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she's so courageous as well. vladimir, thank you very much. i appreciate you taking the time. thanks very much to all of you for joining me. "360" with anderson begins now. good evening. we begin tonight with daunte wright's friend and mentor gave him as he was stopped by police. make sure your hands are on top of the steering wheel, don't reach for anything, to which he said daunte asked why would we have to do all that just for people not to kill us. daunte wright was killed after a traffic stop outside town. he was 20 years old. >> i sat up until 3:30 in the morning so nervous about what i was going to stand up here and say about my son. [ applause ]
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i never imagined that i'd be standing here, the roles should completely be reversed. my son should be burying me. >> dooiaccording to polling by research, 80% of black adults said in dealing with police, black people are generally treated less fairly than whites. a substantial majority of white adults 63% agreed. the polling was done in 2019 before the killings of george floyd, breonna taylor, ahmaud arbery, and, of course, daunte wright. but the perception was there in 2019 and it's been there for generations. and so has the reality. quoting now from a study published by the national academy of sciences, quote, black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police over the life course than are white men.
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according to stanford university's open policing project, expands more than a decade through 2019, officers not only stop black drivers at higher rates than white drivers their analysis suggests police require less suspicion to search them. the authors caution their methods have limits and more study is called for. that said, even some police officials acknowledge the problem with perception and reality. >> we have to deal with the history, you know. there's a long history in our nation of -- and reasons to mistrust. we can't just brush that aside and pretend that it didn't exist. part of this process is a reckoning and a reconciliation, if you will, of those things. you know, when people say that's the past, you know, the past and the future and the present are connected. >> there is history and it is disturbing and there is the present now, which includes along with daunte wright, the
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names george floyd, ma'khia bryant, whose killing is still being investigated, and andrew brown jr. who was killed wednesday by deputies executing a search warrant. the trial of three other officers, the sentencing of, sean, and the trial of kim potter who killed daunte wright. each of these threads is unique. each of these people are unique. not every killing is tragic as they all are may turn out to be unjustified. however, they raise the same question. is justice being served equally in black and white america? first, daunte wright's funeral and cnn's miguel marquez. ♪ freedom, oh, freedom ♪ >> reporter: daunte wright, 20 years old, his parents barely able to say goodbye. >> i never imagined that i'd be standing here, the roles should
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completely be reversed. my son should be burying me. >> words can't even explain how i feel right now. you know, that was my son. >> reporter: wright, father of one, was shot and killed by former brooklyn center police officer kim potter who has since resigned and been charged with second-degree manslaughter. his death, a call for equal justice. >> how did officer potter see daunte wright, but more importantly, how does america see our children? because if she saw your child, katie, like she saw her child, then i do not think she would have even reached for her taser, much less a gun. because when they see their
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children, they see their future. >> reporter: two of daunte wright ice six siblings spoke about the brother whose life was only beginning. >> i didn't really get enough time with him. i wish i got enough. i didn't get to tell him i loved him before he left. >> i was so proud of the man that he was becoming. and he was going to make an amazing father to junior. >> reporter: the service, part funeral, part rally for other african-americans dead at the hands of law enforcement. >> george floyd's family, breonna taylor's boyfriend, kenny walker is present here with us. philando castile's mother is present here. >> reporter: a call for policing and justice reform everywhere. minnesota's governor and both senators attended. >> we must be steadfast in our
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accountability to change from the top to the bottom and not rest until we create a different future for daunte wright's son and every other child like him. >> it is time for washington, d.c., to move forward on police reform and pass the george floyd justice in policing act. we must make policing more accountable. we have to change police training and standards, including banning choke holds. >> reporter: a final goodbye to daunte wright, a window of hope that real change may finally be possible. ♪ >> miguel marquez joins us now. i'm wondering what the mood in the community is tonight after daunte wright's funeral. >> reporter: look, minneapolis has been whip lashed by, you know, protests over the last two weeks. the verdicts in the chauvin trial just a couple days ago seem to sort of calm things a
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lot and daunte wright being laid to rest today. outside the brooklyn center police department, they put up new fencing. the people here are just gathering to sort of sort through what they've been through for the last couple of weeks and hope that the future will start to look a little brighter when it comes to equality in policing and justice. >> miguel marquez, appreciate it. we mentioned jonathan mason at the top of the program. he joins us now. jonathan, you attended daunte's funeral. i can't imagine what that experience was like for you. >> it was a very unique experience. obviously on the heels of the george floyd verdict and also knowing daunte, it was mixed emotions. but today, you know, it was -- it was good to -- a good feeling to feel like all of us were on the same page. i believe that, you know,
