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just starting now. cnn, new york. >> the all new cnn original series "the story of late night" premiers sunday at 9:00. should be fun. thank you so much for joining us today. i'm jim sciutto. i hope you have a great weekend. >> hello, everyone. thank you so much for joining us. "at this hour," we're going to get an update from the white house on the fight against the pandemic. and by all indications, they should have good news. i know it feels rare that we're able to bring that to you many times. good news. there is major progress on all fronts in the fight against the pandemic here in the united states. let me play for you how a doctor described it this morning. >> i think question confidently say the worst is behind us.
barring some crazy unforeseen variant that none of us are expecting to happen, we'll not see the kinds of sufferings and death that we have seen over the holidays. i think we are in a much better shape going forward. >> the rate of new weekly covid-19 deaths, look at the charts. it hit a record low for the year. the number of hospitalizations from this virus is also way down since january. and new cases are also dropping significantly across the country. most experts say this is largely thanks to vaccines. and the white house is expecting in the united states they're now fully vaccinated. just as the u.s. is beginning the recovery, the situation in it india is the exact opposite. bodies are piling up faster than workers can cremate them as the death toll is climbing there
daily. overwhelmed hospitals are running out of essential supplies. down to oxygen and beds they're out of. so what impact will that country's downward spiral have on the global fight against the pandemic and any hope of the world returning to normal? we're going to see if that is addressed in t covid-19 briefing this hour. joining me right now in the meantime is an emergency room physician at brown university. good to see you. thank you for being here. let's start talking about india. i want to play for you what an icu dur told my colleague john bur berman this morning. >> what we're seeing is nothing short of an apocalypse. patients are being rushed in. they're getting cremated overnight. >> what is happening there in your estimation? >> so it's a combination of problems, kate. first is that they released all of those policies that helped to keep covid-19 at bay too early.
things around masking, large social gatherings, indoor get togethers. and they did that before they had rolled out vaccinations. vast minority of indians received vaccines at this point despite the fact that india is one of the major producers of covid-19 vaccines for the world through this perfect storm of relaxing masking and physical gathering restrictions with not enough people being vaccinated. then as we know from our experiences in it the united states, this virus spreads quickly. once it catches fire, it just goes. and because new policy restrictions are not put in place across the country, it continues to spread. >> look, comparing that to the united states, you've got the cdc director saying this week she is cautiously optimistic about the direction the united states is going. another doctor says he is confident the worst is behind us. are you confident that this progress we're seeing here in the u.s. will stick?
>> i am 99% confident. our vaccination rates are stellar, as you said, we're announcing later today that 30% of american adults have been vaccinated which is just a terrific number. every vaccine that goes in an arm is an infection prevented not just for that person who got vaccinated but also for those around them. there is that concern about new variants. and it is entirely possible that there will be a variant for which the vaccines are less effective at protecting us. and in particular with the global spread of covid-19 with the low rate of vaccinations on an international basis as well as in parts of the u.s., i'm a little worried. i think that covid-19 is not going to go completely away. but i am overall quite optimistic for our health care system and for our country as a whole. kate, there is one thing which is although i'm optimistic for the country as a whole, i will will say any person in the united states that has not been
vaccinated, which is an important point. our country is likely going to be okay. the individuals may not. which is why getting your shot is so important. >> 30% of americans will have -- are now fully vaccinated. compare that to where they are in india. 2% of the population in in india is fully vaccinated. you can see that is just one of the fastest variants that we're looking at here. with that in mind, what do you think of travel restrictions through the united states at this point? they are currently in place. travel restrictions preventing people from coming from other countries into the united states like brazil is one example of, you know, where there are travel restrictions. yet, there is currently no travel restrictions on people traveling in from india. i mean, should the united states stop travel from india? >> so stopping travel from one country is really, really difficult to do. we saw that as we go back 15 months, we tried to stop travel from china. people just flew to other countries and came into the
united states. the far more important thing is having good border controls to make sure that first people have had a negative test before they come into the united states. and, second, make shuing sure t they actual quarantine and get a second negative test before they mix in society. stopping anybody from any individual country from coming in is nearly impossible. the important thing is what to do once you get here which is make sure you quarantine and have a negative test. >> i want to play for you what president biden said. he was asked about continuing to wear a mask outside even though he is vaccinated. listen. >> the likelihood of my being able outside and people not come up to me is not very high. so it's like, look, you and i took our masks off when i came n because look at the distance we are. but if we were in fact sitting there talking to one another close, i'd have my mask on. i imagine you would have a mask even though we've both been vaccinated. >> he said it is still your responsibility. but when you consider the science we have now and guidance
