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really not being able to do anything because when you get an overwhelming majority of the population vaccinated, the virus has no place to go. >> reporter: the country is at a tipping point with coronavirus variants on the rise, the next 100 days and beyond will still be a tough race with the final finish line not yet in sight. >> gloria borger joins us now. great to have you on "new day." >> great to be here with you guys. >> the administration now has to walk this fine line between saying be careful. don't let your guard down but also, we have great news about how things are opening up. so how do they pull that off? >> with great difficulty. they have a problem with vaccine hesitancy. and i think what they decided and we'll see that later today with the mask -- with what they say about masks. they have to show people there's a reward if you get vaccinated. that there are things you can do that you could not do before.
>> on the one hand, look at this. there's a new sense of freedom for you because you've done the right thing and gotten vaccinated. on the other hand, there are these variants out there, and they have to say, but wait a minute. you still have to be vigilant here because we have to watch this very, very carefully. and so it's kind of a mixed message. it's very delicate. but they have no other choice other than to do it. >> it's a great piece, gloria. as you know, i would just like to spend all my time watching gloria borger. is there anything you found really surprising as you were talking to officials about how things have gone or about the challenges before them? >> i think what i found surprising was the fact that jeff zients who coordinates this said to me flatly, i was left with no plan, and paul mango from the trump administration
said they are using our plan. we gave them a plan. and there was no kind of meeting of the minds except for tony fauci saying, well, it was somewhere in between because there was no long-range plan. and it kind of stunned me looking back on the situation we were in. people knew you were going to get vaccines and that there wasn't a longer range plan to get those shots into arms was kind of remarkable. >> gloria borger, great reporting. >> thanks, guys. >> so nice to see you. cnn's special live coverage of president biden's first address to a joint session of congress begins tomorrow night at 8:00. and "new day" continues right now. i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman. will fully vaccinated people have to wear them outdoors? plus, the family of a black man killed by police, they say he
was, quote, executed. two people who saw the body cam video will join us live here in minutes. >> a florida private school orders teachers who had a coronavirus shot to stay away from their students while spreading a bunch of false claims about vaccines. and will republican congresswoman liz cheney run for president in 2024? the new interview that has plenty of people speculating this morning. ♪ a very good morning to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is tuesday, april 27th. we're about to get some new guidance from president biden on mask wearing outdoors. these are new rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated americans. plus, what activities we may be able to resume which i know we're all looking forward to p. this comes ahead of the president's first address to
congress tomorrow night. as of this morning, nearly 29% of americans are fully vaccinated. more than 42% have received at least one shot. want to get straight to the white house and bring in john harwood. what are we expecting from the president today and kind of why? why are we getting this today, the day before the joint address? >> john, we're expecting the president to once again demonstrate the strategy that's guided him throughout the first 100 days, which is make modest promises, make damn sure you can meet those promises and you hope you can overdeliver. so they said, as you heard in gloria's piece just now, 100 million shots in arms. that was something they could easily achieve and midway through they upedped it to 200 million. the president has said hopefully we can get to small outdoor gatherings together by the fourth of july. many of those things are happening now as we've gotten to 29% of the american public being fully vaccinated. so you don't want to disappoint
as a new president the american people, and now on the subject of outdoor mask wearing, we expect to hear first from cdc director rochelle walensky that, in fact, as scientists have been hinting in recent days, some saying outright and others saying, tony fauci hinted over the weekend, that they're going to relax the notion that when you're outside, you need to wear a mask when you're around other people if you've been vaccinated and if you can keep some distance for them. this is a virus that is spread through aerosol and close contact with people. not so much outside when you have some distance. and we expect joe biden to affirm that as a way of going into this 100 days commemoration, this speech of the joint session of congress showing, yes, we're making progress. we're getting back to normal. joe biden trying to take credit for that and use that as part of the sales pitch for the next phase of his agenda with which
