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thank you for watching. time for don lemon tonight and its big star d. lemon. >> well, can you call this bipartisanship? >> what we're doing right now? >> no, no. this is called -- >> jacked and nonjacked. >> why would you call yourself nonjacked? i know you've been eating a lot and you've gained a lot of weight during quarantine but i
wouldn't call you nonjack. but i'm talking about ron desantis, the governor of florida and the president of the united states. tonight and having a cordial meeting, complimenting each other, saying we live in a world where people should get along. desantis saying he's got all the resources. the president was nice and the president stopping to talk to everybody and he apologized because, i mean, what a difference a year makes. but anyways, go on. this is how it should be. >> the job should come first. you have absect tragedy, trauma, a community that has no time for pettiness. they are dealing with the heaviest of human consequence. and i'll tell you what i like about it. is that everybody is doing this the right way including the media. nobody is magnifying fringe fools on twitter and saying some don't like it, some don't like it. shut them down. this is the time for the big voices, not to make the most of
the least. and desantis should do his job, and that's taking care of his people. and you should want the federal government to help with that. and biden treating desant like he's anybody else is exactly what he should do. >> i know i said that wrong. that just goes to show you that we're no longer -- i should say we're living in a world now where you have to compliment someone for doing their job. and it wasn't that way for so long, and we shouldn't have to do that because this is exactly how it should be. and guess what? right now you just said it, the fringes. i can't believe -- why's he talking to him that way, i'm talking about everyone, democrats and republicans. why is joe biden being so nice to desantis? why is desantis being so nice to joe biden? it shouldn't matter. again, we've been telling people rightly so to follow the science, to believe in science, to believe in the vaccines because that's what the scientists tell us, what dr.
fauci tells us, what all the legitimate doctors are telling us. they should be with their families, be outside and enjoy their lives and they're doing it. i think it's great we're actually seeing that happening from both a democrat and a republican. and i think democrats and republicans in general except for those radical fringe voices, and i hope this weekend quite frankly everyone gets out and enjoy the weekend. and they also tune into cnn to watch me and my colleagues dana bash and victor blackwell, ana cabrera. we're going to be hosting the fourth of july coverage and celebrating. >> i love it. i love the plan for the coverage. i love we're going big with it this year, and i also hope people can just subscribe -- let's not get too deep with it. just a simple existential pragmatism. are you able to defend yourself if you hate yourself? no is the answer. we have to remember at the end
of the day you can disagree but you have to do it with decency because we're all part of the same cause. we've seen it in the worst of the situations. this is the best of how they behaved today, and it was a good thing. >> i wish everyone could do this. i should have gotten our producers to do that. you see that? that's me and you. that's this weekend. that was this past weekend. >> in black and white. >> in black and white. >> odd at a pride party you decided to go in black and white. >> right, of all things it should be in color. >> look, it was nice. the more we celebrate the right things, the more we do the right thing, that can become contagious as well. i love you, d. lemon. >> l.a., you the most. i won't be sitting in this chair tomorrow because my entire family is at my house now. i've already gotten reports from my niece what things have been broken already, who's leaving the door open, letting the flies in, all kinds of things, setting the alarms off. but i love every second of it
but i'll take it because i haven't seen them in almost two years. >> i'm ready to take your mom on on all host of topics she brings my way. >> you're going to be seeing a lot of us. chris, let me ask you something, chris. take my sunglasses off, chris. i love you. got to get to the news. this is don lemon tonight. thanks so much for joining us. and on the day president joe biden goes to florida to console families, rescuers continue to search in the rubble of that collapsed condo, you know what his predecessor really got some bad news in a new york courtroom today. we've never seen anything like this, you guys. never seen anything like this. a former president's family business and its chief financial officer charged with a 15-year alleged tax scheme. cfo allen weisselberg led into court in handcuffs today. prosecutors charging the company with ten counts and weisselberg
