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welcome to cnn town hall on the climate crisis, i am dana bash. president biden announced a sweeping new plan to fight climate change. saving the world from global warming will mean remaking the u.s. economy as we know it. with us tonight, the president's team leading this charge, special envoy john kerry and white house national adviser, jeannie mccarthy and we'll be joined in the first town hall since this historic announcement. our audience is here in washington and around country and ready to ask questions. everyone here tonight is following covid-19 safety protocols. welcome to you both. before we get started from the audience, just a couple of questions starting with you secr secr secretary kerry, slashing emissions in half is quite ambitious. what must u.s. companies in
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america change to achieve this goal. >> u.s. companies are already moving in this direction. some of the most financial institutions committed in the trillions of dollars over the next ten years to invest in the technologies and processes that are going to help reduce this emissions and other countries are doing this. europe is cutting by 55%, u.k. is cutting by 78%. why? because the scientists made it clear to us that this is critical if we want to hold the earth's temperature increase to 1 1 1.5 degrees cenigrade. president biden getting all the country enlisted. 85% that create the problem, emissions, comes from other
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country. >> administrator mccarthy, do you see the president's announcement? >> i see this is beginning of investing america again and creating millions of good paying union jobs. i see this is america winning back the future. this is all about recognizing that the clean energy economy and our race to it has already started. it is our way of making sure that people can have jobs again and moving away from one of the worst years all of us experienced to a moment of hope and opportunity. this is all about investing in us again and about winning back the future. i don't see this as the beginning of the end, i see this is the beginning of our future. >> okay, let's get to the audience, secretary kerry, i want you to meet dennis chestnut. what's your question? >> yes, good evening. the climate crisis is similar in
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many ways to the covid-19 pandemic, it is affecting the entire planet and impacting everyone. it requires everyone to participate for our mutual survival, most u.s. citizens are not looking at climate change as an imminent crisis, what will you do to elevate the climate crisis discussion and conversation for the average american citizens that this is a crisis that can't wait to be addressed? >> dennis, that's a great question. thank you very much for it. it is part of the challenge obviously and for everybody to cut it and get behind these efforts, the fact is it is already happening that people are transitioning and realizing what's going on. farmers in the midwest in our nation have seen their crops blown up by floods.
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you said the fires in california, the intensity of the storms, look at what happened in texas the other day? we don't have a sufficient grid system in america preparing for these crisis. the reality is that you know we need to recognize that the evidence for mother earth is kind of screaming at us. we see things happening that have never happened and we are supposed to happen one in every 500 years. we see the ice is melting in greenland. scientists will tell you that may be gone. we may be in a course that we can't reverse it. when greenland melts, you are going to have feet of sea level increase. it is a question of us talking the truth, factually to people of exactly what's happening and exactly what we can do about it. that's what president biden began today in earnest of the
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policies he put forward and the hosting of this gathering of leaders all around the world, you had the prime minister of india and the president of france and chancellor of germany. these folks are smart. >> secretary kerry. we'll get to those leaders in a minute. 72% of democrats agreed with you, they think the planet are in crisis. only 10% think that. what's your message to those republicans who needs to be convinced? >> we need to talk to everybody. we want to talk to those republicans who have questions of what's happening. what president biden is doing is based on science. two and two is four, still. some people want us to debate whether two and two is five.
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unfortunately a lot of money had been spent to get people to have doubts whether this is happening. unfortunately, it is fallen some what in the partisan divide of our nation. we have to get over that. we have to kind of achieve the baseline of facts and science so which we normally making decisions. when we decide to do things and what's exciting is this is good for all americans. this is going to be the greatest market, the greatest job creators since the industrial reserve revolution. republicans will see that. plenty of republican ceos who have major companies are totally backing what president biden is doing. >> this is for you administrator mccarthy, one key component is to get electric cars out on the streets. steven bach from north carolina
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have a question about that. >> my wife and i in the market looking to purchase a new car. electric vehicles is not considered due to the cost of convenience. what do you think you can do to make this a more economic and lodgistic choice for the typical american consumer? >> the american job plan and the work we are doing to address greenhouse gas emissions are really going to speak to this very issue. it is not about sacrifice. it is about working with our manufacturing sector to revive it. it is about building batteries in the u.s. so the cost goes down. it is us taking back to the supply chains.
