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laughing, even watching. i know the hosts certainly do. liz winstead, thank you so much, and, again, "the story of late night" premiers sunday at 9:00 right here on cnn. certainly we'll be looking forward to that. >> great to talk to liz. >> thanks for watching. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> a new covid catastrophe now having a ripple effect in the united states. "the lead" starts right now. breaking today. the white house will start restricting travel from india as bodies are burned in mass cremations during a crippling outbreak there. the investigation into rudy giuliani ramping up in a big way. now we're learning it might all be about one specific official whom president trump fired. plus, another state in the united states on the verge of passing a law adding new limits to mail-in voting, and it's a
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battleground state that trump won in 2020. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with breaking news in the health lead. the white house just announced that the u.s. will start restricting travel to the u.s. from india because the covid crisis there in india is so devastating. cnn's kaitlan collins joins us now from the white house with this breaking news of the kaitlan, when exactly do these restrictions go into effect, and tell us who is impacted. >> jake, they are not going into effect immediately. this is not starting until actually 12:01 a.m. on tuesday, may 4th. that's when you'll start seeing this go into place and that should be clear that does not apply to u.s. citizen. if you're a u.s. citizen you can still come into the country. the international testing standards, however, are still in place. instead, this is going to apply to non-u.s. citizens who have been in india in the last 14 days. pretty similar language to the
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other travel restrictions for other countries that are in place, and it also doesn't apply to humanitarian workers. the white house made that clear earlier today, because that's been something that's a big concern as humanitarian workers have been going back and forth in addition to the u.s. spending the supplies of oxygen, ppe, things that are desperately needed in india right now as they are dealing with this record number of cases. jake, the white house said they came to this decision after conferring with the advice of the cdc, national security experts, really this is something that's been under way, a discussion at least under way for several days here now, and they have now made this decision, but it doesn't go into effect until tuesday just to be clear. >> -- his mother was from india, indian-american about this. what did the vice president have to say? >> she actually still has family in india. she's not spoken to them since the announcement was made by the white house today, but she did comment on this. the highest ranking official from the white house to actually
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talk about this on cameras, and this is what she told reporters. >> we have a responsibility as the united states in particular as it relates to the people that we have partnered with over the years to step up when people are in a time of need. tonight in fact we're going to be sending a plane with supplies that will include oxygen with an expectation that that will provide some level of relief. >> so we haven't actually heard from president biden on this yet, jake. he's in delaware for weekend, but i do expect he'll address that before they actually go into place on tuesday. >> reporter: in january 2020, candidate biden attacked then president trump for the, quote, reactionary travel bans that trump proposed during the ebola crisis, but now he is going to do his own travel ban. >> yeah. he was critical because then when donald trump was, of course, still a private citizen, he had complained that obama and biden did not put travel measures in place in that situation.
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that was something that you later heard officials they actually believed worked out in the end, but president biden did talk about that as a candidate and now, of course, he is president. these are decisions that are now on his plate and he has to make them. there are a lot of questions also that i've been seeing about why this didn't happen sooner. people asking why the travel restrictions hadn't gone into place given that we've seen these numbers skyrocketing in india for ten days now, so the question -- i think that's kind of a balancing act there for the white house of when is the right time, is it dire enough that this needs to go into place and according to the cdc this is the decision they have now made. >> kaitlan collins at the white house. continuing in our world lead now, the situation in india could not be more dire with sources telling cnn that the white house travel restrictions starting may 4th are as a result. today has been yet another day of bodies piling up and crematoriums unable to keep up with the influx of dead. indian families desperate and you able to give their loved
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ones a proper acceptedoff. today marked the second day in india where 300,000 cases were report and as cnn's sam kylie reports now from new delhi, with only 2% of india fully vaccinated this nightmare is likely just beginning. >> a sensor reveals dangerously low levels of oxygen, stifled by covid-19. this canister of gas buys this patient time. all of these patients arrived barely able to breathe. this isn't a medical clinic, it's a tent on the outskirts of india's capital run by volunteers. >> without the initiative being shown by these volunteers from the foundation who are providing oxygen on the street on the outskirts of delhi, they say many dozens, perhaps over 100 patients would be in deep trouble medically now. they already had one death just over there earlier on today.