is his big infrastructure plan. >> john harwood, thanks for being with us. the head of the world health organization calls india's mounting coronavirus outbreak heartbreaking. hospitals in india are running out of oxygen and icu beds, and the surge of deaths forced families to wait in line to have their loved ones cremated. cnn is on the ground in new delhi. >> these raging fires will continue all day and through the evening. the surge in cases has been so much that there's a waiting for these bodies to be put on the fire by family members. there's a queue outside just waiting for the final rites to end for family member who has died of covid-19. body after body being brought into this crematorium in new delhi that's seen a huge surge not only in cases but fatalities as well. family members pulling out bodies such as this one from
ambulances lined up in this crematorium ground and taking them for cremation. they've grown up with these people. they've lived with them and now it's time to say the final good-bye. >> translator: my uncle died at about 11:15 p.m. on april 24th. the hospital didn't inform us. when we called the help desk, we were told he's no more. >> reporter: one of the more heartbreaking scenes i witnessed was when a 27-year-old was picking up the ashes of his 49-year-old mother. his brother still in hospital recovering from covid-19 while his father has just got home after recovering from infection. >> thank you for that. joining us now is fareed zakaria, host of cnn's "fareed zakaria gps" and author of "ten lessons for a post-pandemic world." thank you so much for being with us. as we are hearing these horror stories out of india with the pandemic, overwhelmed hospitals,
a lack of oxygen supply. you're also talking to us today about your personal experience for which we are so sorry. your mother fatma passed away in a hospital in india. can you tell us about your mom and tell us about your experience with what she faced here. >> so my mother was 85. she was, in general, good health but a bit overweight. she had diabetes. she had some heart trouble. so not a good candidate to get covid. and once she got it, the doctors were clear that this was a serious condition. so she was pretty much kept in the icu, the intentative care unit from the start. the doctors did a very good job. they did what they could. the cocktail of drugs they gave her is essentially the same as you'd get in the united states. and the drugs were working. in her case, and this often
happens with elderly patients, the body just gave up. she had a massive heart attack. and i think that's one of the reasons why, with covid, you see this overwhelming number of people who die in their 70s or 80s. even if the drug is working, the disease ravages the body enough that something else gives way. you get an infection. you get a heart attack. in the hospital she was in, and again, as i said, the doctors were doing the best they could. there were stretchers outside. they had set up makeshift units outside. this is now two, three weeks ago, but already the hospital was completely overwhelmed. i remember when she was admitted, they said 50% of the patients here are covid patients going to 100%. now imagine what that does also in a poor country with lots of diseases. nobody else is getting treated for anything. so it's a pretty grim situation. my mother, unfortunately, you
know, got covid in a situation where she was not strong enough to battle it. but it seems to be ravaging even young, healthy people. >> fareed, you've said your mother is the single person most responsible for making you who you are. so we are so sorry for your loss. i spoke to a doctor in delhi yesterday who said, this isn't complicated. this is just a numbers issue. we are flat-out overwhelmed. and when you look at the curve of new cases, it's skyrocketing. it's a flat-out wall with more than 300,000 cases a day. how did this happen after india had been bragging that it had all but eradicated it? >> the lesson is pretty clear. don't get complacent and don't get -- the government in india actually handled the first wave well with a draconian lockdown. came to the conclusion the lockdown was probably too draconian.
in india, the government doesn't have money for covid relief payments and things like that so you put a lot of people in very difficult economic hardship. so they decided, okay, we're going to ease up. but then they eased up way too much. and they started to believe that indians had some kind of exceptional immunity to covid, which was, of course, crazy. then the prime minister decides he wants to engage in a lot of electioneering campaigning and hold large outdoor rallies. if he's going to hold large outdoor rallies he has to then allow large outdoor gatherings like cricket matches and a 10 million-person gathering, which sounds crazy if you think about it now in terms of its dangers for covid. all of that was allowed. and guess what? indians did not have any natural immunity. the spike went way up. now it's worth pointing out, the
real spike in terms of numbers is in cases and infections. the death rate is still relatively low. it is still, for example, fewer people have died in india from covid than in the u.s. but the problem is the one you pointed out, john, which is the hospitals and the health care system are crashing. and unless they can get a grip on this, you're going to have a lot of people dying of lots of other things because the hospitals are just so full that they can't deal with anything but covid. >> fareed zakaria, again, sorry for your loss. thanks for being with us. really appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. new this morning, cnn obtained video taken by a neighbor of andrew brown jr. shortly after he was fatally shot by sheriff's deputies in north carolina almost a week ago. you can see his car stopped with several officers gathered around the vehicle. yesterday the family was finally allowed to watch a short clip from one deputy's bodycamera.
