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health care workers at risk every single day and after spending the evening taking care of a person having a heart attack with active covid, it just got to me, and i stood in the shower for a long time. >> understand that. >> thinking about where we've been and how we need to put this away once and for all. >> doctor, thank you so much. thank you-all so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now and anderson, i know you're picking up on the breaking news and this very important development of johnson & johnson tonight. >> we are. appreciate it. good coverage. good evening, two big breaking items in the race between the coronavirus and vaccines that have shown they can stop it cold. within the hour, the cdc and fda made it official they are lifting the recommended pause on the use of johnson & johnson's single dose shot and also late today, hopeful numbers from the university of washington's institute for health met iric a evaluation.
the news comes as the daily number of people rolling up their sleeves appears to be dropping, somewhat, perhaps in part due to concerns of the j&j vaccine and tonight, public health officials are seeking to put into some reasonable perspective. joining us from the beginning of this, chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. what have public health officials decided about the j&j vaccine and why? >> well, they're basically going to -- first of all, they made a decision because no more kicking the can down the road and the decision is to lift the pause, this pause in place now for sometime and they will put out warnings. they are going to say there is a risk of blood clotting and a condition where your platelets can go low so people should be aware of that and clinicians, people who may take care of these patients now know that this is a rare, very rare but possible occurrence here and it needs to be treated a certain way. anderson, i'm going to put up this graphic here. when you think about risk versus
benefit, that's what really the emergency use authorization is all about, and that's what they really looked at here. if you look on the left, that's women between the ages of 18 and 49. for every 1 million doses given, we saw roughly 13 cases of this condition of clotting. but at the same time, prevented 12 deaths for every 1 million doses, prevented 127 icu admissions. that's the risk benefit sort of ratio for women over the age of 50, it's even greater, the benefit versus the risk. that's ultimately what this decision is about, anderson. >> so, it was a mistake then to pause it? >> i don't think so. i think there was two reasons, fi first of all, we knew of six women initially but sometimes it's hard to figure out. you may have had other people that developed the problem but didn't relate it to the vaccine. when they do a pause like this, it sends a signal is there anyone else out there? are we looking for needles in
haystack or is this the tip of an iceberg. there are women that may have this associated problem but not a lot no matter how you look at the numbers, it rare. this is such a rare condition that clinicians often times will treat this clot with a medication that can make things worse. the medication known as heparin. they needed to send a signal, as well, hey, if you see this, this is how it should be treated. >> clearly, they will work to get the message out that it is very rare. how soon do you think people will start making appointments again for the j&j vaccine? >> well, i think they can -- they will be able to make appointments again this weekend, maybe even tomorrow morning in some places. there is 9 million of these doses that have been distributed to states so this could happen quickly. you saw adthe advisory committe and row dr. walensky sign off. in terms of people making appointments, when things like this happen, there is two
schools of thought. one is wow, they found something that occurs a few in a million times, that's how granular their safety signal detection is but it may fuel he issitancy, as we >> i want to bring in dr. chris murray. dr. murray, so your now model projects the death rate will continue to decline between now and august 1st. in addition to the vaccine, what is contributing to that decline or expected decline and what does it say about a potential fourth wave? >> the key drivers are what you said, anderson, vaccination going up and also, we're pastal k coronavirus that peaked in february and as we get in the summer, we expect transmission to be going down. those two forces working together, we believe despite the new variants will bring down deaths at least until august 1st in the united states. >> dr. murray, the worst-case
scenario, who cat could cause t numbers to rise again? >> the worst-case scenario, we model people stop wearing their mask faster and people go back to baseline mobility faster and what i mean by baseline is what we did before covid came around, you know, last march. and if that happens, the daily death rate can, you know, stay up above 750 a day right through to august 1st. so despite all the good news about vaccination going up, we are still in that critical period where how we behave really influenced the trajectory over the next four months. >> sanjay, cdc data shows the seven-day average of vaccine doses administered dropped below 3 million shots per day for the first time since april 6th. now that the j&j pause is lifted, do you expect to see the average climb again? >> i don't know. i actually don't know. it a good question.
