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overnight, fistfuls of hail damaging cars and homes. let's go to chad myers for much more on that. chad. >> big-time hail, john. ten is-ball-sized hail in big towns, all waking up with significant damage. some hail went through the roofs of houses. today sets down a little bit. 3- to 4-inch hail, unheard of here. we're going to see wind damage, thunder and lightning, and flooding. there's a lot of humidity outside right now. it feels like the middle of summer in the south.
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it's just muggy out there. the muggies will make the rain and the storms and even a little bit of potential for wind later on today. by 5:00, a few storms around, maybe even approaching new york city. later on tonight we will see that continue for tomorrow morning. an awful lot of rainful around texas. 4 to 6 more on top of what you saw. "new day" continues right now. hello, i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman on this "new day." one conservative compares president biden's spending proposal to a 15-year-old with a credit card, but can america afford it. plus, the lawyer who oversaw the first impeachment of donald trump, which included giuliani's efforts to dig up joe biden, responds to the fbi raid of his home and office. and a new twist with governor gretchen whitmer. she's going to join us to respond as the suspects are
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facing new charges. children should be taught, quote, the good side of slavery. see the response in the room where it happened. welcome to our view irs in the united states and around the world. it is thursday. here we are to thursday. >> thursday in washington. >> that's right. the worst part about friday is finding out that it is friday, which it is indeed here on april 29th. president biden planning to hit the road on his 100th day in office. he'll hold a rally in georgia where he'll sell his vision for america, which is a vision for a big hand in government and the middle class. >> he spent time last night talking about that and touting his progress with the pandemic and urging everyone to get
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vaccinated. >> i'll not impose extra taxes on anyone making less than $400,000, but it's time for corporate america and the wealthiest 1% of america to begin to pay their fair share. it's time to grow the economy from the bottom and the middle out. after i promised we'd get 100 million covid-19 vaccine shots into people's arms in 100 days, we will have provided over $220 million covid shots in those 100 days. today, 90% of americans now live within five miles of a vaccination site. everyone over the age of 16, everyone is now eligible to get vaccinated right now, right away. go get vaccinated, america. i spent a lot of time with president xi. he's deadly earnest about
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becoming the most significant consequential nation in the world. he and others, ao autocrats, ths others can't compete because it takes too long to get consensus. i made it known that america is back. you know what they say? the comment i hear most of all from them? they say, we see america's back, but for how long. but for how long. my fellow americans, we have to show not just that we're back, but that we're back to stay. we have to come together to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the people they serve, to root out racial injustice. we have a giant opportunity to bend the arc of moral opportunity for justice, real
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justice, and with the plans outlined tonight, we have a real chance to root out systemic racism that plagues america and american lives in other ways. >> white house correspondent john harwood is with us now. it is so lovely to see you. >> great to be on set with the new team. >> yeah. it's great to have you here. so it seemed like this was president biden trying to go for the part of the electorate, the part of the country that democrats here in recent years maybe receded, which is the middle class. >> that's right. what you saw in that clip was a conservational style, direct style, plain spoken, trying to take political language out of it, ideological language out of it, and talking in concrete ways, here's who i'm going to help. single moms should not be thrown out of their apartments. veterans need help.
