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yorkers, really understanding the true scope of the devastation into the state's nursing homes. >> to be clear, this was happening with the backdrop of the initial reaction of governor cuomo to the pandemic as new york was very much in the middle of it. it was seen as positive. he was seen as transparent. he was getting a lot of good press for it, and he now still points to this being all political. this is my opponents. but the attorney general in this state who he is a fan of or has been a fan of, put out the report that shows this underreporting and what it shows was that the state omitted the numbers from people who contracted coronavirus in a nursing home, which is key because of the guidance the governor put out, and died somewhere else, right? so this is -- this would be the backdrop under which you saw his aides, i guess, sort of messing with the numbers, reducing the
numbers actively? >> what they did, they decide very early in this pandemic, when they were under scrutiny over their handling of nursing homes to not include those residents who died outside the nursing homes. and part of that was early on. it was hard to calculate those numbers. there's some truth to the idea this was a difficult thing to do in the hide of the pandemic last march and april when new york was struggling just to get through it. as you got into may and june and july, the health department felt that they could, they had new surveys and they could say here's how many residents of nursing homes died inside the nursing home and also in a hospital. and that's important because you want to know how many nursing home residents died, not just ones who died in the nursing home facility. and that's the only number that the governor's administration was reporting. so they were leaving out about 50% of the people who got sick and, of course, got treated in a hospital and then subsequently died there. you know -- sorry, go ahead. >> oh, no, i didn't say anything, but we do have to wrap
tup, david. this is tremendous reporting and we certainly thank you for sharing it with us. "new day" continues right now. i'm john berman alongside brianna keilar. president biden hits the road to sell americans on the ambitious plans he laid out in last night's primetime speech. the white house press secretary joins us live. and rudy giuliani raided by federal agents. what they were looking for. more importantly, what did they find? >> two very different stories are emerging in the deadly police shooting of a black man in north carolina. what was andrew brown jr. doing right before police opened fire? plus, a mysterious incident under investigation near the white house. is it another invisible attack like the ones that cause brain damage to spies overseas. ♪
good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. it is thursday, april 29th. good morning from washington, d.c., i should say. today is the 100th day of joe biden's presidency. he heads to georgia to speak to voters there. he says he wants to invest enormous sums in their futures in jobs, education and child care. and as for the tough question that everyone is thinking -- >> how do we pay for my jobs and family plan? i made it clear we can do it without increasing the deficit. let's start with what i will not do. i will not impose any tax increase on people making less than $400,000. but it's time for corporate america and the wealthiest 1% of americans that have just begun to pay their fair share. >> president biden's hour-long speech also touched on gun violence, police reform and america's standing with international allies and foes.
it was an historic night not just for the president but for the two women seated behind him on the dais. that was a first. only 200 people were allowed inside of the house chamber, which is 1/8 the size of the usual crowd pre-covid. joining us to talk more about this is white house press secretary jen psaki. thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> good morning. >> we got some specifics about the tax increases that president biden would like to see in order to pay for what he wants to do. and i'm hoping that maybe you can just shed some light on this. axios, hans nichols at axios is reporting that this would be for individuals with the threshold being $400,000 but again in that top tax bracket you'd have families at $509,000. is that a correct representation of individuals versus families of who can be affected by these
tax increases? whang >> the president is ensuring that his bold proposproposals, university pre-k, families, young people across the country can get two additional years of community college, extend the child tax credit, 12 weeks of paid leave which we all know, working moms around the country need. he proposed a way to pay for it. his promise is that nobody making -- individuals, families who are filing, filing their taxes making over $400,000 -- under $400,000 a year will not see their tax goes up. as we know, people file as married couples. they file as individuals. and he wants to promise -- his promise to the american people is that people who are in the 99% of people who are making less than that are not going to have their taxes go up. >> so you're saying it's a threshold for families at $400,000. is that right? >> that's right. and individuals. who are filing their taxes. people file differently. >> okay. i am just asking because, look, i'm not saying that's not a lot of money, but when you get to some states, as you're aware, like california, new york or