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they have treated over 100 people who have come in desperate for oxygen, unable to breathe, and it's all about this. the supply of these oxygen cylinders. it's a 300-mile drive each way to get one of these filled and brought back to delhi. >> they cost about $25 when filled. >> how easy has it been to find oxygen. >> oh, my god, trust me. this is the toughest thing we're facing. >> reporter: with covid-19 infections and deaths breaking records daily, many patients in delhi have given up on hospital treatment where they know oxygen is scarce and beds often shared. this man was turned away by three hospitals. he took off his oxygen mask in order to be heard. >> they are not entertaining anything and refusing all things. i cannot tell to whom i can
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blame. the it is both government and the hospitals also. >> reporter: bottled oxygen is mostly produced outside delhi and neighboring states are prioritizing their own needs, and so the city gasps, and many die unrecorded in their homes. the bodies of patients are collected who die at home. he'll pick up three in this run and many are afraid to take their dying loved ones to hospital. this family decided to keep their grandmother at home. >> we were scared seeing the condition around so we got scared if we had to go to any nearby hospital who is going, to you know, be in touch with her. who is going to give us the information and what is going on within the hospital. >> reporter: india's government has promised a vaccination campaign with renewed vigor, but
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with around only 2% of the nation inoculated so far, that's cold comfort here. now, jake, the 2% figure is woefully inadequate. the official death toll has been around 375. we know that that figure is at least double that and those three individuals that we saw picked up, for example, very unlikely to be record as part of india's official death toll, jake. >> sam kylie in new dell hi, india. thank you so much for that sobering report. cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins me now. we should note, sanjay, that this crisis in india hits very close to our cnn family. our colleague f-zarq gentleman lost his mother to covid just a few weeks ago.
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you have family in india. how difficult is it to watch this situation unraveling there? >> well, first of all, we're very close. i have a lot of family hand most of mike tended family outside united states lives in new dell hi, and we're communicating all the time by whatsapp. i'm the only doctor in the family so all questions in the family, medical nature come to me, and one of our favorite uncles passed away a couple days ago which was quite shocking. he was in his early 70s, pretty health and he died of covid. so, know, i think what strikes me when i hear this and i see sam's report and clarissa's report and talk to my relatives is there's still a bit of a disconnect. my relatives are taking this seriously now, but i think that they were getting the message a few weeks ago and they were happy about it, that they thought they were through this. that's what they were essentially told. look, india has gotten through this whole thing soy think it's a huge amount of whiplash. they are staying home. people are becoming more
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diligent about wearing max. mask-wearing had gone way dumb. delhi is in lockdown until may 3rd but you can see in sam and clarissa's reporting there's still a lot of people out and about. there's a real sense of trepidation. i think this is first time that over the past year i've actually hear them sound scared. >> i'm so sorry about your uncle, sanjay. what was his name? >> harender and he was the favorite uncle of all the countsins, sort of the natural gifted storyteller in our family, and, you know, i didn't -- i didn't even know he was sick because everything was fine and then it just happened very suddenly, jake. >> i'm so sorry. let's turn to the medical side of this. there's a variant spreading in india. what do we know about this variant and how concerned should we in the united states be about it given the fact that people are still traveling from india to the united states?
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>> well, we don't know a lot about the variant. we don't know a lot about what the impact of this variant is because there's not a lot of genetic sequencing that we talk about, so we know that people develop covid but they don't know what specific variant of the virus is causing their illness because they are not see questionsing enough. what we do know about this variant a type of it has been seen in south africa. a type has been seen in california, so it's not just relegated to india. it's probably already spread around the world and now being picked up in various place. it's also becoming increasingly clear from dr. fauci now that the vaccines that we're talking about do seem to be protective against this variant, whether you're here in the united states getting a vaccine or anywhere else. obviously the problem there is that not enough people have that sort of immunity yet. >> let's turn to the good news in this pandemic or what passes for good news in the pandemic. today marks a huge milestone, 100 million americans fully
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vaccinated. states are loosening restriction and have been for some time. it seems promising though that's still less than a third of the united states population, but do we need to be concerned. i mean, still, there's 26% of the american people including almost half of republicans who will not get vaccinated, according to polling. >> yeah, i certainly think coming out of india and talking about this, i think india in some ways we have to think of that as a cautionary tale when you talk about concern. having said that, i think that we are in, you know, really good position, you know, in terms of the overall number of dose of vaccine. one thing that's become abundantly clear to me is i've talked tom people who i've been talking to for the last year is that we focus on the number of people vaccinated understandably. that's immeasurable, but the thing that makes me more optimistic is that we see a dramatic decrease in death rates, hospitalization rates and cases are also coming down, so the immunity, it's not herd immunity yet but the overall
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status of immunity seems to be having a positive effect. we saw in the uk and in israel and we're seeing that here. that's the real good news. regardless of what the numbers of vaccinated are. the end product is we want to see those three things come down, cases, hospitalizations and they are. >> there's fda official who says authorization of kids aged 12 to 15 can skip the fda advisory process so pfizer and moderna are both looking to get authorization for that age group. what does that mean for the timeline? when can 12 to 15-year-olds saturday going to get appointments to get vaccinated? >> jake, i can tell you just sort of behind the scenes, our unit, we were prepared for the possibility that that might happen today, so we don't know exactly when it's going to be happen, but it's going to be soon. we're not, as you point out, going to see the whole process with the advisory committee meeting making the recommendations. the fda is still going to look at this data but essentially they are amending an existing emergency use authorization than will expedite.