i can tell you before the pause, the j&j doses were about one out of every 17 doses administered so it wasn't a huge amount of this vaccine and we know that moderna and pfizer has plenty of that vaccine around. why the numbers dipped a little bit. there is two things that seem to be from our reporting, one there is still areas of the country that are hard to reach, even though it much more widely available and everyone is eligible now, it is all adults are eligible now, there are some areas that are harder to reach and in other areas, you may have some vaccine fade where people just aren't as earn nest to get the vaccine. we'll see. i don't know how much of an impact j&j will have on that. that's a bigger picture issue. >> given what you know for projections on infections and deaths, what do you know about vaccine hesitancy and supply stripping demand? >> we actually think that supply will out strip demand pretty soon in probably the middle of
may. you know, facebook runs a survey every day and we look at that data on a daily basis and that's shown that vaccine confidence in the u.s. is slowly but steadily going down since february. you know, not a huge amount like a percentage point a week but that's enough. we were at 75% of adults saying they wanted the vaccine and now we're down in those surveys down to 67%. so that means there's a lot of people out there and it's a growing infraction of people that aren't sure they want to get the vaccine and that's really important that we overcome that. >> dr. murray, i don't want to put you on the spot. i guess i will. we've had you on this program an awful lot over the past year. are you optimistic about where things -- where you think were headed? >> you know, anderson, i'm optimistic in the short run to the u.s. but the explosion of the epidemic in india to, you know, levels that we haven't seen throughout the epidemic is
really worrisome because that's a new variant we think is driving that. it a veariant that breakthrough natural immunity and vaccine derived immunity and tells us we're all at risk for new variants as long as there is tons and tons of transmission of the virus around the world so when we look at the u.s., things look like the next four months will go our way, but in the bigger picture, i think, you know, we have a lot to worry about covid throughout the course of the rest of the year. >> sanjay, what is to stop the indian variant, the brazil v variant causing havoc there from spreading in the u.s.? >> well, i mean, we've seen this b.1.1.7 come and there was a few cases and now it's the dominant strain. that could happen. i think if you can bring viral transmission really low as dr. murray is talking about, maybe,
you know, you greatly lower the risk that any virus is spreading whether veariant or something else. that's the challenge. we keep saying wear a mask even if you've been vaccinated and people often scratch their head, why do i have to do that? this is the exact reason. you can potentially carry the virus and spread it if you've been vaccinated. it's a lower likelihood but it can happen. the risk goes up. >> yeah, sanjay, chris murray, thanks so much. appreciate it. we'll get deeper into the problem later in the program. right now, there is breaking news on the deadly police shooting of a black man named andrew brown junior in north carolina. the mayor is calling for body cam video to be public. tweeting the governor initial reports of the shooting in elizabeth city and death of andrew brown are tragic and concerning. the body camera footage should be made public and the sbi
should investigate thoroughly to ensure accountability. the state burro of investigations is the sbi and in addition to that, ems dispatch is being released indicating brown was shot in the back. brown was shot as sheriff's deputies tried to serve him with a felony drug related arrest warrant. he has a history of resisting arrest but cnn can't verify such charges against him. family members and his girlfriend say neither owned nor carried a gun. more on that in a moment. we don't know if there was a gun present. first, here is the ems audio. >> ems, got one male 42 years of age, gunshot to the back. >> 40-year-old male with gunshot wounds to the back. >> that's the ems call. because authorities have yet to release body cam video from the deputies involved, tensions continue to be high in the community. we are joined from north carolina.
we saw dream emonstrations last night. what's the latest about the shooting? >> reporter: anderson, the frustration level in the street and community and among members of the brown family continue to grow because authorities, as you point out there, seem resolute not wanting to release the body cam footage right away. we caught up to the sheriff not long ago today, tommy wooten and asked him about just what is the holdup here? everyone is inpatient for this. he said it's the d.a.'s call even though the sheriff's department is the decision maker. >> not want to hinder the investigation and in situations like this, the magnitude of this situation is very del delicate. we want every piece of video and evidence to be perfect so when it comes out, it's done right.