with 15 counts in an alleged scheme to defraud, conspiracy, criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records. weisselberg also charged with grand larceny. now, the former president, the former trump fixer and keeper of secrets i should say, michael cohen, who knows a thing or two about taking the fall saying this today. >> what you have right now is allen weisselberg's head on the chopping block. and do you think that donald trump will protect him? well, if allen looks back at what happened to me the answer an emphatic no. >> remember what he told congress about how his boss made his wishes known, how he made sure people knew what he wanted them to do? >> he doesn't give you questions. he doesn't give you orders. he speaks in a code. and i understand the code because i've been around him for a decade. >> so here's what you should know. the former president is not
charged with anything right now, but his pride and joy, his company is. and his attitude about paying taxes is well-known. remember this? >> the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> he said it right there. and now the family business that bears his name is charged with criminal tax fraud. add to it to the list i should say of trump university, trump stakes, trump casinos and on and on. and then there's the big lie alive and well with republican deniers, fighting to sweep the capitol insurrection that could have killed them under the rug. and here's what they're so afraid to look into, okay? we have newly released body cam videos tonight showing what happened in that tunnel on
january 6th as police fended off a mob of rioters. you see the violent standoff with an officer's bloodied hands visible. and i'm telling you this now, this is a warning, okay. if you have kids or whatever we're not bleeping it because we want you to see the full context. here it is. . >> back up. back up. sir, let go of the door and leave the capitol. back up. stop, stop. stop, stop. stop. look at me. stop. back up. >> so there you go. you know, tourists, patriots.
you should be all of those things. because you know what? that is what the gop is so afraid to investigate. they're afraid of a disgraced, twice impeached one-term former president. they're playing a disgusting game of see no evil over a select committee to investigate january 6th. i don't want to see it. i don't want to see it and i don't want to hear it. didn't happen, never happened. patriots, tourists. the committee liz cheney was appointed to today along with seven democrats, by the way. >> i think it's clear to all the people on this committee that our oath to the constitution, our duty, our dedication to the rule of law and to peaceful transfer of power has to come above any concern about partisanship or about politics. >> so kevin mccarthy now denying he threatened to pull committee
assignments from any republicans like liz cheney who accepted an offer from nancy pelosi to serve even though two gop sources tell cnn he did exactly that. adam kinzinger who voted for the committee along with liz cheney reacted to mccarthy's threat telling reporters, quote -- i'm going to say it because i've already warned about language. telling reporters, quote, who gives a shit. mccarthy saying this today. >> let me be very clear, i'm not threatening anybody with committee assignments. what i'm saying is it was shocking to me that if a person is a republican, they get their committee assignments from the republican conference. for somebody to accept committee assignments from speaker pelosi, that's unprecedented. >> now isn't that special? isn't that interesting because i
know i remember a guy just one week after trump supporting rioters ran wild at the capitol beating police to within an inch of their lives and hunting lawmakers in the halls of congress -- i remember a guy saying this. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action from president trump. accept a share of responsibility, quell the bruling unrest and ensure president-elect biden is able to successfully begin his term. and the president's immediate action also deserves congressional action, which is why i think a fact finding commission and a censure resolution would be prudent. >> it's so interesting because i find myself talking to myself when i play these sound bites.
i said who is that guy? does he have any core? he says one thing one minute and next minute he says something else. contradictory, hypocritical. what or who is he so afraid of that he's now threatening members with losing their committee assignments? look at what he tolerates from them. paul gosar apparently plans and claims he didn't know anything about it a fund-raising appearance with a holocaust denier and white supremacist even though he has appeared to defend the appearance in a tweet saying and i quote here, "not sure why anyone is freaking out." he tolerates a qanon congresswoman who's still pushing the big lie, who compared mask requirements on the house floor to the holocaust. who blamed wildfires on jewish space lasers, who before she ran repeatedly expressed support for executing top democrats.