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people need help with child care. people need help with training and education to adapt to the new technology. the more tangible joe biden could make it, the better for him. he had parts of the speech toward the end that were more of the state-of-the-union laundry list of the politics, but that bread and butter joe biden is the strongest joe biden and that's what he wants to emphasize the most. >> it's interesting to me. he said, this is what the administration will do for you. but also all over the speech was, as we're doing this for you, this is what it does in our competition with china. china was sort of everywhere within this. why? >> well, because -- a couple of reasons. first of all, he's making this case as we heard in the clip that democracy has to show that it can compete with top-down autocracies, where they're going to say, we're going build that road and it happens. you don't have to get consensus. that is a challenge because
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democracy has become our democracy, and others around the world become more polarized, more fragmented. it's also against the backdrop of that insurrection on january 6th. you had a republican president and much of the republican party that were backing a challenge to the election results. so when he says, i'm standing up for democracy, that's really on two levels. it's standing up for democracy within the united states. that ultimately, i think, is the endgame argument for the president when he tries to get this plan. if he doesn't get republican buy-in, he has to go to democrats to say, here's why we need to stick together, and the argument for democracy is a big part of that. >> it's always interesting to see who the opposing party picks for the rebuttal. they chose senator tim scott. this is what he said about race in america. >> today humans are being taught
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col the color of their skin determines who they are. they're making money and power by pretending we haven't had any progress at all. by doubling down on the divisions, we've worked so hard to heal. you know this stuff is wrong. hear me clearly. america is not a racist country. >> what did you think about that? >> well, i think it showed, first of all, why it was smart for republicans to elevate tim scott to give the response. but also the difficulty republicans are having in getting a handle on joe biden, getting a strong attack line against joe biden. you saw this on issues over and over where he would concede. yeah, joe biden seems like a good guy, but he's pulling the country apart. he promised to lower the temperature. obviously he's lowered the
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temperature from donald trump. if you look at the polling, the most significant thing he's done, he's getting broad support from the american people. on race, tim scott, african-american senator from south carolina, was making case that, yes, i understand what racism feels like. i understand what discrimination feels like. but then pivoted to the argument that is pretty widespread within the republican party right now that it's white people who are being discriminated against. so he's saying, kids are being taught, if you're white, you're an oppressor. he didn't say white, but that's what he meant. that is an argument that many republicans believe, but when you look at the context of american society and the history of america as we've evolved to this point, that's a hard argument to sustain that it's really the white people who are the victims here. >> john harwood, great to see you in person. even more attractive than on tv. fbi agents raided rudy giuliani's apartment and office,
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seizing electronic devices. giuliani denies any wrongdoing and says he's the victim of a, quote, corrupt double standard. his son made a wildly political statement outside of his father's apartment. >> anybody, any american, whether you're red or blue, should be extremely disturbed by what happened here today, by the continuing politicization of the justice department. this is disgusting. this is absolutely absurd. and it's the continued polarization of the justice department that we have seen, and it has to stop. if this can happen to the former president's lawyer, this can happen to any american. enough is enough. the only piece of evidence that they did not take up there today was the only piece of incriminating evidence that is in there, and it does not belong to my father. it belongs to the current president's son.
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that's all i have to say. any questions, you can refer to his lawyer. all i will say is this. to all americans out there, our justice department should be independent of politics. enough is enough, ladies and gentlemen. we cannot stand for this anymore. >> joining us now, cnn correspondent jamie dingell. we know this is a big deal. how big of a deal? >> it's huge. this gives you a sense of where the justice department is willing to go. it would have to be a very high threshold for them to do something like this. i have to say also, though, that it's been a while since we've heard statements like that.
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we had four or five years of that, and i think we're going to hear a lot more. the question is, i think, where does this go from here? we just have a small piece of the puz >> what do you think of the explanation coming from giuliani's legal team? >> so the statement is really worth reading. it's actually not from his lawyer. it was the wording is quite odd. this is not a normal statement. it's that he was given permission. and i would say we're back to four seasons landscaping days, guys. there are lines in it like that the justice department, parentheses, came in at dawn. it's very melodramatic, but there's something also that i think we're going to see a lot more of. he's attacking the bidens. he's attacking the clintons. this is less about defending himself and more about where he's willing to go.
