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announced he'd be on the show during his campaign. we've seen cast members show their concern and displeasure, but they have gone on to, again, host those shows. elon musk will be hosting this weekend. "new day" continues now. i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman. we're live from the nation's capital. welcome to my backyard. >> thanks for having me over. >> it's twwonderful to have youn this "new day." president biden delivers his first joint address to congress. we'll be talking to the white house about what he plans to say. also new revelations about the capitol insurrection plot. the warning signs that went ignored just the day before. >> new this morning, a juror who deliberated derek chauvin's fate speaking out. what he says the turning point of the trial was. and a blunt warning from a legendary campaign consultant. too much wokeness could cost democrats in the next election.
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♪ a very good morning to viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is wednesday. it's only wednesday. april 28th. and the vaccine rollout and an economy on the rebound will highlight president biden's first address to a joint session of congress tonight. on the eve of the president's 100th day in office, only 200 people will be attending this address. that's a number that's normally around 1600. this is going to be a very different scene. there will be no other guests permitted. it will look and feel like nothing we've seen before. >> president biden will lay out the next phase of his economic plan. this is a $1.8 trillion federal investment in education, child care and paid family leave. it's on top of the $2 trillion infrastructure package still
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working its way through congress. we're going to speak to the white house about all of this in just a moment. first, cnn editor at large chris cillizza at the magic wall with, chris, what we can expect tonight, sir. >> yeah, john and brianna, it's obviously a very different thing. number one, it's a lot later than we typically have what is the joint address to congress. in future years it will be called the state of the union, but in your first year it isn't. let's go through some of the things that will be different. masks. everyone will be masked except joe biden, obviously, when he gives his speech. smaller in person. if you remember, if you have ever watched or seen footage of any past state of the union address or joint speech to congress like this one will be, it's packed to the gills, right? this is sort of congress' big night. everyone is in the chamber. 1,600 people. 200 tonight. it will look sort of like a baseball game if you've watched a baseball game this year. there will be people, it just
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won't be packed. the other one, no guests. one of the big things, since ronald reagan, one of the big things has been average citizens there to illustrate a point. they usually sit in the first lady's box and they say, this person has struggled with, fill in the blank thing, and this is why we need to make this change or pass this legislation. there won't be any of that. but those are just a few of the changes. let's keep going here. okay. i said only 200 people, right? a lot of people aren't coming. only one supreme court justice, chief justice john roeberts, on military expert, joint chief of staff head mark milley but lloyd austin, secretary of defense and tony blinken, secretary of state, which brings me to, for people who don't even follow politics closely, you know kiefer sutherland and "designated survivor." the one cabinet member who is always left back during the state of the union speech traditionally so that continuity of government is maintained.
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well, since there's only going to be two of them there, no designated survivor tonight. so the show still pretty good but this not happening this evening. >> so also another historic first that you see as very welcome, yes? >> yeah, and i think this is a visual one, john, but an important one. two women behind joe biden. obviously, kamala harris and nancy pelosi. so in that shot that's going to be the shot we all see, joe biden at the podium, nancy pelosi and kamala harris behind him. vice president, speaker of the house. first time we've ever seen two women in that spot. and it's not just ceremonial. that's because they are the next two in the line of succession to be president. kamala harris is number two. nancy pelosi is number three. we've not seen that before. i think we have to take a moment to acknowledge the history that that represents. i'll note pat leahy who is number 4 in line for the presidency, the senate pro tem we expect to be there as well. so you'll have that moment, that
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visual really important, i think, to the country and a symbol of how different and how historic this is. even as we have so many different things happening in this. it will look different in a lot of ways. this is a good way it will look different in a wonderful, positive way. >> chris cillizza, thanks for being with us. white house communications director kate bedingfield, nice to see you. i know this is not technically a state of the union address, officially, it's an address to the joint session, but humor me if you will. if the president were to finish the statement, the state of the union is, blank, what would he say? >> i would say strong and getting stronger. i think what you're going to hear from the president tonight is an acknowledgment of some of the things he's accomplished in the first 100 days of his presidency, including getting 200 million shots in american arms, including creating a million jobs. he's the first president in history to create a million jobs in his first 100 days in office.
