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particularly this last year i feel like he's gotten a lot of us through some very, very difficult times. >> oh, absolutely. and i know you were obviously joking saying, hey, you've been here 20 years? when you and he are together on a story anywhere in the world, the humanity that's brought to bear and the relative acumen, obviously nobody's been in tough times more than you when it comes to coverage in our generation of journalists. and with his medical acumen, it is just an amazing combination and has been now for a long time. he's got some years on you here at cnn, but -- >> i'm getting close. >> take the discount. it's great to remind him and he also reminds the great work this place does, especially when you guys are side by side. it's nice to see him recognized. take care, my friend. good to see you. all right, i am chris cuomo and welcome to primetime. another policing story ends in a funeral. that means we have another chance to ask if one person's
end this time 20-year-old not dane daunte wright killed because the police officer thought she had a taser. like most social problems, this is complicated. half of you say black people have a better chance of being struck by lightning than a cop. why are so many people of color looking up at the sky so often? let's look at the data, you say. that's as much a false corridor as it is any kind of path to reality. how do you want to assess? how many are killed by race, armed or unarmed, do you want to do crime by race, raw or by percentage of population? how about by police context? how about by community? how about our stops that don't result in arrests. or how about arrests or use of force as a function of type of stop? how about stop and frisk versus compliance version us a compliance versus a subservience
of culture forced upon a people? that way we'd rather avoid the numbers. it's easier to say, i support black lives matter. i support the blue. what do we know? that conflict, that polarity is the reason for the bruise on our society. we can't be a black and blue society. it has to be about what this country is about for everyone. that idea gets so daunting that we can't wait to forget about daunte. of course there's a pull to move away, if only to avoid the pain. if only to pretend it's just so pointless. to avoid the problem and all its complications. but i have to ask, aren't enough of you just tired of shrugging your shoulders? this is the time to stick. i don't mean pile on. i don't mean demonize police. the changes that we need are to hen the police as much as to help anyone. but we have been doing it wrong
by cycling from crisis to crisis, because there's always a case. there was a case as we waited on the floyd case verdict. then before we could get straight on what happened and why a cop may have had to shoot 16-year-old ma'khia bryant as she lunged at another kid with a knife, came another case, a man killed by police in north carolina. how did serving a search warrant turn deadly? now, in that case we have a familiar problem. no body cam video. transparency is everything, especially when there is so little trust among those in the minority. a big reason that the bryant shooting kept people from the streets was that we all got to see what happened. she was charging at two other girls with a knife on tuesday. one got knocked to the ground,
the other is the girl in the pink sweat suit. the officer first to arrive on the scene, he did have a split-second decision to make. you may not like it, but that is the decision. there are too many where we can't see that reality. then you say, but why are people upset here? well, first of all, they're upset because a kid died. and because there's something else that you have to recognize. there's not trust between police and these communities. they've been kept in the dark on too many cases to trusteesly. trust easily. they are left wondering. there was another case in ohio in december. police officer adam coy shot andre hill who was a guest at his friend's home, not an intruder. a neighbor had called in a complaint. there was a car sitting in front of his house being turned on and
off. the cops come, they find a black man in the garage, tell him to lift his hands. guess what he does? he lifts his hands. a cell phone in it. the other hand is obscured, the officer gets spooked, gun, gun, gun, shoots him four times. no weapon recovered at the scene. the officer now charged with murder. see, system worked, you say. hardly. the answer is not simply to fun what's done when a life is lost. by the way, punishment turned out to be very challenging. but the key is to figure out not just why it went wrong, but why can't it go right for people who are black as often as it does for people who are white? what i mean is there are so many instances of cops acting differently towards white suspects who even actually have weapons, who are openly hostile to them, and they don't get taken down with deadly force. just last week police say this guy trapped a cop's arm in his
truck window while attempting to flee. police say, we all is saw it in the video. there's a video of it. he drags an officer away hanging by his arm, later attacks the officer with his own rescue hammer. look at him. he look like they laid a hand on him? that's how he was arrested. you said they're not supposed to hit him. the point is that people who are minorities want to wind up looking like this when people from their number gets arrested. how about this guy? body cam shows a suspect while back in north carolina attacking a deputy with a knife and reportedly stabbing him. what did the deputy do? used a taser, not a gun. arrested alive. the police officer did the job the right way. the police officer's job sucks that he has to get involved in this. but he didn't shoot him. why not?