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justice is potentially going to come for minnesota in a sweeping way. >> it's one thing to know this as an issue, to know this as something which happened. it's another thing to know somebody who you have had conversations with about police and about the possibility of this, to know somebody who actually does end up getting killed. when you heard the news about what had happened to him, how did you deal with that? >> well, ironically, i was at another protest for another group that were protesting murders against their family members, and i got about 300 calls. and i've been fighting for justice in minnesota for a long time, so i know what that means. all the students were calling me and saying somebody got killed over in brooklyn center. so i immediately rushed from that event over to brooklyn
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center. and i was saying, you know, what's going on? who's in control of the scene? i was talking to police and one of the students that played on the basketball team with daunte called me and said, you know, that's daunte, right, you're out there fighting for right now? it hit me like a train and my heart went into my symptom and i said, daunte? no way. all the conversations we used to have about this stuff and it was him laying on the ground. i was, you know -- i was mixed with emotions that day, anderson. >> what were those conversations like with daunte that you had? >> you know, like you stated previously, i would tell him to put your hands on top of the wheel if you ever were to be pulled over. the sad thing about it is, anderson, is that i do this day in and day out with kids in
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minneapolis. i'm a man of color, biracial black and white. i had to deal with it in minnesota and i had many close calls where my life was on the line. if i made one slight move or did the wrong thing, so i would teach kids and tell them that your life could be lost and no one might be able to be responsible for it or there won't be any consequences if a police officer does it. and so all those -- all of those emotions, all of those conversations rushed back to me and it just hurt me because this is the reality being black in america. >> you know, the officer has been charged. police have said that she thought she was using her taser. she's charged with second-degree manslaughter. what is justice in this for you? >> you know, you hear a lot of people talking about i went to the funeral today and i listened to ben crump and al sharpton. many of us say it's just accountability right now. you know, in minnesota we have
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so many killings. the disparities are so high. we had justine amonday a white woman from australia and i was one of the first on the scene fighting for her, but the officer, muhammad noor, was charged with third-degree murder. so when we heard about the second-degree manslaughter, i'm like daunte is a human just like justine amanned, and we have to have equal justice under the law. i'm not asking her to be charged significantly more than muhammad noor, but at least the same. that's where we're at in the state of minnesota. we want the charges to be elevated for kim potter and i don't believe minnesota's going to stop until we get that. >> what was daunte like? >> he was such a joyful, spunky young man. i helped get him on the basketball team over at edison high school. me and the coach are really good friends, so we would work to make sure he would get his homework in.
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he was the kid that everybody looked up to, one of the cool kids in school. and so, you know, rehashing all these stories and hearing about, you know, all the people and the relationships they had with him, it was a main consensus on who he was. and to see him go in that manner, it was -- and i watched the tape and i just was thinking to myself, no, stop, please, no. i'd rather him just get a ticket or get a fine or whatever the case may be. and it hurts me. so at this moment, you know, the reality is we have a lot of work to do in minnesota. >> jonathan mason, i appreciate you coming to us. now to columbus, ohio. police identified the officer
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involved and he's been taken off the street as is normal in a situation like this. the president of the local palacio union offered condolences to the family. cnn's jason carroll is in columbus tonight. you spoke with his mother tonight? what did she say? >> reporter: as you can imagine, it was a painful and emotional interview. bryant's mother made it clear to us that the reason she sat down with us is she doesn't want the narrative going forward to be about the altercation or about the officer who fired the fatal shots. in fact, she made it clear that she did not want to focus on that. what she does want to focus on at this point is the memory of her daughter. >> she was taken from me. she was taken from me. >> what would you like people to know about your daughter? >> i want the world to know that
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ma'khia was beautiful. she was humble. she loved to look after people. she loved her brothers and sisters. she wanted everybody to get along. she was a christian. she loved the lord. i'm just hurting. and i wish ma'khia was still here with me. my baby. i wish she was still here. i wish i could hug and kiss her again, and i can't. i can't hug my baby. i'm hurting. i loved her.