here in the washington, d.c., metro area, it's not the top 1% in those areas. you're talking about maybe in the 5% realm. we're just trying to get specificity on the numbers. >> i understand. we're all for specificity and transparency. what he looked at, the president, all of the country is how to have the smallest impact on the smallest number of people, and he thinks people making that amount of money can afford to pay a little bit more so that we can invest in the next generation, invest in child care, in paid leave, things people need across the country. >> certainly. you have a lot of support for that in the country. as you look -- are looking at this way to pay for this, however, i'm curious when it comes to democratic senator joe manchin, he is looking at this price tag, about $4 trillion for these proposals. and it makes him uncomfortable. how do you bring along a senator joe manchin who you would need? >> absolutely. and senator manchin has been and
will be an important partner to the president and to the agenda of the administration. what's important for people to understand is the president has proposed a way to pay for all of his proposals. he believes that it's long overdue to invest in infrastructure. that kids should have access to safe drinking water. that the entire country should have access to reliable broadband or high-speed internet. he believes we should extend the child tax credit. that people should have paid leave. that should be a part of a right in this country. what he's proposed a bay to pay for it. he's going to have a discussion. there may be alternative ideas. he's happy to hear them. maybe they'll come from senator manchin or republicans. there's that conversation right now. you know very well how this works. at the staff level, at the committee level. into the nitty-gritty details. i expect when congress returns, the president will invite members of both parties to the white house to condition those discussions. >> let's talk about vaccine hesitancy which is really the problem we're facing right now in this country. and also president biden wearing a mask inside last night.
he is vaccinated. i think everyone else there was vaccinated. we're hearing from some doctors, jen, and these are doctors who are very mindful of public health. these are public health experts who supported government restrictions. even they are saying that the cdc should be a little less conservative on guidance for vaccinated people indoors so that people are incentivized to get the shot. are americans who are vaccinated essentially living by the same rules in public indoor spaces right now as those who are unvaccinated? >> well, first, let me just say, we know this is tiring and exhausting and people are sick and tired of wearing masks and sick and tired of having restrictions and not seeing their friends and not having big barbecues and going to concerts. i am, too. the good news about the cdc announcement is i can go to the park with my kids and not wear a mask outside. i can go for a run and not wear a mask outside. that's a step forward. it may not be as far forward as
everybody wants to see. we understand that. but we still believe that the cdc guidelines, leading with medical experts, health experts, can give the american people confidence that what the cdc is saying is telling them what is safe. and it may not be at the pace but they'll continue to consider what's possible and they're going to continue to put out updated guidelines on a range of restrictions easing them as the pandemic gets more and more under control. >> you do really need conservative americans who are disproportionately skeptical of this vaccine to take it. >> you're right. >> do you need donald trump's help here? >> we'd welcome any prominent official who be out there saying that vaccine is effective, that is how to save lives and every other living president has been a part of that effort. so if former president trump wants to do that, we'd welcome that. but what's important here s-- s there any active outreach? he's in a position with people who support him that say george
w. bush is not. have you reached out to him? >> here's the important thing that i was going to get to. what our data shows is that it's not actually former presidents, you know, celebrities, others who are going to convince the majority of americans who have not yet taken the vaccine that it's safe and effective. it's local doctors, clergy, civic leaders. our investment, $3 billion to do a big public advocacy campaign is focused on empowering those local voices because when your neighbor gets the vaccine, when your friend across the street gets the vaccine, you're much more likely to get it than just seeing someone on twitter or seeing someone in a psa. that's what our data shows. >> would having someone like trump, really there is no one like trump, would having trump say, look, you need to talk to your local doctor. you need to talk to your faith leader or adviser, your pastor, would that be something that could get people then to those people who will convince them this is safe?
