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and weisselberg himself, they're saying 1$1.3 million he didn't pay taxes on. >> let's discuss all of this with donald trump's former personal attorney michael cohen who has been listening in to all of these developments. michael, great to see you. your reaction to what you've heard? >> there's nothing that has been said that i couldn't have scripted out in advance of the trump organization's counsel, whether it was alan or the other attorney. he's been saying this witch hunt language since he took office. no one is allowed to investigate donald unless donald tells you he's allowed to be investigated.
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everybody needs to read through the indictment instead of skimming through it. what you're going to find is the that alan weisselberg is in substantially greater jeopardy than he was last night. i've seen this before and i want to say it to you as well. there's a big difference between when you're under investigation and when you're under indictment. the next step for alan weisselberg and possibly his children is prison. we already saw the numbers by your group before of seven years for each of the 15 counts. that's 105 years. nobody believes that he's going to get 105 years, but even three, like i was charged with, it's a long time. that feeling of the handcuffs or shackles or however else they paraded him through, that's real and he knows the reality now a lot greater than he did yesterday. >> michael, because you've been in this very position in terms of being indicted and knowing
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the difference between an investigation and an indictment, what we've learned, at least from what has leaked out in media reports, is that alan weisselberg was not interested in cooperating up until now. do you think today something changes? >> yeah. i mean, he would be crazy not to. right now his life is on the line. he's 74 years old. he gets three years, five years, whatever it is, that's realtime when you're in your golden years. he doesn't want to be away from his wife and sons and grandchildren. he wants to be with his family. he wants to go down to boynton beach and enjoy the rest of his life, not hanging out with other inmates whether it's otisville. one of the members of your panel made a statement which is very
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true. what you have right now is alan weisselberg's head on the chopping block. do you think that donald trump will protect him? if alan looks back at what happened to me, the answer is an emphatic no. he's going to pay the legal bills up until he gets tired of paying the legal bills because it's too much money, why am i paying for everybody's bills and then he's going to cut him off. it's no different than what he did to me. first they bring you in, they hug you, they tell you everything's going to be fine. when things really get hot, that's when donald runs. the beauty of him doing that, he's going to say that's why i paid my cfo, that's why i paid my accounting firm. alan weisselberg is not the keystone to this investigation. >> michael, i want to ask you something i think you have information about personally.
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in the indictment there are some details about the tuition for weisselberg's, i think, grandchildren. there is a $359,000 check to columbia grammar school that weisselberg's grandchildren went to that it looks like were, according to this indictment, signed by donald trump himself. do you have any information about that? >> of course. why is it signed by donald? how many times on all of these shows do i have to say there is nothing that happened at the trump organization that did not go to donald, whether it was the purchasing of paperclips or the payment of alan weisselberg's grandchildrens' tuition. every single thing went on donald's desk for signature. >> can you hear me, michael?