from the cdc, does the president's answer make sense? >> it does. i think that here's the important thing is each individual person can make the choice to wear a mask themselves when they're outside. the biggest risk is when you are close to someone. right, when you think about how this virus spreads, kate, it spreads through the air and plumed of virus. and if you're sitting close and it is infectious. and this is from zero. and they make sense. if you don't have the person wearing a mass is being a fine thing to do. >> thank you so much. >> they're sweeping across and the colleague and they're there from reporting is nothing short
of devastating. we'll be there in just a moment. also new this morning, the problems for republican congressman matt gaetz are mounting. important report out from the daily beast. joel greenberg wrote a letter admitting he and the congressman paid multiple women for sex including an underaged girl of 17 years old. cnn has not seen that letter. this is from "the daily beast." they've not been able to independently verify the details yet. joining me for more on this is paula reid. can you walk us through this letter? it is devastating. >> it is devastating, kate. joel greenberg wrote a letter saying he paid for sex with multiple women including a minor that was just 17 at the time. now the letter was drafted after greenberg reportedly asked roger stone, a close ally and president of former president donald trump for help in obtaining a pardon in the final months of the trump administration. now in an earlier draft of this letter obtained by "the daily beast," greenberg claims he
engaged and thought one of the women was 19 years old but later learned she was actually under age. greenberg reportedly claims that when he learned of this, he immediately called the congressman and warned him to steer clear. now cnn has not seen this letter and cannot verify the details of "the daily beast's" story. but we have spoken to several women involved with these two men and we reported that greenberg paid women on behalf of congressman gaetz after some sexual encounters. we spoke with roger stone last night. stone says he doesn't recall any letter. he says he never heard greenberg implicate gaetz and he never tried to get greenberg a pardon. stone also said he never asked nor received any money from greenberg. >> all right. paula, thank you very much. appreciate. that so from matt gaetz to another close friend of donald trump, rudy giuliani. "washington post" is now
reporting that the fbi officials back in 2019 and he is in russia's efforts. at the same time, in a separate investigation, giuliani is defending himself now and propspr promising to fight after his home was raided by the fbi. we have more on this. start with the "washington post" reporting. what exactly are they saying? >> hi e, kate, the counter unte jens division gave giuliani a defensive briefing, telling him he is targetted by russian misinformation. that russians were trying to give him false information relating to joe biden that could be politically damaging to joe biden. now cnn previously reported that the white house and congress had been given these kinds of do you
havive defensive briefings. but the new reporting from post says that giuliani was briefed in 2019 and then following that briefing, giuliani then went on a trip to ukraine and met with some of the officials who were later identified as being actors of russian intelligence. giuliani's attorney has not responded. >> so what is giuliani saying about this investigation and the raid? >> yeah. so last night giuliani was on fox. he gave the first interview about the fbi raid at his apartment just behind me on wednesday. and giuliani said that the officials there had seized seven or eight electronic devices. they came banging on doorthe do first thing in the morning. he was looking for dirt on joe biden and where he was pushing for the removal of the u.s. ambassador to ukraine. the question that prosecutors are looking at was that part of the effort that giuliani was undertaking on behalf of the
client, then president trump or was giuliani working for ukrainian officials who were wanting the removal? giuliani addressed this. he said the evidence the fbi seized is exculpatory and he never represented a foreign agent. here's what he said. >> the evidence is exculpatory. i proves that the president and i are innocent. they're the ones committing -- it's like projection. they're committing the crimes, the search warrant is purportedly base d on one singl failure to file for representing a ukrainian national or official that you never represented. i've never represented a u krakr ukrainian official before the united states government. >> now giuliani is also teeing up a fight. he said his constitution at rights were violated because they had obtained information
from his icloud account in 2019 when working with then president trump on the impeachment. kate? >> thank you very much. coming up, donald trump won florida in 2020. but still republican lawmakers are changing the laws there to make mail in voting harder. why? plus, we're going take you to unda. the covid-19 surge there is being described at this point as apocalyptic. hi sabrina! hi jen! hi. so you're the scientist here. does my aveeno® daily moisturizer really make my dry skin healthier in one day? it's true jen. really?! this prebiotic oat formula moisturizes to help prevent dry skin. impressive! aveeno® healthy. it's our nature.