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so what you're going to hear from him tonight is a little bit about the progress that we've made in the first 100 days. sorry, my ear piece is giving me trouble here. and you're also going to hear him talk about how much more there is to do. he's going to roll out the american families plan, which is going to be an investment in children and families all across the country. he's going to talk about the need for the jobs plan and the need to make the opportunity, i should say, that we have right now to make these investments in our infrastructure and to create jobs for the long haul. so you're going to hear him talk about his vision for the country tonight. >> the american families plan is new. released some of the details this morning. there's a lot in it, including some money for pre-k, some money for paid community college, extending the child tax credits another five years. if you had to pick one thing that was most important in this, what would you say it is? >> i don't think there's one piece most important. taken on the whole, these are investments that are going to invest in our families, make it easier for kids to get quality
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education. that there's a paid leave component that's going to make it easier for people to tend to elderly family who are ill or to care for children who are ill. so these are really investments in a more productive, healthier workforce. and, you know, i think what the president, what you'll hear the president say tonight is that we really have a once in a generation opportunity right now to seize the moment, to make these investments. to really not only create jobs but create jobs for the long haul. that's part of the benefit of his jobs plan. it's not only slated to create 19 million jobs. it's also going to sustain that growth over the coming years. so these are really critical investments and the president believes we have an opportunity right now to come together. and to make these investments that the american people want to see us make. >> you keep saying investments because you know it's not cheap and you are saying it will be paid for, and the way that this part of it will be paid for is
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by raising taxes. now white house advisers anita dunn has circulated a memo showing how popular in polling that raising taxes on the rich is. my question to you, i'm not doubting the polling on it, but why? why is she sending this around to democratic lawmakers showing how popular raising taxes on the rich is? >> this is really a question of fairness. that's how president biden looks at this. this is a question of the very wealthiest and corporations paying their fair share. so that we can make these investments in middle class families and in working people. and i think we should be really clear, john, about how we're defining the wealthiest. we're talking about the wealthiest 1% of americans. we're talking about, for example, you know there was a lot of discussion about capital gains and what president biden wants to do is tax wealth the same way we tax work. that's going to impact people making a million dollars in income a year. that is 0.3% of the american
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population. so we're really talking about the very wealthiest in this country paying their fair share in order to make investments in things like universal pre-k and paid family leave. these are investments that build a stronger workforce, build a healthier workforce. so asking corporations and the very wealthiest in this country to pay their fair share is the way we can do that. one thing that struck me that i think would strike your audience, too, is that right now you're much more likely to be audited by the irs. if you live in the mississippi delta than if you live on park avenue. and president biden thinks that that's not fair. and it shouldn't be that way. and we should ensure the wealthiest are paying their fair share. >> i want to ask you about vaccine hesitancy. joe rogin who hosted a popular podcast, he went on and told his audience, he's not against vaccines but if it were up to him he's advise people 21 years old that they don't need to go get vaccinated if they eat well
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and they're healthy, they don't need to get this shot. how does that impact your efforts to get the american people vaccinated? what does it tell you about the information that's out there? >> well, i guess my first question would be, did joe rogin become a medical doctor while we weren't looking? i'm not sure that taking scientific and medical advice from joe rogin is perhaps the most productive way for people to get their information. but, look, you're raising an important point which is that, of course, people hearing this message, you know, it may cause them to question. but what we're seeing and what we've seen in the data and as people have continued to get vaccinated is that the people who are most influential and encouraging people to get vaccinated are their friends, their neighbors, people who have received the shot themselves who they know and they trust. and so what we see is the number of people who say that they are willing to get vaccinated is rising. it's now touup, to i believe, 6
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in the poll. they are seeing their friends, family, neighbors getting vaccinated. if you are fully vaccinated, you don't have to wear a mask outside when you're with your friends or small group of other vaccinated people. so these are important reasons to go get vaccinated. so that we can get back to normal. so that we can get back to doing the things that we love. >> i have to let you go, but is that enough? a lot of people are like, i'm already not wearing a mask when i go running outside or outdoors. that doesn't change my life at all. what would change my life is if i can go to the office and not wear a mask around other people who are vaccinated. when is that coming? >> more people need to get vaccinated. the fastest way to get there is for more people to get vaccinated. you get the vaccinate, you can go -- you can start to get back to normal life. it's one of the most important reasons, aside from, of course, protecting you from the most severe cases of covid, from death or severe illness. but it's also going to be the fastest way for us to get back to what you're talking about, john, which is going back to the office, going back to big public
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crowd events. the way we do that is by getting the population vaccinated. president biden has made huge strides. think about where we were. i apologize, my ear piece is popping out. president biden has made huge strides since -- think about where we were when he came into office on january 20th and think about where we are now with over 200 million shots administered and climbing. we are working to make sure that the vaccine is accessible to people all across the country. i think it's 90% of people now live within five miles of a vaccination site. we're working to make it accessible and people should go out and get the shot. >> kate bedingfield, thank you for being with us. >> thanks. sorry for the technical difficulty. >> newly revealed internal emails show an outside group actually warned capitol security officials one day before the january 6th insurrection about a troubling series of social media posts calling for people to storm the u.s. capitol and kill federal employees.