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it is about putting people back to work in good union jobs. there is legitimate issue of electric vehicles that are not assessable to everybody. that'll change -- >> when will that happen? >> one of the ways is to work with the common manufactures. we did not choose electric vehicles. they came to us, electric vehicles are in the future but they're producing in china and not here. we need to invigorate our manufacturing sector. we have companies that are scouting up, one to serve gm and one to serve ford. we have actually proposing to do a lot of consumer rebates, we are proposing -- >> that's one of the questions, when are they going to be cheaper? >> when more are sold. they are more sold than ever been before. they are acatching up. we do have to lower that cost.
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we think that's the future and the company itself is saying well likely to be spending and producing 100% of vehicles by 2035. we are not going to ask people to make abrupt changes. we are asking people to look at the technologies of today, we'll advance them and deploy them and getting those jobs back here in the united states and at some point in time those and should be very soon because the sales are starting to go up. you will see companies actually catering to all consumers and will be able to make this happen. >> i want to stick with you, i want to bring in another question from paradise, california, you remember it is a city devastated by wildfires in 2018. 85 people died there. suzanne is a survivor but she lost her home. she's a retired teacher, she's a
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plaintiff in a lawsuit against pg&e corporation to recover damages. >> the town of paradise burned down in the largest fire of the history of california. years and years of droughts and high winds and a spark power pull caused the fire. we were a tinderbox as is much of california. california has been told it is our fault that our state suffers from fires. we can't be blamed for drought conditions and unprecedented high temperatures well into the fall? what is your response and how can you help? >> there is a number of things that we are doing and we have to look at how we actually build our infrastructure so that it is resilient. it was not enough investment in the transmission infrastructure to make sure it would be safe
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and solid. there was not enough opportunity for us to take a look at how we could make sure that people have egress when this started. there is going to be more drought. there is going to be more floods. part of our effort is to look in investing in infrastructures and not only grow jobs but protecting our community. so we are trying to look at where these routes are occurring and predict them better. we have more and more technology available to us at the federal level to know where these dangers are so we can try to mitigate them. but all and all we have to recognize that the climate has changed droughts, fires and floods, are actually going to been ever present issue which is why we can't settle with inferior infrastructure and
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transmission grids that don't work across state line like what happened in texas. we can't allow especially in our environmental justice community that are already feeling the punch to have homes unefficient or unsafe or they can't get to work everyday because the transit system is down. there are so many ways which the united states need to invest in its own infrastructure and do it in a way where they're protecting communities and investing in the communities left behind. >> i want to bring in another audience member, secretary kerry, an engineering professor from the george washington university. >> good evening, having left global climate not once but twice. what will the biden/harris administration do to establish conference that the u.s. is serious about climate change
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action. >> dan, two great questions in one. i urge you when you get home tonight if you have time or over the week take a look at what happened to the white house today when president biden hosted 40 heads of states. the 20 largest economy in the world, all were part of this summit today which was for the purpose of raising ambition to get the job done. and, the leadership of president biden is what made it happen. and he's not -- he has said and i have said and gina said we are not going to become leaders because we say that we are back or asking to be leaders. we are going to be doing leaders by doing things. day one, we joined the
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agreement. and then he followed through in his promise to have a summit which we just had today. he and gina who's done an incredible job bringing everybody together around this new goal where labor unions and hardworking folks around the country support what we are doing because they know this is going to be better for their standard of living. it is going to raise their quality of life. i think we are going to earn our spurs. that's how you get credibility. we'll be doing it by working at this. the second part is how do we know this will stick because someone else may come along. i will tell you why this will stick. trillions of dollars are going to be spent and invested all around the world, every nation is represented in supporting the paris agreement and now preparing to build the next step
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of raising ambition on a global basis. that money that's being invested, no politicians can come along to undo what's going to happen o f the transmission of our economy of the global basis. i see it happening in a remarkable way. let me comment on them who by the way has his hands, i think i am right of a beautiful mustang and lovered it. the president of ford motor company will tell you electric is a better car. you are going to have workers working to build a car and put the wheels on and do the upholstery and part of the car and put a battery in instead of combustible engine and fewer parts. this is a huge transition. president biden will put 500,000 charging stations out there in america so people will have conference. you can get the electric car and go to work and make sure you get
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charged. >> i want to follow up on something you said both at the white house and here which is that the president has executive orders which is true zand understanding that and business putting deep roots in this notion. you have to change policies legislatively, how are you going to work with republicans and congress to do that? >> yes, you have to change some things. no, you can also do some things by executive order. >> it can be easily reversed. >> i don't think it will happen. i don't think it will be too big in economic force in the future that it is taken place. even when donald trump pulled out of the climate agreement, 37 governors in the district of columbia all stood up the next day and said we are staying in. 1,000 plus mayors all stayed in the worse day movement. and they continued to work