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it should be very soon. >> dr. sanjay gupta thank you so much, and, again, our deepest condolences on your uncle. may his memory be a blessing. new information on the rudy giuliani raid why. it may all center on a key firing by president trump, a name you might remember from impeachment, the first one at least. and the endim democratic of the big lie. the shocking number of of republicans who still falsely do not think that joe biden won the election fairly. it's in our new cnn poll. stay with us. i need a lawn. quick. the fast way to bring it up to speed... is scotts turf builder rapid grass. it grows two times faster than seed alone for full, green grass. everything else just seems... slow. it's lawn season. let's get to the yard. bottom line is, mom's love that land o' frost premium sliced meats
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the impeachment inquiry trump was on twitter attacking her at that very moment. according to the "new york times" in the midst of rudy giuliani and a number of shady connection trying to dig up dirt on the bidens giuliani wanted her fired but at whose direction? former president trump, ukrainian officials? was giuliani trying to play both sides? the feds are going to great lengths to answer that key question as cnn's jessica schneider now reports. >> reporter: new details about the investigation into rudy giuliani and what exactly investigators are searching for. the "new york times" now reports at least one of the search warrants served yesterday fought information on the former ambassador to ukraine, marie yananovich who testified in the first impeachment trial. >> our ukraine policy has been
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thrown into disarray and shade interests the world over have learned how little it takes to remove an american ambassador what does not give them to work. >> reporter: if giuliani worked to get her ousted from her benefit to help trump or benefit ukrainian interests as he sought dirt from him on the bidens. it's all part of the long-running criminal investigation into giuliani and an inquiry into whether he worked as an unregistered foreign agent for ukraine while also serving as president trump's personal attorney. federal agents served a search warrant on his apartment and office wednesday seizing several electronic devices. >> about 6:00 in the morning, there was a big bang, bang, bang on the door and outside were seven, seven fbi agents with a warrant for electronics. i've offered to give these to the government and talk it over with them for two years. i don't know why they have to do this. the agents seemed somewhat apologetic, i might say. >> reporter: giuliani insists he's never acted as a foreign
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agent. >> i've never represented a ukrainian national or official before the united states government. i've declined it several times. i've had contracts in countries like the ukraine. in the is a clause that says i will not engage in lobbying or foreign representation. i don't do it because i felt it would be too compromising. >> reporter: giuliani was a prominent figure on the 2020 campaign trail for trump and repeatedly floated false information about the bidens' ties to ukraine. >> the amount of crimes that the democrats committed in ukraine are astounding, and when you say investigating hunter biden. joe biden was the guy who did the bribe and took the bribe in other words to protect burisma. >> reporter: rudy giuliani was repeatedly asked last night if this criminal probe could be more than just about that possible violation of the foreign agent's registration act. giuliani says he's not been told
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anything about the investigation by the feds, and meanwhile, jake, federal officials, they are really anticipating here a long legal fight over what's contained inside the electric anything devices seized because no doubt giuliani's attorneys will be arguing that a lot of it in there is subject to attorney-client privilege. >> as michael cohen's attorneys argued before him. jessica schneider, thanks so much. let's bring in democratic senator mark warner who is the chair of the senate intelligence committee. chairman, thanks for joining us. we're told by giuliani's attorney that in the last two years the justice department has not issued a single subpoena or asked for information. suspicions of giuliani's activity in ukraine is not new so what do you make of the investigation escalating so significantly right now? mean, that is a big, bold, audacious move to raid the home and office of the president's
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attorney, not to mention those of the associates that are also wrapped up in this. >> well, jake, again, i don't have any details on the justice department investigation, but i do know that. we knew over a year ago. it came out in the first impeachment trial, that rudy giuliani was obsessed about trying to find dirt on the bidens, that he clearly and i felt this was one of the reasons why i vote for the impeachment the first time was taking out our ambassador. obviously the phone call between trump and the ukrainian president was inappropriate, but one thing you've got to give rudy giuliani, he does not lack for chutzpah because we knew all this a year ago yet rudy giuliani and others, i might add, were continuing to be used by what has now become fairly obvious, russian agents to spread part of their disinformation campaign against joe biden throughout the whole