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michael? okay. hold on. we're going to get michael back in a second. right now we want to bring in elie honig. tell us everything that you have gleaned. >> i'm speed reading. one thing that jumps out to me is there are definitely others involved. i say involved. whether they'll be charged is a separate question. the indictment talks about employees, plural, who were paid through this scheme. the indictment talks about how one of the largest, meaning there's others, beneficiaries was alan weisselberg. the indictment talks about how alan weisselberg and others directed this scheme. i found that really important, alan weisselberg and others. that trump organization personnel including alan weisselberg -- you get the point. one thing that jumped out at me on page 10 of the indictment, the allegation is that the scam to defraud tax authorities in relation to compensation paid to
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trump organization executives and employees extended to persons other than weisselberg. who are these people? that's the big question. who else is involved? who else is potentially on the hook for this? >> stand by. we have michael cohen back with us. go on, of course. what i'm alluding to with this is that i know that you have sat many times with prosecutors and given them what you know now. have you been able to point them to any specific fraudulent transaction that you can tie to donald trump that you think is now connected here? >> let me once again say that i won't discuss my conversations with the district attorney out of respect for the investigation. all i can say is, yes, there are a multitude of documents that are in the possession of prosecutors that tie donald trump to everything, because
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everything went through donald. i don't know how many more times i could possibly say the same thing. you know, every single thing, whether it was the acquisition of paperclips, light bulbs, furniture, mattresses, you name it, alan weisselberg's kids' payments, rent, everything would have a donald trump signature on it or his initial. there are other people at the trump organization who additionally received these same sort of perk benefits that alan weisselberg did, including the chief foreign operating officer matthew cal marry. there are so many people who received these type of benefits. the question is how did they treat it on their taxes? and why and how is it that it was done and booked by the trump organization? one of the things s before i lo you, what donald will do since he doesn't have e-mails is he's
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going to claim this is everybody else's fault. that's the donald strategy. it's not me, it's michael cohen. it's not me, it's alan weisselberg. it's not me, it's matthew cal marry. he's going to say it's not me, it's the accounting firm. do you think there are going to be other people to step up to the plate and provide all of the additional testimony that corroborates the documentary evidence that they already have? >> i don't know, michael, because here's what's interesting. though everything you've said is true, in the past for everything that has come up, whatever allegations there have been, somehow donald trump has skirted accountability, as you well know from your life. you went to prison, he didn't. why do you think this time is going to be different? >> well, you know the expression, the cat has nine lives. i think his nine lives have expired, because the documentary evidence that's in the hands of the prosecutors is so significant and so spot-on that
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there's no way anybody's getting out of it. again, neither alan weisselberg or cal marry or anybody are the keystone here, because the documents speak for themselves and there are more than enough people that are capable in testifying to what went on. >> i have another question for you. because you lived through this, what is donald trump saying to alan weisselberg right now? what message is he sending to him? if they are still speaking -- i know you were still speaking to him and in contact until the point where your apartment and office were raided and then you would get messages through his lawyers. what sorts of messages are coming to alan weisselberg now? >> alan, listen, i know what you're going through, this is terrible, it's part of the witch hunt, you know it, i know it, stay the course, stay strong, i have your back, don't worry about the finances, we're going to take care of all of it, we're
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going to take care of your attorneys, do not worry, this is all nonsense, it's all the politicization of the trump organization and me, they've been fighting for years. we've been there much bigger wars than this, stay strong with me and i promise you i have your back. >> that sounds pretty persuasive. >> it sure does, but guess what? it's not true. nothing that donald trump says is true. alan will be the fall guy just as i was the fall guy. listening to these attorneys say this has never happened, it's unprecedented, it's not true. i went to prison in part for hush money payments. i went for a campaign finance violation. if you really think just because it's alan weisselberg and donald trump once again saying something, that that's going to become the reality, he can say it all he wants, it's not the reality. >> michael, i'm still reading through this indictment, one thing i want to ask you about is
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the indictment alleges that the trump organization destroyed business records in september of 2016. d do you know what that's in reference to? >> again, this is all part of the d.a.'s prosecution of both the trump organization, weisselberg and others so i don't want to get into it. but obviously they're not going to make a statement like that unless they have the information in order to back it up. remember, most of the stuff that was documents would be trump organization come in only two forms. it's either electronic or it's on paper. that's just the way the company ran. and so if there's information that's missing from the hard drive, rest assured, quantico knows how to bring that information back. we've seen that before. as it relates to paper, that's only one side. if i'm sending you an e-mail, okay, if i get rid of it, that
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doesn't mean that yours is gone. so they will figure out or they already have it, the information they're looking for, or they're going to have it as a corroborating witness. >> as you heard elie honig outline from the indictment, there were other people mentions, other employees and it sounded like it goes beyond alan weisselberg. you think this is bigger than alan weisselberg. who do you think is next to be indicted? >> well, i think matthew cal marry is on the chopping block. he received the same type of perks. >> the coo? >> the coo. he received the same perks that alan weisselberg received. on top of that, i also believe there are other members of the trump organization, including the children, who are next to come up onto these indictments. >> you don't mean alan weisselberg's children. you mean eric and don junior and ivanka?
