ground, who understand these nefarious laws that republicans are writing. and that they can make sure that the -- the -- the staffs and the people are equipped to -- to overcome these -- these very suppressive laws that we see in the states. >> separate but connected issue. again, the last day of the supreme court term and it really puts a focus on the makeup of the supreme court. justice stephen breyer is 82. he is one of the three so-called more-liberal justices. do you think it would be better for your interests, if breyer retired now, so that biden could put a nominee up and get it through a democratic-controlled senate while he has one? >> well, justice breyer is going to have to make that determination. i don't know him. i don't have any influence over him but he's going to have to make that determination whether or not it's time to hang it up. and -- and -- and allow somebody else to step in.
but if he doesn't decide to retire, i'm sure that president biden is ready and willing and able to put somebody on the court. and he has said that one of the first appointments that he will make will be an african-american woman. and -- and that will be an historic moment for -- for this country. >> i know it's his decision to make. but it sounds like you'd like him to make that decision. >> well, again, if he makes it, we'll move forward with it. if he doesn't, we'll -- we'll move forward with what we got. but it's -- control what you can control. we are going to mobilize and get voters out to -- to push back and send these people home who are trying to take away their rights. >> your grandmother sounds like a smart woman. jaime harrison, i appreciate you being with us. thanks so much. >> thank you, john. all right. a disturbing attack. a rabbi stabbed several times as anti-semitic assaults surge around the world. and the holiday travel, in full swing, already, as covid cases rise, though, in parts of
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one person is in custody after a rabbi was stabbed near a jewish day school in boston. police say the rabbi suffered nonlife threatening injuries when he was attacked near the school in the the city's neighborhood. he stuffer suffered stab wounds to his arm. police say their investigation is ongoing. it is not clear what motivated the attack. there has been an alarming rise in anti-semitism across the globe. in europe, where scars of the last essentially still fester. new incidents of hatred toward jews are increasing. cnn's melissa bell has more, from paris. [ speaking foreign language ]
>> reporter: elie rosen knows all about where hate can lead. his grandparents survived the holocaust. they always warned him to keep his head down because there might be more to come. last august, they were proved right. rosen with us was targeted, along with his synagogue in the austrian city. its walls made from the bricks of the synagogue destroyed in 1938 defaced. >> after this attack, those warnings of my grand parents have kind of flash back. and just made me very, very sorry, and brought tears to my heart and -- or to my face. >> reporter: two days later just outside the synagogue, rosen was chased by a man wielding a baseball bat. that managed to get back into his car, just in time. >> certainly, i was scared being physically attacked. is a dimension that is different
than being verbal attacked, which i am used to because anti-semitism has risen within the last year. >> reporter: in 2020, anti-semitic incidents in austria reached their highest level since the country began keeping records 19 years ago. and in germany, incidents rose as much as 30%, according to a german watchdog. much of the rise in both countries is being blamed on harsh covid-19 lockdown restrictions. protestors demonstrating against the restrictions held signs depicting forced vaccination by jews and two people in berlin were shouted at by a man who they believed blamed jews for the pandemic. >> i think that anti-semitic conspiracy myths have been there for centuries. and in fact, whenever there is a pandemic, they have come to the fore, again. >> reporter: across europe, anti-semitic attacks have been rising for years. from a deadly standoff in 2015
at a kosher supermarket in paris. to vienna, where four people were killed in a rampage outside the temple synagogue last year. and then, there is the desecration of jewish graves, like these, in eastern france. in brussels, this rabbi now wears a baseball cap when he goes out to hide his very identity. of course, i wear a yarmulke at home, he says. but outside, i prefer to cover my head, less conspicuously. it's not healthy, he explains, to live in an atmosphere of fear, and where you feel hunted. i think that, as well as being vigilant, we must tackle the evil at the root of the problem. and that is about being different. the holocaust killed an estimated 6 million jews in europe. but as living memory gives way to fading footage, so denial grows and hate speech returns. as well as the tension around covid lockdowns, the violence
between israel and hamas in the middle east in may, also, drove hate towards jews across europe. like here, in berlin. or in brussels, where the chants spoke of ancient battles between jews and muslims. >> you do see a cyclical increase in -- in expressions of anti-semitism and also anti-semitic violence linked to events in the middle east. but if we look more broadly at the phenomenon of anti-semitism in europe, we see that it's much older and also much wider. and it -- it's really a european issue. >> reporter: the hate is, also, spreading online, according to human rights watch. horrific cartoons, like this one, depicting jews with a big-hook nose. or this one, in france, of a conspiracy theory blaming jews for the pandemic. and shared, he says mistakenly, by a candidate in recent regional elections.