>> reporter: some other new details we learned from the sheriff a short time ago. he said there were actually multiple body rcameras operational during this operation to try to arrest and search andrew brown so there could be several angles of videotape we might eventually get a look at and he said sweve sheriff deputies are under administrative leave. we pressed him on did all seven fired their weapons? he said no but seven of them are on administrative leave in relation to this incident and three others have quit the sheriff's department as a result of this incident. they're down ten deputies tonight, anderson, you know, and again, he says he understands the frustration of the community. he's determined that this investigation has to be done in his words just the right way but again, you know, everybody here from the city counsel to members of this community to the members of the brown family is calling and in some cases legally
petitioning for this video to be released and as you mentioned, the governor just tweeted it should be released so the pressure is really mounting on the sheriff and the district attorney to release this body cam footage. >> brian todd, appreciate it. our legal and law enforcement professionals weigh in on what they know and would like to know. there is a lot more we would like to know and we'll get they are take from the judge on the derek chauvin case and what cnn is learning about another angle on florida congressman matt gaetz.
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we're talking about the breaking news and everything else surrounding the death of andrew brown junior during an effort to serve an arrest warrant. he had a history of resisting arresting, something cnn has been unable to verify and not many answers at all tonight, only questions surrounding his death and demonstrations in the streets there. here to help us sort through it
all, cnn legal analyst, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and monica alexander, retired captain in the state patrol and interim director of the criminal justice training. you heard the sheriff saying that -- telling cnn there are concerns and releasing body camera footage could hinter the investigation from a legal standpoint. does that make sense to you? >> it does not make sense. police and prosecutors need to understand the world is changing very quickly now and the old way of doing things just won't cut it anymore. i'll tell you candidly, as recently as a few years ago, th enforcement is we'll give you whatever we want whenever we want and you'll say thanks and one of the less sons-in-law and l -- lessons and legacies of the derek chauvin trial, the public expects and deserves transparency and truth and quickly and this idea from the sheriff well, it's not my call. okay. get on the phone to the d.a. you're the sheriff.
i guarantee he'll take your call and if you have to go to a judge to get an emergency order, there is always a judge on emergency duty. there is a north carolina judge on duty right now who would be willing to take this and consider it. >> monica, what do you make of their decision so far not to release it? >> well, i think that what happens is investigations start off in one place and end up in another and i think the way they look at it, they're trying to preserve evidence but i agree that, you know, the community has a right to know what is going on. the community is asking for answers and the longer it waits, the hotter the pot gets and i'm really concerned about what is happening all over with the relationship between the community and police and trying to give transparency, accountability and communication and building relationships with our community through trust is what's going to help us to get to where we really all want to be. >> yeah, elliott, we learned from the dispatch audio andrew brown junior was apparently shot in the back.
that was the initial dispatch that went out. there are now seven deputies placed on administrative leave, two resigned and one retired. without authorities providing more information, you know, we heard from a community member last night out on the streets, you know, protesting, talking to brian todd just saying they would -- they just want answers of what actually occurred because without answers, you know, assumptions are made based on history and mistrust. >> this is a perfect illustration of the problem of withholding and of not being transparent. with this one piece of information that we have reportedly there was a shot to the back. there is a lot of other factors but i wish police officers across the country would accept and understand this one basic principle. you cannot use deadly force. you cannot take out your gun and shot solely because somebody is fleeing. there may be other circumstances that may justify it but you cannot shoot someone because they're fleeing.