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there's one reference in there. you just sort of have to read in between it. he's referred to as former mayor rudy giuliani. i don't think you can separate out the politics of how he's going to try to portray himself. he's still going back to america's mayor. >> it's been a long time. it's been a long time since he was doing that, and a lot el has happened since then that he's been in the middle of. what does this mean for trump world? do you have a sense of how nervous they are this morning? >> first of all, guess what? we have not heard from donald trump. crickets. but i think that donald trump and the people around him have to be saying to themselves, if the justice department is willing to do this -- and let's just say we have no evidence that donald trump is in any way
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connected in this particular case -- but to go back to the justice department threshold, trump has to be wondering where else is this justice department willing to go. and he's been keeping a pretty low profile. he's made two speeches. but he's played a lot of golf. and where is this media plat fofrm he has said he's going to launch? i think he's being advised to keep very quiet. thus far, you know -- let's see if later today we hear anything, but they have to worry about this. >> jamie gangel, thank you very much. joining me now is daniel goldman. he was the lead counsel for donald trump's first impeachment trial. daniel says he saw evidence of
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giuj connections with russia. the fact of the raid is not proof of guilt, but you note it is proof they met a very high bar here. how high? explain that. what does it tell you? >> well, that basically they presented evidence to a judge that a crime -- there's probable cause that a crime is being committed and that there's evidence of that crime in the locations that they searched, and that's his apartment and his home. so you don't do a search warrant along these lines particularly against a lawyer if there are other ways that they feel like they can get the evidence. and clearly they felt like a subpoena was insufficient to get it, that he wouldn't voluntarily turn it over. an order fairly when that is the case, there's some indication if they were to put him off, that they want this information, they don't think they would get everything, either because he's
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not been cooperative, or perhaps -- and this is speculative -- he has either destroyed or disposed of materials in the past. >> to that point, dan, look. i mean, giuliani's known that this has been percolating for more than a year. wouldn't a reasonable person just go and erase everything? >> certainly many would. we know he's not the most tech-savvy person. the real reason why you try to get the phones and electronic devices is because you want to see what was left on there, perhaps encrypted commu communications, whatsapp signals, foreigners. and many across the borders use encrypted apps to do that. my suspicion, jorngs is this is probably not the first search
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warrant they've obtained. they likely would have tried to preserve his emails. and then once they got permission from the justice department, they would have obtained a search warrant for those emails, and they could have used the emails as the probable cause to get additional documents and information and his electronic devices. >> i think it's a really good point. it's very possible they have emails already from the service providers. this is a step further from that. look. you say you saw financial evidence in terms of the impeachment investigation. in laymen's terms so we can understand, what exactly did you see, and what did you think of it then? >> well, we saw some retainer agreements between victoria toensing and some of the corrupt ukrainian politicians. giuliani was asked about that. he said he had an offer to be paid but he turned it down. in many situations, people like giuliani may funnel the money through others to get it back to
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himself. we know he was paid significantly by igor fruman and les pernov who were working on it. they look at the political efforts that jugiuliani was working to dig up on biden. this will show whether he was given any financial benefit for capitalizing on his relationship with donald trump and trying to hide it from the u.s. government that he was actually being paid by ukraine to try to influence the u.s. government. >> dan, rudy giuliani already is trying to claim he was president trump's lawyer and hide behind attorney/client privilege here. how much will that protect him? >> very little. and that's one other richardson go for a search warrant because now what will happen is that there will be a separate team of
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agents and prosecutors reviewing the materials to make sure that anything that would fall under attorney/client privilege is pushed to the side and that the only issues -- the only documents or materials they're using are not sub jec to attorney/client privilege. but remember he overexaggerated what he was doing as representing donald trump. if he is getting paid by others to try to influence donald trump, there's no claim of attorney/client privilege that he can make. >> daniel goldman, really interesting. really important stuck. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. from america's mayor to fbi raids, a closer look at the rise and fall of rudy giuliani from his biographer. plus this. >> if you're having a discussion on whatever the case may be on slavery, then you could talk about everything dealing with slavery, the good, the bad, the ugly. >> there's no good to slavery
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developing overnight, the fbi raiding the home and office of rudy giuliani. giuliani has denied any wrongdoing. let's talk with an author of an upcoming biography about rudy giuliani that's due out next year. andrew, thanks so much for being with us. as you're very well aware, giuliani is writing this off as politically motivated. what's your reaction to what's happened? >> i've been covering rudy giuliani for the better part of 20 years. the arc of this story borders on the tragic. the essence of rudy jugiuliani'