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>> correct. >> what do you think they would be indicted for? >> again, their participation in different aspects of the company and how they ended up booking things for tax purposes, the benefits they took and received. again, i don't want people to think that this case is about alan weisselberg and an apartment and a free car and so on. it is substantially larger in scope than just that aspect. that is but the tip. that's the tip of the iceberg. there's so much more that's going to be coming. again, to take this indictment -- i think elie honig said it best before, which is there are different ways that different prosecutors run their cases. in this specific case, they're doing it this way. they could have done a sweeping indictment against 10, 12, 15 people if they really wanted, but they're not. they're doing it in a methodical way. despite the fact that as a society now we like our
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information immediate and we want things done on the spot, that's not realistic in this specific case. >> if this is the tip of the iceberg, what's the iceberg? what more is about to drop? >> the ultimate, which is what they're really looking to do, the target of this investigation is not alan weisselberg. of course it's the ceo of the trump organization, donald trump himself. >> michael cohen, we really appreciate you sharing your particular unique insights into the trump organization as well as all this investigation with us. great to talk to you. >> thanks. it brings back some pretty bad memories. i tell you that. >> i bet it does. >> like i was saying to you early on for alan weisselberg, the memories don't go away, so you may want to smarten up and think about providing the information that they already have and corroborating it. i'm sure we'll talk about it 20
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years from now. >> we'll see if he takes your advice. michael cohen, thank you very much. >> be well. >> cara ski nel is joining us. she has more details. tell us what you're learning. >> reporter: we were inside just a short while ago. after the proceedings ended, they were discussing what would happen next. we actually saw prosecutors hand an electronic storage device over to a lawyer for the trump organization and a separate electronic storage device to lawyers for alan weisselberg. that was part of the discovery they said they had including bank and tax records and all of that material they're handing over to the defense. we also saw as part of alan weisselberg's relief, there is no bail in new york for someone charged with the crimes he's charged with. prosecutors did ask for his passport to be turned over because they said he is a flight risk. he's someone who has a lot of
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means with properties all over the globe and has taken many trips on private planes, they noted. we saw alan weisselberg's attorney hand his passport over to authorities right there in court. he is released on bail, he's free to go, but he did have to surrender his passport. the judge also put a protective order over the evidence so the lawyers would not release any of it so people wouldn't talk about it publicly. they set a date where the next time they will be back in court for a status conference is september 20th. >> i see elie and me writing that date down. that sounds important. let's bring back elie honig, tristan rogers and jamie gangel. elie, you've combed through this indictment. what do we need to know? >> beyond that this indictment makes clear that there are others involved, we don't know where they are and we don't know
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in prosecutors have enough to indict these people. another thing important is the falsification of records. they allege that alan weisselberg directed a staff member to remove the notations, quote, per alan weisselberg, from the entries in donald trump's detailed general ledger. that's powerful evidence for prosecutors because it shows alan weisselberg at a minimum knew that what he was doing was wrong. he would not tell somebody, hey, take my name of that document, unless he knew it was wrong. prosecutors have a very strong case against alan weisselberg. >> tristan, you have been listening as well. you have a lot of experience with this having sued trump university. from what you heard from michael cohen, who has been interviewed by prosecutors eight or nine times and he's convinced there's more "there" there, what is your assessment? >> i think the key is we need to listen to michael cohen when he
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says that weisselberg is not the keystone to this case because everybody's been speculating. is he going to flip? if he doesn't, is there a case to be made against trump? listen to cohen. he says the keystone is not weisselberg. the keystone is the documents. that's a lot less sexy. documents don't flip. documents don't have human terrors regarding being handcuffed. basically what cohen is saying is the documents are there. i think what you were just talking about shows how this could work. if we see there was a document once, a ledger, a spreadsheet, something like that that had a certain set of numbers and then maybe there were notations in that document and then there's another version of that document where there's testimony or an e-mail or something like that that says, hey, take that out or there's another version in which that notation has been removed