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>> did she say what she hopes to come ahead? >> i asked her if she was looking for legal accountability, if she was looking for justice in any form, and she took a deep breath and she paused. she basically said at this point she is just simply going to put it into god's hands. anderson? >> jason carroll, appreciate it. thanks. still to come, we have breaking news out of north carolina, a police shooting involving a black man while officers say they were trying to serve a search warrant. we'll have a live report and details on what they were searching for. later a stark reminder of the importance of masks, za distancing. everyone. everywhere. where everyone is included.
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north carolina. sheriff's shot and killed a black man while serving a search warrant. andrew brown jr. was shot in his car not far from his home. what more do we know about this shooting, in particular the status of the police body camera footage? >> reporter: anderson, authorities here have decided that for the moment they're not releasing that bad camera footage. the local district attorney and the county attorney said under north carolina law, this is not public record and without a court order, they can't release it. that's not to say they're never going to release it but right now they don't feel like they can under the law. we have protesters here blocking an intersection. some protesters are holding a line down there trying to disrupt business. we have another line of protesters holding a line over here. i'll speak to one of them now, his name is kirk rivers. if you could give us your response to the district
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attorney and that decision that you and i talked about where they don't feel like under the law right now they can release that body camera footage. what's your response to that? >> our response is release the information. it's our taxpayers that have funded the body cameras. that's what the body cameras are for. to release it. if there's something, release it, so that way we know -- come out and talk to us. we're here taking over four blocks right now. no one's going because we just want people to come out and talk to us. and then let us know what is taking place. for the district attorney and the sheriff, if there is a law, that does not prohibit them from coming out and talking to us and letting us know what is taking place and what is going on. but we are now drawing our own conclusion. we feel because of past troubles and past lies that we've received from the justice system, we don't trust them.
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we feel that if you are -- you're getting your story together to present to us. come out. if there was nothing wrong, they would release it right now. but are they trying to cover up some something? that's why we're here now. we asked sheriff, woul wooten, out as an elected official and tell us what's going on. what is your plan to bring about a change, to bring the community together? are you just going to continue to let us assume what took place, that you're trying to do a cover-up? that's what the body cameras are there for. body cameras are to let us know, give us both sides of what they see. but if there was nothing wrong, release the information. if there was something wrong, release the information. that's what we're asking. that's what we're saying. and the people we have on every intersection from here for half a mile down, that's what we're standing for.
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we're holding the back line here because we want justice for andrew brown. his family wants to know what's going on. and that's what i'm upset with the district attorney and the sheriff for not coming and explaining and releasing to them so they can try to begin to have closure. >> reporter: we appreciate you talking to us, kirk, and being so candid in your opinion about this. we're hoping some of that body camera footage gets released too. thank you for talking to us. they have a strategy here, anderson. they want to block some businesses and some interactions here. they're going to do this they say every night until they get the footage and get more answers. right now the sheriff's department is not inclined to want to release that under the law, they say. we'll see if the court order comes in the next couple of days. >> did the officials say if mr. brown was armed? there's confusion about that. >> reporter: we've talked to
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several family members of andrew brown who say that everyone carried firearms. they believe strongly that he was not armed because he and never carried weapons. several family members told us that, and represents of the family told us that, affected there's no indication at this point, and the sheriff posted a statement online a short time ago saying nothing about whether he was armed or not. so at this moment every piece of information we have indicates that he was not armed. >> obviously, more information would be helpful. we appreciate that. mistrust of the police, you heard from the gentleman talking to brian, the community leader there. leads us to our next guest, patrick skinner, a violent crimes detective in georgia. he's written a new op-ed for "the washington post." he writes, quote, there will be a natural desire by police, myself included, to say that the system worked. chauvin was found guilty by a jury of his peers and a bad apple was sent to jail, no longer around to rot the bunch.