>> the truth is what our data shows is it's actually these doctors, these clergy, civic leaders, people in communities reaching out that's most effective. in some ways like politics and government. we're reaching poupt your neighbor's opinion, their view on an issue will be the most impactful. and that's true in this case as well. >> is president biden going to push vaccinemakers to release their patents? >> well, what we're looking at now is how to ensure we can make more supply to provide to the global community and do it in the most cost effective way. there are lots of ways to do that. there's been a lot of focus on the patent. there's ways to increase manufacturing in the united states. at our manufacturing facilities that are already equipped to do more manufacturing. so we're looking at a range of options. ultimately there's going to be a recommendation from the ustr. we haven't received that yet. the covid team will make a decision. but our primary focus is on upping the supply. and there are lots of ways to do that. but we want to do it in a cost effective way. >> so far no call for releasing
the patents. i want to ask you about the giuliani raid. did the white house have any idea this was coming before it happened? >> no, we did not. it feels different but the doj is independent now. they'll make their own decisions, take their own actions. that's how the president wants it. that's how the attorney general wants it and that's how we're behaving. >> and on senator tim scott who, of course, gave the republican rebuttal last night, he is the republican point person when it comes to bipartisan police reform negotiations in congress. has president biden engaged directly with him on this? >> i don't have any calls with senator scott to read out for you, but what i can tell you is this. he called him out in the speech last night, the president did, for a reason. because he believes there is an opportunity to work together in a bipartisan way. and he believes there can be good, constructive conversations between senator scott, senator booker, others who are leading on this effort. congresswoman karen bass. he's looking forward to signing
the george floyd policing act into law. those negotiations are going to happen between those members and additional members on the hill, and the president will stay engaged. he very much cares about signing this into law. he thinks it's long past time to get police reform in place. >> jen, thank you for being with us. jen psaki, the white house press secretary. so this morning, the justice department escalating its investigation of rudy giuliani. federal agents raided the home of the former president's longtime personal attorney and ally. it's part of an ongoing criminal probe into giuliani's political activities in ukraine. cnn's paula reid live with us now with much more in detail. paula? >> good morning. cnn has learned that seven federal agents executed a search warrant at giuliani's home early wednesday morning. additional agents searched his park avenue office. electronic devices were seized in both locations. a sudden and very public development in a years-long investigation into giuliani's
activities in ukraine. federal investigators conducted a raid at rudy giuliani's home and office in new york city wednesday. seizing electronic devices from former president donald trump's personal attorney. >> it's a very aggressive step. i know the folks at the sdny, i hired a lot of them, and they would only do something like this that's so significant if they believed very strongly based on the facts and the law that there's something worthwhile pursuing here. >> reporter: an attorney for rudy giuliani tells cnn the search warrant was related to an investigation into possible foreign lobbying violations, especially communications between giuliani and right wing columnist john solomon. solomon wrote op-eds about many pro-trump and anti-biden conspiracy theories for the hill that were peddled by giuliani. after review, the hill found flaws in solomon's columns on ukraine, including a failure to provide key disclosures. giuliani denies any wrongdoing
and has not yet been charged. his son argues this was politically motivated. >> this is disgusting. this is absolutely absurd. and it's the continue d of the justice department that we've seen. >> reporter: this brings into stark focus giuliani's actions in ukraine under intense scrutiny since 2019. giuliani has been under scrutiny regarding whether he lobbied ukrainian officials to open an investigation into then-presidential candidate joe biden while working as an attorney for former president trump. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no, actually, i didn't. >> you never asked anything about joe biden? >> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that wothe dismissed the case against -- >> so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. >> reporter: they threatened to withhold military aid to ukraine
