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i'm chris cuomo. welcome to a special live late night hour of "prime time." it's 1:00 a.m. in the east. we're break lg down president biden's first address to a joint session of congress. crisis and opportunity. that's what the president said he came to talk about and laid out a sweeping vision for new opportunity. including a $1.8 trillion package for families and education. and a jobs plan that he calls a blue collar blueprint. take a listen. >> american jobs plan is a blue collar blueprint to build america. that's what it is.
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recognizes something i have always said. in this chamber and the other. good guys and women on wall street. wall street didn't build the country. the middle class built the country. and unions built the middle class. >> less about the woke. and the bespoke. and more about blue collar. how did it do? seven in ten who watched told cnn that the speech left them feeling optimist k. now remember, people who respond in the polls and watch the speech tend to be in party with the president. so he's preaching to the converted. that's a good number. what did the better mind think? let's ask mark and -- good to have you both. >> so, mark, did he make the most of the moment? >> yeah.
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no doubt. tonight he'll be praised for giving a speech. stfs more. it was a talk to the american people. something i have seen do up close. it was a town hall atmosphere discussion for him. by doing so, he was able to show his strongest -- the strongest tool he carries. that's empathy. the empathy he showed tonight is going to carry what he trying to sell to the american people. and trying to sell to congress to really write the biggest check possible to get the country back and the folks who pay for it he says it will be the wealthy. it won't be the middle class. they will be glad to hear that. the proof is in the pudding. this is the high water mark for biden. this will be a rough and tumble fight over the bill. >> what do you think worked for him and didn't? >> i thought that you at the start of the segment mentioned a
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key point. a key line from the president's speech. describing saying that a stating it was both crisis and opportunity. he started this with some of the early victories in his administration talking about the 200 million vaccine shots he deliberated thus far. to americans. obviously he wanted to mention that. also seizing opportunity. not just touting these different spending proposals. but the way in which he described them. seemed to be an appeal to not just republicans. not just hesitant moderate democrats. as you mention blue collar america. instd of just describing a more than trillion dollar infrastructure plan. instead of describing how the bill would go to public benefit. he described the bills as job creators. a good example is climate
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change. we have heard the president describe that not just in need to combat something that presents an urgent danger to the world, which of course is valid. something that can create jobs. that's what you saw him do tonight. seize opportunity to try to appeal and have bipartisan appeal. you heard it in the ad lib. did you see him at times sort of point towards the other side of the aisle. the republicans. even on some social things. like police reform. he mentioned ongoing negotiation on that topic. probably a nod to tim scott who had the rebutle. >> the back fill is his point was that the country as an idea is not set up to be racist. not that we don't have racists in the and policy approximate
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problem with racism. does that work as a clean up? >> if you talk to members of the country and criminal justice advocates and folks who watched as police violence continued, they are going to hear that comment and they at that point would question whether or not he is in tune with the incidents that have occurred. of course if the senator he is trying to appeal to and frame that as a sense of unity. the law enforcement community and appeal to the some of those advocates that we stated. what i also thought was interesting in terms of the police reform debate, i have to say i was surprised that the president himself and his speech didn't talk about what his administration is doeng. he did talk and say and talk about the george floyd policing
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act. the white house often when you ask what they're doing on police reform. trying to give congress the room to pursue legislation. the administration announced recent practice pattern investigations into the minneapolis police department, louisville police department. things the white house can do without legislation in congress. such as pursuing more investigation into police departments and consent decrees. i was surprised the president didn't describe some of the recent acts we have seen. when it comes to police violence. my colleagues today are reporting on another shooting that occurred in chicago. that was caught an body camera footage. it will been ash that has a will the of attention going forward. there's attention on the pandemic and vaccines. it will be interesting to see if this is the next priority. >> i heard that earlier he should have said more. tim scott bailed him out on the
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issue. in terms of space of the politics of race, scott will take heat. for what he said. even though he'll make the obvious point. you don't get to come at me and tell me i don't understand racism in america. that will take the energy away from biden and what he did or didn't do. his problem is you can't get any of this done. you can get a will the of it through on reconciliation. not without joe manchen. i think he's a false boogy man. east not the only one that has problem with the price tag. how does he navigate the politics to get it done. >> a very difficult position. joe biden needs to try to take the whatever momentum he has and the fact he has the real progressive liberal side of the party with him. he's got to charge it through. and push it through. as we know he has a limited time
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in congress to get anything done. specifically in washington now which certainly the most polarized i have seen it. we can go back and debate it over history. what he has to do is convince joe man chi there's one opportunity to make it happen. and cinema in arizona. there's one opportunity to make it happen. there's going to be talk of them trying to woo republicans over. in the end republicans are likely going to stay with themselves. they will not break with the party. i think that this is going to happen. joe biden will be more liberal than liberals thought he was going to be. i think we will see action on these things here in washington. it will be ugly. we will see action on it. >> the trick will be will schumer put this through the legislation legislative process?
