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the teen launching to another girl before she was shot. let's go out front. good evening, i am erin burnett. behind bars tonight, derek chauvin is kept biehind bars. this is an example of the cell chauvin is in. its got nothing more than a bench and a mattress pad, a toilet and a sink. camera is monitoring his movements and correctional officer is checking on him every half hour. he's facing 40.5 years behind bars. these are the officers responded to the call with chauvin. all three have been charged with aiding and abetting him on the day floyd died.
attorney general mayor garland will investigate. this push comes as top republicans say there may be room to compromise in the senate after the george floyd's policing act had justice in the house. sara sidner. you have more on what chauvin is facing tonight as well as the next legal steps from here? >> reporter: derek chauvin is being held in confinement 23 hours a day. the other hour is for him to exercise. everyone in the system maximum security prison in the state,
they know his story and for his safety, keeping him separate from the general population. he's 45 years old, he's again going to be about an hour from here, 45 minutes from here in the suburbs. that's where this maximum security prison is. we do also know that the judge has said sentencing will be in the next eight weeks so we expect to hear something from the court as to whether or not he'll be given the maximum sentence or not. we'll all have to wait and see about that. certainly chauvin is now in a position where he has to reflect on what he has been charged with and found guilty of. se second-degree murder and third-degree murder and man slaughter in the killing of george floyd. >> we'll be joined by floyd's family later. the range on sentencing here is broad. 12.5 years to 40 careers.
the prosecution alleged their aggregating factors that the violent here is excessive. that should push the judge to the higher end of that. the judge has to decide this. is there more information that'll go into the judge at this point or is this just sort of a he has to mull it over until we find out. >> reporter: during court, the judge talked about it blatantly. they're going to submit items to the court as to what the court should do in this case. this could also by the way, chauvin could have a jury for this particular part in the case, looking at mitigating factor and he declined to have a
jury. he wanted the judge to be the decider of this. he'll get information from the attorney and he'll maul it over. he's been there throughout the whole case. the judge has been stoic and he's been clear with the jury and everyone in the court. he does not let anyone get away with anything that he thinks is inappropriate. he obviously is taking it seriously and so he'll look over what is submitted to him by both sides of this case and make his decision. one like you said to be 12 or 40 years depending on what he thinks is appropriate. erin. >> thank you very much, sara sidner in minneapolis. democratic hakeem jeffery, i appreciate you being with me, chair. where do we go from here? chauvin is convicted and we don't know the sentence and we
don't know what happens to the other officers. what needs to happen now in order for there to be real change going forward. >> people all throughout america stood up and spoke up and showed up in the after math of the murder of george floyd throughout the streets of this country, young people of every race in a way that was mu multi-cultural and generational as it emerged. it was a phenomenal thing to see. there were two things folks were demanding. one, accountability for the death of george floyd and the verdict delivers a significant measure of accountability. now we have to see what happens with three other officers who should have intervened but did
not. they also ask we change policing in a fundamental way so that there is a respectful and dignify and humane manner. that's what we are working on right now. >> tim scott has been working with cory booker. it is a police reform bill. one sticking point has been qualifying issue for police which makes it harder for victims to file lawsuits. republicans say it is going to prevent people from serving as police officers. today senator scott says he's proposing shifting the burden of responsibilities from individual officers to police department. so it is a compromise of sorts. do you think it will work and get this bill through? >> i have not seen the
particular language yet that senator scott is floating or talked to congresswoman karen bass or members of the congressional black caucus. we are committed to getting something done. but it has to ensure there is accountability for police officers who cross the line moving forward both on the criminal side and on the civil side and perhaps most importantly is that we stop these tragedies from happening to begin with. now, that's going to be an important part of the legislation that we hopefully agreed upon and sent to biden's desk. we have to criminalize the choke holds and other tactics such as the knee to the neck. we have to change the standard
for use of force and make one that's put to place nationally so that the use of deadly force is a matter of last resort and deescalation tactics are required in the first instance. that's something i think we can do. we need a national database so that police officers who have been brutal and violent can't jump from one police department to another without any vis visi visibility. that's what happened with tamara rice's case. >> it is a checker board across the country. yesterday democrats in the house voted down an effort by the house minority kevin mccarthy to sensor maxine waters over her
comments over the derek chauvin's trial. she said it was first-degree murder which was not a charge. let's put aside politics a m moment, the judge in the trial says waters' words could be used to overturn the verdict. >> that was inappropriate statement by the judge and i was actually shocked that he said it because there was nothing that congresswoman waters said that was out of bound or inappropriate. she was leaning into language that had been used by dr. martin luther king jr. when he talked about the importance of confrontation and it was meant non-violent direct action to
confront bigotry, hatred and injustice. that was the spirit of what chairwoman waters was saying. she clarified and made it clear there after. i was surprised that the judge saw fit to both deny appropriately the motion for a mistrial but characterized her remarks. >> it is interesting what you are saying. the context is really important. do you think it is appropriate that she came out and said not as a member of the jury but as an elected person that she thinks it is 1st degree murder? >> i didn't hear that comment being made. the jury found murder took place and when you have a knee to someone's neck in that fashion when the individual was handcuffed and not resisting, the people who i gather are basically saying you are going to kill this individual, george
floyd, and the officer continued in a cold-blooded fashion. yes, that's murder. the jury found it is second-degree or third-degree murder. i don't think it is inconsistent with the spirit of what chairwoman waters trying to say. my colleagues on the other side of the isle really have no moral standing to criticize anything that any of us have to say when we are on the side of trying to elevate and lift up of principle and equal protection under the law. at the same time they are fanning the flames of hatred, continuing on the big lie which is fuelling the attack on the capitol. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time.