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this is true, but it's also irrelevant. a nation so tense about a single trial, so uncertain about what was going to happen is a nation in desperate need of much more. officer patrick skinner joins me now. officer skinner, thank you so much. i really found what you wrote really interesting and eye-opening. it was interesting just listening to that -- to the community leader, the gentleman speaking. clearly the distrust based on history and even recent history is very real. i'm sure you and other police officers see that all the time. how does one overcome that distrust? because not every -- some shootings are -- they're all tragic. some are justified given the circumstances that are happening. how can people -- police have to be able to police and people have to also be able to feel safe in their communities from police. >> thank you for having me. it's an incredibly tense time.
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it's -- it's a time where this has been a long time coming. it's been imminent for a long time. it's just this is latest at some point, but at some point we have to have that point and hopefully this is it. how do we build that trust? every single day. it has to be by small measures every day done -- cothe right thing and do it again tomorrow. every city is one away from a protest. i doubt kenosha would have a riot. i doubt elizabeth city thought they would have a protest today. every city, every police department, every neighborhood is one video away. and that means that something is systemically wrong and has been for a long time. >> in years past, there weren't these cameras. so it's clearly -- there were a lot of incidents which occurred in the past which were never seen, which you never heard
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about and people didn't have the information or it was known locally in a community but didn't have a national audience. you wrote about in the past -- you sort of -- you said i believe i was wrong for some time about not taking this personally. i told myself to not take criticism of police conduct and crime personally because while i'm a police officer, i was responsible, i was not personally responsible. you went on to write i don't think that's enough, at least for me. i think i have to take it personally, i have to be offended, outraged, and i have to act. what does that lead you to? >> it means that i thought everything through a professional lens. i said, you know, i wasn't to blame and, therefore, i'm just going to do my job the best i can and try to make small change. i'm still trying to make small change, every day. but i think i had it wrong and
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backwards. i think that i need to take it personally and every police officer needs to take it personally. i think every american needs to take it personally, to be outraged. it has to be an uncomfortable feeling like this is unacceptable. it's what we just saw in that clip before this. it's not made up. this isn't coming from nowhere. the weariness, the anger, it's not made up. just because i haven't done personally wrong doesn't mean i'm not part of the problem. i have to admit that. and so when i say act, i have to do my job the best way i know how. i have to slow down. i have to give my neighbors the benefit of the doubt, put their safety above mine. most police officers do that, but we see when they don't, and we should cover that. but if that's the way we change the profession is if we personally change. >> we have seen incidents where there have been officer involved shootings, somebody has died,
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and, you know, when you say the body camera footage, it's happened so quickly and it's often situations where it's split-second decision. one doesn't want officers not making split-second decisions because sometimes other lives may be lost in that balance. civilian lives, officers' lives. so there's a lot of focus, obviously, on training and what that may mean and what that may look like. is there something in training? chief ramsey was talking about some police departments don't teach even the history of policing, so that officers don't have a sense of what has occurred before in terms of relations between the police and the community, which probably leads to a lot of the mistrust that there is today. >> i agree. i mean, some issues are immediate, life or death. if someone has a life and they're trying to stab something, that's not the time
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for de-escalation. you might be able to say drop the knife twice while someone is getting stabbed. that's not what what i'm talking about. i can control what i can do, that's why slowing down. i agree with chief ramsey. knowing the history of policing in america, and it's an ugly history, but also not just that, but knowing your local community history because every community and neighborhood has hair own struggles. every family -- you can just -- there's a book in every neighborhood and it's incumbent upon a beat officer. you should know your beat. if you work for a city's police department, you should know that history. >> patrick skinner, i appreciate talking to you and what you wrote. i think it's important as a society we reflect on our own actions and thinking and i think it's valuable. thank you for what you do. coming up next, more breaking news and perhaps the best argument yet for getting
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getting sick, survivors had a greater risk death compared to people who had never been infected. even a mild infection was no guarantee against higher risk because the study has such potential importance, especially with vaccinations starting to taper off and people really chafing at further prevention measures. we're joined by dr. sanjay gupta and lina nguyen. sanjay, the study found patients who had covid has 20% greater chance of needing more medical care over the six months after their diagnosis as well as more medications. what is it about covid that could be causing this? >> well, i mean, anderson, first of all, i think you said it already, which is that you don't want to get this infection. you don't want this virus because we are learning more and more about it. predominantly that even though we refer to it as a respiratory virus, it affects every organ in the body.