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that's the mistake the democrats could make is that you make it too easy for the republicans to say how could kbyou put this on us? it doesn't take that much time. you lose high ground. you allow thoem say they didn't work with us. they forced it down our throats. will they put it through the process if it takes more time? it gives them full chance to get the full ranges to get on board. >> they'll talk about and pay lip service to democratic chairman who want to say they're involved in making this happen. in the end if they go through the reconciliation process. which is a process that's never ever really used a way to get things done to usurp the rules many place. if you'll do that, you're all in. you're all in at that point. you throw the politeness out the
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window. >> let's play some sound of biden about how to pay for this and how it will play. in terms of how he will pay. >> how do we pay for the jobs and family plan? i made it clear, we can do it without increasing deficit. let's start with what i will not do. i will not impose any tax increase on people making less than $400,000. it's time for corporate america and the wealthiest 1% to begin to pay their fair share. >> you know what's coming. they pay all the taxes. what's this guy talking about? he's going to kill the economy. tax and spend. it took a guy as old as biden to bring back old school democratic tax and spen. where's the country in terms of how this will be brought across? >> it's fascinating.
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that right there that subject that soupd bite is what you can point to when especially when you talk to people on the hill. where it becomes -- it's more convincing that the democrats will pursue reconciliation when it comes to pushing this legislation. when it comes to republicans, they're going to question wait a minute, how are you going to pay for in? senator manchen on the way out said i thought the speech was well delivered however i'm interested in the details. the country -- early polling indicates. does support the rescue plan. they are supporting obviousl y
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there's a rebutle. republicans made a strong play. tim scott the sole african-american member. he has lived the american reality. he knows what race looks like in his life. as racism. but, at the end of it, do you see any room for where these two sides can go from left and right to reasonable? our political pros, next. hey cue my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a little differently. hey, i'll take one, please! wait, this isn't a hot-dog stand?
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no matter how with voted. this was the pitch. you heard it again. our nation is starving for more than empty platitude. we need policy and progress that brings us closer together. for three months in. the actions of the president and his party are pulling us further apart. >> how did this line from senator tim scott of the republican party go with reasonable people from the right? charlie dent and aman da carpenter. the idea of biden as great divider. does that work? >> i can see what he was trying to do. the traditional role when you give the response you put on a partisan hat and why the blue team is bad and the red team is good. it just felt off. it's not what is dividing
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republicans and democrats, it's what has been dividing republicans. i don't know how you can say those word after the insurrection and trump supporters storm the capitol. and there's zero reflection on the point. it takes a certain amount of obtuseness to say those word. >> what'd you think? >> his response was pretty good. measured. on that point, i think biden has actually turned down the temperature. he's tried to normalize things. he responded to covid well. in that sense i thought scott was a little off. over all i thought he made some good points. he talked about race frankly than the president. which i thought was interesting. and spoke in defense of the
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georgia election law. it's more liberal than new york and pennsylvania. it was interesting. police reform he took a jab at the democrats for fill bustering his bill last congress. now in the republicans use it it's a racist human rights violation. it's hypocrisy. over all both were conciliatory. >> it is an interesting place. for the republican party right now. they put forth tim scott. supposed to be the best step forward in terms of meeting the new america. he says america not racist. >> yeah, it's funny to watch. not only the pair of speeches but the over all conversation that's going on between the two parties. consistently on the left you have biden and ore democrats serving up policy after policy in goodies to give to americans.
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we can talk about republicans opposing that. that is the thing. they are insisting on have this different conversation about the culture war. that is what tim scott fts doing talking about racism. this wasn't -- this was a play to say remember the democrats make everything about race. they want to divide us up and turn every conversation into republicans are racist. we're fed up with that. that message is extremely appealing to the trump base. tim knew exactly what he was doing. feeding that message. it's out of place. biden is trying to have a policy discussion. >> weird moment in history. you couldn't have had a white man give that speech. if a white man came out and said they make everything about race. america is not racist. the left would immediately tag the guy at racist.
