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i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm alisyn camerota. we are continuing to follow breaking news out of new york. any minute we expect to hear from former trump attorney rudy giuliani following a raid of his manhattan apartment earlier today where, as far as we know, at least electronic devices were seized by agents. the former new york mayor has been the focus of a criminal
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investigation surrounding his activities in ukraine in the run-up to the 2020 election. giuliani has not been charged and he denies any wrongdoing. >> cnn legal affairs correspondent paula reed is f following it all. paula, you have new information on what this warrant said exactly. >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with mr. giuliani's attorney and he describes some of what was in this warrant. he said specifically this warrant describes the investigation as one into possible violations of foreign lobbying rules. it also specifically seeks communications between his client and several individuals, including columnist don solomon, who wrote a lot on the issue about ukraine in the leadup to the election. this is a significant turning point into this investigation, which is looking into whether rudy giuliani was lobbying on behalf of officials in ukraine while also serving as the president's personal attorney.
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giuliani has not been charged with any wrongdoing at this point, but it's incredibly unusual to execute a warrant on a lawyer, especially someone who served as attorney for a former president. this is really a remarkable development in this ongoing investigation. >> it really is. kara, you are outside of rudy giuliani's apartment. do we know what they got in this raid? >> reporter: no, we don't know what they picked up in this warrant, but they had previously seeking his electronic devices in any other material related to this investigation into foreign lobbying. giuliani's attorney also confirmed that in addition to his apartment, which is just behind me, they also executed a search warrant today on his office. so, they're really doing a big sweep of all materials that giuliani had as this investigation is focused on the foreign lobbying efforts he was engaged in on behalf of both the former president and what they're looking into is whether this effort to dig up dirt on
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the current president joe biden and his son, had efforts pushed by ukrainian government officials. that's the big push for this investigation, was giuliani working with ukrainian officials. there was a lot of material that came out through the impeachment proceedings about his communications with john solomon and other attorneys as well as ukrainian officials. they worked with parnas, associates of giuliani, who have been indicted on campaign charges. this is a sweeping moment in this investigation where they're able to get their hands on materials that are both in giuliani's office as well as his home right behind me. we're expecting giuliani to address the search warrant that was executed earlier this morning on his radio show shortly. >> that will be interesting. thank you very much. please come back to us as soon as you have any other developments. joining us now, cnn white house correspondent john harwood, gloria borger and elliot
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williams. thank you very much for being here for this breaking news. elliot, i want to start with you as our law enforcement mind. just when i thought i could erase the names lev parnas and igor furman from my memory bank. can you tell us what rudy giuliani was digging up dirt on donald trump's potential political enemies? >> the foreign agent registration act, and what it says is that when individuals lobby the federal government, our government, on behalf of another government, they have to make a notice about it or declare it on the federal government. it's quite simple. we as a nation want to know when people are acting on behalf of foreign governments, and the ukrainian government here. that's really what's at issue here. all this stuff about hunter biden and so on, the question is did rudy giuliani improperly
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advocate on behalf of ukrainian interest to the federal government. so, the question here is -- i think what's striking is the nature of the lobbying. when you talk about the various reasons why people lobby the federal government, some might be for more pork bellies or, you know, to launder the public relations of another country. this was actually acting, to some extent, at ukraine's behest. an important note about farah, it's rarely charged by itself. in the searching of one's home, they might find more information about other crimes. i think that's what we should keep our eyes on here. what comes out of this down the road. >> the question of why now and why not potentially several months ago, we knew that during the trump administration the deputy attorney general then had stiff-armed any execution of warrants on giuliani as part of the investigation. could this have been because of
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new, more pertinent evidence or indications that they needed to move now, or is this a change to lisa monaco and that deputy agent position or merrick garland in that position? >> it would appear more likely to be the latter, that is to say, the impediment that was posed by the trump administration being removed rather than new information. this is an investigation that's been going on for some time. let's just remember, it is not some random coincidence we're talking about ukraine with respect to rudy giuliani. this is directly connected to the story of russian interference that began in 2016. remember, donald trump hired paul manafort as his campaign manager. paul manafort had been a consultant to the ukrainian leader who was aligned by vladimir putin and then ousted. russia interfered in the election. paul manafort, while he was running donald trump's campaign, was communicating with