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strokes, mental health, anxiety, and depression, metabolism, acute kidney injury, coagulation problems, lots of different problems. this virus seems to affect the body in ways that we just don't think of typical respiratory viruses. in the study they said let's compare this population of people with regard to flu. with flu, typically symptoms, while they may linger for a while, you don't see this degree-degree of morbidity six months out after someone's been infected. so, you know, we don't know. we're still learning a lot about this virus in terms of what it's doing exactly in the body. but one of the things the authors point out is that you got 30 million people confirmed to have had the infection. it could be double, triple that, you know, because we haven't tested all these people. and we have to think about the burgeoning health crisis this is going to cause for years to come as a result.
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people who even had mild symptoms that still have those symptoms really persist. >> dr. nguyen, we looked at records, obviously more needs to be learn about women and the long-term effects of covid as well as symptoms. are any therapeutics in the works to help people who are specifically suffering from these long-term health problems? >> well, i hope that there are. there's some studies ongoing, but, actually, the treatment options for people with long-haul covid are pretty limited basically to symptomatic treatment, meaning, if you have depression, you get anti-depressants. if you have kidney issues, you get treated for those specific issues. but there's some news that maybe the vaccine itself may reduce some of these symptoms of long-haul covid, which is really interesting. but i also think that there's a broader point here, which is the importance of vaccination, period. i'm hearing more and more people say, well, what's the big deal
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with covid? i'm not that old. i don't have underlying pr problems, i'm probably not going to die, but you could have lingering symptoms that last for many months that affect so many of your other body systems. that's the reason to get one of these vaccines that's safe, effective, and prevents these terrible long-term consequences from occurring. >> sanjay, there is some news tonight of another fatal blood clot potentially. we stress poten"potentially" li to the. >> yes, sir vaccine. involves a woman in her 50s who lived in oregon. to keep this in context, these events are very rare. i believe it was six initial incidents. this would be a seventh if it does bear out. the cdc's advisory community on immunization meets tomorrow to review more data on the j&j vaccine. how is this going to impact it? what do you expect to happen? >> well, you know, one thing to keep in mind is that part of the delay here was to see if there were more patients that would actually be found that developed
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these blood clots. we're not sure about this woman in oregon as of now, but i think the question they were trying to ask was was this finding a needle in a haystack or was that more of the tip of the iceberg? it's still rare, you know. maybe there's a couple more people who have developed this, but not significant numbers. don't know what they're going to recommend tomorrow as part of this advisory committee. it's likely, if you look at what happened in europe, europe medicine association agency, they basically said we're going to put a caution with this, but we're not going to say that certain people should take it or not take it. perhaps if you had a history of low platelets or blood clotting problems in the past, this caution would apply to you. but that's likely what's going to happen. i don't think they're going to get rid of the vaccine altogether. i don't think they're necessarily going to limit it to certain people either. >> dr. wen, one of the things when i talked to and interviewed
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people were stories who have long- lo long-hauler symptoms, eight months later are still in pain with a elevator of things, brain fog, covid fog as they call it, and other things. they're often told, well, it's in your head. there's some people who doubt that what they have is actually real, that it's just a symptom or syndrome. does this study kind of put the end to that? >> i think there's a lot of evidence that long-haul covid is real. i just think it's really challenging to know exactly how to define long-haul covid. let's say you're in the hospital for a pronged period of time. when you leave, you're deconditioned. it takes time to get all those things that went wrong with your body, with your kidneys potentially, with your gastrointestinal system, to get back on track. there are effects just from
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being very ill. but there are those people who were not that sick who had mild symptoms who still have overall body symptoms. that's what we really need to get more information about. and i also think we need better treatments in general. we also need treatments very critically to prevent these mild cases from becoming severe cases. and that kind of outpatient treatment is really not there right now. and i think a lot more research needs to go into not just the vaccines, which are fantastic that we have them, but also treatments for patients too. >> dr. wen, sanjay gupta -- >> one more thing. one thing the authors wrote in this paper, six months out, a lot of times doctors think this has nothing to do with a covid infection that you had, a mild one six months earlier. this is a reminder, i think, to clinicians and patients alike, look, if you had covid many months ago, pay attention to those symptoms down the line. >> you've been at cnn for 20 years, is that right? >> i have, yes. >> congratulations. that's amazing. that's so incredible.