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you're not calling tim scott a racist obviously. he lived the negativity of the experience. he has the life story and the pigment. he can say whatever he wants. it is an interesting play. i don't think the current gop can handle a member of the ranks saying this is a racist country and reward it with support. do you? >> i would agree. i heard what he said. it's fair to say there are racist ts in america. but it's not a racist nation. he was trying to move beyond the race conversation. and he pointed out he did point out the hypocrisy sometimes of the democrats on these issues when they say the filibuster is racist. when they used it, it was for a noble pursuit. to block the police reform bill for example. he was trying to point out some of that.
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and again he can get away with it. easier than a white republican would have been able to. you are right about that. >> the idea of them working with democrats on anything as term of policy discussion. what is the chance of that? >> there's so much to choose from. what i find curious is that everyone acknowledges what he is proposing is transform change that will change the relationship americans have with the government. and immediately turn arpd and say where's the republican support? that answers its own question. there's not a lot to bring republicans to the table. could i pick out some things, yes i could. for example, he's interested in police reform. i was disappointed he didn't push the conversation on getting rid of qualified immunity.
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that's something he's working on. there's ripe opportunity to get something done. he put on the participate san hat and wanted to talk about democrats blocking him last year. there's plenty of interest in the subject now. you can pick and choose. but on the table we want a $2 trillion bill. you won't any takers. you won't find any takers. >> that's the right play. the democrats will make it easier. for you if they don't follow ordinary process. what's your instinct on whether or not schumer who is supposedly known for being savvy to this game puts it into committee. on the floor. so you can see the mark ups. you can see what amendments people put forward and get a sense of whether or not the resistance from the right is specific and principal. or justth politics of opposition. >> if you're talking about infrastructure bill, i think joe
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biden tonight actually laid out an olive branch for republicans on infrastructure. and alternative proposal. i think they may try to do infrastructure to regular order on a more bipartisan basis. i do believe that. i think anything they'll do on taxes they will try to jam through reconciliation. separate the two issues out. the challenge is pay put forward a serious infrastructure proposal that has some pay for. that are credible. that opens it up for the democrats to use reconciliation for their tax agenda. >> how big a deal was it to have two women in the positions the poll positions of power behind the president and obviously speaker of the and vice
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president harris. >> it was cool. i'm jealous they're not republican. i wish they were. one moment for republican women that i did like and i did appreciate was the joe biden fist bump to liz cheny when he walked in. >> what does that mean? >> he recognizes what she's doing and respects it. >> in terms of where this is going to be headed. yes, the air of big government is back. biden will say it has to be we're in hard time. let's make opportunity. is that just going to be the line and no one on the right will step anywhere near it because that is a to the politics of the midterms? >> i think the joe biden is misreading his mandate. it was to normalize and stabilize the country and govern ourselves. which has done with covid. and high marks for that. i don't think the mandate was this to go this big.
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6 trillion in spending in the first year. he's misreading that. these proposals are not quite as popular as he thinks they are. i think he's taking a great risk given the fact he has such narrow majority in the house and in the senate. he's taking a great risk. and willing to go this big and forsake the house because he fig yirs he won't get anything in the second two years of the term. he's taking a huge gamble with the go big proposals. i don't think that's what the american people voted for. they wanted to get rid of trump. they want rest not a revolution. they're getting more of a revolution. >> different flavor of revolution. emphasis tonight on january 6. january 6th is a weak spot for the right in terms of caring about law and order. i say it on my show. i don't want to hear about blue
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lives matter if you don't own what happened on january 6. to 100 officers. there's clearly a decision opt right to ignore that and play it down. while any other act of violence can't be called terror quickly enough especially with a muslim. how big a deal can this play in the culture war? >> it's the single biggest shadow hanging over the republican party. i think the gop is frozen. not only in terms of policy but what kind of confidents they run. candidates they run. trump still hasn't conceded. people haven't come it terms what that led to. no reflection. a will the of voters remember. and republicans remember. this continues the big election lies continue in the states. georgia and arizona. with the audit and the campaign to restrict voting.