joining us is andrew brown's son and the family's attorney. kahlil, i'm so sorry that you had to watch video of your father being killed. i can't imagine what that was like and how difficult that was, but i'm still going to ask you to describe what you saw. >> it was an execution, you know. it's not -- it's video that no son should see dealing with his father at all. >> and again, i'm so sorry that you had to see it, but it's important, and it's important for us to know, counselor, what was on the video. can you walk us through what the 20 seconds does show? >> well, good morning. what the 20 seconds shows is that andrew brown is not a threat to the officers. he was in his driveway. he was parked in where the front of his vehicle is facing the
street and the sheriff's car blocked him in the front part. he could still exit out the back part, which is what he ultimately had to do to get away from the shots being fired at him. sitting there with kahlil while watching it, it was very, very difficult because, as you stated, no one should have to see, especially a son, to watch the execution of his father. and we had to watch it numerous times to make sure we had a clear understanding. so as he was being shot at, andrew was trying to back away from the officers and save his life. save his own life. he backed out and then he went through the -- he went through the yard and attempts to get away from the officers and still at no time threatening the officers. he did not go forward towards them. he was trying to get away from them and ultimately hit a tree. as he hit the tree, they were still firing shots at him through the back of his
windwind shield. >> you saw 20 seconds. what's the reasoning you were given for not showing you the other ten seconds? >> they said that they showed us the pertinent parts. although they said it was a 30-second encounter, we don't have any information to validate that. we have only seen that one snippet. we have seen one bodycam video, although there was numerous officers on the scene. and we are actually not 100% sure that it was only 30 seconds. we haven't seen but the 20 seconds. >> so you're not satisfied with what you've seen, the amount you've seen at this point? >> definitely not. it was redacted. the officers' faces were redacted. the guns and the weapons were redacted. you could tell they were ars, and at one point, seemed like one officer was reloading. that was kind of redacted out. so they did not show the family enough to give him any type of assurity this was transparency.
>> is it possible they are withholding it because they would want to use the withheld video as part of a prosecution, they don't want to prejudice perhaps some ultimate jury pool? is that conceivable? >> so this is what the family -- we were not -- we had not gotten to that point yet. this was just family members watching it. i understand that part. we want the family to be able to see it. they'll not be on the jury. >> kahlil, tell me about your father. >> he was a caring person, and everything he did was for his kids. you know, he really loved all of us. and it's just sad that my baby brothers, my baby sisters got to grow up without him now, you know. he was an awesome person. funny. and all about his business. >> counselor, what happens next as far as you're concerned?
>> we are still trying to get transparency. we are still trying to obtain the rest of the -- if it is just ten more seconds, we'd like the whole ten seconds and see all the bodycam footage, any dashcam that's available. any information we can provide to this family so they can know what happened to andrew. >> chantel cherry lasiter and kahlil, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. just ahead -- a private school in miami is telling teachers, if you get vaccinated, you cannot be around children. we'll have that story ahead. plus, she's gone head-to-head with her male colleagues and now congresswoman liz cheney is mulling a presidential run it appears. we'll have that next. ♪ ♪ i had the nightmare again, maxine. the one with the lollipop—
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in a new interview with "the new york post," liz cheney says she's not ruling out a potential presidential run in 2024. lauren fox live on capitol hill. i wonder if she would even win a primary within her own caucus. >> the big question, john, is she's been a counterbalance to trumpism for the last five years since being on capitol hill. the key question is, if she were to run for president, would she be able to win back that important trump base that you need in the republican party to be successful?