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balance of 2020. i can tell you, jake, that there were a number of republican senators who would go to giuliani and others in the trump orbit and urge them to back off, that they were being knowingly or unknowingly manipulated and yet here we are, you know, four, five, six months after the end. election and giuliani is still pleading i guess willful ignorance i guess is what his plea is. >> investigators had a search warrant associate and assistant. the does this seem to be in line with an investigation into someone who has not been registered as a foreign labbist which has been in the past deemed a bureaucratic paperwork crime. >> i'm not going to pass legal judgment on what the justice department is doing, but you
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said at the outset of our conversation that the justice department having this kind of raid on somebody as prominent as rudy giuliani, someone who had been a former u.s. attorney, someone who had been acting as donald trump's lawyer, i think they would have to hit a pretty high bar of certainty to take that action, and, again, it's already in the public record what happened in terms of his involvement with the ukrainian ambassador. what i find, again, a bit remarkable in my mind, is even with that forewarning he continued to spread misinformation, disinformation and has been fairly evident by lots of public reporting, a lot of that misinformation and disinformation was the product of a russian disinformation and misinformation campaign perpetrated by agents of russia through ukrainian fronts.
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which go news in our health lead today.
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as of today more than 100 million americans are vaccinated. the numbers of case and deaths in this country are going down. all proving one thing, she is vaccines work. case numbers are at the lowest they have been since october. deaths are down an incredible 80% since just january. states and businesses taking this good news to push ahead with reopening. tomorrow fans will pack the stands at the kentucky derby. today disneyland opens back up to californians which is where we find cnn's nick watt. nick, the tsa has just made an announcement when it comes to mask requirements. what is it? >> yeah, that's right, jake, so this mask requirement for planes, trains and boats was set to expire may 11th. the tsa just extended it through september 13th. masks also required here at disneyland which as you mentioned just opened this morning listen, the theme of today has been shots in arms and doors creaking open. the. >> today we reached a major
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milestone on the number of americans who are fully vaccinated. today 100 million americans are fully vaccinated. >> that's about 30% of the population. >> the people are getting vaccinated and fighting back covid and it's working, and they are ready for a comeback. i've got to tell you. i think "the daily news" has it right. it will be the summer of new york city. >> july 1 everything opens in nyc. may 1 tomorrow, no more outdoor restrictions in connecticut. in new orleans now stores and restaurants are open 100%. >> nationwide many lives are still being lost but the average daily death toll lowest it's been for more than nine months. >> i think that covid is not going to go completely away, but i am overall quite optimistic for our health care system and country as a whole? >> are you ready? >> the challenge now vaccinating
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the hesitant and hard-to-reach. this bar in milwaukee now hosts a pop-up clinic. >> vaccine hesitancy right now. it might be easier for people. >> emergency use authorization for the pfizer vaccine in younger teens could come soon so what about schools come the fall? >> based on the science and the cdc they should probably all be open. >> cruises could be back mid-july says the cdc in a letter obtained by "usa today" with safety measures. tomorrow delta will start filling those middle seats again, and tomorrow there will be up to 50,000 fans at the kentucky derby. actual fans. >> people are really pumped up about getting a little bit back to normal. i've always thought as the kentucky derby as the world's biggest fashion show hand certainly the rights of spring as well for all of america. >> reporter: fashion, e he. there will be hats but also still masks. >> i think that people will be very dill vent as well in wearing masks. otherwise they may be escorted
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out. >> and here at disneyland it's temperature checks on the way in. look, this is pretty momentous. disneyland has been closed for about 13 months now, and the ceo said today we've waited so long for this. listen, we've all been waiting so long for so much. let's just hope we continue on this slow road back to normal. jake? >> all right. nick, thanks so much. appreciate it. >> it's a state whose republican governor bragged about how excellently and efficiently their election went, but now republicans in the state want to make major changes to the way people vote anyway. does florida's new voting bill go too far? stay with us. what happens when we welcome change? we can make emergency medicine possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions,
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in our politics lead, more evidence that disinformation that public officials such as donald trump or kevin mccarthy lying to the american people over and over, more evidence that it has an impact. take a look at this. a brand new cnn poll shows a whopping 70% of republicans think wrongly that president biden did not win the election fair and square, and in florida, a rare swing state that donald trump not only won in 2020 but improved over 2016, a state where republican governor ron desantis heralded how efficiently and expertly the election run, florida lawmakers are going to change election rules to make it more difficult for voters to cast ballots many of them citing the big lie about the election.