i don't want him to have shot him. would he have shot him if he were black? oh, we can't answer that. yes, we can. that's the point. how about this guy in florida. he allegedly attacked his family and was wielding a knife as cops arrive and the officers reportedly pulled out tasers and were able to eventually apprehend him. >> drop the knife! drop the knife! >> would it have been different? i don't have cases to show you where people are brown and black in that situation. now, look, if you want to go case for case, i'm happy to do that. there is this supposition thrown out all the time. man, this happens to white people way more -- show me the cases. not one here, one there. if it happens that much more and we white people are well over 50% of the population, show me the regular flow of cases of people who don't deserve it, who get their as whooped and worse
by police. now you must agree there is a problem with policing. but more specifically, you don't see that flow of cases, you just hear them mentioned because they don't exist. i don't want to cover these cases any more. i don't like it. they don't juice the numbers. that's all b.s. if i just move on, then i know what happens. we wait for the next one that is so unbelievable that we have to go back to it. i'm telling you, it's a mistake. we have to continue the conversation. we have to stick. and i want to do that tonight with the better minds. van jones and anthony barksdale. it's good to see you both. one thing we can correct, commissioner barksdale. the body camera footage has to come out. in the beginning they didn't want to get the body cams. now more and more everybody is
getting the body cams. in the beginning there was this false argument set up. well, you know, it can be very prejudicial when you see it out of context. no, you show all of it, it's the opposite of prejudicial. now it's about the timing of release. the north carolina casey alluded -- the north carolina case i alluded to, the police haven't released it. isn't there a reason from the police perspective, the job you did as commissioner, to withhold tape? >> chris, transparency is everything. the minority communities, they don't have the trust in the system. they don't have trust in many police departments to release footage as soon as possible should be the goal of all at the top of these departments, over in the politician's rooms, get it released. let the citizens see what happened.
and i know you've pushed over and over again that body cams need to be out there. >> it helps everybody. look at van, look at the situation, a horrible loss of a child. and i don't know why people are coming at me because she was a good-sized kid. still a kid, 16 years old. you can be 4'8", 50 pounds. 16-year-old kid. if you didn't have the body cam video and you had to hear the officer's representations of it, we would not be where we are right now. transparency matters. how? >> well, it matters because what you said early on, which was so heartbreaking to hear, but so true, which is there just is no trust. and without trust, nothing works. and so how do you get from no trust to more trust? first of all, you have to acknowledge you have a problem and you have a bunch of people on another network that won't even acknowledge we have a problem. maybe some people are
overstating, maybe some people are overstating it. clearly we have a problem. then you do trust-building measures, and one of those things is put out the information. put out the data. and, by the way, what happens is when there's cover ups like there was in the case that we just went through where the initial statement was a lie from the police department -- not from the officer, from the police department. don't forget, in the chauvin situation with george floyd, the police department said it was just a medical incident. they had the body cam footage, they put out a lie. now they're under investigation. in a few more years you'll have more trust in the community because you have a police chief that fired the cop, you have a police chief that put out the right information, a police chief that testified. now you can begin to build some trust. the reality is right now there is no trust, and so every one of these cases is tough. let me say one more thing, chris. people say, van, you never talk about the street violence. you never talk about what's
going on. that is a lie. that is a lie. they should quit saying that. we have movements. silence of violence in oakland which i helped get started. we go to more funerals than we want to. the problem is when you have a community crushed between unlawful street violence and police violence, when you don't have the trust, who do you call? when the street violence happened, you can't call the police because they might come and make it worse. and when the police violence happens, you can't call anybody. so quit saying this crap. we're tired of going to funerals when kids are killing kids. we have too many funerals. nobody has a better interest than getting policing right than us, because we can't do anything about the street violence or the police violence until we get it fixed. if you care about us, help us get it fixed and quit saying stuff that's not true. candle light vigil after candle light vigil, movements in every city against gun violence, and to say those movements don't count is a lie. those movements are as big or bigger than black lives matter, bull you never support us when