you can chase, you can call ahead. maybe in some instances you can use a taser. it depending on the circumstances but that one rule would do a lot of good. >> we don't know the circumstances of what occurred there. monica, there was a video statement in the wake of the shooting where the chief deputy said that mr. brown had a history of resisting arrest. what cnn couldn't immediately verify that but if authorities are going to put that out there, seemingly em ly i ly implying iy or not, it does raise a question why not also show the public the video? and i think that that is a fair question but i think only that agency can answer that question because every agency has the policies and collective bargaining agreements that they adhere to and it's important that the community is doing what they should do, ask the sheriff, ask the person in charge of that particular situation and should,
you know, get answers and we're looking -- i think that in the state of washington we're looking at placing laws and almost at the end of the legislative session and there is a lot of things going on. our commission is run by 16 commissioners so i have 16 supervisors that i answer to and so everything that we do here is at one central location at the academy as far as our training goes and commissioners are the boss and four of those commissioners currently are citizens. i think citizens want a door to have a voice and i'm really proud of what washington is doing right now by giving our citizens a voice, not quite big enough yet because they're still asking us to do more and we're listening. >> yeah. regarding the derek chauvin trial, the judge in the case ordered the names of jurors to be with held for six months. how unusual is that? >> it is unusual. prosecutors like that because sometimes jurors say things in
the media that give the defendant a basis for appeal if they say something about the way deliberations occurred that maybe was appealable. i guarantee the prosecutors are breathing a sigh of relief but the judge has to balance the need for the public to have transparency, the public interest in the case was like nothing we've ever seen. it a tough balancing agent for the judge here. >> thanks so much. great to have you back. next, exclusive new details on the scope of the investigation to florida congressman matt gaetz. that one! and the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection. living with metastatic breast cancer means being relentless. because every day matters. and having more of them is possible with verzenio. the only one of its kind proven to help you live significantly longer when taken with fulvestrant, regardless of menopause. verzenio + fulvestrant is for hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer that has progressed after hormone therapy.
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we know more about what matt gaetz may be up against including allegations of relationship with an underaged girl and visit to the bahamas involving the congressman and several young women. what others may have hoped to gain from gaetz from taking that trip. what else are federal authorities looking at in regards to it? >> anderson, you know the federal sex trafficking investigation into matt gaetz has been going on -- we've been talking about it for a couple weeks but there is more to it. we're told part of what prosecutors are looking into is whether gaetz took gifts including travel and paid escorts in exchange for political favors. sources told us that the justice department is scrutinizing this 2018 trip to the bahamas that involved gaetz and several young women, specifically looking into
whether this get away was part of an orchestrated effort to illegally influence the congressman on the medical marijuana industry. now, cnn has previously reported gaetz is under investigation for having a relationship with a young girl who was 17 at the time and he attended parties in orlando with other prominent republicans in that area involved women, money, sex for money and drugs. cnn learned that investigators already have one key witness who is cooperating. that's joel greenberg. the former seminole county tax commissioner down there in florida and he's a close friend of gaetz who also was attending some of these parties. he was indicted last year on multiple federal charges that include sex trafficking and he's expected to plead guilty in the coming months, anderson. >> you report a number of his close associates have ties to this industry. >> well, that's right. so gaetz has a long history of
advocating for medical marijuana and introduced legislation at the state and federal levels. he's been looking to loosen the laws regulating the industry. now, according to reports, dr. jason who is a florida doctor who founded a medical marijuana advocacy group went with gaetz on this 2018 trip to the bahamas. gaetz referred to the doctor as one of his best friends. the pair repeatedly enter seconded over this medical marijuana issue as far back as 2014, gaetz was a state representative in florida and introduced a medical marijuana legislation two weeks after vacationing with him in the florida keys. one week after that legislation was passed, he launched a medical marijuana consulting company and in april 2018 when gaetz introduced the medical cannabis research legislation, a source tells cnn that the congressman hand delivered a fully written draft of the bill