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cnn's whitney wild is here with new reporting on this. how were these warnings ignored? because they were received, right? >> that's right. that's the big question. the reason we're bringing you this story this morning is it shows how far and wide this actual information, the actual posts were pinging around the security apparatus in d.c. and yet people looked past it. we had this private company reach out to security -- capitol hill security. people tasked with protecting the capitol complex. they said we've identified this series of troubling posts. here's one of them. we will storm government buildings, kill cops, kill security guards, kill federal employees and agents. now there was a member of the capitol hill security, congressional -- capitol complex security rather, who was concerned about this. she brought it up to another member of the capitol complex security and said, hey, we're learning about this chatter. here's what we know. there's now chatter on parlor about storming the capitol. please let me know if there are any updates to credible threats.
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here's what she received. there is no talk about any credible threats or storming the capitol. the information was broadly shared. people had eyes on the very posts that were causing so much concern and yet it was dismissed. this is a key line of questioning for the senate investigators who are tasked with putting together what will probably be the early premiere look into the breakdowns on january 6th. and we spoke with the people deeply involved in this investigation and asked them point blank, after all the interviews you've done, all of the documents you've read through, have you identified a good answer for why intelligence officials just didn't believe what was right in front of them? and they said, no. >> i've got to say, whitney, your reporting on this is terrific. >> i should no my colleague zach cohen is part of this. this is really important. >> you and zach have done a great job and you're finding all the evidence and asking all the right question. we don't have any good answers but thanks for asking it. thanks for being here. >> whitney, great to see you.
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a police officer caught in the middle of one of the capitol riot's most horrific attacks speaking out against politicians whitewashing what happened that day. you probably have already seen the mob assault on washington metro officer michael fanone. they sprayed him with chemicals, battered him with pipes, tased him several times. >> they even tried to steal his gun and he says talked about shooting him with it. fanone told cnn last night the response by some elected officials only made it worse. fanone didn't mention former president trump by name but did quote him. >> it's been very difficult seeing elected officials and other individuals kind of whitewash the events of that day or downplay what happened. you know, some of the terminology that was used like hugs and kisses and, you know, very fine people, very different from what i experienced and what
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my co-workers experienced on the 6th. >> what did you experience, michael? because, you know, the former president has said, and i know you don't want to make this political, but has said those were good people. they love their country. they were basically ushered in to the capitol. they walked into the capitol and that it wasn't a big deal. that they are patriots. what did you experience that day, and what do you think of that rhetoric? >> i think it's dangerous. it is very much not the experience that i had on the 6th. you know, i experienced a group of individuals that were trying to kill me to accomplish, you know, their goal. and i think that -- sorry, don.
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i didn't think i'd get this emotional. yeah, i mean, i experienced the most brutal, savage hand-to-hand combat of my entire life. let alone my policing career. which spans almost two decades. it was nothing that i had ever thought would be a part of my law enforcement career, nor was i prepared to experience. once i was separated from the group of officers that were in the tunnel, i was -- i remember being pulled out into the crowd. i remember experiencing like feelings like -- like when you're a kid, at the beach and you get knocked down by a wave and then you get knocked down by
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another wave and you just can't get up. that's what it felt like. i remember, you know, once i was able to kind of steady myself, get my bearings, i was just surrounded in this sea of people, rioters, and they just started attacking me from all directions. guys were, you know, ripped my badge off. ripped my radio off. started grabbing at my firearm. trying to grab, you know, ammunition magazines from my belt. it was just -- it was overwhelming. i mean, i felt like they were trying to kill me. >> you thought you were going to die? >> i did.