the european commission has a deal with tech companies to remove offensive content, within-24 hours. but only once it's been alerted. this is the memorial in the very heart of vienna to the 65,000 austrian jews who were deported during world war ii. most did not survive. it's a reminder of where words and conspiracy theories can lead. but it's, also, a reminder of europe's own, very violent, homegrown history of anti-semitism. and anti-semitism that has never quite disappeared. prayers continue to be heard all over europe. from the center of paris, to the old temple synagogue in vienna. elie rosen says that his grandparents' approach of keeping a low profile after the holocaust was understandable, but ultimately, misguided. european jews keeping their heads down, he says, has not
prevented anti-semitism from rearing its head, once again. >> contrary to -- to my grandparents, i will tell my son or i will tell young-jewish people to be proud of being jewish. >> reporter: john, what surprised us most in putting together this report is just how much worse the pandemic has made things. all of that anger driven so much faster than it was before by the internet, by social networks and this, of course, at a time when nine out of ten jews here in europe feel, john, according to a commission by the european commission -- according to a survey, i'm sorry -- that anti-semitism is getting worse in their countries. it means that just 80 years after the holocaust began, on the continent in which it happened, a lifetime. it's all it's taken for people to begin to forget, john. >> really, one of history's great tragedies.
at any time, there is a difficulty, it is exploited once again in the cause of anti-semitism. melissa bell, really terrific report. thank you so much for that. >> certainly, wise. all right. the department of homeland security issuing a bulletin to state and local law enforcement. warning of increasing opportunities for violent-extremist attacks this summer. fueled by misinformation, included in that bulletin, concerns that qanon-conspiracy theorists could promote the idea that former-president trump will return to power in august. jay johnson is with me. former secretary of homeland security under president obama. mr. secretary, thank you for your time this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> i wish it were on better news but this is the reality. our colleague, donie o'sullivan, went to the trump rally in ohio over the weekend. and one of trump's supporters said we are going to be in a civil war. and that supporter was not alone. how big is this threat? >> the temperature is high, right now. there was a poll released about a month ago. that indicated that a full-15% of americans ascribe to the qanon theory that our
government, the media, the financial world is run by satanic-worshipping pedophiles. 15%. that is one-in-six americans. the temperature is high right now. the threat of domestic-based violent extremism is high right now. that -- that pot of water boiled over, on january 6th. and there's no reason to suspect that it's over. that may have been the tip of the iceberg. >> it is -- that's an extraordinary number -- it's not new. and this form, it's relatively new. but you confronted it when -- when you were secretary, in terms of violent extremism. and our whitney wild, our colleague who covers this extensively, said to me the other day on the air, how do you stop a thought? and that really is key here. how do you stop a thought? >> much of it is derived from misinformation on social media. without a doubt. we live in an environment, now, where the internet can bring the entire world to the palm of your hand. but there are, also, downsides.
people are allowed to believe what they want to believe about the world because they can go to places on social media that do nothing more than reaffirm their own biases, and their own suspicions. >> it's not just that, though. it's, also, elected members of congress, the former president. i mean, it -- last night, on -- anchoring for erin burnett, i had mike shields on. he is a paid-political strategist for kevin mccarthy. and i want you to listen to something that he said to me in our conversation about why kevin mccarthy will not support any form of a commission to investigate january the 6th. he said this. listen. >> as -- as a campaign operative, as a republican, i'm kind of glad. if the democrats want to run on '22 about january 6th which affects no one's lives in this country every day. republicans are going to run on securing the border. >> wait, hold on. january 6th affects no one's lives in this country? >> this -- this commission is not going to affect people's
lives. >> is that -- but -- >> so, i mean, when you hear that and i said, well, just look at the warnings from dhs and from fbi. but -- but -- but that is a belief among elected members of congress. what do you do with that? >> elected members of congress. people who command a microphone, who have a public voice, have a responsibility to be responsible in their rhetoric. and not simply pander to a certain base. the -- the reason why it's so important, by the way, to study january 6th is not so much to pursue any political agenda. january 6th revealed real cracks in the command-and-control relationships in our government, when it comes to securing the u.s. capitol for events, like counting the electoral-college votes. and it's incumbent upon our government, now, to study how that was allowed to happen, and how it can -- we can avoid happening -- it happen again. and it's disappointing that congress cannot get together on a bipartisan basis to simply
appoint a commission of ten americans. five democrats, five republicans. to study that issue. >> yeah. let's turn to -- to the southern border, because you have republican governors -- multiple republican governors, now, sending what they are calling support to the border. at the request of the governors of arizona and texas. some states sending national guard. you have got christy gnome in south dakota sending, privately funding from a privately-funded donor sending some of them. political stunt? what is this? >> so let's start with this. um, the government should never be funded by private interest. the government -- our government at, whether it's the state or local level or the national level, should never be beholden to private interests funding activities, like this. second, even when the national government requests our guard to go to the southern border. even when it's a request coming from dhs, very often they get there and there is a bit of a
head scratch about what they are supposed to do. typically, they're not trained to do so. they are not trained to arrest and interdict migrants. >> uh-huh. >> and so, yes, it is a bit -- it is a political stunt, in my judgment. having 25 or 50 members of the national guard from south dakota go to arizona and texas. they are probably wondering just why am i going? and these are people, who are patriotic americans, who have private lives.their own states definitely the situation on the southern border is troubling. 180,000 a month is way too high. president answer to that problem, and it is a problem, is not just simply bringing 25 people or 50 people from south dakota or other parts of our country to do something that they're not sure about. >> secretary johnson, thank you for your time on both topics
this morning. >> thank you. >> it's good to see you in person. >> thank you. we now know who will be tasked with investigating the insurrection on january 6. congress. one of the democrats just named to the select committee will join us. and breaking news. the last u.s. troops based at the air base in afghanistan departed overnight. a milestone. cnn is live in afghanistan next.