he tolerates her. he tolerates matt gaetz who's under doj investigation over allegations involving federal sex trafficking, prostitution, and public corruption laws and whether he allegedly had sex with a minor. he tolerates moe brooks who whipped up the crowd ahead of the capitol insurrection just before they stormed the capitol with the goal of hanging the vice president. kevin mccarthy tolerates them, but he can't tolerate any republican standing up for the truth about one of the darkest days in american history. and let's face it, the last thing most republicans want to serve on the january 6 is to serve on the january 6th committee in spite of all their whining about this being partisan. that is one of our most sacred rights as americans is under increasing assault with conservatives on the supreme court basically gutting voting
rights. never thought i'd see that in all my years. upholding arizona's restrictive new voting laws and signaling they would like -- likely side with other states passing new voting restrictions in the name of preventing bogus voter fraud, ie, the big lie. the highest court in the land gutting voting rights as states across the country are passing restrictive laws targeting voters of color while congress sits on its hands totally unable to get anything done on the john lewis act or the for the people act. in the face of all that, the president of the united states, joe biden, a consoler in chief going down to florida as rescuers search for any sign of the missing more than a week after that condo collapsed in the middle of the night. and as questions loom over what caused that disaster. the president promising the feds
will cover the cost of the search and the rescue for 30 days. and apologizing for being late for his speech because he stopped to talk to everybody who wanted to hear from him. >> i apologize for taking so long to get here because i thought it was important to speak to every single person who wanted to speak to me. jill and i wanted them to know that we're with them and the country's with them. our message today is that we're here for you as one nation, as one nation. and that's the message we communicated. >> one nation. that's the president's message tonight. one nation under god with liberty and justice for all. too bad republicans don't seem to be listening. you know the former president's family business and its chief financial officer facing criminal charges right now.
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the breaking news now. tonight the trump organization and the company's chief financial officer accused of an alleged 15-year tax scheme. unheard of, right, in the history of this country. among the charges conspiracy and criminal tax fraud. the trump organization calling the case political prosecution. the former president was not charged, by the way. a lot to discuss. matthew dowd is here, a former chief strategist for president george w. bush, cnn political commentator amanda carpenter here as well. good evening to both of you. matthew, it's not every day that a former president's company is criminally charged. what does that say about where we are right now? >> well, i think it's imminently predictable that donald trump is who's lived this life in this exceedingly corrupt manner and who everybody around him seems to constantly get indicted or plead guilty to various crimes. he's had the most indicted or guilt ridden white house since we've had probably since teapot
dome, much more since watergate. so it doesn't surprise me at all. i think the question remains is, you know, in many ways weisselberg the little fish, are you going to get the big fish? and the big fish is obviously former president trump. he's managed to escape for four decades on things. will he still escape through this, and that's still an open question. >> the trump org cfo hauled off to jail in cuffs. hundreds of insurrectionists facing charges. but the man at the center of it all being protected by republicans to the point where they don't even want to investigate attempts on their own lives. i want to ask you what's next, but i'm sure even you can't figure that out as bright and -- that you are. >> here's how the conversation should move forward. yes, politically, the most interesting question on both fronts is how does this lead up to trump because there's still
this deep hunger for some kind of accountability. that's not what moves the ball forward, though. those actually aren't the most important questions. when it comes to the trump org, when i look at that i wonder how many other trump organizations are there. we should be having a discussion about tax avoidance and fairness and how come there's a different set of rules for the rich that screw over the little guy again and again and again? how come these kids were able to go to the finest schools paying with tax free dollars when other people struggle? that is how you politically move the ball in a way that moves past trump in a way that's positive for everyone. the same thing with the insurrection. yes, donald trump should be held accountable, but right now this question is much bigger than trump. it is about our democracy. it gets to the question of voting rights. when you vote should it be able to count? those insurrectionists and everyone who supported them were trying to cancel votes for joe biden and overturn the will of
the people. these are the kind of big discussions that started under trump but need to be bigger, broader and more inclusive going forward. >> are you saying that the republican party is now the party of cancellation, of canceling people? >> listen, the willingness to cancel votes that started with attorney general ken paxton's lawsuit, that he tried to take to the supreme court that got the support of many other attorneys general, many other members of congress including kevin mccarthy and a number of conservative organizations, that is a bright line. that laid the ground work for a lot of stop the steal and laid the groundwork for january 6th. we should have a principle promise to one another that we all have the right to vote, and when we do it will count. and no one should be able to take that away from you. >> speaking of january 6th because amanda mentioned it, matthew, when it comes to that date and the commission and the gop's attacks on voting rights, your advice to democrats go full
partisan on this and make the truth your north star. explain to me what does that mean? >> well, it means that the constant struggle in this moment to constantly show yourself as bipartisan is a fool's errand. they have a partner now in washington, d.c. that is unwilling to tell the truth, that is unwilling to support our democracy except for a very few exceptions, very few exceptions who are unicorns in the gop right now. so there's no partner in this. every time we talk about bipartisanship, bipartisanship, we move further and further away from what the truth is. and the truth is and i totally agree with amanda on this, is holding people accountable. i think we focus way too much on donald trump because where we are today is we have a legacy party, the gop today that has adopted wholesale all of what he has pushed. and they themselves push the lie, and they themselves are actually taking it steps further than donald trump took it in 2020 and in 2018.