we are marching in those movements. >> mark, i have a quick investigative point. the cop in the ma'khia bryant case, the reporting is that he was a trained sniper in the military. now, if that is true, it explains why he had the confidence to take what is absolutely a hard shot, as somebody with novice-level weapons training as a gun owner, that's a tough shot when somebody else is right there. he took the shot, hit with four rounds, did not hit the girl in pink. but it also raises a question. did he have to shoot four rounds? if he's that good a shot, could he have stopped with one or two and increased the chance of survival, or is that not a fair question? >> no, it's a fair question. one of the roles when you are -- look, first of all, it's a tragedy. it's sickening to watch, and i
am sorry for what happened. but when you are shooting, officers are trained. whether he had prior military experience or not, they're taught to shoot to incapacitate. his perception at the time might be different than someone who thought that she was incapacitated with one, two or three shots. and, chris, when you are in a situation like that, it happens so fast. four shots can happen in basically a blink of an eye. and the threat was stopped at that point. you telling me about his background, about being a sniper, okay. now i get it because i expressed some concern of shooting so close to the young lady in the pink. but four shots, the young lady
was incapacitated. i'm not celebrating that, but that is the job, that is the training. >> can i say something? >> i'll give you the last word, van. go ahead. >> the thing i want mepeople to think about, suppose the gun had jammed. would he have gone over in close distance and done something? >> bingo. gun jams, whack it, go, get back into action. that's the muscle memory of it, but, van, i understand exactly what you're saying. what he de-escalates or another way to get to, i understand that. but if he's prior military sniper with the training, he's taught to get back into action and do what he's supposed to do. >> all i want to point out is for law enforcement around the world, they don't have guns in the first place. in our country we have an armed citizenry. you have to have an armed force.
i understand that. but just understand, if you're in the u.k. and somebody has a knife, you're trained to get the knife way from them without shooting them. they come at you with a stick, a bottle, our officers are trained mainly on weapons because that's where we're at. but just imagine a world where whatever that cop would have done if the gun didn't work, that was his first go to instead of his second. that's the only thing we're asking. we want our kids to have the same opportunity to survive their dumbest mistakes as every other kid has. that's all we're asking for. >> i'm with you. and i hate -- not you, never could. i hate that we talk about your kids and my kids, as if, you know -- >> fair point. >> but for color, they all bleed out the same way. we've seen that. but i will say this and i've heard this a lot. and it's probably an interview i should have gotten. i should find the parent of the young lady if they're alive in the pink sweat suit because if you're the parent of the kid in
the pink sweat suit, you don't want to know about what plan b was, with somebody lunging at your kid with a knife. and i hate it, i hate that it happened, i hate that the choice has to be made, and i understand now better today because of you and the help of some others why even though this situation seems like you can explain it -- may not like the explanation, but you can explain it -- it still hurts. and it reminds of an inexorable and endless and i mplaquable an unimaginable situation you don't get a break if your skin is brown. that's why i'm doing the story tonight. van jones. anthony barksdale. i started calling him bark. mean be well both. >> thank you, chris. >> here's what we know. we're going to talk more about the ma'khia bryant story. why?
it is not a great case to show police not doing the right thing, but because of that confusion for people -- i don't get why are people upset about this? one, you lost a kid. two, because it seems like there's never a good ending. it never goes any other way. and when you lose a kid, a family loses everything. okay. ma'khia bryant had a mother. she's here tonight. who was her kid? why was she in that house? what does her loss mean? next. not everybody wants the same thing. that's why i go with liberty mutual — they customize my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a little differently. hey, i'll take one, please! wait, this isn't a hot-dog stand? no, can't you see the sign? wet. teddy. bears. get ya' wet teddy bears! one-hundred percent wet, guaranteed! or the next one is on me!