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>> right. i mean, so this is going to be the question. is this a sort of blip that we're seeing here, or is this an indication of what's to come? are we going to see greater increases in the overall number of cases? but also importantly as we've talked about for more than a year now, will we then see a corresponding increase in hospitalizations and possibly even deaths. we don't know yet. we're not seeing that yet because i think we know that if you're vaccinated, you are very well protected. let me show you the graph of what's happened. as you mentioned, 10% over this past week, but still a significant, significant drop over where we are -- where we were at the beginning of the year. when you talk about delta variant -- i want to show you this next graph. we have granular and what's happening in florida, for example. bottom line is this. if you are in a community where you are surrounded by primarily unvaccinated people, that is where the delta variant is spreading the fastest. that is the red line you see there on that graph.
if you are unvaccinated living among unvaccinated, that's the worst possible situation. vaccinated among vaccinated is the best situation. if you're vaccinated, that's great. but who is around you. >> for sure. earlier, sanjay, this week, health officials in l.a. recommended that everyone, vaccinated or not, wear face masks inside public places and yet dr. fauci told cnn the other night for the most part, if you're vaccinated, you don't need one. so that leaves me and i think a lot of our viewers scratching our heads. who do we believe, what do we do? >> you know, i think in l.a. county they're using the precautionary principle here. as we tried to say throughout this past year and a half, we need to be data driven here. we're looking it data. if you start to look at data and you're seeing numbers crop up in your area, that may be an indication. right now there's about a thousand counties in the united states where vaccination rates
are 30% or lower. so in those counties, if you have a lot of unvaccinated people and you're seeing numbers go up, that may be an indication that, you know, if you're in public places, you're more likely to come in contact with the virus. so i'll give you a scenario. for example, in new york where you are, the state vaccination rates are 54, 55%. that's the total number of adults that are vaccinated. where i am in georgia, it's closer to 36%. i'm vaccinated. improbably more likely to come in contact with people who are unvaccinated than you are, so if i'm going into a big crowded setting with lots of unvaccinated people, i might put a mask on. i carry a mask with me. the public health docs at hopkins are vaccinated. when they're in public places they wear masks. it sort of depends a bit your vaccination status and where you live. >> so, sanjay, obviously it's
the 4th of july weekend. happy birthday, america. people are going to celebrate o one way or another. how should people approach it safely? >> all right. let's look at these factors to consider. i think, you know, first of all your vaccination status is probably the most important thing. we know the vaccines are really protective. we've seen the data. we've seen real world data. these are among the most studied therapeutics on the planet so we have real good data on that. look at the center of the screen there. your own personal vaccination stats, but also community transmission rate and community vaccination rate. you should probably take some time to look at this for your community. we should be doing this anyways. make it like something you look at like you look at the weather. let me show you a map, for example, of overall transmission in the country. what does it look like where you are versus other places? so i just mention, for example, where you guys are in new york versus where i am. so already we know the vaccination status overall where you are is much higher.
it's not that herd immunity that we talk when in terms of vaccination, but you also see a lot of blue up where you are, overall viral transmission is lower. where i am, lower vaccination rates and higher transmission. so outdoors, if you're watching the fireworks outdoors, i think you're fine. we know now the virus doesn't spread very well outdoors. but if you're in one of these areas, again, with low vaccination rates, you can find this data yourself. low vaccination rates in high viral transmission carry a mask. if you're going to be in a situation where you just don't know the people around you, you're not sure, you may be having a lot of unvaccinated people around you, you're going to be at higher risk. if you're vaccinated, you're at very low risk of getting in ventur nexted, low risk of spreading it. this is the situation we're dealing with. do i carry an umbrella when i think it might rain outside. i think it's best to be