and so i think the conversation is what do we do as a country when it a major political party no longer believes in democracy as it stands? and so that's -- i think that's the question now. and i think democrats should give up on this idea of bipartisanship, just forget it and just basically say we're going to do what's right for the country. and if that means it's democrat versus republican, we're going to do what's right. and remember the 14th and 15th amendments to the united states constitution were completely partisan. and that's the only way they were able to get through. so the standard that others want to apply today back then we would have never had the 14th and 15th amendment. so i say democrats highlight this, go big and just go as far as you possibly can to get to the truth. >> well, amanda, you're talking about other people. he said we focus on trump a lot. let's talk about the leaders in the republican party. in your latest piece for the bulwark, you eviscerate gop
leader kevin mccarthy and his record on trump, the insurrection and this committee. mccarthy went as far as threatening to strip republicans of their committee assignments if they accepted pelosi's offer to serve on the commission. that's according to republican sources. what is he so afraid of? >> well, this is going to blow back on him and his party. i mean when kevin mccarthy complains about partisanship, it's a joke. he is the biggest partisan there is in washington. if you look at his record when it comes to january 6, right, like he voted twice to not certify the election in joe biden's favor. he refused to impeach donald trump for inciting the riot. he refused to support a bipartisan commission. he refused to support a select committee. and he punished liz cheney once. he's going to try to punish her twice now because she refused to mouth the big election lie. i mean he loves parttisanship.
he loves partisanship more than his country. at this point. i still consider myself a republican but i'm not a blind partisan shch neither is liz cheney or a whole lot of other people who need a place to go and serve as a stop against this horrible, terrible impulse. >> amanda, matthew, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. charged with running a 15-year scheme to dodge taxes. inside the trump organization's indictment after this. we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way at carvana.
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weisselberg and other executives evade taxes on perks and bonuses. laura, hello to you. it's criminal tax fraud, conspiracy, falsifying business records, no taxes on perks like a rent-free apartment and mercedes cars. are these significant charges? >> these are very significant charges. originally people thought these would be about fringe benefits, and of course they tried to be dismissive about that. the idea of are you really going to try to charge someone for fringe benefits? now it's not the fringe. it's the fraud that's involved. the intent to defraud the tax paying members of the state of new york. the combination of the attorney general in new york letitia james with the manhattan d.a.'s office who you'll recall went all the way to the supreme court twice to try to ascertain the tax information from donald trump and the organization. and now we see here it wasn't just a matter of a few mistaken filings perhaps but the idea of
intentional fraudulent behavior to not pay the taxation that's owed. this all allegations, of course. there's still a presumption of innocence. but the weight of these charges is significant. we're talking about some of them double digit in statutory numbers in terms of the amount of time he could actually serve. it's very serious. >> so the indict talks about weisselberg not reporting nearly $360,000 in tuition payment on his taxes. from 2012 to 2017 and as part of the scheme to defraud trump personnel including weisselberg arranged tuition expenses for weisselberg's family members to be arranged by personal checks drawn on the account from and signed by donald j. trump. signed by trump. what do you take from that, laura? >> well, we know with michael cohen and his earlier statement and others earlier today that nothing really got done in that
office without the real consent of donald trump. and of course allen weisselberg is the highest ranking member of the organization who doesn't have the last name trump. he's not a low ranking official who would just be taking orders and just be delegating. he also is able to receive those orders. the reason it's important about who signed it if that's in fact true is that's a matter of, look, if you truly are just taking orders and answering information based on what you're being told and you have no reason to believe that it's fraudulent or it's illegal what you're doing, then you've got the notion do you really have the intent you need to prove these crimes? but again here talking about a very high ranking official. and here's why it's important, don. you're talking about not just paying someone's tuition or paying for a car or an apartment. it's about not putting that in the column of salary. it's about not putting these things in the taxable income bracket that allows the state of new york to be able to collect or at the federal level. if you're essentially moving