to his staff, which over lapped significantly with the agenda of the doctor's group. neither gaetz have been accused by the justice department of wrongdoing and not been charged with a crime. the doctor's lawyer declined to comment for the story and we got a comment from matt gaetz' s spokesman and said gaetz is a long time spokesperson on medical marijuana and passed legislation. for the sex allegations, the congressman repeatedly said he's never paid for sex. >> ever evan perez, thanks matt is reporting really put this story on the map matt, what do you make of the cnn reporting about investigators looking at a medical marijuana pay-to-play scheme in connection with the trip congressman gaetz allegedly took to the bahamas? >> it interesting. i think the primary focus for
investigators here would be on the trafficking of an underaged person of a minor. that's sort of a good target for them. public corruption cases are tough, you know, it's tough to s substantiate federal public corruption charges. you need a link between something, a person is giving an elected official and the thing the elected official is doing for them. it sounds from your guy's reporting investigators are interested in that question here with respect to this 2018 trip to the bahamas, was that sort of a bribe? that could be a tough case integrity and similar circumstances that kind of pay-to-play, the supreme court said that didn't amount to corruption. more venrecently you had the senator charged in a corruption case that also collapsed and the justice department sort of abandoned that, interestingly, that involved private planes,
too. we'll see sort of what happens here but those cases are far more difficult than the sex trafficking. >> you mentioned the federal authorities are investigating whether gaetz had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl which gaetz denies. do you know where that part of the investigation stands? >> mr. gaetz has not been charged yet. the next shoe to drop is this person the feds are trying to get as a cooperator, joel greenberg, this local tax collector in florida who is thought to have also had a relationship or had sex with this woman. he's already charged with that conduct. he's in plea talks with prosecutors now and they sort of have a may 5th deadline to reach a plea deal with him or go to trial. so the investigation into gaetz on that charge is very much on going and kind of the next thing to happen is will joel greenberg come on side and what information can he possibly provide that would help investigators advance that case? >> yeah, that's not clear
exactly what information he -- i mean, obviously, i assume text messages that they would have had are already in the possession of authorities, no? >> yeah, so that is how investigators sort of first got on to gaetz seizing joel greenberg's records and seeing something in there that flagged them to gaetz and they certainly would already have the messages. if you're thinking about building out a federal case, messages are one thing and receipts, venmo or cash app need someone to explain them to say hey, this money was going to this person and that's possibly what mr. greenberg got. >> federal authorities are not in the business of handing out plea deals for nothing. somebody has to have useful information to trade with them and useful information in a similar position they are. somebody sort of hire up or perhaps more prominent? is that how it works?
>> mr. gaetz is a higher profile target and i think that is what mr. greenberg would see as his value, i'm giving you a u.s. congressman, i'm just a local tax collector but to your point, he does have to have information that could meaningfully advance their case and joel green burg is facing a lot of charges just in his own right stealing from the tax collector's office and defrauding a coronavirus relief program. he is charged with sex trafficking of a minor. this is a person who the feds are not just going to wipe away all his charges so he can give them a congressman. he's really going to have to provide a lot of valuable information corroborated information to make a deal with him worthwhile. >> matt, appreciate your reporting. thank you so much. >> thank you. just ahead, returning to breaking news, the johnson & johnson vaccine may now be used again. researchers say it's incredibly important to get a vaccine to
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confidence is a cause for concern. virus transmission is increasing in 34 states the. we've also learned that vaccination rates seem to be declining. meaning it's not the time for people like for republican senator ron johnson to start fanning conspiracy flames about vaccine passports and telling people not to get vaccinated but that's what he did in an interview thursday. >> from my standpoint because it's not a fullry proved vaccine, i think we probably should have limited the distribution to the vulnerable, to people that really aren't, you know, to the very young, i see no reason to be pushing vaccines on people. >> keeping them honest, pretty much everything he said is wrong and dangerous. vaccines save lives. and the vaccines approved in this country have all been shown through testing to do just that safely. now, as someone who sits on the foreign relations committee, senator johnson should know the play india has gone through with the second wave that crippled the country. this pandering is something no