congresswoman liz cheney considering a possible 2024 presidential run. telling "the new york post," quote, i'm not ruling anything in or out. ever is a long time. the third ranking house republican has been an outspoken critic of some republican leaders since the january 6th attack on the capitol. and voted with nine other congressional republicans to impeach president trump. monday, cheney punted when asked whether president trump should be charged criminally for his comments before the insurrection. >> that's a decision that the justice department is going to have to make. >> reporter: but despite recent criticism of members of her own party, cheney says she's confident republicans can win back the white house in 2024. >> i think that's where we've got to attract back the voters that we lost in 2020 by conveying to them that, in fact, you know, we are the party they can trust. we're the party of competence and conservative principles. >> reporter: since her impeachment vote, cheney has
raised about $1.6 million, according to "the washington post." which said five current gop senators have donated to cheney directly, including mitch mcconnell and longtime trump ally lindsey graham. despite cheney's groundswell of support from establishment republicans, she remains isolated from trump and his supporters. >> hopefully they'll get rid of her with the next election. >> reporter: in february, house republicans held a closed door vote on whether to strip her of her leadership position. after her vote to impeach trump. according to "the new york times," in that meeting, congressman ralph norman claimed cheney had a defiant attitude. congressman mike kelley of pennsylvania saying you look up into the stands and see your girlfriend on the opposite side. that's one hell of a tough thing to swallow. to which a female colleague yelled out, quote, she's not your girlfriend. cheney also vowing to hold lawmakers accountable for the
events of january 6th. saying in a "new york post" interview, quote, i do think that some of our candidates who led the charge, particularly the senates who led the unconstitutional charge not to certify the election, you know, in my view, that's disqualifying. cheney's relationship with the house minority leader kevin mccarthy has also fractured since trump left office. the two disagreeing that the scope of the commission to investigate the capitol attack should widen to include other violence. >> since good friday we just had officer evans killed in the capitol. for the last year we've had political violence across this country and in this city. i think we should look at all of that. >> i am very concerned as all my colleagues are about the violence that we saw, the blm, the antifa violence last summer. i think that's a different set of issues. a different set of problems and a different set of solutions. so i think it's very important the january 6th commission focus on what happened on january 6th. and what led to that attack.
>> reporter: mccarthy spoke to politico on monday telling them that he had a private conversation with cheney where he asked her to tone down her rhetoric. he also said it creates difficulties when leaders do not work together. asked if mccarthy's approaching cheney had any effect he told a reporter, you be the judge. >> lauren fox, thank you. let's talk now with elizabeth newman, former assistant secretary of homeland security and co-director of the republican accountability project. elizabeth, thank you for being with us. former gop congressman joe walsh gave cheney a bit of a reality check. this is what his reality check was about running for president. quote, this is silly. no one who opposes trump in trumpism has a prayer to be the gop nominee in 2024. is that the truth? >> hi, brianna. you know, i think it's definitely an uphill battle, but
i think the trumpists in the party are really over -- overestimating the hold and the power that trump has four years from now. a lot can happen in four years. there are pending court cases and criminal potential criminal charges. you already have seen a softening of support for trump. there are about 20% of the republican party that supported him originally. and are ready to move on now. so when you add in the never trumpers, that's 35%. it's a small minority of the party, but when you have so few people willing to be the representative, the lead for that segment of the party, meanwhile, you have a very packed field of people vying for becoming the next trump. you know, she has a shot. so it's kind of interesting to see how this might play out. >> very interesting. so i want to ask you about what's going on in arizona. there is a republican-led
recount of 2020 presidential ballots from maricopa county, which is the most populous county and this is pretty interesting because there have already been two audits there. this is 2 million ballots. there were no irregularities in those other two audits, and this all started because of the big lie. how do you see this? this is what the gop in arizona is championing. how do you find the place where maybe the republicans who feel actually kind of disenfranchised by their own party but also don't consider themselves democrats, where do they go in arizona? >> i mean, this is lunacy. governor hogan used that word to describe what was going on in arizona. it's absolute lunacy. it's really dangerous. i don't think any of us think that the results of the audit are going to be fact-based. they are already spreading messages on oan which is the only media outlet that's allowed to observe that they found
systemic fraud. this is going to serve as nothing more than fodder to rile up a percentage -- a strong percentage. it's 50% or 60% of the republican party still believe the election was stolen, and that's what led us to january 6th. so adding more fuel to that fire is likely to lead to political violence. it's very irresponsible, and it's sad because it's just going to continue us down this very unhealthy path. and i was hopeful that we might be able to start to rebuild but we're clear not there yet. >> your group which is the republican accountability project, just issued report cards for every republican in congress. it's ranking in your view, who has acted to undermine american democracy and who has worked to uphold it. there are 14 republican lawmakers who received a grade of "a." among them, mitt romney, lisa murkowski and congresswoman liz