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konstantin, who the treasury department identified as a russian intelligence agent. what happened in 2020 was an extension of that story. the russians wanted to absolve themselves and push the false idea that it was ukraine that interfered in the election. donald trump advanced that story line. donald trump also pressed ukrainians for dirt on joe biden. so, this was all part of an attempt to, again, help donald trump absolve russia. it's worth noting, bre left office, donald trump pardoned paul manafort, who had gone to jail without telling all that he knew about president trump in 2016. one of the questions we have going forward is, if rudy giuliani is really in as serious as hot water as it looks right now, what does he know about president trump? if he knows it, will he tell it? >> gloria, this is the second time a personal attorney to
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donald trump's home and/or possibly office have been raided by the feds. this happened to michael cohen. we all remember that he then ended up cooperating and, in fact, testifying in front of congress about what he knew about donald trump. so, what do we think rudy giuliani's next moves are? >> well, we'll hear pretty quickly. i'm sure he's going to fight this. but the question that i have really is, i know we're all talking about this lobbying violation and i know it's usually not prosecuted, but as john was pointing out before, you know, the intelligence community put out a report that strongly suggested that rudy giuliani may have been part of a russian interference operation in the last election. wittingly or unwittingly. is that what they're looking for here? what kind of conversations are going to be on those devices? are those conversations with the former president of the united
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states? are those conversations with his two buddies who, you know, are now criminally charged. so, you know, i think this story probably has a long way to unravel. and sometimes you can get a warrant looking for one thing and you find something else out. and i -- you know, i'm thinking that that may be what is happening here, although you do have to go to a judge, you do have to convince a judge that, yes, this is important. and so it may be the lobbying problem, but it may be more. >> elliot, despite the shock and surprise that giuliani's attorney is expressing through statements. again, we're expecting to hear from giuliani some time soon in response to these raids. we would expect they thought this was coming at some point because the reporting was
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obviously public that there were these attempts to get search warrants on his devices, on his homes that were being held off by jeffrey rosen under the bar a.g. in the last administration. they likely expect this was coming? >> right. i guess they had to. the judge efry rosen relationship only at the very end of the barr administration. our understanding based on report is this started prior to election day. look, it's not uncommon. any administration, republic or democratic, would have delayed the execution of a search warrant for this about the 60 days prior to election day to avoid the appearance of political conflict. so, this goes back to at least, i believe, as early as last summer, if not longer. yes, this should surprise no one and, frankly, the statements coming out of rudy giuliani and his attorney are more attacking the process. it's federal government run amuck and name calling and stuff
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like that. i don't think there's any real reason for shock or surprise. >> how do you think former president trump will react publicly and privately, what he'll be doing? >> well, i think in both cases, he's going to be upset and he'll express himself. first of all, it represents law enforcement getting closer to him. and even if he does not have exposure in this situation, the idea that somebody close to him was caught up in this way is something that is going to fuel his ability to say, look at what the biden administration is doing. he's been talking for a long period of time about the russia hoax, about how bob mueller and crazy democrats were going after him. now you have a democratic president. he's going to fuel that story line. of course, there are significant number of republicans who believe him. but the fact that this investigation started well
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before joe biden was ever elected and has been going on for months and career justice department officials and people in the fbi had been advancing the idea of this warrant, that provides some insulation from that charge for joe biden. joe biden, it may be that we learn when all the facts come out, that all joe biden's justice department did was get out of the way of an investigation that was rolling down the tracks to begin with. >> john harwood, gloria can borger, elliot williams, thank you all. we have much more ahead on this breaking news. >> we sure do. plus, a judge has just decided that the family of andrew brown jr. will get to see the body cam video of his death, but the public will not. van jones joins us live to discuss. president biden's first address to joint session of congress is hours away. would he give you a preview.