country can afford but johnson, who has actually had covid wasn't done. >> the science tells us that vaccines are 95% effective. if you have a vaccine, quite honestly, what do you care if your neighbor has one or not? >> well, one answer is herd immunity, the more people vaccinated, the less likely the virus can spread from one person to another, the more people vaccinated, the fewer people end up in hospital and die. otherwise, just as a human being, you would think that you would care enough about another human being that you would care if your neighbor has been vaccinated or not because you wouldn't want them to die or get sick, maybe senator johnson hates his neighbors but i doubt that and even still, i can't imagine he doesn't care if they live or die. the faster people are vaccinated, the faster society as a whole can get back to work and life. perhaps we should not be shocked, though, by the senator's statements after all this is the man "the new york
times" called the republican party's amplifier of conspiracy they theories and misinformation. that was not on the editorial page, that was their news division but what is really strange about this is remember this guy? >> and then i see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. >> remember listening to that all day? that was one year ago today. the then president of the united states wondering if we can study ways perhaps to inject people with disinfectant and turning to his medical team to get them to look into it. he later claims he was being sarcastic, which he wasn't. one year and 175,000 americans dead. that's how long ago it was and
that's what happened over the last year. still, even today people like senator ron johnson spread lies and disinformation. one important reason for a republican like ron johnson to support vaccinations is vaccine he i hesitancy is prominent in this country and more often among republican voters. ma martin looks at how to get people vaccinated in one southern state. >> reporter: at covid-19 vaccination sites in mississippi, they are seeing something new. bored. by friday the state had more than 74,000 open slots in the scheduling website through the middle of may. this is the driveup lane of a mass vaccination site in jackson. they say they can head off to 1200 appointments a day, so far they have 275 scheduled but they admit some people just don't show. it's not that everyone 16 and older got the shot, far from it.
30% of mississippiens had their first vaccine dose. the national average is closer to 40%. it's pretty quiet. >> yes, i mean, today is quiet, but it hasn't been like that all the time. >> reporter: so what is going on? experts worry the dropoff suggestions a lot of people don't want the vaccine and fear what is happening here could jeopardize reaching herd immunity which doctors say wouldn't be achieved until 70% of the population is vaccinated. besides mississippi, other states significantly lacking when it comes to percent of adult population fully vaccinated, alabama, georgia and tennessee. states that are more rural and more republican. a population more skeptical of the vaccine. do you continue to fight misinformation? >> yes. every day. yes. every day. >> reporter: public service campaigns encouraging vaccination are overwhelmed by a flood of false information on
social media. it's what caused hailey coleman to delay getting her vaccine. >> it just felt like everywhere that i looked, i was seeing somebody with a new conspiracy theory or just a reason not to get the vaccine. >> reporter: those false fears were only fueled when the johnson & johnson vaccine distribution was paused due to concerns over a rare type of blood clot. in mississippi, since that happened, health officials say projected vaccination numbers have fallen off a cliff. that incident fed into the fears of those who were hesitant. >> yes, it did. >> reporter: it wwas, i told yo so. >> yes, yes, okay, like, see? >> martin joins us. do you think any of the people you spoke with will change their minds about the vaccine now that the j&j pause is lifted? >> reporter: no. primarily because there are two broad groups when it comes to
the the hesitancy here in mississippi. all you have to do is look at the horrors of the tuskegee syphilis study. the fact that the government and that medical experts have now decided that the johnson & johnson vaccine pause can be lifted is not likely to reassure either one of those groups and i should point out not the least of which is one of the poorer states, if not the poorest state. so there are a lot of people that don't have access to the internet and you need that for information or to make an appointment or can't afford transportation to a vaccination site or simply can't take time off to get vaccinated. anderson? >> martin, appreciate you being there. my dad is from mississippi. love the state. hope more people get vaccinated. >> reporter: a great one. >> a look ahead at the white house and the end of the first 100 days and approaches the first address to a joint session of congress.