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fame as united states attorney in the 1980s is he was incorruptible. he was kind of the last honest man standing in new york taking on wall trstreet titans. if you would have asked him back then if he was indicted by the same office he was leading, they wouldn't believe you. he was as clean as you could imagine. >> are you surprised that former president trump hasn't said anything? he hasn't made a statement of support or really anything about rudy giuliani. >> you know, if i had to guess, i would think that trump would at some point come out in soup por support of giuliani. the bond between those two in
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many ways has been inexplicable. he got trump in a lot of trouble with ukraine and the election issue. trump has this kind of visceral attachment to giuliani. you know, he cut loose a lot of aides who got him into trouble, but never giuliani. there's a bond between them that seems to be inextricable. i don't see him cutting him loose. >> you don't see him cutting him loose. how do you see this relationship evolving in at all in the wake of this raid? >> well, trump obvious lu doe want to get too close to this investigation and trump is trump. you get to a point where somebody who gets in trouble who's so close to you, you know, fingers begin to point toward you. i mean, there's no evidence that i've seen that trumps with a
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participant in anything that giuliani was accused of. i was looking at rudy giuliani's list of clients last night. his list of clients with foreign dictators and other countries is a mile long. it's the reason that trump did not name him secretary of state. they were just completely scared of all of his foreign clients, and it created a muddle in which people like pompeo and john bolton just refused to deal with giuliani, because they never knew whether they were dealing with the president's attorney or an attorney or representative of other clients, and that's why giuliani's in trouble right now. >> andrew kirtzmam, thank you so much for lending your decades-long perspective on this. >> thank you. >> radioactive to say at this point. meanwhile hospitals
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in the united states, daily coronavirus cases are on the decline, significant decline if you look at it over time, even michigan which was driving much of the surge here. cases are way down, and now hospitalizations are starting to drop in that state too. still, as the cdc is announcing mask mandates, michigan is expanding their mask mandate to include children as young as 2 years old. joining us now, governor gretchen whitmer. thanks for joining us this morning. things are finally improving in your state. why? >> we asked people to all take a pause instead of mandating closing of restaurants again and kids sports. we asked people to double down
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on what we know works. we know a lot more about this virus than we did a year ago. because we were aggressive in the early days, we bought a lot of time. almost a third of michiganders are fully vaccinated. others have had at least one shot. we're going to keep focused on the science and imploring our people to do the right thing and show we can do it. >> a lot of hospitalizations we've seen are younger people, certainly younger than they were months ago. what does the nation need to know about that? what did you learn? >> well, i think it's a stark reminder that none of us is completely immub ne from this virus. certainly we've seen the death toll/mortality rates take such a harsh toll on older people, but young people can get covid too. we still don't know a lot about this virus. we've learned a lot. we know what tools work.
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we've got access to vaccines. but yet we've seen people who have long-haul symptoms. none of us wants our child to get covid, so that's why we have to continue to mask up, take this seriously, and as soon as younger generations are safe to take the vaccine, we want to make sure we get them in to get inoculated. that's the best way out of this top moment. some other federal news. there have been charges against three men who last year were in an alleged plot to kidnap you. the new charges are knowingly use deeg advises to blow up your vacation home in order to hinder police. when did you become aware of the kb tarrant of this plot that prosecutor ace ledge they were playing? >> the more details we're learning, the more disturbing this is. it serves as a stark reminder that words matter. i'm incredibly grateful to the
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fbi and msp. this group was not only scary but intent on harming me and our law enforcement. we saw president biden last night give a great speech about coming together to defeat our common enemy, covid. a year ago i gave a response to the former president's response in his state of the union and i said words matter. i had no idea how important the phrase was going to be. words do matter. the rhetoric has got to stop. we've tot rise to the college and stop vilifying and encouraging these domestic extremists to hurt fellow americans. >> words hurt and history and actions matter. an officer was brutally assaulted and he spoke to don lemo lemon. i want you to listen to this.
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>> it's been very difficult see seeing elected officials white wash the events of that day or play down what happened. a lot of us are still experiencing the emotional trauma and some are dealing with physical injuries as well. >> what do you think of that? >> the narrative is unkind to those trying to make progress in this country. i have seen that in my own case where it's reported as simply as a plot to kidnap. let's be clear. they wanted to put me on some sort of a sham trial and execute me. we don't want to dwell or relive this. it's hard. it is painful. yet we cannot forget. we cannot pretend to let anyone
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pretend or spin that this it's not a serious issue, that it not only threatens the life of fellow americans, but threatens the health and predictability and safety of our democracy. that's what's at stake here. as hard as it is to see these images and have this conversation, we absolutely need to, and we cannot forget and we've got to ensure there's real accountable. >> governor gretchen whitmer, thanks for being with us this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. india is reeling under an unrelenting surge of covid-19 cases, the industry of health reporting new cases every day, with the daily death toll topping 3,000. hospitals say they have an oxygen shortage, there's a nationwide vaccine shortage, and some say they're cremating over 600 bodies a day. joining us now is jeffrey gettleman. he's the social aya bureau chief for "the new york times." he's currently living in new