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towards the power agreement. we cut emissions even while donald trump was president and we wound up in a place where we are now able to meet the goal that gina and her team have put together because we stayed at this despite donald trump's doing. >> dana, can i just add, president biden is clearly a person who has been able to make bipartisan decisions happen and worked together. if there is any area where i believe it will be successful. even in the last part of the trump administration, we had a republican-run congress, they actually passed tax extensions and credits for clean energy at a year when solar and wind were the highest levels ever. that was 2018. we are not talking about
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inherently democratic republican issue here. we are talking about a lot of the proposals that the president put in on the table in the american jobs plan are highly supported by the public and president biden is not speaking democrats or republicans. he's selling this to the public. >> i like your optimism. we'll continue and we'll have to sneak in a quick break. we'll be right back with more questions for the white house's climate team. >> the cnn town hall, climate crisis is brought to you by jeep a , there is only one and by --
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welcome back, we are back and administrative mccarthy, i want to start with you going to gillette, wyoming, he was a coal miner laid off. >> how does the biden administration, the biden administration planning to put out of work when they shut the coal mines down? >> well, i will start by saying that i understand that a lot of
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people have been caught in this transition. one of the most important things that i think president biden did in this plan was to out right acknowledge that a transition has been happening and when we can't leave any of the work in the communities behind. we have a plan that's being released tomorrow looking at how we do start investing more in training and how we also invest right away which we started to do already to the tune of $240 million to look at how we match skill sets that those coal miners already have available jobs. there are thousands of oil and gas wells that have never been closed at viewing methane gas. we have coal mines similarly
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situated that have been abandon. in the long-term it will take training and it will take opportunity of different education to be able to be provided and we are going to be looking for congress to support that and we are going to already be investing in a budget. >> so you mentioned skills set and pay. many fossil fuel workers received higher wajsges and benefits. can you guarantee today's coal and gas workers they won't get a pay cut if they switch? >> president biden is not just interested getting folks a job, but a good job. he wants people to have access to unions. people have been taken advantage of and we know we have to build the middle class and people have the right to have one job and raise a family and have a home to live in or buy. no, he's not going to be satisfied by trading off a
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really good job for one that does not pay. one other reasons why we have established this end in the american jobs plan, requirements for labor stance so that if you want federal money to support what you are doing or company or product then pay a fee away. so we have every intention of working with the unions so the unions that lost jobs could get more jobs where they needed in their own communities and get trained again if they need it but we have no intention of supporting companies that won't pay their work as a fair wage. >> secretary kerry. >> it was a big deal that the leaders of russia and china decided to join in. can the u.s. trust in vladimir putin who interfered in the u.s. election and xi jinping misled
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the world of the kcoronavirus? >> nothing president biden is doing based on trust or blind trust. we are going to require accountability, transparency and make certain that people live up to the pledges they make. there are new system now that we have which will help us achieve that kind of accountability. we have realtime vision from space from satellite structure, that we can measure literally a business footprint in one country of the world and so i think that's part of what we'll work at as we go to glasgow is how do we guarantee that this is not based on trust. it is based on don't trust and verify. >> glasgow -- >> the follow onto paris and
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that's the next negotiation. >> i want to go to our trip that you just got back from shanghai. china says emissions won't start to decline until 2030. why can't you convince them to be more aggressive? >> they said today and there is a headline in the new york times based on it that president xi said they'll have strict regulation on their coal and they also said that they'll be green and we have to make this happen. they're saying it does not make it happen. we have to ascertain what they mean and how they're going to do that and what will verification be. china agreed when i was there in a joint statement. they said that we have to take action in the 20s, 2020 and 2030. if we don't do what we need to do, the decade of decisions, we
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can't achieve net zero by 2050. we have to ask china to do more. they are not doing enough. they have a mass coal dependency. we have to ask china not to be funding the building of new coal power plants and other parts o f the world. we had a long conversation about that. the next six months president biden wants us to conduct diplomacy that'll build the support for broad transparency, accountability as we go to glasgow and no pledges will mean anything. if we don't have a sufficient level of accountability and transparency. >> administration mcor mccarthy want to go to a graduate from tulane university. >> we are familiar with climate
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change, we live with flooding and and hurricanes. last year the united states was hit by 12 hurricanes. many had left because they can't rebuild. what strategies are being considered to aid those forces to be relocate because of climate change? >> well, president biden has american jobs plan a significance to adaptation and resilience. one is to ensure individuals and homes can be relocated in areas where they choose to move because they are afraid of these types of reoccurring storms. there is no question that we have areas where people live now are increasing more challenging. we also have communities that are still struggling to get drinking water provided or sewage systems not installed. we have basic needs in this