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across the globe. dead bodies are piling up so fast. crematoriums are forced to operate aren't clock. cnn's cnn is on the ground in new delhi. >> reporter: you're never far from heartbreak. almost everybody in the city is visited by grief. at this crematorium, the loss weighs heavily in the smoldering air. and the dead are piling up. there are bodies literally everywhere you turn here. i've honestly never seen anything quite like it. and the organizers say that p covid-19, they might cremate seven or eight a day. today alone, they cremated 55 bodies and it's not even lunch tomb. just months ago india's leadership boasted that the
country had effectively defeated covid-19. now it has said global records for new cases is a terrifying second wave ravages the country. he says he and his men don't even stop to take breaks. and still, they can barely cope with the flow. a volunteer approaches. they run out of tables for the bodies, he says. his brother died from covid-19 the night before. >> there is no time forrest. >> do you believe the government figures, the death tolls, the covid-19 figures that they're giving or do you think the real figures are much more higher? >> the numbers that you're seeing on television are the numbers that people are dying in hospitals, he says. they're not factoring in the people that died at home in
isolation. if those numbers are added, he thinks they're three times. to keep up with the mounting numbers, the crematorium is forced to expand, creating an overflow area in a neighboring car park. this person is saying good-bye to his 45-year-old younger brother. >> i was thinking he was healthy and improving. but certainly the doctor came. >> could his death have been prevented? >> i think he can save him. he could save him. >> india's health care system is at a breaking point. unable to cope with the scale of the crisis and their people left to fend for themselves. this crowd has been waiting for
six hours for the chance to get some oxygen. they can't rely on. >> is there oxygen? is it low? >> he can getting 47. >> 47%. and we're trying this morning. >> how many places have you been to? >> 19. >> 19? >> since morning. since 6:00 a.m. >> have you tried taking her to the hospital? >> there are no beds. we have tried so much. they don't have any beds. >> she was lucky enough to find her mother a place in a hospital. only to find out there was no oxygen.