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>> i know. it's no one thought i'd last this thing, so i appreciate the congratulations. >> you look as youthful as you did 20 years ago. of course my eyes have gotten so bad over the last 20 years, i might be wrong about that. sanjay, thank you. >> appreciate the caveat. next, the push for voting rights legislation, the push back and how stacey abrams played out during the hearings. >> tell me specifically, just give me a list of the provisions that you object to. >> i object to the provisions that remove access to the right to vote that shortened the federal runoff period from nine weeks to four weeks, restrict the time a voter can request and return an absentee ballot application -- >> slow down for me because our audio is not real good here. f i. vo: and these aren't just the jobs of tomorrow. they're the jobs of right now.
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a little preparation will make you and your family safer in an emergency. a week's worth of food and water, radio, flashlight, batteries and first aid kit are a good start to learn more, visit . as congress works on a police reform bill, democrats are pushing two voting rights bills, and democrats couldn't have asked for a better exchange during their hearing yesterday than this one between republican senator john kennedy and voting rights activist and former georgia state representative stacey abrams. it's quite remarkable, so we'll play a chunk of it here. >> tell me specifically -- just
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give me a list of the provisions that you object to. >> i object to the provisions that remove access to the right to vote, that shorten the federal runoff period from nine weeks to four weeks, restrict the time that a voter can request and return an absentee ballot application. >> slow down for me because our audio is not good here. >> it requires the voter have a photo identification or some other form of identification they're willing to surrender in order to participate in absentee ballot process. it eliminates over 300 hours of drop box availability. >> okay. what else? >> it bans nearly all out of precinct votes. >> bans what? i'm sorry? >> nearly all out-of-precinct votes. you get to a precinct and you're in line for four years and you get to the end of the line and you're not there between 5:00 and 7:00 p.m. >> okay, what else?
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>> -- and you have to start all over again. no, it is not. no, sir. it restricts the hours of operation because it now, under the guise of sending a guideline, it's occupational for counties that may not want to see expanded access as to the right to vote. they can now limit their hours instead of those hours being from 7:00 to 7:00, they're now from 9:00 to 5:00, which may have an affect on voters who cannot vote during business hours during early voting. it limits the -- >> okay, i get the idea. i get the idea. >> there was more. perspective from cory sellers. be a car are i, i don't know if senator kennedy my lawyer. i know there's a rule with lawyers or advice don't ask a question that you don't know the answer to. i don't know if he had any idea what was about to happen when he decided to challenge stacey
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abrams. if she knew about the laws in georgia, she certainly did. >> not only did she bring the receipts but her tone and tenor in the way she was able to rattle it off caught senator kennedy off guard. there was a larger point that we have to take time and if i had the opportunity to speak to senator kennedy, i would remind him people don't remember or understand what jim crow was in this country. senator kennedy and many others are expecting laws to say that blacks can't come here, can't vote here. but that's not the way that jim crow worked when it came to voting rights act. because of the 15th amendment, you couldn't ban people from the ballot box on their -- because of their race on its face. so you had these race-neutral laws that were passed that allowed states like georgia, alabama, mississippi, south carolina, et cetera, to prevent people of color from voting. that is what you're seeing and that's the litany of things that stacey abrams ran down for senator kennedy.
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as if people need to watch eyes on the prize again to understand when a, really, what jim crow was and how it is reflected in these georgia voting laws. >> so interesting. we were talking about police actions now and how history matters in understanding just adds charlie, what bakari pointed out about jim crow laws, it's so vital the law does not have to specifically say that it is targeting one particular group, which would be very obvious. but it can be supposedly race neutral and not be at all. >> well, anderson, let me just say this. i think the georgia legislature overreacted to the trump false narrative on the stolen election. they overreacted. by the same token, i think some of the opponents of the georgia law have overstated the case. i'm holding here a pennsylvania absentee ballot. we require a driver's license number, last four digits of your social security. georgia did the same thing.