and withheld a white house visit for the newly elected ukrainian president in order to furth ir their efforts. the main focus of trump's first impeachment trial. investigators also want to know if giuliani acted as an illegal lobbyist on behalf of ukrainian officials. for example, giuliani's insistence that the u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovich be fired. trump did eventually fire the ambass ambassador. >> our ukraine policy has been thrown into chaos. >> reporter: two ukrainian associates of giuliani's were indicted in 2019 on several charges, including illegally funneling foreign money to pro-trump political groups. igor fruman and leff pv parnes. parnes spoke out saying that everything he did was at the
direction of giuliani and for former president donald trump's political future. >> that was the most important thing was for him to stay on for another four years and keep the fight going. there was no other reason for doing it. >> reporter: giuliani's lawyer tells me he offered to answer questions from the justice department as recently as a month ago but federal prosecutors did not take him up on it. cnn has also learned that giuliani's executive assistance has received a subpoena to appear before a grand jury next month. >> that's a big deal, too. paula reid, thanks for your reporting on this. joining us, peter strzok. thanks for being with us. put yourself in the shoes of the fbi agents who have been investigating rudy giuliani. why do you think they wanted this raid? why do you think they wanted to go get hold of his phones? >> well, john, good morning. i think two points worth making. they wanted to do this by press
reporting since last summer. the reason you want to get information like this, particularly computer devices is that you have information on there in the form of communications, but also potentially financial records that are not available to you through other means. particularly when it comes to encrypted communications, when it comes to imessages or other chats that may not be maintained by an internet service provider, you need to get a hold of -- the other thing, since it was recorded last summer, the specific date may have been a surprise to giuliani, the fact that he was being looked at by sdny and the fbi was not new. investigators are also going to be looking at those devices to see if anything was altered, deleted. that sort of activity is exactly what strikes to the heart of somebody's knowledge and intent of what they were doing and
whether or not it was appropriate. >> i think the common person like me asks, if giuliani has known this is going on, wouldn't he just delete the stuff? that in and of itself, you say may be worth getting a hold of, yes? >> absolutely. if any person is going in and deleting something, that is a very strong indicator of the knowledge that they might have done something wrong. most crime in the federal code relies on being able to demonstrate that the intent of somebody. the fact that they knew they were doing something wrong. and if you go in and you delete things after you become aware that somebody is looking at you, that certainly speaks to your knowledge it wasn't appropriate. i'm very curious again. this is a long time coming. i'm very interested to see what comes out of these devices and also that of victoria toensing which reporting indicates her cell phone was seized as well. >> what we've been told by giuliani's lawyers about this,
though it has to be taken with a grain of salt is he's being investigated for foreign lobbying. something having to do with fara. can you explain to us why that is important, why that would be against the law and bad, frankly, for america? >> absolutely. so american law provides that if you as a u.s. citizen are doing work on behalf of a foreign government, you have to go to the department of justice and register as a foreign agent. essentially that you are performing work on behalf of that foreign nation. in this case, when there is a search warrant. a search warrant means a federal judge, not doj, not the fbi, a federal judge found there was probable cause that a crime occurred and that evidence of that crime resides or exists in the places that you're searching. so in this case, the crime that was indicated on the search warrant from reporting is that it was a violation of potentially of the foreign agents registration act. they were looking at things related to ukraine.
there's some allegation that there were violations of the foreign agent's registration act and specifically that potentially giuliani did not register as would have been required to do by law. >> very finally, we have to go, but just because giuliani's lawyers say that's what's being investigated, does it mean it's just limited to that? >> no, absolutely not. when you go out and get a search warrant you are typically using either the crime that you have the strongest allegations to get the evidence that you want to recover, but investigators are going to be looking at a very broad range of activity, and i would not be surprised at all if there are a variety of statutes and violations beyond simply the registration act at play. >> peter strzok, thank you for helping us. it's a dramatic fall for rudy giuliani. once a crusading prosecutor and then america's mayor. reaction from two people who knew him well, next. plus, alarming new reporting on so-called havana syndrome attacks against americans.