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cnn's diane gallagher is live at the state capital in tallahassee. diane, talk about what this bill does. >> reporter: it wasn't just ron desantis praising the election, it was the bill's sponsors introducing it called for election successful, secure and something that they were very proud of, but then they started talking about adding guardrails for potential gaining of the system in the future. democrats say that in addition to them believing that this is a racist bill, it's also a necessary. i want to tick through some of the changes it does allot. it adds new identification requirements for who votes by mail. limits who can return a completed mail-in ballot. requires a voter to request their mail-in ballot annually instead of every two years like it is now and expands the powers of observers during ballot tabulation and creates limits and restrictions on drop box. democrats have said that this is completely unnecessary because
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florida's election was so successful, jake. >> and this is actually as happened in georgia as well a less onerous of the bill that many originally proposed. >> reporter: yes. it is -- it is words of many of the people who were against it, it is not a good bill you it is a better bill than initially what it was. initially it banned drop boxes completely and created very difficult signature matching and would have made it incredibly difficult for people to vote. i can tell you that through this entire way that the election supervisors, 67 of them, they are bipartisan in the state of florida. they have opposed this legislation saying it will make elections messier. it's going to make it harder for them to do their jobs. in addition this is unfunded they say. there's no extra money for election supervisor, and there's a lot of extra work and manpower needed. >> all right. thank you so much. appreciate it. ay philip is here to talk about
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this with us. we already remember governor ron desantis aptly, i mean, i had no issue with it, taking a victory lap after florida's election. trump won. they ran it efficiently. they'd lex results that night. there was early voting. why would they change it >> reporter: mean, it seems like it went well. >> i mean, there's a long history in florida of republicans using vote by mail. this is a state where there are a lot of older voters, many of whom prefer to vote by mail because it's easier. it's more convenient, and they did it well in the last cycle, and yet they are doing this in part because they know that this is what donald trump wants. this is the direction that they have to go in, even though there was actually nothing wrong, and it really belies something that, you know, we heard this past week from senator tim scott who claimed falsely that republicans are not trying to restrict investigate as dianne just
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pointed out. they tried harder in an earlier version of this bill and then it was pared down to something more simple. >> the new republican laws that we're seeing across the u.s. focusing a lot on mail-in ballots where democrats did have a huge advantage. >> right. >> and also we should point out that once the pandemic is over, which it isn't, there will be less of a necessary reason for people to vote by mail, you know, because there won't be the threat to their lives if they vote, but it's hard not to look at the fact that the democrats had so much success with vote by mails and republicans didn't because trump was telling them not to. >> look. when i was covering this issue last summer, republicans faced a choice. do they convince their voters or encourage their voters to utilize vote by mail just like democrats had or do they try to fight back against vote by mail. they chose to fight back, but mostly because donald trump had convinced himself that this was a way that he was going to lose
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the election. this was months before he actually did lose the election, but that was the choice that they faced and they chose the other path. that's why we're in a position, the position that we're in right now. it was not a foregone conclusion that democratic voters would actually even successfully use vote by mail because many of them are more transient. they don't have -- maybe they are in college. maybe they changed their addresses. it wasn't a foregone conclusion. it became one because of former president trump. >> take a look at this from the cnn poll conducted last week asking voters which is a bigger problem in u.s. elections. 45% say investigate rules make it too hard to cast a ballot and 46% say voting rules are not strict enough. now we know, of course, voting fraud exists, but there is very little evidence that it is a major problem in the united states and in fact the biggest incident of voter fraud in the last few years was that republican consultant in north carolina and the voter fraud he
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caused, and yet this really seems to be -- this is a partisan breakdown as you can imagine. this has seeped into the republican mindset that this is a major problem even though there isn't any evidence that it is. >> this is a major political skill that former president trump had which was conviction people, particularly republicans, to buy into whatever his version of reality, is and that's what we're seeing here with voting. republicans now believe the big lie, am i'm not just talking about trump republicans. up and down the ticket all the way to capitol hill they are buying into the big lie. >> october republicans that were elected on the same ballot in all those states, all those house members. >> their elections -- >> their elections were fine, okay. nothing wrong with those. thanks so much. catch abby on her show "inside politics" at 8:00 a.m. even. >> other countries it's followed by swift political action but in america thoughts and prayers are often toured what should follow mass shootings and then stalled politics. why is this a distinctly american problem?