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country apart of rebilling our infrastructure but part of it is to make sure we have the infrastructure in the first place, triable communities in particular have been hard hit by covid-19 and they're really challenged in terms of some of the areas in which they live and maintaining their home and safety. >> are there parts of the u.s. that are becoming so dangerous that they should be abandoned? >> i was in the phone yesterday with the tribe from alaska of where it is exactly. they want resources to be relocated. they know they can no longer live in the island where they are and they know their food sources are being impacted because the ice is melting. >> there is no question that we have to face some of these extreme challenges but i think for the most part we are talking about a country where we have a president that understands that
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climate change is a planetary problem and everywhere people are suffering we want to be able to take a look and see opportunities to keep them safe and healthier and to rebuild some of the communities that had been disinfested in for far too long. that's what the american jobs plan is. it is really not talking to people about climate, it is talking to people about things that are real and important and important to them right now. that's jobs, good homes, a place to eat, keeping the kids safe and giving them a future. >> two hurricanes and a drought hit central america, thousands fled. should climate change be given refugee protection? >> i think that the first line of prevention for this crisis of
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people who are migrating already is to do what we did a number of years ago in the obama/biden administration where we had people coming in from central america, el salvador and honduras -- we helped deal with the under lying causes in those countries. we did it years ago in latin america we are at large. president biden thinks that you want to deal with the root causes of these things moving out. if they can't grow food or no amendment to live then you are very much a refugee. what we face today, dana, is not just in latin america or central america but globally. i mean it was 130 degrees last summer in pakistan and 130 degrees in california and the
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middle east. hottest week and hottest month and hottest decade. all of us have to recognize we'll have tens of millions of refugee in some parts of the world if we don't start to do what gina was talking about in terms of resilience and adaptation which are essential part of dealing with the climate crisis, not just mitigation and lowering emissions but building people's capacity to be where they are and not have to move and i think there is a lot that we can do before we start tieing it into an already complicated issue which is immigration. >> secretary kerry and administrator mccarthy, thank you so much, we'll be back with more questions.
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welcome back to "cnn town hall," joining us now is our administrator reagan.
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the trump administration left many individuals in different. t a vast amount of environment regulation, how does the epa plans to gain trust through tackling the climate crisis. >> that's such an excellent question, we start by rebuilding trust with transparency. we are the people's place. people should understand and know what we are doing. we start to rebuild trust by investing and reestablishing our climate change website to educate the public. transparency, reinvigorating scientific integrity. the bottom line as a public agency engaging with our communities directly to let them know that we are working with and partnering with our communities to protect him, to give them clean air and water
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and land. >> secretary grandholm, we have a question now from texas. >> black americans were forced to live in low-lying polluted area across america. due to systematic racism within our federal and state government, many of us still living in those deplorable conditions today. how will our federal government assist people of color in low-lying areas or relocations after hurricanes. >> it is a great question and super important question because there are so many communities that have been affected in a negative way by climate
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pollution. the president has put forth this american jobs plan and the great thing about it is 40% of the benefits of this $2.3 trillion plan are going to be directed to communities that have been left behind or unseen or have been disproportionately affected. that means that we'll be able to direct federal resources to help those communities in what we call place base decision making. to help them lift them up so they are not forgotten and to combat systematic racism and systematic and structural issues that those communities have felt. this american jobs plan will realize that and that's true for coal communities as well. >> a study this week shows more than 40% of americans are living
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in areas of unhealthy air quality and a majority of those are people of color. they are the most negatively affected. on that topic, a surgeon and professor at the george washington. >> study shows that communities of color of low economic status having higher level of -- what can we do to help these patients that the epa is doing to improve their air quality to protect their health. >> the studies are not wrong. facts are facts. environmental justice in this administration is exactly where it should be. it is at the center of every
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conversation. the president has created an environmental justice agency council that all of our agencies are coordinating with. at epa we have councils where we are listening to the community. what people should know is at epa, i have directed every office in our agency to give a full accounting of how environmental justice and in equity fits with the work that we do. it will be apart of epa's dna, whether it is our procurement or contracting. yes, we have some time to make up for. people should be optimistic that their voices are going to be heard. >> administratoror regan, you a the first black man to lead the epa, how is your life experience informs to do your job? >> it informs greatly.