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>> he felt like he was going to die, and now he's feeling in a very real way because it's happening, that it's being downplayed. what happened? and we see what happened on tape right there. >> it's really interesting to hear his frustration there. he says i'm not a political guy. he said i pay attention to politics once every four years. he can't understand why politicians are trying to diminish what happened to him, what he knows happened to him. it really important to hear that. that was a terrific interview that don did. our heart goes out to michael fanone also. the suspect who stormed the capitol, sat at nancy pelosi's desk and called her the "b" word is a free man this morning. we'll speak to his lawyers. and do the democrats have a, quote, wokeness problem? one man who spent years getting democrats elected says, yes.
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barnett and steven metcalf, co-security council. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us this morning. the justice department said in court yesterday that they have begun guilty plea discussions with you in this case for richard barnett. can you tell us where that stands? >> thank you for having us. no formal discussions have ensued or taken place at this point. there's been a preliminary offer that we've conveyed to our client. our client has zero interest in that offer at this time. as of now, we are awaiting further discovery from the government, and we are looking to proceed to trial. should an acceptable offer materialize between now and then, then we will give it due and proper consideration. but no formal discussions of any kind at this time. >> so when is then? as you are looking towards heading to trial here, when do
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you expect that to be? >> as we sit here now, trial is not something that will be in the immediate future. we just ended up getting richard out on bond yesterday. the next steps now are to actually go to the capitol and view what is now the crime scene. there are various different investigations that joseph and i still have to conduct and hundreds, if not thousands of videos and documents that still need to be reviewed before we can even talk about setting forth a trial date. and federal courts are not conducting trials at this time as well. so it's going to take some time before we actually have an understanding of when this case could go to trial p. joseph, what didn't your client like about the offer? was it too prolonged of a prison sentence? was is the charge -- the severity of the charge? what was it? >> quite frankly it was all of it.
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we feel strongly that -- we feel strongly that we have a good case. that we have a trial of a case. we felt strongly about the presumption of innocence. we have felt strongly about the bail reform acts presumption against pretrial detention. we are grateful and glad that the judge cooper's ruling, he sided with us in terms of the facts and application of law yesterday. and with regard to moving forward, you look at the charge of a violent entry into the u.s. capitol. nonviolent entry is an absolute defense. we furnished evidence to the court yesterday. demonstrative of the fact that his entry was, in farkts involuntary. so as things proceed, we begin to pull apart the charges and see what sticks and what does not stick and then at that time, we will be able to make a more intelligent decision about the crimes under which he has been charged. >> so you made an argument in
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court yesterday that raised some eyebrows. you argued that your client, calling the speaker, and i am quoting here, a, quote, be yautch rather than a, quote, bitch, was less offensive. do you stand by that argument today? >> yes, we stand by that argument today. but more importantly, the argument was made intentional as to raise eyebrows to the fact that the government has deliberately mischaracterized evidence since the inception of this case. >> okay, but let me ask you about this. how is the difference between, quote, beeyatch or, quote, bitch, significant at all if the person who wrote the menacing note did so after entering the capitol illegally, allegedly, and allegedly trespassing in her personal office while allegedly armed with a powerful taser? >> so there's a lot of allegedlies in that statement. and i'll just -- >> well, look, i get that, but we have a picture of him, he's in the office, you see the
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taser. so there's nothing i said that is, like, out there. these are the things -- these are the facts that you are going to contend with in court. how is there a difference between that one word and the other word when you have all of these other factors? >> sure. i'll break it down for you real simple. any time a federal prosecutor quotes something it has to be accurate. underscores, bolding, emphasis added, commas, it all has to be done the right way. the federal government does not have the luxury to misrepresent evidence of any kind at any poin point, at any time in court. we'll continue to call them out no matter how minuscule or huge until the end p. . >> let's talk about this difference. you cite a definition on a dictionary website that says, quote, beeyatch is slang and
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used as a term of despairment or endearment. >> my client understands that his statements and that the -- accepting the allegation as true, the note that, for the sake of argument, the note that he's alleged to have left was all made in bad taste. mr. barnett is a funny man. he's a jokester, he doesn't have a real clear sense of boundaries. if he could take it back, he likely would. but we can't unring the bell at this point. and i'm going to leave it there. >> okay. i mean, for anyone who has been called a, quote, bitch, it's not funny. i'll just attest to that. i think that any woman and most of us have been called that, can tell you that. does your client still believe conspiracy theorys about the election? >> i have no idea what you're talking about with regard to any
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conspiracy theories. >> that donald trump won the election. the whole basis for why he and others entered the capitol. >> richard barnett, like millions of other people, clearly voted for donald trump during the november election. richard barnett, like millions of other people believed at the time that the election was stolen from the american public. hence his heading to washington, d.c., to exercise his first amendment right to free speech. to object to what he believes was an improper result. does he still believe that? at this point in time? i haven't asked him because it really isn't relevant to his case. what's really vent to his case is that he is now out of -- he is no longer detained. we will be able to have an intelligent discussion -- intelligent discussions with him going forward. we've been systematically denied that opportunity. the conditions under which he was confined were horrific.