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most colorful interviews that giuliani has done. can you give us a sense, john, of your reaction to this raid and the fallout. >> shocked. and a real sense of the tragedy of it given the trajectory of his career. you know, before he was new york city mayor, when i worked for him and was proud to do so he was a crusading u.s. attorney. leading the southern district, which is the organization that's investigating him now. and i don't think you can underestimate the respect he had in the legal community and the justice community, particularly at that time. and when he was mayor. so for this sort of tragic third act in the rudy opera to be punctuated by the feds raiding his apartment is truly stunning. it's sickening. i don't think it's evidence of a politicized justice department. i think that's an ironic accusation by people from the trump orbit. but it is tragic. and he deserves to be remembered for more than this last act. but i'm afraid it will overshadow his other
accomplishments. >> two impeachments, not to mention several other civil suits and an attempt at a stolen election on top of everything else. olivia, you've got a complicated electronic relationship, among other things, with the former mayor. and yesterday you tweeted out, you know, i don't think i'm going to be getting called back from him today. listen. help us understand how much he uses these devices that have now been seized. what's on them? how many he has. what's going on here in this convoluted electronic world of rudy giuliani? >> well, we certainly have our ups and downs in our relationship, but in the time that i've spent with him, i couldn't help but notice that as an informal cybersecurity adviser to the then-white house, this is a man who had absolutely no idea how to use his electronic devices. he had at minimum, three different cell phones and he was often carrying them haphazardly together, their screens unlocked, they'd be banging into
each other. he once activated siri by mistake in front of me and then sighed. she never understands me. and this is a man watching this unfurl, this is a man who was informing the white house, allegedly, about cybersecurity. so there was a certain irony to that. he also had an ipad and he was constantly communicating almost like pathologically, constantly on encrypted apps. he used whatsapp, imessage. he would be on the phone nonstop. and it seemed like he didn't really care who he was communicating with. he would take calls from any reporter, whether or not they were adversarial. anyone presenting as a reporter, he would often be trolled from people who got his number through mysterious means online. so this is not a person whose communications, you could argue, were secure in any way. and i imagine there's quite a lot for investigators to sift through. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> can i just add like rudy
giuliani is a yellow legal pad kind of guy in a digital world. but fundamentally, the flow through is, the disciplined judgment that i saw from him and that characterized his understanding of the responsibilities of office and as a prosecutor has been lost. and i think that's been reflected in some of his communications and falling in with people like lev and igor. he's responsible for his actions. >> as -- look, we're wonder -- >> it's interest, when eye sorry. >> can i just -- i want to play a little sound because for anyone wondering what the trump/giuliani relationship is in the wake of this raid, trump just responded. let's listen. >> rudy giuliani is a great patriot. he does these things -- he just loves this country. and they raid his apartment? it's like so unfair and such a double -- it's like a double
standard. like i don't think anybody has ever seen before. it's very, very unfair. >> what do you think, olivia? >> well, i imagine that donald trump is watching this unfurl and thinking, what if i'm next? he, obviously, the former president is the focus himself of some investigations in new york and elsewhere. and i think that, you know, cocooned in mar-a-lago, this is something that's been on his mind for a while now. and as the circle gets closer and closer, and as investigators seem to be getting people who are close to -- genuinely close to him like rudy giuliani, i imagine it's making him quite nervous. and also rudy is someone he's had an extremely long relationship with. in the white house, he was often defined by these different loyalty fights and donald trump is has a very long memory. and rudy giuliani was always someone in his good graces because he stuck by him after the famous "access hollywood" tape. rudy was out there spinning for him on tv. he stuck by his side. and he supported him and wanted
him to stay in the race when others were telling him to get out. so he remembers that. so i imagine there's a lot of fear and cynicism and concern for himself, but he's also, you know, known rudy a long time and i imagine on some level feels that, as a friend, it's terrifying to watch this happen to him as well. >> that would be a first because loyalty is a one-way street with trump. second of all, you know, despite all that, he still couldn't summon more than the trumpian mad libs of -- something terrible that's someone has never seen before and sad. that is still his response. loyalty is a one-way street. rudy giuliani, for all his loyalty to trump, never got a cabinet position, never got a high office. so i wouldn't overstate that beyond the impulse that trump has. >> he does not seem to hold it against him. he does not seem to hold it against him that he helped get him impeached the first time which is pretty incredible.
>> they had two impeachments between them. what more could you want? >> it's a bonding experience. >> olivia, john, thank you very much for that. a desperate humanitarian crisis in india. overwhelming numbers of coronavirus cases and deaths. cnn is on the scene with a live report, next. if these beautiful idaho potato recipes are just side dishes, then i'm not a real idaho potato farmer. genuine idaho potatoes not just a side dish anymore. always look for the grown in idaho seal.