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it strikes a cord of me. i am one of those children growing up using an inhaler. i understand what it is like you can't get that breath and how it distracts from you paying attention in class. i grew up fishing with my grandfather and father, when there is a lot of pollution outdoors, i can't participate in those activities i enjoy the most. it i a it impacts the way i look at my job. there are instances where we have failed the community not just air quality but water quality as well. the president's vision with the american jobs plan really takes a hard run at this. looking at how we invest in our communities and all across this country and not to mitigate pollution that caused climate change impact but same
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pollutants also caused our water benefits and impacts our water quality. the president is very wise in thinking of combatting climate change while creating jobs and investing if our infrastructures. >> i want to bring in daniel reed. >> during one of the 2020 debate, president biden said he does not support a ban on fracking. there are numerous studies showing that fracking reduces significant greenhouse gases. i know the president put a temporary hold on new fracking leases on federal land. i am wondering what regulations the administration is considering going forward and why a ban is not on tape? >> first of all, you did note that he does and has put a hold on fracking on all federal land. there is a recognition by this administration that fracking
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ad admits methane and that's cons grated greenhouse gas. what the president wants to do in the investment of the american jobs plan is t to -- managing carbon and reduce methane emissions. he's been focused in making sure we are not leaving communities behind. if we have power from fossil fuel sources which natural gas is that we managed the carbon so we don't have greenhouse gas emissions today. we have the whole world looking at the united states and so many countries around the world used natural gas to power their nations. we want to make sure that methane and greenhouse gases are eliminated. the technology is being
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developed in the laboratories at the department of energy, we want to deploy that technology to make sure we can eliminate methane emissions. >> why ban it only on federal land because most of it occurs on private land? >> it does. for example, tsecretary kerry ws mentioning hydrogen as a one solution that people are looking at. you can take the greenhouse gas emissions out of natural gas. you can use that, goes greenhouse gas to create another form of energy which is hydrogen. you can create hydrogen from clean sources, it is called green hydrogen. it is all sorts of technology solutions to be able to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, all of it will have to be put into place. all of which create jobs. the administration is reviewing all of this and it is not like
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we had the last word because you and i have talked about methane emissions and epa is the regulator of this. we are looking at all of this, we want to make sure we want to keep and create jobs. >> the secretary makes a roger goo good point. the good news is technologies evolving and the markets are requiring it and everyone oil and gas companies and coal companies are asking for regulations on methane. >> and -- >> i am sorry, there are also many of those gas companies are creating their own goals because they see where the world is
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going. >> we are going to stay on this topic but i want to bring in another urn. this is for administrator regan. a school bus driver from chico, california. >> today a gallon of regular gas cost californians $3.40 cents while texas is paying $2. can the federal government regulate oil profits as they do so that consumers is not solely paying for the cost of cleaner fuels? >> that's an excellent question. we are focused on clean vehicles on two fronts. we are having conversations with the automobile industry, we are having conversations with the union.