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delhi. jeffrey, thank you so much. we've been watching with horror the scenes unfolding in some parts of india. tell us how this is affecting your family, your colleagues, and what it is like living in india right now. >> reporter: it's really terrifying, and i know around the world we've all dealt with different versions of this pandemic. what i'm about to share i don't think is necessarily unique to india. we're just getting a really heavy -- it's a really extreme version of it. right now there are variants in the indian population, variants of the virus that are highly contagious and very dangerous. more so than the original version of the coronavirus. they're cutting through this country left and right. i can't tell you how many people i know who have gotten sick, members of my own family, colleagues, friends, neighbors, just about everybody i know. and at the same time, the health care system around us is collapsing. hospitals are running out of
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medicine. they've run out of icu beds. they've run out of ventilators. they've even run out of life-saving oxygen. people are running through the streets gasping for air, dying very preventible deaths. just the combination of those two things, this version of the virus being easy to catch and the fact that if you do get sick, you're really out of luck right now about trying to get help. to be honest with you, this is really scary. >> you paint a very vivid picture in your article. you write, quote, many places are holding mass cremations, dozens at a time and at night. in certain areas of new delhi, the sky glows. sickness and death are everywhere. i'm sitting in my apartment waiting to catch the disease. i'm in here and i feel like it's only a matter of time before i, too, get sick. when you were looking around, jeffrey, at why this happened,
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clearly the government plays a role in here and very much let its foot off of the gas on doing what it needed to about covid, but is this about people gathering inside more? is this about these huge rallies? these religious festivals that have been going on in india? what is the vector? >> reporter: well, all of those issues you raise are really sharp, and that's -- you've hit a lot of the key points. india dropped its guard. it had an interesting experience where it took a heavy dose last year of the cases. it looked overwhelming and then the cases just declined. into the fall and winter, there were very few infections ss spreading in india. there was a sense here -- i haven't left since the pandemic
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began. there was a sense the pandemic was over, that we were different than others. i had people coming up to me because they know i'm american, and this winter when new york was, you know, really in peril and people were getting sick across the u.s., indians would come up to me and say, i'm really sorry about what's happening in the u.s., you know, it looks horrible. in contrast here, it was pretty smooth. very few infections. places were opening up, schools were opening up, businesses were opening up, public was socializing. india is a huge country, 1.4 billion people. in so many parts of the country, people weren't wearing masks. i saw it myself. so many dropped their guard. they did it exactly as the second wave was coming toward us, and the result now is that these infections are spreading out of control. the numbers you cite, about a
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million new infections every day, that's probably a gross underestimation. the data, the testing, the tracking, the numbers here are believed to be way smaller, the official numbers, of what's really happening. india is reporting something like 3,500 deaths a day, and it's probably much, much higher than that. >> the government transparency also a huge issue, jeffrey. we know you've been covering that. jeffrey gettleman with "the new york times." thanks for joining us from new delhi. >> thank you. the state lawmakers seem to suggest the public schools should teach, quote, the good side of slavery. you'll hear the details yourself. and new details surrounding new york's andrew cuomo. who was hiding what and when.
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if you're having a discussion on whatever the case may be, on slavery, you can talk about everything dealing with slavery, the good, the bad, the ugly. >> there's no good to slavery though. >> well, then whatever the case may be. >> so that exchange has gone viral after a republican lawmaker in louisiana argued the public schools and colleges should teach, you heard him say it, the good part of slavery, the good part. the state rep was pushing an education bill that would bar divisive concepts. i want to bring in a state representative. representative, you were the one who spoke out loud. yours was the voice, i believe, who said, wait a second, there's no good side to slavery. i understand the other guy w
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walked back his other statement, but, still, what was going through your head when he was arguing we have to talk the good from slavery. >> thank you for having me on. the chairman had an unfortunate lapse in judgment in using that turn of phrase, the good, the bad, and the ugly, which is a colloquialism, and in reference to slavery. if you listen a few seconds after that, he does realize what he said and said something, i think, to the effect of, oh, my gosh, i shouldn't have used that phrase in reference to slavery, and i apologize. my reaction was very instinctual to say there's no good in slavery. i think that's something 99% of my colleagues would say, republicans and democrats, in making that statement. i don't think i was special in saying it. it was instinctual in making that comment.