cheney. then more than 100 republicans who got an "f" and that included the house minority leader kevin mccarthy and congressman steve scalise and mo brooks. what other names jumped out to you in either the "as" or the "fs." >> it's really sad there are so few "as." when you add the as, the bs and the cs, around 80, 90, 100, it's still less than the fs. it's kind of -- it tells you the state of the party that we have so many irresponsible republicans that are sitting in our branch of government that's supposed to be representing the people. it's very dangerous and we need to hold them accountable. the group that jumps out to me the most is actually the cs and c-minuses. if you look through that list, it's a large number of republican senators. in fact, most of the senate leadership for republicans fall
in that category with the exception of rick scott who falls -- he scored an "f." and it tells me this is the group of the squishes, right? they tried -- they are trying to walk -- have it both ways. condemn trump. but not really do what you need to do. and that's interesting. i think if, one, if you can convince them that what -- if they would come together as a un unified group and denounce the big lie and be consistent with it. the election was not stolen. joe biden was legitimately elected, over time that actually might help us with the security problem we have where you have 4% of americans believe that the election was stolen and violence is justified. that's out of the university of chicago. that equates to 10 million people that think that violence could be justified is a significant security problem. these republican senators, especially in leadership, could have the ability -- i think
there's over 60 of them that scored cs or c-minuses. if they would come out very consistently, denounce the big lie and when they are in their home districts and home states, be very consistent with that messaging. over time, that could help us a lot from the security perspective. >> elizabeth, thank you so much. elizabeth newman. >> thank you for having me. a private school in florida is telling teachers who get a coronavirus shot to stay away from students. wait until you hear why, next. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. ♪ usaa ♪
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and we couldn't get any of the parents or teachers or staff to stop and talk to us. they were actually escorted in by security. but here's what i can tell you. yes, what you said is correct. in a letter that was put out by the ceo and co-founder of sentner academy it states that vaccinated people cannot come close, they cannot allow them to come close to their students until more information is available. now that same letter cited a series of false claims. claims that have been contradicted by the cdc, the fda, the world health organization. you get the point, right? all false claims here that are not true. things like if you are close to vaccinated people, that alone is a risk. again, can't say it enough, that is not true. now, cnn reached out to the school and in a statement, they are standing by their decision saying that it is being taken out of an abundance of caution.
that's their reaction. but here's a reaction from a local health expert. >> here we have one of the most powerful tools in our arsenal to protect ourselves and get out of this problem. and they are discouraging the use of it. it's tragic. it's egregious towards anyone who wants to protect themselves from this virus who would be employed by them. >> let's look big picture here because it is that type of misinformation that officials here are working really hard to tackle. just yesterday, i was at a vaccine site where the spokesperson took every opportunity to say vaccines are safe and they are saving lives. in fact, that was the response when i asked how are you tackling misinformation and vaccine hesitancy right now? definitely big messaging effort in florida right now for that.
>> definitely. major problems. leyla, thank you so much. here is what else to watch today. the justice department just opened a brand-new investigation into louisville police practices following breonna taylor's death. what it could reveal. and a new look at the late anthony bourdain. the woman that he called his, quote, lieutenant, will join us live.
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ensure policing practices and policies are constitutional and lawful. i'm joined by the mayor of louisville, greg fisher. you said you welcome the investigation. what do you expect it will find? >> that's what we're going to find out, john. it's no surprise that policing is at a real crossroads and every mayor is looking at their police department saying, how can we make sure the practices are constitutional, there's no discriminatory practices. and what's the best practice with use of force, search warrants, all these types of things. we've done a lot of deep review ourselves through outside consultants with our department. a lot of reform take place in our city. but the doj should be the gold standard for investigation. so anything that they find, we'll get right to work to because, what does a great police force look like right now in the 21st century america is the real question. >> you tell me. what does it look like? i'm curious. this comes on the heels of a similar investigation into the practices of the minneapolis police department.
do you think the issues you've seen in your city are reflected other in cities as well? >> absolutely. you see that daily on the news as you well know. so the key is, how do you build police community legitimacy in our city and every city across america. so police officers are welcomed into every neighborhood, especially communities of color as guardians. and they're part of the community's fabric. what we're trying to do is co-produce public safety, citizens, police department, working together to define what is that best way? nobody argues with the function of policing. it's now policing is being exercised in 21st century america. that's the problem and those are the issues that we're working to produce this best practice. >> what do you think the intersection will be in terms of investigating what's gone on the last few years and maybe some of the specifics surrounding the breonna taylor case? >> well, i think it comes back to some of the basics. search warrant processes.