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and he is now out and we will be able to form an intelligent defense going forward. >> in one court filing, you compare what happened in washington, d.c., on january 6th to black lives matter protests in minneapolis after the death of george floyd. how do you square that? especially knowing now that george floyd's death was murder. that an officer has been convicted for his murder. is that really a valid comparison? >> sure. so the motion to which you are referring, we explicitly state that george floyd was murdered by the police on national tv. and his murder on tv provoked a massive reaction. now anybody who was alive or -- >> but that actually happened. joseph, that actually happened. >> uh-huh. >> he was murdered.
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>> yes, that happened. >> donald trump was not elected president. >> so we acknowledge the fact that george floyd was murdered. we support the protest as does richard barnett in george floyd's name because they are both necessary and vital to the -- to addressing the ongoing issue of police brutality against black and latino men and other minorities in this country. now we made very -- we were very sure not to equivocate the experience and the issues regarding george floyd's unfortunate passing with those of the capitol situation. however, when you look at 2020, you cannot look at it in a vacuum. there was a stream of protests, some peaceful, some violent, that took place all over the united states of america. cops were fire bombed, police were fire bombed, and in those cases, those violent cases, federal courts have routinely let those people out pretrial.
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we argued that our client was entitled to be released pretrial because his participation in the january 6th events was not violent. >> joseph mcbride and steve metcalf, i appreciate both of you coming on. thanks for being with us this morning. >> thanks for having us. >> thanks very much. just ahead, what happens if facebook -- sorry. >> no, keep talking. >> i'm used to anchoring by myself and now i have friends to play with, so -- and now i'm stealing their toys. that's what happens. >> that was a great interview and important what you said about what words are and are never funny. so i thought that was an important -- >> it sticks out when you are a woman and you've been called that. it's like, that's not funny. >> with your permission, i'm going to read this. >> please do so. >> what happens if facebook decides to reverse its ban on the former president? and why james carville says the democrats have a wokeness problem.
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a longtime democratic st strategist has a blunt warning for the democratic party. the pc culture of wokeness could be costly in the next election. that's from james carville in a new interview. he says wokeness is a problem, and everyone knows it. it's hard to talk to anybody today. and i talk to lots of people in democratic party who doesn't say this, but they don't want to say it out loud because they'll get clobbered or canceled. joining me is amy klobuchar, the author of a new book. congratulations on the new book. first, though, what james carville says about wokeness. he says everybody he talks to agrees. do you agree that it's a problem? >> james carville is outspoken and incredibly interesting person. and has this relentless focus on the economy. and i agree with him on that. at the same time, look at what joe biden and kamala harris have
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done. i think you'll hear about it a lot tonight. they've been able to combine economic focus with taking on a number of these social issues like voting reform. something that the "for the people" act and making sure voting rights are strong. yes, we have to do something on police reform. i know that. george floyd died in my state. >> but what he says is -- >> i'm saying you can do both at once. >> he's saying, saying defund the police -- >> of course, i don't think -- ask joe biden. he's been clear about that. i've been very clear. i'm not one bit in favor of de funding the police. i want to dreform. you are always going to have a lot of different voices in the party. you see how joe biden overwhelmingly won the election. a lot of people found a place in our tent because they were suffering from the economy. they were out of work because of the pandemic. and they needed a vaccine. and what has happened in the last 100 days? it's been a complete different spirit that is uniting our
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country. it may not be uniting congress. i'm not naive about that, but i can feel it out there where people see hope. they see a lighthouse on the horizon. >> let's talk about your book. this new book, you say you want to make "antitrust" cool again. really? how. >> well, because you have people all over this country that are starting to say, how come it costs so much to get cable? why did the epipen prices go way up like they did. or why is insulin so expensive? or how come we don't have any privacy or misinformation, real controls on social media? it's because when you have monopolies, they have no incentive to do those things. i think exhibit "a" is when facebook goes out and buys instagram and whatsapp. those companies could have been competitors to them. maybe they would have developed those bells and whistles. but instead we have gateway companies, the biggest companies the world has ever known, and if