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the conversations are moving at a net breaking case where we can set regulations that is are timed with available technologies that'll have the jobs needed and the market prices come down so they are affordable. so it is a great opportunity in terms of electric vehicles but in addition those very are also perfect tools for the platform our new electric to also lower electricity prices as well. >> so you're working with them. not everybody trusts these companies. new york city is suing exxon, shell, bp, and the american petroleum institute for allegedly systematically and intentionally deceiving new yorkers to believe those companies are greener than they really are. do you agree that these oil companies are misleading the american people? >> i think that secretary kerry said it best earlier when he said you verify, but you don't necessarily trust. as the regulator, we have
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accounting systems in place. and we don't take too kindly polluters or cheaters. we have ways that we can measure and verify. so most of our regulations are done from a technology and performance standard perspective. and we are taking a look at where these companies are and how quickly we need to drive them to meet these climate goals. we are facing a climate crisis. i think we all agree that we're facing a climate crisis. >> you know, there are a group of lawyers who want oil companies to include tobacco-style health warnings in their ads. is that a good idea? >> you know, i think education on every level is important. i think the public deserves a right to know. >> is that a yes? >> who was contributing to pollution in this society. at epa, that's out of our lane. but i think in terms of a good general practice, the public needs to understand, and at epa this is why we are putting our websites back up, we are publishing our science. we want people to know that in
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addition to what the government can do to regulate and control these emissions that we can empower them with information so that they can make decisions for themselves as well. >> stay right there. we're going to sneak in a quick break. we have much more for the white house climate team. stay right there. this cnn town hall, the climate crisis is brought to you by jeep. and by america's leading beverage companies. working together to help get every bottle back. go to cnn/projectplanet for companies helping to solve the world's most pressing environmental issues.
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welcome back to cnn's town hall on the climate crisis. secretary granholm, i want to go straight to the audience. >> good evening. the u.s. has squandered time to transition its energy production away from coal and other nonrenewable resources. is the biden administration ready to move quickly towards using modern nuclear technology which is safer and can use nuclear waste as a fuel source for energy production in order to maintain our standard of living while avoiding a climate disaster? >> that's a great question, and the answer is yes. the biden administration actually in the american jobs plan has got funding to invest in these small modular reactors. and there is concern about the reactors that are scheduled to come off line if we want to have clean baseload power. obviously nuclear is one. and i want people to understand that nuclear because of the very many understandable and good regulation around it, that it is
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safe, the way the united states conducts it. so it is an important part of our energy mix, and we also want to include a whole bunch of other types of technologies, which, by the way, create jobs in all pockets of the country. nuclear creates a huge amount of jobs, but so does solar, wind, geothermal, hydropower. there's so many forms of clean energy that this administration is supporting, and hopefully with the american jobs plan we can invest in. >> administrator regan, our next questioner is nancy from arizona, and she is a third-generation family farmer. they grow cotton and alfalfa. >> central arizona needs new water. i live in pinal county, arizona, and it is predicted to become uninhabitable within 30 years. this is due to drought, which may be caused by climate change. local politician dick powell has presented a plan that would involve piping water from the
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colorado river. this could be a win/win situation for both central arizona and the mississippi flood plains. but it must be acted upon immediately in order to keep us from drying up. how could this be expedited? >> that's a great question. and i think we need to really pay attention to the request from our farmers who grow our food, help put the clothes on our backs. the reality is that this is a really good part of infrastructure. there are lots of infrastructure needs in this country, both repairing antiquated infrastructure but thinking about new and creative ideas like the one she proposed. obviously we'd have to take a look at what that pipeline would entail and whether or not there would be environmental impacts. but the reality is, is that all of these ideas have to be on the table because we are facing a crisis. we are facing a drought. and we need to be creative in thinking about how we serve the american people. >> secretary granholm, want to bring in meghan from portland,
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oregon. she works for portland audubon. >> what is the biden administration's stance on the line 3 pipeline, a proposed pipeline expansion that would move tarsan's oil from alberta, canada, to superior, wisconsin. the route passing through the mississippi headwaters through wetlands and through the treaty territory of the anishinabe peoples. >> the biden administration is really sensitive to indigenous peoples and their homelands and making sure that we are not uprooting communities that we have a moral obligation to partner with communities and nations. you know, that pipeline i believe is under review, but i know that this administration would much rather see pipelines that are carrying clean energy like hydrogen or co2 that it
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puts underground or for replacing water pipes that are contaminated with lead. if we're going to do pipes, let's do pipes that build the infrastructure of america in a way that is future-looking and not rely upon fuels or transport fuels, even though our neighbors to the north want it, that are not going to contribute to reducing greenhouse gas pollution. >> sounds like you do not support it. >> well, it's not in my department, but i can tell you that i think there is great sensitivity to the indigenous peoples who will be affected by it. >> administrator regan, our next questioner is emily fisher. she is from fort collins, colorado. she is an atmospherics science professor at colorado state university, and she is the founding member of a nonprofit called science moms. >> i'm a scientist, and i study wildfires. one of my life's most terrifying moments was when i took my
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