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that's not a problem at all. they define something about business hours. they have no definition of business hours. they defined it as 9:00 to 5:00. it could be 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. they only removed the secretary of state from the election board. that was a punitive measure and i think that's the reason to oppose the law. but a lot of these provisions have been a bit overstated and frankly their laws are more liberal than pennsylvania or delaware for that matter. >> bakari, in the texas gop senator cornyn made the complaint many made as charlie said in democratically controlled states, but they're not targeted like georgia's law. new york and delaware have laws similar to georgia. why not -- what do you say to that argument? >> well, first of all, there's no excuse that the early voting is nonexistent in the state of new york. let's state that outright. a democratic state should have easier voting than the state of new york. i wish governor cuomo and he
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alexandria ocasio-cortez would make us think about the laws of new york and i agree with that. what my good friend congressman den man and others are not telling you is that the totality -- you can nitpick one thing or another. but the totality of the georgia law is something that's unseen. i guarantee you that in pennsylvania or colorado or delaware, don't limit the number of drop boxes from 93 as they were in this past election to 24 in the four largest black counties. i'm pretty sure that's something that doesn't happen. i'm pretty sure that in many areas when people have waited in line three or four hours to vote, they get to the front, usually they're allowed to cast a provisional ballot if they're in the wrong precinct. in georgia you can no longer do that. i'm pretty sure the democratically controlled or republican controlled legislatures in this area cannot take over voting boards like they can in georgia. yes, it is discriminatory. yes, it is reminiscent of jim
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crow and we have to be intellectually honest in those discussions. >> do you think as you said, may be bunetive in some cases you cited the removal of the georgia secretary of state may have unintended consequence that may hurt republicans? >> yeah, absolutely. a state i know better, pennsylvania, pennsylvania went to no excuse absentee balloting the first time. and they also removed straight ticket voting. republicans did extremely well in 2020 under that law. donald trump did that. he did badly because of his conduct in office primarily and his own mishandling of the coronavirus. that's why he lost, why republicans down ballot did well. the law helped republicans in enpennsylvania. they're talking about repealing the law. i don't think it would be a return to jim crow. it would be a return to the status quo and a huge detriment to republican candidates down ballot. thanks so much.
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given all the unsettling details that have come to light about the capitol insurrection, the story has the power to shock and surprise. the latest, california congresswoman zoe lofgren citing a previously undiscovered radio transmission of a capitol officer directing them to focus on anti-trump agitators and not the mob carrying out the attack. cnn's ryan nobles is at the capitol. how are the capitol police responding to the accusation? >> reporter: anderson, they're saying congresswoman lofgren is taking this out of context. if this was a transmission that was early on in the day at 8:00 in the morning and they were specifically calling out non-trump supporters because they were concerned about skirmishes between the growing group of trump supporters gathering around the capitol at that time, now, they say if you listen to the transmission throughout the day they call out the pro-trump demonstrators as
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well as. this doesn't tell the full story of what happened on january 6th. >> is there any movement tonight on a possible september 11-style commission to investigate exactly what occurred on january 6? >> reporter: anderson, i think this controversy crystallizes the need for this independent commission. and we do see some movement between republicans and democrats, but right now they're still at an impasse. nancy pelosi has offered up some changes to the 9/11 commission that would meet the republican standards. so far she hasn't conveyed them to republicans. right now they're still at an impasse. that's what many people want here, an independent commission that can answer some of these questions. >> ryan nobles, appreciate it. thank you very much. a lot to learn on that still about what exactly occurred on that day and whether or not there will be actually some sort of 9/11-style commission. that's it for us. thanks so much for watching. the news continues right now. let's hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. chris? >> anderson, appreciate it. how about that sanjay?
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>> what an incredible contribution. particularly this last year i feel like he's gotten a lot of us through some very, very difficult times. >> oh, absolutely. and i know you were obviously joking saying, hey, you've been here 20 years? when you and he are together on a story anywhere in the world, the humanity that's brought to bear and the relative acumen, obviously nobody's been in tough times more than you when it comes to coverage in our generation of journalists. and with his medical acumen, it is just an amazing combination and has been now for a long time. he's got some years on you here at cnn, but -- >> i'm getting close. >> take the discount. it's great to remind him and he also reminds the great work this place does, especially when you guys are side by side. it's nice to see him recognized. take care, my friend. good to see you. all right, i am chris cuomo and welcome to primetime. another policing story ends in a funeral. that means we have another chance to ask if