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in our flags lead there have been 50 mass shootings in the united states just this april according to the gun violence archive. other countries are baffled why the u.s. has not done more to change gun laws. cnn's erica hill has the latest in our series on guns in america. 16 children, just 5 and 6 years old, and their teacher gunned down in an elementary school in scotland 25 years ago. weeks later 35 people killed in a popular tourist spot in australia prompting massive buyback programs in both countries and strict new laws. >> the people have spoken. parliament has spoken. handguns are banned. >> reporter: new zealand 2019.
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more than 50 murdered in attacks on two mosques. >> australia experienced a massacre and changed their law. new zealand had its experience and changed its laws. to be honest with you i do not understand the united states. >> swift action after horror but not in the u.s. where thoughts and prayers quickly devolve into politics. >> i think the big problem is the culture wars, that this is part of the u.s. culture wars. >> reporter: wars that leave little room for address the root of this violence. >> we can talk about making the guns safer, but we also have to talk about keeping the guns out of the hands of the people who are highest risk. >> reporter: despite grabbing the headlines, mass shootings already at least 168 in the first four months of this year, are just a fraction of gun-related deaths in the u.s. more than 60% are suicides, and addressing that recurring tragedy may hold the key to reducing gun violence overall. >> suicide touches everybody. so many has a family member, a
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friend, we're losing veterans, so anything that we can do to help out. >> reporter: joe manages a gunshot and shooting range in ulster county new york, and he's also an active partner in a local mental health program known as speak, suicide prevention, education, awareness and knowledge. >> i wither 'all reluctant in the beginning because every time there's a shooting and it seems to us that it's a mental health situation, we're the ones that take the hit for it, and so the discussion wasn't about guns. it was about what we could do. >> reporter: s.p.e. a k. unites public health officials and gun owners to help recognize the signs of a person in crisis. among them no prior gun experience pore coming to the shooting range alone. the goal, to start a conversation. >> any of the hotlines spore s.p.e. a k. or mental health. >> reporter: inspired by a the
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new hampshire safety coalition, the successful model has spread to several sglats 85% of gun deaths in utah are suicides. half of all suicides are with a firearm so this is a community that's really impacted by firearm suicide so getting right messenger is critically important. >> reporter: while less than 5% of suicide attempts in the u.s. from 2007 to 02014 involved a gun, nearly 90% of those ended in death. has there been an experience where you felt you've been able to make that difference for someone? >> oh, yeah, i think a couple of times. bumping back into the -- into a couple of people that i talked to they said thanks a lot. >> reporter: do you think this could be mod for cooperation and other areas of conversation? >> yes. if you want a serious discussion about gun control, gun violence, you need to sit down with all the players involved and that means us. >> reporter: joe says he's not the only one in the community
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who really wants to be a part of those discussions. he emphasized how important safety is to the gun community as a whole and that that is something he feels could real be a point of conversation. the woman you just saw from utah there said what we all need do is be open. people need to be open to having these difficult conversations, jake, to talking to people whose ideas and values they may not think align with theirs and they may honor that moment and really think of the things that make you feel uncomfort and and i do want to note that it's so important that we all try to work out for one another and recognize the signs and i want to puppet on the screen there the suicide prevention hotline. if or someone you know is in crisis or having a challenging aim 800-273-8255. jake? >> thank you so much, appreciate it, erika. coming up, why liz cheney fist bumping president biden is triggering so many republicans. here's a hint.
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welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. this hour returning to cruises and full flight and disneyland. the pandemic reopening spree continues as we get news that some children may soon be eligible for the vaccine. then, we're live in israel, a disaster at a religious festival where dozens were killed in a crush of people and then on capitol hill internal
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fights continue to turn the house jop apart. congresswoman liz cheney under fire from inside her own party again for daring to tell the truth about trump and the big lie and new details dade about what the feds were looking for when they raided rudy giuliani's office and apartment and more on matt gaetz and a let err writ ben by joel greenberg who is a central figure in the investigation. greenberg wrote up the details of their affairs after asking roger stone for help obtaining a pardon from president trump. cnn's paula reed joins us now. we cannot verify the details of "the daily beast" story but the