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you look at american history which i try to tell with some fun, you look at the inventor of the monopoly game, a woman, who was actually against monopolies or another woman named ida who took on standard oil. there's a history of rejuve inization of capitalism. i was in the private sector for 14 years. i believe in entrepreneurship and capitalism. but i also believe you need a check on it and that's what the antitrust laws are. >> you talk about the absolute power of facebook. the facebook oversight board will soon decide whether to lift the ban on former president trump posting on facebook. what do you think they should decide? >> well, i believe that this is someone who has fomented lies. he's someone that, again, still is not giving any credence to the election. and when you look at what has happened because of his beliefs, including the insurrection and as you know, i voted for impeachment. no, but, you know, my focus -- >> you say no they shouldn't
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lift the ban. >> no. >> but isn't that example and doesn't that run counter to what you're concerned about which is the absolute power of -- >> no, i am very focused on misinformation. >> okay. >> and he is one of the chief conveyors of misinformation. and i also think we should have some controls. i am someone who has sponsored along with senator mark warner and mazie hirono a bill which says we should have limits on complete blanket immunity for the social media companies when there is literally misinformation being spouted out there. >> you talk about misinformation. it is interesting because something has happened really the last few days where you have seen articles in "the new york post," saying things that are just not true. all these books written by kamala harris are being given out as welcome gifts to migrants. you see the ridiculous bs lies about the biden administration being against red meat. but you see them published and then elected officials repeating
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them. i know you think social media has a role in this, but how do you fight that kind of -- it's just -- these lies. >> first of all, you have to have a strong press. and i know those examples you used were some elements of publication. but right now, we're seeing our local newspapers just broken down. we're seeing so many of them go away. and part of that is because they're not getting paid for content when it's displayed on social media. they're not being paid to the point where they can be compensated for the work they're doing. you don't see as much in the local areas investigative report. that's a bipartisan agreement on that. i have a bill with senator kennedy and house sponsors with david cicilline that says, no, the media organizations should be able to bargain together for the price of content. so i think one answer to that is strong news. i think another answer to that is citizens and leaders getting out there, calling people out when they are spouting lies, and that's one of the reasons i'm on
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your show. it's not easy to take on monopolies. it's not fair that the app stores are controlled by apple and google. and so unless someone talks about it and people come with me, it's really hard to take on big trillion-dollar companies by yourself. that's why i wrote the book. >> congratulations on the new book. it's getting really interesting, good reviews . >> over 100 cartoons. >> make antitrust fin. it's the most fun i've ever had with antitrust. that's a high bar. thanks for being with us. so we're just hearing for the first time from one of the jurors who found derek chauvin guilty of george floyd's murder. he reveals the moment he knew it was all over for chauvin's defense, next.
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his name is going to live on. his legacy is now cemented in history. it's now become so much bigger than him as an individual. he's almost become -- he's become a legacy. it's a legacy that will forever be here and is forever -- will
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hopefully create some change within society. >> so that was brandon mitchell who was juror number 52 in the derek chauvin trial speaking out for the first time about the legacy that george floyd has left behind. a legacy that mitchell ultimately solidified. mitchell told adrienne broaddus last night that his time on the jury was just dark. it felt like every day was a funeral and watching someone die every day. it was tense every day. i wasn't nervous, but it was stressful. it was a lot of pressure. joining us is cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson. joey, the two witnesses that impacted mitchell the most were donald williams who witnessed floyd's arrest and dr. martin tobin. tobin took the jurors through to the exact moment the life left george floyd's body and even asked the jurors to touch their own necks while explaining the impact of chauvin's knee.