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>> maybe it's a slip of the tongue or a feature of the legislation which he's proposing, which calls it a larger course of the academic instruction. look, you know, don't you need to talk about slavery? don't you need to talk about how bad slavery is? the holocaust, you don't need to talk about both sides. you can talk about how bad it is. isn't that a flaw in the legislation that needs promoting? >> yes. slavery and holocaust are two issues that we have agreed there are not two sides to teach to those instances, and i did point that out. actually when you read the bill, the bill when i read it was confusing to understand the mechanics of the question i was asking, the bill actually says it does not prohibit the teaching of divisive concepts as it relates
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to a larger course of academic instruction. and my question to him was, how do you see this playing out in the classroom? that's when he mentioned the good, the bad and the ugly, slavely, and i said there's no good to slavery. that's how that interaction came about. >> shouldn't to an extent, shouldn't the discussion of the holocaust and slavely ry be painful. shouldn't it cause introspection on where we've been? >> i would agree with that. i think that's what's being taught in the schools. we spent five hours on this bill. and during that time, that was part of the discussion was, these are being taught in our schools. i'm a product of -- i went to school in louisiana, and those were certainly taught. but the holocaust and slavery, among many other subjects, and it is painful to understand what people went through in louisiana during slavery and certainly
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what happened during the holocaust. so without a doubt. but that was -- and i think -- i'm positive that's being taught in our schools. what i suggested to the chairman is we're going through an overview of all our social studies curriculum which functions as our statewide school board that this is the time we understand what's being taught in our schools and have that community discussion about it. that is the perfect opportunity for that. but you know, i think what's unfortunate to me is people on tuesday looked at their computer, looked at their phone, looked at their screen and saw that a louisiana lawmaker was talking about the good in slavery. and as a louisiana resident, that's very sad to me. we have a beautiful culture here. i live in new orleans. new orleans is a town that openly welcomes guests, especially as we come out of the pandemic, we certainly want
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people from all over the country and all over the world to look at us as a destination for lively culture and for good times as the case may be. and so it saddened me that that's what people are seeing. i think it was a very unfortunate lapse of judgment in using that phrase, the good, the bad and the ugly in conjunction with slavery. >> representative -- >> but furthermore -- >> i'm sorry. i'll let you finish. >> what i was going to say. in the house education committee, i'm a mother to two young children, 2 and 4 years old. when i think about the work of the house education committee and senate education committee and overall of state government, we need to be focusing on our literacy rates. we just received a report that we have kindergarten, first, second and third graders falling behind in literacy. if you are behind in literacy in third grade, that is not a good
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progress point that could lead to severe issues further on in schooling. we need to look at the expansion of early education and how that coin sightedcides with our work development. those are issues we need to be working through and discussing. >> it's a great point. you wonder why certain things are priority to some people. representative, we thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. did andrew cuomo's administration cover up covid nursing home deaths in new york? new reporting just ahead. and president biden promising to lift forgotten americans last night. we'll ask the white house press secretary if the country can afford his plans. i need a lawn. quick. the fast way to bring it up to speed... is scotts turf builder rapid grass. it grows two times faster than seed alone for full, green grass. everything else just seems... slow. it's lawn season. let's get to the yard. [sfx: psst psst]
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new details have emerged in the alleged cover-up of covid-19 deaths stemming from new york state nursing homes. "the new york times" is reporting governor cuomo's top aides engaged in an ongoing
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effort to prevent state health officials from releasing the full scope of nursing home deaths while underreporting the true death toll by 50%. joining me now is "new york times" reporter david goodman, the lead investigative reporter on this story. david, thank you for being with us on this. this is the latest in a series of articles you and your team have reported on about the nursing home death controversial in new york and you say governor cuomoo aides knew last spring how high the toll was. the question is why? why was this? >> that is the main question. what we've been able to figure out, so an earlier article we were able to show that back in june, top aides to the governor removed the true death toll from a report on nursing homes that came out last july. but what we showed in the article today was that far from a one-time scrub of a report, this is actually an ongoing
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effort throughout nearly all of last year to keep these numbers from being revealed at various instances when the health department in new york state believed they could be shared with the public. and what the administration said was that the numbers were not accurate or were not reliable enough to be made public. the health department believed they were and tried to make them public. now all this activity was happening at the time when governor cuomo was pitching and then writing his book about the pandemic. so there's a coincidence in time there. and it's also at a time when the governor was under heavy fire from republicans and other critics for his handling of nursing homes and his decision early in the pandemic to require nursing homes to take back positive -- covid positive patients after they've been treated in hospitals. and people blamed that decision for the deaths in nursing homes. and that was a focus of the administration to fight back against this political pressure they were under. what seems to have happened, they let the politics get in the way of making public this health
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data that was important to new yorkers, really understanding the true scope of the devastation into the state's nursing homes. >> to be clear, this was happening with the backdrop of the initial reaction of governor cuomo to the pandemic as new york was very much in the middle of it. it was seen as positive. he was seen as transparent. he was getting a lot of good press for it, and he now still points to this being all political. this is my opponents. but the attorney general in this state who he is a fan of or has been a fan of, put out the report that shows this underreporting and what it shows was that the state omitted the numbers from people who contracted coronavirus in a nursing home, which is key because of the guidance the governor put out, and died somewhere else, right? so this is -- this would be the backdrop under which you saw his aides, i guess, sort of messing with the numbers, reducing the


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