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or the numbers have been changed. that didn't happen accidentally. you didn't make a math mistake. you meant to do that. regardless of whether or not you have a cooperating witness, the documents are there. we may not need alan weisselberg's cooperation to make a case. it may be there's this mountain of documents that prosecutors finally got their hands on after having to go to the supreme court to get them. that may be the case right there. if you get weisselberg to cooperate, that makes the prosecutors' job a lot easier. that's a shortcut. if you can make the case for the documents, that's a longer road and it's more boring to talk about, but the case may well be there and today may have given us a hint of that. >> jamie, we are just hearing from the former president, donald trump about all this. we have a statement from him. it says, quote, the political witch hunt by the radical left
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democrats with new york now taking over the assignment continues. it is dividing our country like never before, exclamation point. this dovetails with what the trump organization's attorneys were saying. we heard them at the microphone saying this is the attorney general leticia james doing this because she promised she was going to get trump and she doesn't like his politics. your thoughts? >> let's be clear. those lawyers when they were at the microphone that was for an audience of one and that was donald trump. for context, today is a bad day for donald trump. we heard michael cohen say this. the trump organization is donald trump. these prosecutors did not bring this case lightly. they don't want to have this case and then not make it and go all the way.
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i think the other thing that michael cohen mentioned that's worth repeating is that the trump organization is donald trump and donald trump jr. and eric trump and ivanka trump. that is a tremendous problem for the entire family. finally, i just think we need to point out that there were two things that were bad for donald trump today. one was this indictment, which as elie's been going through is very lengthy, very detailed. but the other is, to bring it back to washington, nancy pelosi announced the select committee on january 6th today. liz cheney, a very conservative republican, agreed to be on that committee. these two things are going to be happening at the same time no matter how many exclamation points donald trump wants to
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make in these statements. >> jen rogers, now that you have heard all the details or what we have been able to consume from the indictment and from inside the courtroom, is this what you were expecting today? >> well, it's a little more than i was expecting in the sense that, you know, they did charge more crimes than i was expecting. and hearing from michael cohen leads me to believe more than i did before, i should say, that they are still looking to make a bigger, broader case against more people. one interesting thing from the indictment is a lot of people are wondering why now, why are they bringing this now? the pressure on alan weisselberg is one reason, but also it does appear now to be true that prosecutors were running up against statute of limitations issues. a lot of this goes up to 2016, five years ago, so they need to get this case going. they needed to charge this case in order to not have a statute
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of limitations problem later. now they've done that. they've gotten in the door of the courthouse. they now have a breathing space to add more charges down the road into the statement indictment without having to worry about that statute of limitations. >> michael cohen thought that you were spot on with your previous analysis. what do you think? >> i'm not quite sure what to make of that comment from michael cohen. we have to be careful about one thing, though. prosecutor versus a high burden of proof and it's very specific. it's not enough to say, of course the boss knew. it's not enough to say, look, we have piles and piles of documents. you need to show that the person you're charging had specific intent to break the law. >> let me interrupt you right there. we just told you in the indictment it said that donald trump had signed one of the checks for the tuition for alan weisselberg's grandchildren. if that's not reflected on any tax document, doesn't that tie donald trump to it? >> perfect example. that's exactly where i was
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going. so what that proves is donald trump knew they were paying tuition to benefit alan weisselberg or his family. that's not enough. you have to prove also that he knew they weren't reporting it as tax, because that's the tax evasion. did donald trump know they were paying tuition, cars and rent? maybe. that's not a crime to pay people fringe benefits. the crime is not reporting it. his defense will be where's your proof that i knew that we're not reporting this? that's what's missing. >> that's interesting, because if alan weisselberg is the cfo he would have been reporting it. does that give donald trump cover to say, that's why i hired the guy, he's our cfo, he does my taxes? >> any time you're trying to get into a closed organization, the boss always has that cover. whether it's a large or small organization, a mafia family, any kind of ring, the boss always has the most insulation. it's the hardest to get to the
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boss. he has room to say that's not me, i have people for that, i didn't know, i didn't direct it. >> jen, michael cohen felt this time was going to be different and this time they were going to be able to tie donald trump to that. i don't know if you have any thoughts in 10 seconds. >> i mean, we'll have to see. they have a lot of documents. i am heartened by some of the language in the document that they have a lot of proof to get in before they can charge. >> thank you all very much. it's great to get your analysis and expertise. and we are continuing to follow a lot of breaking ing n. we're going to take you to surfside, florida. officials are telling a harrowing story of an unsuccessful search for a voice in the rubble. that's next. how much money can liberty mutual save you?