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in many ways. because of the lies trurp told. that is ongoing. i really there's a will the of reasons i want covid to be over. i wish it would have been over today so the republicans could have been in the room and joe biden could have made a harder case to them about it to their face. >> appreciate you both. we have more coming up on the speech. also this is an interesting turn on the investigation. with the raid on rudy giuliani. it's unusual. a search warrant is probable cause. same level for arrest. it's not the highest burden in the world. it's very rare to see someone's lawyer get hit with a search warrant. you know who the last lawyer we saw get it? cohen. what does this mean for the donald trump? next.
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we saw today an extraordinary move by the department of justice. this raid by federal agents at apartment and office of rudy giuliani. the move is part of a two year investigation into giuliani activity in ukraine. let's discuss the investigation with former fbi special agent. so, getting a warrant for someone who is presumed to be the attorney for the former president. how hard. what does it mean? >> it's very hard. there's a high bar. that would have had to have gone to main justice and we know from the reporting that exec cuting this warrant was denied before the election. this has been in the works for a while. because of the 60 day window that the doj observes before
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election, the police department wasn't allowed to execute. because of attorney client privilege this is a high bar. to get a search warrant you have to demonstrate to a federal judge you believe you'll find evidence of crime at the location and specific devices or locations you are indicating in the affidavit. this is something that comes much later in the investigation. in other words you have to have a accumulated a lot of evidence in order to justify taking the intrusive step of the search warrant to begin with. this doesn't look good for mr. giuliani and we'll see what goes forward. >> the warrant is more likely to be a middle towards the end of a process than initiator. you have to get sufficiency for a judge to buy you know what you're going to find.
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or in the universe. it becomes what would the exposure be. we hear about he didn't register as a lobbyist to a foreign national. the act they'll get him on. does trump have expore sure? >> people have been throwing it around. let's talk about what it means. foreign agent registration act. it seeks to basically create some transparency in our government function. so if someone is acting at the direction or control of a foreign principle, in their dealings for example lobbying. or other influencing government. they need to disclose that. the people who on the receiving end need it know this is a foreign government or foreign official trying to get these things done. what would be the concern behind a violation is that there was foreign influence in the
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activities he was engaged in. during this time it was seeking dirt on hunter biden. in order to basically help trump's election efforts and seeking to have ambassador yovanovitch ousted from ukraine. there are official steps he was trying to get. the question was he doing that. this is a an investigation. was he doing that at the direction and control of foreign government and officials. >> what does this mean tort former president? >> it depends on what did the president know. we know that for example president trump had the ambassador to ukraine recalled. we know he was asking for the newly elected president of ukraine to start investigation into joe biden. was he aware that his attorney was engaged with the officials?
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i think that's the link that needs to be established. i will say in his impeachment proceedings, the perfect call. if you'll remember. when he is talking to zelensky he's referring him to talk to giuliani. to get things in motion and do these things. giuliani was a middleman here. i think the president exposure with this and just by the way there could be other things also that the fbi is investigating. we don't know. this would seem like the most obvious thing at least the tip of the iceberg. >> if people try to wave it away and saying we saw it with cohen and never got trump in trouble. is that apples to apples? >> um -- it really depends on what they find. that was -- it was a different violation first of all. that was the campaign finance violation. and one thing that i think we
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have seen with trump is he is quite good at i think cohen testified to this, getting others to execute plans he wants done. but maybe not without having direct order or paper trails or money trails. so, there could be a lesson there. i think that in many ways we know for example particularly with ukraine because of the impeachment proceedings, he was directly involved in at least some aspect of the angles. end goal. of giuliani's efforts. he maybe less further removed in this situation than he was with the cohen investigation. >> i like the point you made. that all this talk about it not happening before the election. not only is that consistent with the 60 day preelection window. maybe barr and his guys didn't want to do it. that maybe a good thing.
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had they served it it might have triggered trump to pardon him. unless he did a pocket pardon. which we would know about. he cannot avail himself of the relief. >> thank you. >> president biden urged a joint session of congress to pass a police reform bill in george floyd's name. in time for the anniversary of his death. the lone black republican in the senate who delivered the response says he is meeting with negotiators tomorrow. on policing legislation. does our policing pro see compromise coming? next. i love our scuff-free life. behr ultra scuff defense. exclusivively at the home depot.