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this clearly had an impact, and it's so interesting to hear from jurors which moments made the most impact on them. >> without question. good morning to you and john. we have an incredible system in our country, and i think we cannot overlook that. certainly there are disparities in our system that need to be fixed at every level. discretion as it relates to arrests and who gets arrested. who gets prosecuted. who gets jailed and for how long. but just think about the system that we have that requires 12 people from different walks of life to each, right, reach a conclusion that is the same as their brother and sister juror. so just think about that process and that process requiring you to sit there and to listen to compelling testimony, not be able to speak about it until such a time comes when the trial has concluded. in this case, 45 witnesses. a jury composed of five men and seven women, and then you go back in that deliberating room and then you all express your
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point of view as to who is right, who is wrong, what was the most compelling, what was not. i'm not surprised at all by the sort of conclusions that he reached with respect to who the most compelling witnesses are. look at donald williams very briefly and him pleading with the officers, stop. what are you doing? you're a bum, bro. what are you up to? we can't be doing this, right? and then you have tobin that talked to the issue of when the life was actually sucked out of george floyd. so i'm not surprised at that. and at the end of the day, you just hope that all of these people get on the same page and get it right. and i think with regard to this particular case, that's exactly what they did. >> joey jackson, thanks so much. here's what else to watch today.
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protest means punishment at the 2020 tokyo olympics. it's a controversial decision. the olympic committee announcing last week. this new ioc rules states no kind of demonstration or political, religious propaganda is allowed. my next guest knows all about protesting at the olympics. in this iconic moment at the 1968 summer games in mexico city it was captured, of course, at a time when racial tension was incredibly high. american athletes tommy smith and john carlos raised their black gloved fists against racial inequality, and they were suspended from the u.s. team and sent packing. joining me is the olympic bronze medalist john carlos. sir, thank you for being with us. you were, of course, inducted into the u.s. olympic and paralympic hall of fame. we're so happy to have you here this morning. >> i'm honored to be here.
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>> what is your reaction to this decision from the olympic committee? >> well, i think it was a bad decision by the international olympic committee. i think that they are still -- minds are still in the stone age. i would think that after 53 years, they should realize that we need to go to the roundtable and have some discussion about the particular demonstration in mexico and realize that this was not a hate demonstration. this was a moral gesture. i showed that i had a concern for humanity. it wasn't a hateful thing. people try and put a parallel to my making a statement in 1968 and to the statement that the neo-nazis made in 1936 in berlin. that's a hate statement. that's hate all over the world. it's known. they cannot put those two peas in the same pod.
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you should have an opportunity to go on the victory stand as long as you do something clean, above board for morality. based on your moral issues such as we have here in the united states for any young black or brown individual. if you are an american indian and you are representing america, america should support you and pushing for equality. love, justice and understanding for society. >> john, i want to ask you because this is part of a larger conversation about politics and as you said, you know, moral and also ethical statements when it comes to sports. here in the u.s., what do you make of the fact that collin kaepernick is still not playing in the nfl? >> well, that states right there in itself that we have some social issues that's running rampant here in the united states as well as other parts of
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the world and we cannot shove this under the carpet, of our authority of the fact we're having the olympic games. you're no longer a human being. now you're just an olympian. you're just an athlete. you should not have any moral character, any moral views about what's happening in and around your community. it's very difficult for me to go anywhere and not think about mr. floyd or any other individuals that had lost their lives in that vain. >> john carlos, i can't tell you how wonderful it is to speak with you and to thank you for your perspective in joining us this morning. sir, thank you. >> it's my honor. god bless. >> god bless you as well. cnn's coverage -- >> that's an american icon right there. >> i have to tell you, i've seen that photo for so many years since i was a child. and to find out that i would be interviewing someone who is behind just such an iconic moment, to understand a moment in history, it's amazing. >> i was jealous when i saw that you were going to be speaking to him.
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but there's someone who laid it on the line who really laid it all out on the line. 53 years later, i think is still teaching us a lesson. >> cnn's coverage continues right now with poppy harlow and jim sciutto. hi, everyone. very good wednesday morning. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm poppy harlow. just hours from now president biden delivers his first speech to a joint session of congress. this one will be a speech like no president before him. largely, of course, due to the pandemic, but also due to the historic nature of this address. for the first time in history, two women -- two women will be seated on the rostrum behind him. a striking image as he gears up to make his big pitch to lawmakers and to the american people. that's a $1.8 trillion bill aimed at american families. a potential game-changer for millions of working mothers and fathers but again, another one with a big

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