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>> unfortunately, during our initial search and rescue efforts while we were working underneath the structure, the same structure that is significantly compromised right now, we did hear audible sounds. a female voice is what we heard for several hours and eventually we didn't hear the voice anymore. we continued to search and unfortunately we didn't have success with that. >> that's just heartbreaking. also new today, video of water gushing into the parking garage moments before the building crumbled. officials say this could be a significant clue behind the cause of the collapse. rosa flores is in surfside. tell us about the structural concerns, what you're learning there, if there are more clues every day. >> reporter: you know, there's been so many intense moments related to this collapse.
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like you were just mentioning initially, there were people running for their lives trying to get to safety. now overnight what we've learned is that the search and rescue efforts were halted because the alarms, the monitors went off at about 2:11 this morning. at that point, the search and rescue team had to leave the area. we've learned from the fire chief this was a large column that was hanging, it was swinging 6-12 inches. there were other portions of that debris pile that were also moving. take a listen. >> 6-12 inches of movement in a large column hanging from the structure that could fall and cause damage to the support columns in the sub garage area. that could cause additional failure of the building.
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>> reporter: i wish i had good news to share that the search and rescue efforts have resumed, but i've been checking with public information officers on the scene and they tell me nothing has changed. they are still waiting for the green light from structural engineers to get back on the scene. >> that only compounds the pain. hearing from that fire chief that at one point they heard a voice but weren't able to get to that person, obviously for the grieving families holding out hope -- well, the families that are anxious holding out hope, it's all just so gut wrenching. what about that new video of the water pouring into the garage? >> reporter: it's definitely a significant clue. if you think about that 2018 report, that structural report that spoke about some of the
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structural damage that was already in the building and how it could deteriorate exponentially if repairs were not made. i could tell you that my colleague boris sanchez spoke to the people who took that video. they actually stayed in a nearby hotel. they heard a big, loud noise. they ran, they started shooting that video. if you look closely, you can seasee watt -- water gushing. and if you look closer, you can see what appears to be rubble or concrete. what we know from the reports about the condition of the structural integrity about this building, there were issues with the waterproofing. back in 2018 the engineers said the waterproofing was beyond its useful life and if it wasn't repaired in a timely fashion, there would be an exponential deterioration. in 2021, just a few months ago, in a letter that was sent to residents we learned that
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deterioration has actually progressed. it is so telling and it will for sure be an important clue for investigators,because that video was shot moments before the collapse. >> rosa flores, thank you very much. my next guest narrowly survived the collapse. sharon was sleeping when the tower crumbled. she managed to climb through the rubble in the pitch black with her dog and make it out alive. thank you so much for your time. i've really been looking forward to talking to you about your incredible survival story. but i just want to start with how you're doing today. i mean, it's been a week since you managed to survive this. 145 of your neighbors are still missing, unbelievably, today. how are you holding up emotionally? >> yesterday and today were not good days.