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we have to come together. to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the people they serve. root out systemic racism in the criminal justice system. and police reform in george floyd's name. that passed the house already. republicans have their own ideas and engaged in a productive discussions with democrats in the senate. work together to find a consensus. let's get it done next month. by the first anniversary of george floyd's death. >> president biden putting forth that urgent plea to rebuild
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trust between police and the communities they serve. on the same day a north carolina judge ruled that video from four body cameras in last weeks shooting death of brown jr. will not be leased publicly for now. let's discuss it all. bark, the first barrier is the premise that there is a need to rebuild trust. you listen to people on the political right. they'll say the only reason there's a trust issue is dumb mys like you. you bring up bad situations in policing that have as much as comp plis with the cops and there's no trust. it's on you not the police. >> i believe that the police and those focusing on reform must figure this out. we're seeing cops leave numerous departments in droves. the reform issue is on the table. the cops need to acknowledge
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that some of the they thinks that we the world that you have been pointing to, are real. this is happening. we need to restore the trust. the trust of the community. the trust of those who pay their salaries. those they are supposed to serve. and too far to the left, too far to the right. if you speak the truth you're the problem. it's a tough spot. for the country. we have to figure it out. >> so, for those of you who haven't been watching on this show. a former acting commissioner of police in baltimore. he understands investigations that can be political sensitive. i don't understand what happened in north carolina. today. i get a judge saying, the locals want to go slow here. it may hinder an investigation. i get it. first of all i thought the case was taken and given to the state and the state the entity the
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state bureau of investigation. they say we'll defer to the locals. what was the point of taking the case from them? >> it's a joke. i don't know what's going on in north carolina. this is something where i see the federal government really is the one. it's going to be the biden administration. that is going to have to push for justice. in north carolina. >> the governor wanted it. i want the video out. the sbi is under his direction. why defer to the le cals? >> it's seems like there's a game of keep away. it's just not acceptable. and the brown family and the world deserve better. especially that community. >> the sheriff said this. sheriff again he's not supposed to be running this anymore. i'm not criticizing him. the state decided. they decided to take the case. i don't know why we're following his feelings about it. i wanted the body camera footage
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to be released as soon as possible. i'm disappointed. as soon as the important facts are given to me i will act quickly to ensure accountability and be transparent with the public. he said he wanted the footage released out of fear it might cause issues if you don't. >> why not? >> tell us what you saw. if he's seen the video. go ahead and tell us what you saw. you tell us. the judge has seen it. tell us what you saw. there's something wrong here. it's like a episode of -- dukes of hazard. it's just corrupt and we're going to do what we want to do and you get over it. we don't need to the citizens of north carolina can't get over it. so, it's not making sense. >> the district attorney said that we don't want the tapes
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out. by the way, he ran into them with his car. release the tape. if you want to see that they needed to do this because he posed a threat, show us. you know what will happen now. the family will watch it. and you and i are going to have to rely on the family's recitation of what they say. no disrespect to the family. they shouldn't be put in the position of being a fair broker on what their loved one did or didn't do in the situation. and what police did. that ended in his death. >> 100% correct. you are spot on. and if the officers were acting properly, why not show it? why put it -- why hold this away from the public. risking riots and the trust the transparency that you said you want with the public. it's not making sense. we have to do something.
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>> we will do something. we'll stay on the story. i will keep calling on your expertise and piece it together. i don't want to do it this way. i want the footage to come out. and this was wrong. that we have. we knew how it ended. look at this and this. now what's the analysis? we want it to be fair and open. transparency is trust is truth. be well, see you soon. almost all of the president's speech was scripted. so what? that's what they are. however a moment off prompter. one of the most powerful. that also can happen. what was the impact? we discuss next. move, move, move, move aaaaand still fresh. degree. ultimate freshness activated when you move.
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president biden did go off script. it was about a tribute mitch mcconnell made to biden's late son, beau, in 2016. that was the year after biden lost his 46-year-old son to brain cancer. mcconnell called on the senate to rename a bill, aimed at accelerating cancer research, after beau. the president made it a point to say thank you. >> i'll, still, never forget, when we passed the cancer proposal in the last year i was vice president. almost $9 million going to nih. and if you excuse the point of of personal privilege, mind if i get you standing, mitch, to name it after my deceased son. it meant a lot. but so many of us have deceased sons, daughters, and relatives who died of cancer. i can -- no more worthy
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investment. i know nothing that is more bipartisan, so let's end cancer as we know it. it's within our power. it's within our power to do it. >> thank you for watching. i want you to stay tuned, because the news continues here, on cnn.
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