around assets to avoid tax liability you are committing a crime. now, of course, the organization has also been charged. they don't have -- they're not a person. the corporation is really just symbolically a collection of papers. but allen weisselberg, he could actually go to prison, which means that there's now an incentive for him to potentially cooperate if that discussion has not already been exhausted. >> so let's talk about this indictment. it says the company had two sets of books to keep track of all of weisselberg's hidden cash and other benefits. what are the chances he was the only one to be paid this way? >> probably a snowball's chance in hell that's actually the case, don. i mean the idea here is probably a theme overall. and maybe the extent of the perks is just not the same. maybe he had some additional benefits. but if the m.o., which is what they're going to have to try to prove as well as to why the organization has been charged and him individually but also acting as his agent is that this
was the m.o. of the organization in some form or fashion, that they were doing this as a way to proactively avoid paying taxes and committing other acts. again, these are all allegations that have to be proved up, but the investigation is still going on. we heard a statement fruletitia james, the a.g. there, who said it's still ongoing. and there's a special grand jury, don, that can still meet up to three times a week up to the end of this year. so this might be the beginning of the beginning. this might not be the manu traction or the end of the road. this might actually be the launchpad for other information to come in about who else may for benefitted this way, who else knew, or potentially who knew and could be acted on criminally. >> all right, laura coats, i appreciate that. thank you so much. the supreme court giving a green light to red states to impose more voting restrictions.
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so the supreme court's conservative majority further gutting the voting rights act in a 6-3 decision today upholding two provisions of an arizona voting law. the high court allowing the state's election officials to toss out ballots cast in person at the wrong polling locations. and letting arizona keep its restrictions on ballot collection or so-called ballot harvesting, making the practice illegal. it's a blow for progressives to argue these laws disproportionately target black and brown voters. joining me now to discuss is cornell west, the chair at union thelogical seminary. that's quite a title and quite a résumé and quite a brain. so thank you, sir.
i appreciate you joining us. good evening to you. >> always a blessing to be with you, my brother. >> if the voting rights act is now essentially moot, professor, as some are saying, what protects our right to vote now? >> we have no significant protections, and you read that brilliant reflection of sister kagen where she says we now have law-free zones, that we're now at a fork in the road when it comes to equal citizenship. what that means, brother don, you and i have always known white supremacy has been the many headed serpent wrapped around the legs of the table of the united states. we lost in 2013 with shelby two of the legs of the table under. now we've got a third leg that is for the most part no longer operative. we are reaching the point where the white supremacist, jim crow sensibility are devouring the very energies and souls of any
democratic possibility. because if you don't have equal citizenship, equal access to vote, you don't even have a -- democracy let alone a full-scale democracy. so we're in a very dim moment right now. which means congress must hit the ground running. there must be federal minimal standards for voting across the board. states rights will not do it. states rights is nothing but another language for white supremacist subordination of black and brown and indigenous people, of not allowing us to have access to equal citizenship. >> i think the camera is to your left, if you can turn to your left a little bit. right there. there you go. >> okay, i'm sorry. i should have been looking away because it's so painful to talk about just how ugly this situation is. >> i get you. i want everybody to see that
face so they can see the emotion and feeling in your face. you have a great voice. justice elena kagen seeming to suggest in her sidedescenting opinion today congress needs to act on this issue. right now the for the people act going nowhere in the senate. are you worried we're seeing the chance to slip away if congress doesn't do something? >> you're right, brother. it's a sign of the spiritual decay and moral decrepitude, the callusness, too much indifference in the heart, too much greed in the brain. and never forget what the great rabbi had to say about racism. what did he say? it's a form of satanism. it's the devil in us, the devil in america, the devil in institutions that can't keep track of the rich humanity and
creativity and potentiality of black people and brown people and indigenous people and asians. that's what sister kagen was actually accenting. i think she hit the nail on the head. and it's a cry into darkness. and i'm not always as you know -- i'm not always in cahoots and coinciding with some of my supreme court judges even when they're liberal. but she's telling the truth in what she had to say, i'll tell you that. >> yeah. i don't know if you saw this earlier. we're going to play it for you. this is joe manchin on with chris cuomo earlier. he's saying he sees the way to push back. here it is. watch this. >> we're going to have to rewrite the formula, and that's what we should have been doing all along. john lewis voting rights act is going to be the vehicle, i believe, that we can put some guardrails back onto where people have fair elections, open elections and they're secured.