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senator in a new hours, it will be his turn. he'll be there at the podium for the first address to a joint session of congress of his administration. just shy of 100 days in office. president biden will call for
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another trillion plus public investment. this time in free education and child care, paid family leave. >> i would say an active spectator. there's a lot of nodding. >> a lot of nodding, pointing occasionally as well. >> president biden's joint address comes as we get a fresh read on how americans are grading his first 100 days in office. according to a new cnn poll. 53% of the country approves of the job he's doing. 43% disapprove. gloria can gloria borger and john avlon are back with us now. john, you like history and you write books about it, in fact, presidential history. the fact that it's 53 approval of the job he's doing, 43 disapprove, that isn't very high. but, of course, we're at a different time than any other president has been in terms of the divisiveness of the country. what do we make of those numbers? >> it's ten points higher than donald trump and that's the key. what we've seen is this deeply polarized time is joe biden's first 100 days, he's still been able to stay above water.
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his disapproval number, relatively low, and his numbers in terms of whether people believe he cares about people like them are very high. that's a key empathy gauge. keep an eye on those numbers. as he extends his speech, he'll go big with bold, surprisingly bold progressive agenda. at the same time, he has to square the circle with his commitment to reach out and reunite. to republicans in the country at large if not republicans in the chamber. >> there will be no thunderous applause in the chamber tonight, gloria, obviously because there will only be 200 people there instead of the typical 1,600, but there will be, as john mentioned, some enthusiasm, maybe 100 days ago some would not have expected from progressives in the president's party, even alexandria ocasio-cortez saying he has an impressive agenda after these first 100 days. >> and bernie sanders seems to be joe biden's best friend these
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days. i think progressives are happy because he's proposing a lot of stuff. whether it's going to get through, he's laying down markers about what he wants and that's quite important. when he came into office, there were two things. one, he wanted to get vaccines in arms and, two, money in people's pockets. and he kept saying that over and over and over again. tonight what you can expect is he's going to say, you know what, i did that, but he's not somebody to brag about how great he is. we had that for the last administration. he's going to talk about what needs to be done and talk about the importance of government in our lives. so, ronald reagan used to say, get government out of your life. joe biden's going to be more like fdr. >> good point. he'll also be talking about more spending, spending he feels is
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necessary. obviously he's gotten tons of pushback from republicans, even like democrat joe manchin. but i want to talk about style for one second. it's been pointed out by various media pundits that this is not exactly his strong suit, the big room, raise the rafters kind of speech. he's better at the intimate one-on-one sitdowns or speaking right into the camera. so, what do you think he has to do tonight to deliver this? >> i think he has to deliver a strong speech without losing intimacy. he's been walking an odd line. he's trying to present himself as a kinder clint eastwood type figure. he's not a deeply charismatic guy but he has credibility. that's his core asset. he has to be able to translate that into this comparatively empty chamber and still speak to people at home with enough focus and passion to be convincing. at the end of the day, his overarching message is he can make government work again. it's about competence, not charisma.