are there particular practices that are dangerous that should be restricted on when they take place? in our case we've banned no-knock warrants with breonna's law. what does community oversight look like. we've put in a civilian oversight to do that along with numerous other reforms. there's a lot of basic things that we've learned that are safe and not safe to make sure all the safe elements and civilian oversight is in place within a city. new technology out there as well. in my view, it's just a time for a total top to bottom review for all of policing in america and have a set of national standards that apply to every police department. >> you know, no charges were brought directly in the killing of breonna taylor, so how confident are you this will lead to meaningful change? >> well, if there's areas to change, we will. breonna taylor, that was a tragedy for our city and, obviously, there's a pending charge, officer awaiting trial right now. and when you saw that, how it took place, no body cameras
evident, that's the big difference with the breonna tragedy. since that's happened we've done everything we can to get to the truth in that case to make sure that justice is served. >> mayor greg fischer of h louisville, thanks for being with us. up next, the journeys of the late, great anthony bourdain. new stories from the book he planned but never had a chance to finish. it's the mother's day sale. ♪ ♪ and this is how mom shines... ...at zales. the diamond store. introducing voltaren arthritis pain gel. the first full prescription strength...at zales. non-steroidal anti-inflammatory gel... available over the counter. voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. voltaren. the joy of movement.
among the many reasons people love the late anthony bourdain was his passion for exploring new places with good friends. often with his side of colorful language. >> it's a judgment-free zone here, though. >> totally. >> a come as you are situation. >> yes. >> i think that's true of queens in general. and you can kind of fly under the radar. you have not been harassed too much today, right? >> no.
guy came up to meet me. hey, you look like anthony bourdain. i said, i wish i had his money. he said, yeah, that asshole. it was the perfect encounter. >> that's queens. >> the woman you saw there with bourdain was his longtime friend, assistant and co-author who has just released a new book that the pair began together before his death in 2018. and she's with us now. laurie woliver, this book is called "world travel, an irreverent guide" which it certainly is. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to read a couple of parts from your introduction. it was such an important entry into this book. you said, did the world need another travel guide and did we need to write it? in march 2017 when tony and i began to discuss the idea for this book, an atlas of the world as seen through his eyes, i wasn't entirely sure. but then later you go on to say, after he had passed, maybe the world could use another travel
guide full of tony's acid wit and thoughtful observations and a few sly revelations of the mysterious contours of his battered heart stitched together from all the brilliant and hilarious things he said and written about the world as he saw it. you changed your mind over time. tell us why. >> uh-huh. well, you know, tony's death was, obviously, a huge shock for a lot of people. myself included. and there was -- it was so sudden that there was this -- there is this collective wanting to hear more from him. i personally felt so -- and continue to feel so -- what a regrettable thing that all of the work, all of the writing that he did exists. so i wanted to take all of this collected, wonderful work that he did and figure out a way to
make it new and fresh and make it useful to people, whether they're planning to travel, whether they have never traveled and won't ever travel or whether they are starting to think about it now with the way the world is starting to open up a little bit more again. >> i think you really did that in this book and i was wondering, like i am sure i am one of many people who would say, yeah, there does need to be another anthony bourdain book, but how are you going to do it without anthony bourdain, and the answer is you go through this book. you didn't do it without him. he is all over these pages all of the wonderful things that he has said and you have put them in one place. >> that's right. he was an amazing speaker, just off the cuff. he spoke like a writer. and he really wrote like a great storyteller who was just speaking off the cuff. so all of that exists. some of it is in voiceover from
the shows that he did and some of it is just on camera remarks he made. and some of it is in the many wonderful books that he wrote. so it's all there. and it was a matter of figuring out what makes sense to include. what's relevant to all these wonderful destinations that he showed people through his travels. and so that was my job for a good year and change after he died. >> yeah, and before that, you met him back in 2002. you started working as his lieutenant which i think is lovely that that's what he called you in 2009. and you were really friends as well as colleagues. how is this, for you, writing this book? is this something that helped you heal from losing your friend so suddenly? >> absolutely. it was a really useful thing to have a reason to sit down and really immerse myself in all of his just tremendous use of
language to watch episodes, to read the transcripts, to go back and read the books and listen to them on audio in some cases and just to really, in some cases, look at things with a fresh eye and really see just what a magnificent observer he was. and what a wonderful storyteller he was. how generous he was in giving other people a platform to tell their stories about their little corner of the world. >> yeah, it is a beautiful memento, laurie, that you hear him in it. and i think people are going to enjoy this, as they continue their travels here in the future, which certainly we all need so much. laurie woolevar, thanks for being with us. >> absolutely. thank you so much. >> i can't wait to read that. a short time from now, president biden will unveil the new guidelines for americans when it comes to wearing masks. >> plus president biden making a big announcement when it comes to the minimum wage.
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