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the horror of the pandemic reaching new highs in india. we have new records in terms of daily cases and deaths there. the government reported a global record of nearly 380,000 new cases in a single day record of 3600 new deaths. the actual number is believed to be even higher. cnn's sam kiley live in delhi with much more. sam, give us a sense of what you're seeing there. >> well, john, i am in the same crematorium i spoke to you from about two hours ago. and there's been no let-up in the number of bodies that are being brought in and being put on fires, cremated, given their
last rites, attended on occasion by no member of the family, not even friends. i spoke to one gentleman a bit earlier today who said that he was here to say farewell to a friend that had organized his cremation because -- excuse me, every other member of the family was dangerously ill with covid, including the children. now as you say, the official figures for india are pretty terrifying. but they may well be underestimated by a tune of at least 100%. some people are saying -- some analysts in the world health organization are saying 20 or 30 times the numbers of people declared may have had the infection of covid, may have it. and clearly the death toll is soaring. now in these crematoria, they're burning about 600 bodies a day. this one is burning about 120 people a day. they are treated with as much
care and respect as is possible under the circumstances. and the circumstances are that the public health system and the crematorial system, the system for deal with the dead is getting overwhelmed. the dead here have to queue. the final indignity. they have to queue here at the crematorium, sometimes for hours, while their friends or family or representatives take a ticket, like you would in a bank and wait for a teller to see you. that ticket gets you to here. your final resting place where you'll be burned and then tomorrow morning, the ashes are collected once they've cooled down and handed on to families. but many of these families have no real capability to deal with it because in all probability, as we've been hearing from people here, they are also infected with the virus. the government is getting help, though, john. the united states is pledging $100 million worth of aid. very importantly also the raw
materials that had been embargoed inside the united states are now being released back to india so they can continue to make vaccines to cope with this. but it's far too little, far too late. and going back, really, most of the people here are blaming, frankly, the prime minister narendra modi who has done very little to advance vaccination and allowed political campaigning and hindu mass festivals to become mass spreader events. and this tragically in the old-fashioned sense of the word of tragedy, is the result, john. >> sam, once again, it's overwhelming what you're showing us. i can't imagine what it is like for you and your team, emotionally, to be surrounded by this, physically, it's probably hard to catch your breath with everything that's going on around you. and what i want to know, sam, is there any reason to believe the situation in delhi is getting better? what direction do you think this is headed? could it get even worse?
>> i think the certainty, john is that it's going to get worse before it gets better. things will be improved by the flood of foreign aid that's coming in, in terms of the oxygen cylinders, especially to create enough oxygen to get to patients. people have been trying to find it on the black market, getting it on street corners. there have been rose of vehicles we've filmed here with pipes going from cylinders into the back of the car to treat people gasping for breath. it's as though this whole capital city as collective asthma. everybody seems to be gasping for breath. but it will get better but not until all of that comes online and not until they get on with their vaccination program which has been extended now to people from 18 and above. from may the 1st. but there isn't enough vaccine to go around. >> sam kiley, please, you and your team talk care of yourself. we appreciate your reporting. thank you. federal investigators probing at least two incidents on u.s. soil that seem similar to those mysterious invisible
attacks on dozens of u.s. personnel abroad. these are attacks that cause symptoms known as havana syndrome. and one of these new attacks happened near the white house here in washington. we have cnn intelligence reporter katie bow williams who is here with us. before we get to this news, let's talk about what happened in havana. just remind everyone what we're dealing with. >> this all dates back to late 2016, early 2017 when we had diplomatic and intelligence personnel in cuba and later in moscow and other places around the globe reporting this weird constellation of symptoms. headaches, nausea, dizzy. some of them were later diagnosed with traumatic brain injury. and the problem was nobody seemed to really know what was causing this. was this some kind of directed energy attack by foreign adversary, and, if so, how were they doing it? and a lot of those questions remain outstanding. >> fast forward. one thing when that's happening in havana and moscow. now you have new reporting it may be happening down the street
in washington. >> so what we have learned is that in november of 2020, there was a white house, a national security council official afflicted with some of the same constellation of symptoms while on white house grounds last year, which, obviously, as you say is very unnerving because it is the heart of american government. but similar to these other attacks are these incidents. there's still this sense of, okay, something happened, but we don't know -- they don't know exactly what. >> and who. >> who would be behind this? >> from the intelligence professionals i've talked to, the most likely culprit, if we can establish these are in fafact, attacks, most likely russia, possibly china. it's a sophisticated large nation states the united states is so worried about right now. >> i have to say, if this is all happening, right, this is a huge deal. it's sort of an attack on the united states and the capital of the united states. i know the hill has been briefed here. how certain are they about all of this?