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>> kaitlan collins said it's been a long speech that's been shortened some. how much do you think that speech will be dedicated to a topic in which he has some of the lowest approval ratings, the southern border, criticized by not only republicans but some members of his own party? >> probably not as much as he's going to devote to the things that he thinks he has accomplished. biden is somebody who's going to say, this is what is left to do, this is what we need to do with immigration. we have to have a path to citizenship. he may mention the southern border. i think what he's going to talk about is how he thinks the government can come out of what we've been through for the past year or, in fact, for the past four years, and help average americans. what he wants and where he's going to get that money, whether it's taxing corporations or taxing the wealthy to a degree, not taxing the middle class, and what he is proposing, i should
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say, is very popular in the country. when you're proposing infrastructure, and you know, the country is all for it. over 60% of the american public says, we need to repair roads and bridges. i venture they would also say, we need to give broadband to rural communities. so his game plan has been to propose things that are already popular in the country, even though they may not be popular with a lot of the republicans in congress. >> gloria borger, john avlon. our coverage starts tonight at 8:00. thank you both. >> thanks, guys. new developments in the andrew brown case in north carolina. a judge has denied the media's request to publicly release body cam video. he is going to let some people see it, at least soon if not immediately, as community outrage intensifies. we have van jones up with us next. . that's why at america's beverage companies, our bottles are made to be re-made. not all plastic is the same. we're carefully designing our bottles to be one hundred
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despite legal requests from the media, including cnn, a north carolina judge will not publicly release law enforcement body cam videos showing the deadly shooting of andrew brown jr., but he will allow immediate family members to view these and one attorney. the judge said turning over the video to the news media could affect a potential trial of the officers involved. thus far the family says they've only seen 20 seconds, just a clip, from a single deputy's
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body camera. the sheriff has called for a full release and said the ruling is not what he had hoped. joining us now is cnn political commentator van jones. van, what's your response to this judge's ruling? >> it doesn't make a lot of sense. we just saw a trial where the whole world has seen the video. there was a trial, a fair trial, and you had an outcome. these videos are being seen all over the place, all the time. is there something so horrific about this particular video that, you know, it's going to be espe especially prejudice? even what they describe in court as what happened doesn't make sense. you know, in court they were describing a situation where the officer -- where mr. brown is driving away and they're firing on the car. i'm sorry. you can use deadly force if you are protecting yo you are own
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life, if you are in deadly peril. a car driving away from you is not putting you in peril. even what they described doesn't make sense. even the sheriff is baffled by why the judge is doing this. >> something else that wasn't clear, an argument made by with one of the attorneys trying to block release, if you release the video without explanation and full context, that people will reach their own conclusions that are possibly erroneous. you know what's been happening for seven days without the video? people reaching conclusions because there's no clarity from the sheriff's office or from the county. >> that's exactly right. i think that you have seen in other situations and scenarios things get worse when there's no trust. things get worse when there's a sense there's a cover-up. things get worse -- for instance, you know, the district attorney didn't like the characterization of this being an execution by one of the attorneys. well, you don't like the -- this
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person describing it, then let other people see it. there's a simple way to resolve this. i know the governor is very interested in reviewing this law and changing this law. you want more transparency, not less. i think juries throughout this entire period the past couple of years have proven they can come down on one side or the other no matter how many videos are out in the public. >> there's the suggestion maybe andrew brown was driving towards the deputies and their lives were in danger. if there was something he exonerating of the police officers, don't they release the video? >> yeah, it usually gets out there. the crazy part is what they are describing themselves they did is unlawful by their own description. listen, there was a case in the late '90s, sheila who was shot by a san francisco police officer. he fired one shot at the front of the car. the car went by, he fired another shot and then he fired
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into the back of the car. the first shots is lawful. the second question is questionable. the last shots in the back of the car are absolutely unlawful. this is not hard stuff here. >> van, let's turn towards the president's address tonight. he will be dedicating a significant portion of his address to passage of the george floyd justice in policing act. we know republican senator tim scott is going to deliver the response for the republicans. he's working with democrats on potential negotiations. what does the president need to say, because he's got to not only convince some of the republicans in the room in the senate and people at home, according to our latest polling on how american people feel about policing? >> look, there's a lot of common ground, shockingly, on policing. you wouldn't think so if you listened to all the hubbub. i think americans don't feel comfortable with the chokeholds. a majority of americans think if
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a cop like chauvin has a record of complaint after complaint, that should be recorded and available for people to know. cops go from precinct to precinct and from department to department. i think there's also a discomfort with the idea that if a police officer sees another police officer breaking the law, that the police officer has no duty to intervene. that's not -- there are some things that are just bipartisan that have come out, the no-knock warrants. some stuff is bipartisan, that's come out. let's at least get that done. i think tim scott is in a very interesting position because he is so conservative on so many issues. he's african-american, but he is a conservative african-american, but he could play a jack kemp role, which we haven't had anybody like that in the republican party for a long time, to bridge the water on some of these racial issues to get so common sense, common ground. we'll see tonight if he's able to hold that conservative position and also give a nod to biden's efforts to police reform. >> van jones, thank you.