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expectations for him to tout vaccination rates and the economy, but also lay out a roadmap for his future goals. bloomberg business week's new cover summed it up this way. move fast and fix things. president joe biden went big in his first hundred days. now, comes the hard part. joined now by chief white house correspondent, kaitlan collins. so what is the latest you are learning about how president biden and the white house is preparing for next week? >> i think often, anderson, with these first addresses to congress, there is a lot to put in there. especially, of course, when you have taken over governing during a pandemic and vaccinations have been their number one goal has been pretty clear to everybody, as they have ramped up. but i think what you are going to hear from president biden next week as he does make this first address to congress is a lot about what he wants to see happen, in the next-100 days, because that's going to come, that address, one day before he hits his 100-day mark. and so, i think you will see him not only lay out that american family plan. that's that next part of, really, what he envisions in addition to following that coronavirus funding bill. the infrastructure proposal he's now laid out. this is going to be a part
that's really focused on child's care and healthcare, all of that, kind of, aspects folded into there. of course, he will also talk about his infrastructure plan and coronavirus, of course, will be a major topic for the president. >> kaitlan, stay with us. i want to bring in david axelrod. former senior adviser to president obama cnn senior political commentator. david, how high are the stakes for president biden? i mean, does it matter much? >> no, i think it does matter much. you know, these things can -- can sort of fade in their importance, over time. but there are very few chances to speak to an audience of this size. and make no mistake about it. he may address congress, but he is talking to the country. he is going to tout the accomplishments that he's had. but the real purpose of this is to build public support for the phases that have yet to come, to pass this american jobs plan. and to tout this american family plan that he is going to unveil, perhaps at that speech.
and build support to try and put pressure on congress to pass it. and so, i think, that will be a principal goal. to tout what he's achieved, but to build momentum behind the pieces that have yet to come. >> kaitlan, the white house says it wants to see progress on climate change, infrastructure, gun safety, police reform. i mean, it's a long list. and not necessarily, traditionally, what some people think of as infrastructure. does the president's team think he can actually win over skeptical members of congress next week? or is this just about making the pitch to the public? >> i think it's much more about making the pitch to the public. that has -- is what you have seen them really focus on when they have seen this republican resistance to some of their ideas. i do think they are making a different effort, this time, with infrastructure and whatnot. to reach out to republicans and hear their ideas than you saw with the coronavirus relief bill, which, of course, they passed with only democratic support. so i think this is kind of a twofold thing. but i don't think they think they are going to magically win over a lot of these republicans who are not for what president
biden considers infrastructure during this speech. i think it is going to be much more focused on selling it to people and explaining what his vision is for it, and why he thinks some of these things are infrastructure. earlier on, i was talking about the american family plan, i said healthcare. i meant it is going to be really focused on education and childcare. and also, this next step in this economic recovery that he is pursuing. >> david, what do you make of this white house's kind of definition of infrastructure? >> yeah. well, it's obviously defined broadly. and some of it, i mean, he is going to talk about human infrastructure, relative to this next plan, the american family plan. there was some of that in his -- in his infrastructure plan. but some of it, you know, infrastructure has changed. you know, we wouldn't have been talking about broadband, some time ago, for example. one of the smart things i think they have done, anderson, is to pitch it as a competitiveness issue. to say we have to do these things, because we live in a competitive world. and we can't have a third-world
infrastructure and be a great power, and compete with china, which is investing deeply. i think he is trying to tap into some of that. but, you know, one of the things that's also impressed me is the duality here. he is pushing very hard to get things done quickly, even if it has to be on a partisan basis. but he is not using partisan language. he is not vilifying his opponents, as we saw during the last administration. and he is -- if -- he -- he may not get bipartisan support but he is going to get caught trying. and i think that tonal difference, especially after trump, has really benefitted biden in these first-hundred days. >> you know, and, david, to kaitlan's earlier point. do you think -- i mean, obviously, you know, president biden has been in the white house and the obama administration. do you think this white house had a grasp at how hard it would be to win over lawmakers, who are so clearly beholden to the former president? >> well, i do think that -- look. they did go through the obama years. i think they -- they -- they had
a sophisticated idea, which is why they went, right away, to budget reconciliation, which only required democratic votes to pass what they wanted to pass but we should point out. we talk about his repeal to republicans for support. he needs to get 50 democrats in the senate. he doesn't have that big a margin in the house. and so, i think, these proposals are going to change. they may be moderated because he needs a joe manchin, he needs a kyrsten sinema, from arizona, who are more moderate and have raised concerns about some of these issues and some of the spending. so i think you are going to see, you know, some of the effort here is -- is designed to try and create public support around them. >> yeah. >> to get them onboard. >> david axelrod, kaitlan collins. thanks so much. up next.
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