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i started to become very angry and very just very jittery. i think it's starting to take a toll on me. i'm very tired. i don't sleep very well at night. the more i hear about the structural problems and the comments from the engineers, i think i become angry every day. >> how could you not be? i'm angry on your behalf. all of us who didn't even live there knowing for how long some of these problems were flagged. were you aware that there were significant problems with your building when you were living there? >> there were conversations. i rented. this was my third completed year. every year i would ask, you know, what's going on with the recertification. three years ago they already had the renderings in the lobby, but
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they never started construction and they would take the renderings down and put them back up in the lobby. so this year my lease was coming up for another renewal, but they said in september they were going to start with major construction. a couple weeks ago they actually began the roof. my concern was, you know, if i'm going to be closed in, because i don't want to be in a building with banging and noise every day. you do hear banging and noise and construction. that had been going on for a long time. >> sorry to interrupt you, but that of course is the natural thought, which is, wow, will the construction get in the way of my life? nobody thought, if we don't do this construction, will the building fall, because nobody was raising quite that level of alarm. it doesn't surprise me to hear that you can't sleep, because
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you were asleep in your bed at 1:30 in the morning when this happened. i just want to recount for people how you got out. you heard what you thought was thunder and you felt shaking that you thought was an earthquake. you ran, i guess, to your front door and opened it, but instead of seeing your neighbor's apartment right across the hallway from you, you saw nothing. that side of the building was gone, is that right? >> in my situation, my part of the building was not facing collins. the part that you see that looks like a tower but it's one big building, there are about 12 single apartments that face the ocean. after that earthquake moment, there was no electricity. i went to wash my eyes and there was no water. i went to see if there's a storm. i couldn't imagine where that noise came from. when i looked to my left, i saw
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no building. i just couldn't believe it. i'm looking at normally all these terraces that obstruct the building next door, which is a very bright white building. you know, there was no building. i heard noise in the front door and that's when i opened up, popped out my head. i was in pajamas and i see the family that was interviewed on tv one of the other evenings and they said come with us, the building is collapsing. so i said, go, go, go and i threw on jeans. i said i have to go get my dog. i'm not going to leave one of my children. so i just threw on jeans, jacket, grabbed her and started going down the only staircase. already i saw the rubble. it started breaking apart. then a woman in the stairwell that was in a walker trying to get down. i tried to help her.
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i couldn't, but i didn't want her to feel disconnected. i said let me call help and i kept screaming so she would hear my voice and not feel alone until we got to the ground floor. i saw a couple i knew. they were with another girl from my floor. they had a stick. they were trying to open up the exit door, which was i guess obstructed by debris. we couldn't get out and we had to go through the garage. i had a flashlight. i septemkept saying we have to moving, we have to get out. just find the light and we'll be outside. we did it. that was the first moment when i saw light and we were outside, you know, still not safe because we had to get to the front. we had to climb over cars, but it was the first moment that i looked up and i saw the building from the ground up, which was shocking. i can't even express how i felt
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at that moment. we got out. >> this is a living nightmare what you're describing. it's all so surreal. it's going to be a roller coaster for you. you need to prepare for that, because having lived through something like that will take a long time for you to process. i know that you are in the process of that. sharon, we only have a few seconds left. who do you hold responsible for what happened? >> at this point, i don't know. i don't want to say, because i don't know. i don't know who is in charge of the renovations. i don't know at what point it was discussed that the building was possibly unsafe and we needed to start the renovations, you know, yesterday. at this point, i'm not sure. i don't want to make a statement.