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cnn that federal agents also searched his new york city office. cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez joins us now. you have new details about another attorney who was targeted in today's raid. what do you know? >> that's correct, victor. the attorney is victoria tensing, former federal prosecutor and in years she's been involved in the activities giuliani's been doing, meeting with the ukrainians, the efforts to dig up dirt on joe biden. and in particular she apparently, according to a spokesman, the federal agents arrived at her home here in the washington, d.c., area and they took her cell phone. so, it appears she is also, according to the information in the warrant that was served there, she's also part of this -- at least a witness in this investigation that's being run out of the southern district of new york. prosecutors there in manhattan
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looking into foreign lobbying, whether giuliani and others may have violated foreign lobbying laws. now, tensing is a curious figure. she was involved in some of these meetings with giuliani and some of these ukrainian associates. on the day giuliani's two associates from the ukraine, lev parnas and igor, they were to be on a flight to vienna. for some reason they all canceled and did not go on that flight or did not make it to the airport. fruman and parnas were arrested that day. we don't know much more about what happened in that raid but with we know her cell phone was taken. >> evan, thank you very much for all of that reporting. come back to us with anything else. joining us now, democratic
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congressman jayapal. you are one of those that joined the lawsuit against rudy giuliani and donald trump for inciting the riot. what did you think about the raid on his office? >> going back to the first impeachment trial -- by the way, alisyn, it's great to see you in this new spot. going back to the first impeachment trial we knew rudy giuliani was a very important figure and everything that was happening. s i'm not surprised by this. i think it's an important development. we have to keep people accountable. i'm glad the fbi is doing what they're doing. >> okay. let's move on to president biden and how he's doing. one of your progressive -- your fellow progressives in the house, alexandria ocasio-cortez says he's exceeded her
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expectations. do you agree? >> i do. i think this has been a really interesting time for us to see how the progressive movement at large, all the progressive voters, young voters, voters of color that came out and turned out for the president in november, helping us to win the white house, the senate and the house, and the pandemic and the way in which it has just really shined such a bright light on all the inequalities that have existed. i think president biden has risen to the moment. i really do give him an "a" in what he's done so far. it's been bold, it's been progressive, it's been what the country needs. he hasn't shied away from it. he has leaned into it, and we're hoping the same continues to happen as we go through the process to pass the jobs and families plan. >> i mean, that said, i know you haven't been completely on board with all of his plans and you expressed some disappointment, the refugee cap, for instance. in terms of his public polling,
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it's how he handles immigration that he gets some of his lowest marks. what do you need to hear from him tonight? >> on immigration i have spoken with the white house directly about this. they are going to fix the refugee cap issue. i think it was a big mistake. i told them that. i said it publicly, i said it privately, but they're going to fix it. on immigration, the president has -- he's sort of gone back and forth. he released a very strong day one immigration bill and we really applaud him for that. it's a great vision coming from the top. but if we are going to be successful, democrats cannot do what democrats and republicans have done for too long, which is, you know, use immigrants as a political football and run away from the issue or cave in to people who are using immigrants as a political football. so, i want to hear from him that he is deeply committed to getting this done and that he's going to lean into the incredible, you know, promise that immigrants have. i as an immigrant member of
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congress feel very strongly, that we contribute so much and we want to be recognized for that contribution and for the values that america holds so dear. they are so grounded in welcoming immigrants. >> in terms fd what we're going to hear from the president tonight and what he's already done, these are big dollar -- big dollar items, big ticket items. the $1.9 trillion stimulus that passed, theinfrastructure, the 1.8 american family act, and all republicans, but even senators like joe manchin are not comfortable with these dollar signs. are these proposal just kind of pie in the sky hopes or do you think he'll be able to have trillion dollars -- many trillions more in spending? >> i think we're going to get this done. and the reason, alisyn, because the american people support us. on the infrastructure plan, the jobs plan the president released, 68% of the country