>> the bottom line, they are sure that something happened. there is still this sort of high level of uncertainty within the intelligence community about what exactly is causing this. who is doing it. and even how real some of these symptoms are and which ones can really be traced to some kind of weapon. and to that point, there's been some debate inside government about whether or not some of these case were being taken seriously enough. you've seen at least one official forced to retire because of these injuries come out and say the cia didn't take care of me because they didn't believe my injuries were real. >> we've got a lot more to learn here in the meantime we have to wait and see. terrific reporting. katie bo williams, thanks. just in to cnn, a brand-new snapshot of the u.s. economy. what it says about the u.s. recovery from the pandemic.
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what does it say? >> it's recovering and strongly. this is what you want to see. 6.4% growth in the economy, adding on to a couple of quarters now of a rebound. right now this is that coronavirus recession. this was the worst quarter we've seen since the great depression. last year was an awful year because what happened there. but you're seeing the economy come back. it's because of stimulus. it's because of reopenings, it's because of rehirings so you're starting to see a lot of recovery here. this is what last year looks like. we're hoping now that this year you'll see something like five, six, even 7% growth for the year and that would be one of the best years in recent memory. let's talk about jobs here. we also got the jobless claims number. really important there. look at the trend. that's super important. the trend is what you want to see. still too many people filing for unemployment benefits every single week. still hundreds of thousands, 553,000 in the most recent week. but the trend is your friend in economic figures and it's going in the right direction. >> we like seeing that. very happy thursday to you,
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for the past six decades, late-night tv has grown from a shot in the dark experiment to a cultural phenomenon. now "the story of late night" examines how late night tv not only keeps us laughing but shapes how we see the world. joining us is bill carter, a cnn media analyst and executive producer of "the story of late night." no one on earth knows more about late night than you. how did this happen? how did it go from a place to tell jokes after hours to this shared societal experience? >> basically, i think johnny carson changed it into a nightly
commentary on the news with his monologue and johnny didn't take a point of view on things. but as time changed a lot of things. jon stewart came along with an obvious commentary about the news. david letterman got more outspoken. and now, especially in the last year, two years with the election and donald trump, things were very much out there. and people commenting on what was going on became very much a part of late night. >> and if you asked someone, who is your favorite, they're going to have a strong opinion here. who do you think is the greatest of all time? >> you have to say carson is the greatest because he was on there for 30 years and dominated television. he had a huge audience. when he had the staged marriage of the singer tiny tim, 40 million people watched that show. it's unimaginable to think about that. that's bigger than the population of poland. and they are all watching one late-night show. >> i do know you stiffed chevy chase there. put that in perspective.
how big of a deal was johnny carson compared to where we are now? >> he was the biggest star on television, no doubt about it. everybody, every kind of walk of life from entertainment to sports to news, politics, they appeared on that show. that show dominated television for three decades. and nobody could really challenge him. and now you have a vast array of similar shows with very talented guys. it's just very hard to assemble that kind of audience anymore because the technology has changed and they're streaming and people can watch the shows in the morning. it's not a specific time period anymore. >> bill, thank you so much. we love talking with you about this. the all new cnn original series "the story of late night" will premiere sunday at 9:00 p.m. on cnn. time for "the good stuff." a rare bipartisan moment. president biden going off script to ad lib personal gratitude for mitch mcconnell. the year after then-vice president biden lost his 46-year-old son to brain cancer.
mcconnell called on the senate to rename the bill aimed to accelerate cancer research after beau biden. so the president took a moment last night to thank him. >> i'll still never forget when we passed the cancer proposal, the last year i was vice president. i'll never forget you standing, mitch, and saying name it after my deceased son. it meant a lot. >> mcconnell said it would be fitting to name the bill after someone who would be proud of the then presiding officer. it was nice to see that. it wasn't scripted. i wonder what mcconnell was thinking at the time. a lot going on. our coverage continues right after this.
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