>> what should i do? i'm so scared what is going to happen with my mom. >> are you angry? >> i'm so angry because of the organization of our government. it is so careless. they don't care about what happens, who is suffering. there are so many people dying. >> her mother is now in critical condition. like many here, she feels completely overwhelmed. for those who can't source their own oxygen, this is the only option. a drive in oxygen center by the side of the road. a woman arrives unconscious in a rickshaw. several hospitals have already turned her away. they simply didn't have the
beds. now she is relying on the kindness of strangers. her sons work desperately to try to revive her. this isn't a hospital or a clinic. it's a temple. but for these people who already been turned away from so many hospitals, this is their last chance of survival. the leader of the charity that runs this facility says it gets no support at all from the government. he says he already had covid-19 twice. but he and his volunteers continue to work 24 hours a day. >> we are trying to save lives. >> it must hurt your heart to see the way your people are suffering. >> yes, madam. many times we cry about what is
going on. >> it is impossible to escape the tragedy of this vicious second wave. coronavirus is ravaging the old but it has not spared india's young. the prime minister announced everyone over the age of 18 can get the vaccine. but with less than 2% of the country inoculated, that offer is only a distant hope. so india's capital hcontinues t burn. suffocated by the rampant spread of this deadly virus. a city and a country brought to its knees, praying for respite. >> i mean desperation. that is the only thing i keep
thinking when i watch your reporting here. you've seen so many tragedies in all of your reporting trips. can you put some context around what you're seeing there? >> you know, i mean, you're right. it's utter desperation. and the thing that just makes the mind boggle, kate, is that india hasn't even hit the peak of this wave yet. scientists are saying that could be another two or three weeks. how are these people expected to continue like this? how are those people you saw every day out there in those lines waiting for oxygen sometimes for eight, nine hours on end with no guarantee that they will even get to receive something that, frankly, in much of the world we take for granted. something like oxygen. the idea that this has become such a precious commodity really underscores just how dire this situation is. how huge this tragedy is. and really, the sense of
impotence and despair and frustration and fear that so many people feel in the face of it. >> what is the government doing? >> so they've announced a number of initiatives. we mentioned they said that they're going to open vaccinations now as of tomorrow to anyone over the age of 18. well, kate, guess what? a number of states have already come forward and said please don't all come. try to get your vaccine as of once as of tomorrow. we don't have the supplies to make that happen. the government also announced this program called oxygen operation oxygen express. essentially trying to move liquid oxygen around to the hardest hit areas of the country, using this country's railway system. that's been in effect for over 24 hours. frankly, we have not seen any substantial difference yet on the ground. kate? >> still pushing people to go out to the polls and vote in the election. this is a failure in leadership.
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we've covered extensively and we'll continue to cover extensively how voter access has come under attack since the 2020 election. until now, many of the republican led efforts have been in states that joe biden won. but now republicans in if florida are looking to restrict voter access in a state donald trump won. last night the republican state senate passed a bill overhauling election laws in the state and the bill is now on the way to the governor. joining me right now, cnn's dianne gallagher. the can you talk us through what change this is bill is making? >> sure thing, kate. governor ron desantis who expected to sign this into law called the florida 2020 election perhaps the most transparent and efficient election in the
nation. but we're still seeing a lot of changes like we have around the rest of the kuncountry. this adds new id requirements for voting by mail. it also limits who can handle a completed mail in ballot. and it limits drop box use and access. and for those election supervisors who may not follow these new drop box rules, there is a potential $25,000 penalty. it also requires election workers to staff the drop boxes when they're open but doesn't provide additional funding and prevents any private donations to help election offices conduct elections. now again, you see a lot of that is about mail in balloting. and 4.8 million people in 2020 voted by mail. look at the numbers here. democrats did outpace republicans by about 600,000 votes in 2020.
when it kaucame to mail in ball. in the past, mail in balloting which very popular in florida has been more of a republican style of voting. and so democrats who were on the floor debating this said, look, we sort of see what is up here. finally, we surpass you during this pandemic in in mail in balloting. and suddenly you want to put restrictions on the process, kate. >> yeah. dianne, thank you very much for covering it for us. still ahead for us, 50,000 fans are gearing up right no you to return to watch the kentucky derby in person once against. how are they going to keep everyone safe? we'll talk to the mayor next. [sfx: psst psst] allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! all good ♪