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and they are the ones who work for us. but we don't want to lose sight of what was lost, and this isn't about deifying people. it's reminding who they were, in this case people in columbus, ohio, young people. ma'khia bryant was 16 years old. her life, the pain, her family is feeling matters. joining me now is her mother, paula bryant. and, ms. bryant, i'm very sorry to meet you under these circumstances. but i also don't want your child to only be known by the incident that ended her life. >> yes. i don't either. i want the world to know that ma'khia bryant was a very loving 16-year-old girl. she was my daughter, my baby. i loved her. she was very talented and smart. she was funny.
her favorite color was blue. and i'm just so hurt right now. i'm grieving. you have to excuse me, i'm grieving right now. >> you do not need any excuse, ma'am. i totally understand and i appreciate you putting words to the face and the name for us. and let's talk about your experience for a second. how did you learn about what happened to your daughter? >> i had a phone call and i was at the dentist's office in columbus, ohio. and i got -- the phone rang, and i said, excuse me, i have to get this. i got the phone, i said, hello? and i got the disturbing news that ma'khia was shot.
and i said, what? and the phone was on speaker and the dentist assistant said, we completely understand. i'm going to help you. she helped me out the chair. she said, you have to go. we'll reschedule. my heart was beating fast and i didn't know what to think. and no parent should have to go through this. i can't -- no parent should have to go through this. if this is so unreal, the hurt that i feel, i'm devastated. i was shocked when i heard the news. it was unbelievable. >> have you been able to bring yourself to watch the video? >> yes, i have. but to tell you the truth, i can't -- right now i'm grieving and i can't even watch it to the
end, i can't. i want to remember ma'khia, you know, the good things about ma'khia, the loving things about ma'khia. that's what god wants me to do. i am in god's hands. ma'khia, i believe, is in heaven. she's an angel. i don't know if you can see, but i have this mask and god is our daily and making a path for us right now. he's giving me strength every day, and i have faith, i have faith in god, because god will not put too much on you that you can't bear, you know. and i'm putting everything, everything, this whole situation, even ma'khia is in god's hands.
>> on your mask you have your daughter's full name. what was her full name? >> yes, i do. >> i can't read it. >> okay. her name was ma'khia, and she is named after a male prophet in the bible. her middle name, she has two middle names. that is our family tradition. it's zariana tailia bryant. >> and are those other names -- significance to those names? >> yes, it's a tradition in my family to have two middle names. so i'm a single mother of five kids and, you know, now ma'khia is gone and i only have four
kids, and i can't -- that is so hard for me to say. >> let me ask you this. for people who are learning about your daughter as a function of this incident and this midst of this big national conversation about policing and -- what do you want people to know? >> the killing needs to stop. there's been too many killings in the world. i want the killing to stop. i've always had sympathy for the breonna taylor story and her family and her friends and her situation.
and now i know what it feels like to lose a child. ma'khia is gone. and i want the killing in the world to stop. and that's what ma'khia would want. ma'khia was peaceful. she was loving. she wanted everybody to get along. she was a christian. and that's what i want to say. i want the world to stop just killing. >> paula, i know this is a hard time for you and i appreciate you taking the opportunity to give people another look at your daughter other than where she is in the current context of our national conversation, and i appreciate you taking that opportunity knowing that it's painful. >> you're welcome. >> and i am very sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> all right.
you know how to get us. if there is anyway we can help, we're a phone call away. god bless going forward. >> thank you. god bless you. >> we're going to take a break. when we come back, the humanity that we should feel, no matter how you feel about the scenario, no matter how you feel how somebody should be accounted for for what they did in that moment, you can't lose the sense of humanity. and we have a special guest tonight who connects that idea to culture and behavior. when your humanity is not regarded or respected and you know it, and you know it from others and you know from your own experience and how you feel and how you feel you're seen, what does that do? what does that mean? how big a part of this problem that we're having is that reality? i want you to hear this really
listen. >> mr. floyd had simply gotten in the back seat of the squad car, do you think that he would have survived? >> i think he would have gone home or wherever he was going to go had he not been subjected to the prone and positional restraint that he was. >> so, in other words, if he had gotten in the squad car he would be alive. >> he set off a chain of events that unfortunately led to his death. what we're seeing in policing these days is that non-compliance by the public -- >> is that the truth? my next guest has an understanding that many of you may not, that we misunderstand compliance. we misunderstand its effect, and we misunderstand its significance. my guest is ibram x. kandi.