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supports that plan. on the families plan today, 65% of the country supports the plan already. so, these are incredibly popular because the country has faced so much devastation around jobs, around infrastructure, around the economy, around health care. and they are ready for a government that cares about the people and is ready to help people get back on their feet again and give opportunity to people. so, the president is going to be on great footing if he continues to be bold and if he continues to do the things that put food on the table, money in people's pockets and address their health care. this is an area i've been clear with the white house about. i think we need to include drug pricing savings into this families plan, and we need to lower the medicare eligibility age to at least 60 and expand benefits. this is such a crucial piece of dealing with the pandemic, are these rising health care costs. i don't think we've done enough
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the u.s. is seeing the biggest drop in new covid cases and deaths in months. more than 96 million americans are vaccinated, and the cdc is voicing optimism that the u.s. may be returning to some sort of
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normal. >> now the effort turns to vaccine hesitancy, and cnn's alexandra field has the latest on that. >> it's even better than what you would have expected. >> reporter: in the real world, the effectiveness of covid vaccines is surpassing already high expectations set by clinical trials. >> that's the reason why you hear all of us in the public health sector essentially pleading with people to get vaccinated. >> reporter: nationwide the average number of new infections, the lost it's been in five weeks. the average number of covid-related deaths the lowest it's been since last summer. >> the numbers are coming down, and i believe as they come down, you will see more liberal guidelines. >> reporter: it's happening already but not fast enough for many who got their vaccines and want to get back to normal much faster. >> they haven't really gone far enough. they really need to tell americans that if you are vaccinated, you are immune. >> why put any restraints on the vaccinated? >> well, let me roll it out this
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way. everything you do is safer if you're vaccinated, everything. go to a wedding, go to a restaurant, hang out with friends, go to a barbecue, go to work. everything you do is much, much safer if you've been vaccinated. if you haven't been vaccinated those things are still dangerous. >> reporter: even so, many states lifting mask mandates, almost half the u.s. without even before the cdc issued new guidance saying masks aren't necessary outdoors for the vaccinated except in very large crowds. louisiana dropping its mask mandate today. masks will still be a must in places like schools and government buildings. the governor of tennessee declaring the end of the covid-19 health emergency with thousands of new cases there daily and just 25% of the state's population fully vaccinated. >> in california disneyland opening its gates to california residents only for the first time in more than a year during
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a soft open. los angeles county is moving towards lowest level for restrictions, and new york city now planning to lift curfews for restaurants and bars next month. all this while the white house takes its campaign into overdrive, encouraging more people to get their shots. that as some popular voices share opinions at odds with the medical experts advice? if you're a health person and you're exercising all the time and you're young and you're eating well, like i don't think you need to worry about this. >> and then you'll pass the infection on to someone else who might pass it on to someone else who might really get seriously ill and might die, so you have to put had a little bit of societal responsibility in your choices, and that's where i disagree with mr. rogan. >> reporter: so that's what dr. anthony fauci has to say about that, if you're wondering what a doctor would say. beyond that, victor, some analysis coming from pfizer.
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their ceo saying they are working on an antiviral treatment for covid in the form of a pill. the ceo is hopeful that it could be ready for authorization by the end of the year. of course the focus right now on what we can do today and that's vaccinate. >> all right. alexandra field for us there in new york. thank you so much. we're staying on our breaking news. federal authorities raid the home and office of rudy giuliani. they also search the home of an attorney he's worked with in the past. details on what the agents were looking for. we started with computers. we didn't stop at computers. we didn't stop at storage or cloud. we kept going. working with our customers to enable the kind of technology that can guide an astronaut back to safety. and help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it. so when it comes to your business, biden: when i think about climate change,
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a juror from the derek chauvin trial is speaking out. brandon mitchell, juror number 52, told cnn that watching the testimony was painful. will. >> inside the courtroom for me was extremely stressful, extremely draining on a day-to-day basis. 1-of-it 100% was not easy at all east day just coming in just because watching somebody die each day, that's not -- that's -- that's a tough thing to watch. it was like a funeral. i mean, it was literally like a funeral. you're walking into a dark space and you feel it. you feel the energy, and it's just -- it's not pleasant. >> well, mitchell also said that the deliberations took longer than he expected and that everyone was not on the same
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