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♪ ♪ to the races now. it is a new day for the ken tucy deshy. fans will be allowed back to churchill downs for the most storied horse race. after covid-19 spoiled race fans plans last year, just like pretty much every other in person event, capacity there allowed back in -- kind of. capacity is limited between 40% and 50% this year. meaning, between 40,000 and 50,000 spectators will be
allowed it to attend. how else is the derby different this year and how much will it be the same? back to normal, mayor, democratic mayor of louisville greg fisher joining me now. mayor, thank you for coming in. big weekend for you. what is different about the derby? how are you keeping people safe? >> great to be with you. i'm always thought of the kentucky derby as the world's biggest fashion show and the rights of spring as well for all of america. so people are really pumped up about getting a little bit back to normal. usually we have about 150,000 people at the track tomorrow. it will be about 50,000 and, of course, the oaks runs today so it will be about 50,000 as well. less people, as you say. and then the big charity galas held, they're not going on this year. some are taking place virtually. it's no the kind of the pandemonium and craziness that always is but it's nice to feel things coming back with energy and people smiling and it's a beautiful spring day here today. it will be also tomorrow. >> absolutely. so masks are going to be required for all at all times unless you're actively eating
and drinking is how we learned to know it. how do you police that? >> well, we do that really well here, we have done it with football, soccer and basketball. it's the culture of people going to events today. churchill is a massive facility. it holds 150,000 people. so with just 50,000 there tomorrow, they'll be spread out. there will be obviously monitoring what is going on and most people monitor who they're with as well. we're not concerned about. that but we certainly have taken all the precautions. and masking is an expected protocol now. 60% of our adults vaccinated here. i'm not sure what percent of locals will be at the track tomorrow. most of the people flying in will be vaccinated. we're following precautions and hoping for the best. it feels good to get back to normal. >> it does. good even talking about it. how important is the derby? getting back to normal is also getting back to recovery, economic recovery. how important is the derby and pulling this off successfully to
louisville's come back? >> it's a big thing. no city has the whole world watching for the most famous two minutes in sports. and economically, it's a big boost to us here in louisville. f it's about a quarter billion dollars of economic impact. it hits the restaurants filled back up again and hotels. so tough on our restaurant owners this whole pandemic. good to see the pep in the step of everybody getting their hospitality game back on. it's significant. i think it's symbolic, too. it's spring. we're out of worst of the pandemic, hopefully. we're coming around to the finish right now. we can see the funnish line just like we can at the track. we can't let down in terms of getting vaccines. everybody needs to get their vaccine on. >> the only appropriate sports metaphor is one just did on this day. thank you, mayor, for staying on theme. talking about recovery, the president -- president biden, he just announced the second part
of his sweeping economic plan. and we're talking about with these two portions, infrastructure and families in education. like $4 trillion in spending across the country. how do you -- can you talk about it from a flederal level. on a local level, how do you sell that to folks? it's a ton of money. it is a serious rework of the role of the federal government in our lives. >> it's an extraordinary investment in our people that they deserve. when you think about where our country is now compared to 50 years ago in terms of the gap of incomes and wealth, when you think about where we are today as a country compared to ten years ago with china and how we need to catch up with them of all things with infrastructure and technology, it is long overdue in my mind. we lost our competitiveness as a country and this yawn and gap we have between the rich and poor in our country is unsustainable.
from a racial equity standpoint, from a fairness and opportunity standpoint. so i look at all this as a long overdue investment. interest rates are super low right now. it's a smart thing to do. >> mayor, thank you for coming on. good luck this weekend. >> okay. come visit us. >> we will every time. i'll find my southern draw for those two minutes g to see you. thank you very much. coming up, we're turning back to major story that we'll continue to follow. unfortunately because more and more incidents are occurring, another deadly police encounter, this it time in california. what needs to change with policing in america right now? that tough, important conversation is coming up. y wans the same thing. that's why i go with liberty mutual — they customize my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a bit differently. wet teddy bears! wet teddy bears here! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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three separate investigations are under way after yet another deadly police encounter in america. this time in california, body cam footage shows police officers restraining mario gonzalez, a warning here this video is disturbing. police say it started when they responded to separate reports about a man who appeared to be under the influence and a suspect in a possible theft. what the video eventually showed is gonzalez, appeared incoherent. police trying to lead him away. but then you see pinning gonzalez to the ground for five minutes. he loses consciousness. he was later pronounced dead at the hospital. and as i mentioned, this is all now under investigation. joining me right now, the host of "united shades of america." i was listening to you talk about this incident, what happened to mario.