how to be a racist. what do they miss? >> they miss the people who did comply. whether it's philando castile who complied and still died, or adam toledo who complied to the police officer's orders to stop, to drop it, to turn around, to show your hands, but was still killed. and they also miss that throughout american history, black people, other groups of people were told that it was our fault if we died, not the fault of the perpetrators. >> so you say compliance is a myth. then what does that mean about what the problem is when you have altercations? >> i think what that means is
that oftentimes these altercations in which police officers could have de-escalated the situation, in which police officers could have not chosen to use lethal force, in which police officers could have acted as if they cared for the lives of the people who they were policing, and instead of them recognizing that, instead of us collectively recognizing that, instead they blame the people who are shot, the people who are killed, the families who are grieving to say, only if they would have complied. you know, as if even when we comply -- and i can tell you this personally, chris, you know, when i get pulled over and i get stopped by a police officer and i comply fully and i survive, i still feel lucky. that should not be the case. >> what would make a difference? what could we do that you believe would create better outcomes?
>> well, i think we need to completely re-imagine policing. we need to completely transform the problem. we live in a country where people imagine that communities, particularly black communities are dangerous because of those dangerous black people. and in many ways americans, and even police officers refer to black people as animals, just as politicians refer to latinx immigrants as animals. it's imagined there are higher levels of violent crime because there's something wrong with those people, as opposed to those people are deprived of resources and jobs and opportunities. so we're flooding communities with police, with guns, with tanks, with prison cells as opposed to resources. so i think we have to completely re-imagine how to make our nation safe. >> what do you think will make that happen?
>> i think first and foremost, if we can recognize that black people are not dangerous, people of color are not dangerous, what is, in fact, dangerous is poverty. what is, in fact, dangerous is long-term unemployment. what is, in fact, dangerous is things many americans are facing which then leads to crime, which then leads to violence. and i think we have to get at the root of crime and violence and despair. for whatever reason, we think the roots are people's skin color and that's certainly not the roots. >> i always tell people when they want to play with numbers and they say, you know, the police go hard on white people a lot more. i said, adjust for poverty. that's where you'll see the numbers are similar. still apples to apples, it's going to be worse in communities of color. poverty is the equalizer. removing it will be the biggest agent. we've said it for a long time. we've known it's true, but we
can't get there. i have to say your book is an eye opener for people. if for no other reason than what's on the title, and it gets much better as you read it. it's not just, i'm not racist, it's how do you be antiracist. thank you, sir. appreciate you on the show. you have a place here. >> thank you so much, chris. >> now, peaceful assembly in the constitution, right? does it mean that protest is going to be 100% peaceful. people are going to yell, outrage, angry, that's why they're there. but you have a right to do it, to say what you want, be on the lookout. maybe you don't any more. next.
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explains the george floyd murder verdict. is he looking for love from the fringe echoing a fox fallacy that's as obvious as what jurors identified in 9 minutes 29 seconds of video? no. it's a political power move, part of more than 75 anti-protest bills in 32 states just since january. that's more than double what we've seen ever in a year. just last week we saw this same political party attack dr. fauci over the in fringementment of liberties. you don't hear a word from any of them when a state restricts liberty, the right to vote or in this case the right to protest. in florida, it is now against the law to just be at a protest where something violent happens. check it. okay. not an exaggeration. yet in the articulation of the reality of the threat desantis
sees, he never mentioned this. you know, the actual riot that we watched unfold on january 6. they burned down their own communities. they hunted us at the capitol. it was an insurrection. it was an act of terror. they attacked the cradle of our democracy hunting our members of congress. odd that the same people who ignored the insurrection, the same people who say we don't need tougher hate crime laws or common sense gun restrictions because there are already statutes that make things like assault illegal. now they feel they need to create two new crimes. aggravated rioting which carries a prison sentence of up to 15 years. and mob intimidation. that's a misdemeanor, but anyone charged with it can be rounded up and by law must be denied bail until their first court appearance. bail. what some members of the proud boys and oath keepers were granted after the worst act of
domestic terror in a generation. look, everything you need to know about these laws can be found in what and who they are designed to protect. oklahoma just followed florida's lead. iowa is also considering a bill to do this. grant civil immunity to protect drivers who run over protesters. you know, like that white nationalist did in charlottesville. can you believe that somebody wants to protect your ability to have to pay for this? a bill in indiana wants to make sure no one follows in the footsteps of john lewis. being a part of good trouble, like what we saw at the edmund pettus bridge, that would prohibit you from holding any state employment. in minnesota, protesting would mean putting at risk your education, food to feed your family or even your home. yet in florida they made darn sure to protect confederate
statues, calling them so-called historic property. this is not subtle. it is not a coincidence, and it is not a misunderstanding. this is another attempt to carve america into us and them. so be on the lookout because making laws to discourage liberty is about as far from the promise of america as you can get. we'll be right back. (burke) switch to farmers and you could save an average of four hundred and sixty-seven dollars on your auto insurance. just by phoning it in to farmers. (neighbor) just by phoning it in? (burke) just phone it in. (homeowner) yeah, you just phone it in! it's great! (friend 1) i'm phoning it in and saved four hundred and forty-four dollars for switching my homeowners insurance, too! (friend 2) i don't know what you're waiting for. phone it in already! (burke) switch and save just by calling farmers today. go ahead, phone it in. (grandpa) phone it in, why don't ya?! ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ ♪ ♪ this is my body of proof. proof of less joint pain and clearer skin.