>> okay, what do you think? he's saying he still wants to work with republicans to get it done. there's a choice now between a filibuster or democracy. what do you think as well? >> some of my favorite folk i know from west virginia. but i must say he's going to have to get off his symbolic crack pipe, too. that you're going have to do away with the filibuster in order to get any work done because you've got a right wing party that's authoritarian that has no commitment to democratic processes, no commitment to democratic values. and then at the same time you've got democrats who run around talking about being bipartisan but for the most part they lack a backbone. they don't have enough fight, and then they've got conservative elements in their party who stand in the way. so we're really at an impasse, my brother, a serious impasse. and we're not even talking about
the wealth inekquality, the militarism abroad, the degrees to which citizens are losing trust in one another, losing the ability to even have a heightened vulnerability and sense of community. that leads toward the end your, our democratic process, brother. it's very, very sad but we must keep fighting and we've got to continue telling the truth. we've got to continue to fight against the cullisness, the indifference and most importantly wave got to accent across the common humanity regardless of race, orientation or national identity. >> i always learn from you and so does our audience. thank you, professor. be well. >> you stay strong, my brother. >> thank you. you as well. facebook promising to stop the flow of misinformation and conspiracies, but take this. their solution isn't stopping the information from spreading.
so is someone you know turning into an extremist? facebook is asking that exact question of people who use the platform. check this out. some of the social site's users here in the u.s. are being served a prompt that asks, if they are worried about someone they might know who are being extremist or exposed to extremist content. facebook has come under scrutiny, intense scrutiny, really, from critics for not taking enough action to curtail extremist content on its platform. the company's own independent
oversight board urged the company to investigate the role the company played in the january 6th insurrection. the extremism is not the only problem for facebook right now. there's whole lot of misinformation too. the white house chief of staff says he talked to facebook's boss mark zuckerberg about it. ron klain says he raised the issue of covid-19 lies on the plat for me. >> i think facebook itself has built a number of tools to help people find vaccines and so on and so forth. but i've told mark zuckerberg directly that when we gather groups of people who are not vaccinated and we ask them why aren't you vaccinated and they tell us things that are untrue, and we ask where they've heard that, the most common answer is facebook. >> so facebook has promised to do better at stopping the flow of misinformation and conspiracy theories and it's on them now to follow through. next, indicted. the trump organization and its
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tonight the trump organization and the company's chief financial officer, allen weisselberg, charged with an alleged 15-year tax scheme. the charges include conspiracy and criminal tax fraud. the trump organization claiming the case is a political prosecution. the former president was not charged. on capitol hill, house speaker nancy pelosi pointing gop congresswoman liz cheney to the committee that will investigate the insurrection. president biden and the first lady have traveled to surfside, florida to meet with
emergency workers at the condo collapse and families of the still missing. jennifer, the former president's crown jewel, the trump organization, and their cfo charged in an alleged 15-year tax fraud scheme. even though we knew something was coming, the details are cre incredible. apartments, cars, private school tuition, all off the books. >> yeah, that's right. and listen, there's still a lot of open questions including about what happened to the other parts of the investigation we've been hearing about. but this particular tax fraud scheme is much stronger than i had anticipated given the reporting out of the last couple of weeks. it's a serious offense. 15 years this has been going on. this is not just about allen weisselberg and his son themselves orchestrating this