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you know, i'm just not familiar. >> i understand. sharon, take care of yourself. we'll check back in with you. we really appreciate you. >> thank you. it's hard. >> i can imagine. still ahead, republican liz cheney will serve on the committee to investigate the january 6th insurrection. what some other republicans are now saying about that. ♪ ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪
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speaker nancy pelosi has named her picks for the house select committee to investigate the january 6th insurrection. representative benny thompson will lead the panel. in addition to six other democrats, pelosi also named republican congresswoman liz cheney to the panel. cheney is one of only two republicans who voted in favor of forming this committee. minority leader kevin mccarthy now denying reports that he told gop members not to accept offers to sit on the panel or he would strip them of committee assignments. manu raju joins me. is mccarthy participating with this? >> reporter: we don't know yet. we have not heard whether or not he will name any of his five picks to this committee. he's in a bit of a difficultcan could get on the committee. also nancy pelosi, according to the resolution, has veto power over his picks. she can say no if mccarthy goes a way she disagrees with. i talked to the house select committee chairman benny thompson. he made clear nothing is off limits including potentially talking to donald trump and republican members of congress. >> you would not resist calling in donald trump? >> i would not.
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but from the standpoint of doing our work. >> how important would it be to hear from those members of congress who were having conversations with donald trump running up to january 6th? >> i think we need to have access to all available information. part of what we plan to do is hire some of the best people who can help us get access to that kind of information. so if we need to get it by request or by subpoena, i'm not reluctant to do either. >> reporter: the first hearing is going to be with capitol police officers themselves who will detail their experiences on that day. as far as liz cheney is concerned, i asked her if she was concerned about getting punished. she said she's not. she said this is above partisanship. she said she has not be told whether or not she will lose her committee assignments over deciding to take pelosi's offer. >> thank you. we're going to return to
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florida next, where president biden is expected to speak at any moment. he just wrapped up a meeting with families of the people who have been killed or are still missing in the surfside building collapse. al's coverage customizer tool? so you only pay for what you need. sorry? limu, you're an animal! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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president biden is expected to speak shortly in florida after meeting with some of the grieving and anxious families in the surfside building collapse. nick valencia is there for us. nick, i know those meetings were in private. do we know what was said? >> reporter: well, we know that biden used his past trauma and pain himself to try to personalize the message speaking
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to the families. but the fact is here that those families i've spoken to either didn't make the time to meet with the president today or flat out told me they don't want him here. one said she believes the president is taking away energy from the resources of the rescue mission. she told me she doesn't want to be comforted. she just wants to know where her husband and brother-in-law are right now. >> i'm very upset that he's here. as you know, my children would not want anything that's going to delay, you know, when every single second counts. we cannot afford to be slowed down even one second. >> reporter: these families are clearly very emotional and for good reason. adding to their stress is the fact that they are grieving publicly. this is still very much a rescue mission, one that was put on pause earlier today for safety concerns for those workers. if you talk privately so some of the members on the crew, they
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tell you they are not wondering or waiting for a miracle. they know that they only can hope to find something that brings closure to these family members still waiting for answers. >> i mean, nick, i understand the families' anxiousness and their devastation. the search was halted because of safety concerns. hopefully it will be able to start back up again as soon as possible. thank you very much. stay with us. we return to the breaking news this hour and the charges against the trump organization and its cfo allen weisselberg.
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back to our top story, criminal indictments against the trump organization unsealed. this indictment alleges a 15-year tax scrheme involving co allen weisselberg including fraud, grand larceny and falsifying business records. prosecutors also allege weisselberg evaded taxes on $1.7 million of income. >> allen weisselberg is in real trouble here. $1.7 million that's not chump change. that's real money. that's potential jail time for weisselberg. also the allegation they falsified documents is incriminating. it showed they knew it was wrong. this indictment repeatedly talks about others involved in this scheme. who are they and are prosecutors going to have enough to charge
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them in the future? >> when are we going to find those out? >> one never knows with prosecutors. it's interesting they haven't done it yet. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. ♪ president biden embracing families who are running out of hope. "the lead" starts right now. the consoler in chief at the community in surfside, florida as rescue teams have to stop because of safety concerns. a sweeping and audacious illegal payment scheme. how worried should donald trump be. plus quadrupling down on the big lie and attempting to change the subject. kevimc

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