it's an example of why the policing system needs to be examined and changed. what happened here? >> first of all, two people called 911 on a man drunk in the park. you have to ask what were you calling about? he wasn't bothering anybody. fine. the problem is generally get police showing up with guns, that is the main -- who show up to address a criminal, and he was not a criminal, maybe he shouldn't drink in the park but who of us hasn't been drunk in the park at some point or the other and we didn't end up dead. we have to look at policing, we have to have a new way, if somebody's drunk in the park, a social worker, a ride home, not a police officer. >> sadly, another example in just another way that we have to examine and look at and it shows us once again why this conversation and more than a conversation, action is really needed. it gets to implicit bias and
systemic racism, overt racism in america. president biden is talking about racism in a new interview. i want to play what he said. >> no, i don't think the american people are racist. i don't think america's racist. but i think the overhang, from all of the jim crow and before that, slavery, have had a cost and we have to deal with it. >> that is -- was at least in part in response to, of course, the conversation sparked by republican senator tim scott who said in his republican response that america is not a racist country. this is like day three of this. i'm wondering, is this where the conversation needs to be right now? what is this really about when you get past political answers from politicians? >> first of all, i think it's just -- president biden respectfully said america's not racist and then defined it as a racist country in his response. that's the first part. it reminds me of the malcolm x quote, if there's a knife in my back and it's in six inches and
you pull it out three inches, that's not healing, pulling the knife isn't healing, healing the wound is what is healing. pulling a guy with a knife in his back, talking about that knife, and congratulating ourselves for at least noticing the knife. >> it feels a little weird, just like how it started. it just feels weird, how the conversation's occurring. >> welcome to the cognitive dissonance of being black in america, kate bolduan, congratulations, people are having conversations about you while you're in the midst of experiencing trauma instead of saying what are the big ways we can heal the trauma. >> let's get to what you're focused on in "united shades" this season, the first episode is focusingen of policing and racism in america. let me play a review for everybody. >> is this moment different? as far as like where we are in america, and specifically around law enforcement? >> for me it's just this moment
of being a black man in a police uniform, right, and there are some problems. so systemic problems. that's been in policing for a very long time that you know need to be rooted out. and so you sit in this place where you're like, do i fit in? sometime you even ask the question, do i fit in? i'm a black man before i put on a uniform. >> yeah. >> i'm one when i take it off. >> you're one while you've got it on. >> right. >> he's a police chief now, right? >> he is now a police chief, yes. >> something from your journey each season, what surprised you in this episode and this season? >> this whole season is basically framed by covid so every problem we're talking about in every episode, every challenge that's going on in this country has been made worse and more stark by covid. so in the episodes you'll see us right there, we're not wearing masks but we were all covid tested. and all the -- and many of the problems that we've noticed with policing in this country have been made more stark by covid. that's the thing i think i learn
from this season is like america is at a tipping point right now. as much as we want hope and optimism like the derek chauvin trial, that's just one thing. there's a lot more we have to do. >> thank you, it's good to see you. >> thank you. >> this all new season of "united shades of america" with w. kamou bell starts sunday night here on cnn. schools are not yet fully reopened, parents are stuck in a difficult spot. no one to care for their kids when they return to work. one chicago woman is trying to help. >> we don't want them to make the choice, me earning a living, versus my child getting an education. what type of a choice is that? >> good morning. >> if they have to go back to work, we're available for them to bring their kids every day, so that they can go to work. we provide them with a safe space, making sure they are online every morning, on time, making sure that they are in class, they're engaged, and able
to complete their assignments. >> okay, very good. >> we try to make sure that our doors stayed open, that we were constantly staying involved, and connected with the young people, because they were really struggling trying to cope through covid. >> to learn more go to cnn heroes.com, we'll be right back.
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hello, and welcome to "inside politics," i'm john king in washington, thank you for sharing a busy news day with us, a big milestone today, the united states has now fully vaccinated 100 million americans, plus from the president a big marker for the fall. president biden says all kids should be back in the classroom to begin the next school year. some other big headlines, rudy giuliani says he did nothing wrong yet there is this new wrinkle. "the washington post" reports the former new york city mayor and trump confidant was warned in 2019 that he wa