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in honor of earth day, president biden kicked off a virtual climate summit with 40 other world leaders, announcing an ambitious new goal. cut u.s. emissions by as much as 52% by the year 2030. it's nearly twice the level obama pledged back in 2015. critics on the right, see? he's a crazy lefty. progressives, see? he doesn't go far enough. what's the truth, or tnt, truth not told. chris cillizza has the answer. let's start with the right poll with the left saying, half mea measures. he's not one of us. >> yeah. i think this dates back to the campaign and back to joe biden's career in politics. he's a pragmatist.
he's a deal maker. but if you look at the -- we're getting close to the first 100 days. look at the first 100-ish days. you see a lot of stuff that liberals should like. you mentioned climate. i'll throw in d.c. statehood, which passed the house today. very uncertain in the senate but still a major issue that liberals have long pushed. how about this, chris? 4 trillion. that's trillion with a "t." trillion dollars in proposed spending. another $2 trillion on infrastructure? these are proposals that if barack obama proposed them, if bernie sanders proposed a lot of them, liberals would really -- so the joe biden they thought they were getting, we haven't seen too much of that just yet at least, you know, through 100 days. >> that's wry why the right size cillizza is right. this guy is a commie. we told you he would be this. trojan horse. >> this is the problem.
so donald trump spent a lot of time during the campaign calling joe biden a socialist. i don't think it ever worked and i don't think this label has worked for republicans either. i think one of the less told stories of this first 100 days is they haven't found a good way to label joe biden effectively. this is why he's not a soc socialist. there's plenty of reasons but he's not for medicaid for all. in our town hall, he was asked about canceling student loan debt, said, i'm not going to do that. he hasn't signed on to the green new deal. one other thing, chris. the most popular thing among liberals right now, getting rid of the filibuster in the senate, the legislative filibuster entirely, right? lots of democrats saying we should do this. republicans are blockading, et cetera, et cetera. joe biden has said, no, i don't think we should do this, and he's stuck to it. so i think what's happened is both sides are character joe biden. that's obviously what happens in our modern politics. you get a single-sided guy. you don't get a three
dimensional person. but he's not the timid pra pragmatist who's not going to do big things. nor is he at least so far this wild-eyed socialist who is going to fundamentally transform the american economy and our way of life. he's something kind of in between those two things. >> hmm. how about that? i wonder what we call those. >> truth not told. >> oh, reasonable. chris cillizza. thank you very much. we'll be right back. >> thank you, my friend.
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this guy raised that fist before the attempted coup at the capitol. i wave hello to everybody. it's not a wave. he's the only no vote while 94 other lawmakers said yes. the bill creates a new doj role to expedite reviews of covid-related hate crimes and establishes online reporting for them. right now we have to rely on unofficial numbers and these are probably undercounted. hawley explains the bill turns the federal government into the speech police. let's bring in d. lemon. do you buy it, d. lemon, star of stars? >> do i buy what? what josh hawley says? >> yes. >> no. and what this shows me honestly is how insignificant josh hawley is, and i would rather not spend my time talking about someone who's insignificant and who does not believe in equity and equality for everyone. obviously there's an agenda behind what he's doing. he is an insurrectionist supporter, and he should be marginalized because he is not in line, it's obvious, and in