out front now kamu bell. after george floyd was killed, it did not happen. now you have this verdict and momentum. do you see real change coming from congress? real specific change coming from congress any time soon? >> i mean it is not breaking news that congress is a mess and that congress still has not confronted its members of what happened on january 6th, then how members excuse that. i don't think we'll look to congress for change. we have to look to each other for change. the reason why derek chauvin ended up serving the trial because people came together and said this is wrong. it is not about looking to congress. we have to put pressure on them so they'll do the right thing
but we can't sit back and hope that they did the right thing. >> with the vice president and president said was powerful. i wanted to play specifically what vice president harris said to you. here she is. >> black americans and black men in particular have been treated throughout the course of our history as less than human. black men are fathers, brothers and sons, and uncles and grandfathers, and friends, and neighbors. their lives must be valued in our education system and healthcare system and economic system, in our criminal justice system and in our nation, full stop. >> so she listed their lives
must be valued and education, and house care housing and economic justice. she put criminal justice as one part and listed it black, to make a point of all the other important things that have to be addressed here. right now on the narrow conversation frankly are again - do our elected leaders focus enough on these other issues? >> i appreciate what she said. she made to defund police there. so i think that's what we have to talk about. either what we are saying in this country right now is this is how we want policing to work
or if we say the system is working. if the system is broken, we have to tear it down and rebuild it completely. policing in this country came from slave catching. it came from policing black body, black men and black women. that's what is the whole thing is built on and until this day. >> do you see the chauvin's trial as a turning point or are you concerned it is a one-off because it is so agregregious? >> i guess i am getting old, i lived through oj simpson and rodney king. we thought things were going to changed. we can't look at that as some sort of sea change until the sea actual changes.
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you can see multiple angles. the video that you will see is very disturbing. jason carol is out front. >> hey, what's going on? hey, hey. get down, get down. >> reporter: it all happened in seconds. a police officer opened fire killing the 16-years-old, bryant, as she lunged to someone with a knife. >> city officials also released extended body camera footage of the officer who shot bryant. as seen on his body cam video,
he runs towards the group in a drive way of a home. that's when bryant moves towards another person apparently pushing her to the ground. the officer shouts to get down several times. >> reporter: police released this slow down version of the body camera footage as well. it shows what appears to be a knife in bryant's hand as she races towards the person wearing pink. bryant appears to lunged towards the two officers. >> bottom line, did bryant need to die yesterday? how did we get here? this is as failure on part of
our community? all of us are responsible. >> reporter: bryant was in foster care, her mother spoke to the tv station. >> she was a very loving, peaceful, little girl. she promoted peace. >> say her name. >> reporter: protesters took to the street to voice their outrage. the city's interim police chief promised a thorough investigation is being k conducted. >> a 16-years-old girl lost here life yesterday. >> reporter: erin, there has been a lot of questions about whether or not that officer should have used a taser rather than his gun.
police were asked about it late today, according to the policy, officers is allowed to use deadly force to stop an assault from taken place. this will all be part of the investigation and independent investigation is now underway. that officer in question has been taken off street duty pending the outcome of that investigation, meanwhile there is going to be a vigil for the bryant's family taken place any moment now. >> thank you, i want to go to isaiah mckinnon, thank you for being back with me, sorry it is under these circumstances. here we are looking at another death of a human being on tape. i do want to show you to understand that i think what the mayor was saying, everyone is accountable, some are guilty. let me show a slow-down version of the video, i know you had a chance to watch it. what's your reaction to it?
>> police officers are sworn to protect all lives especially when you see extremely dangerous or imminent threats to themselves or their partners. this is one of the situations where you are either dammed if you do or you are dammed if you don't. the officer who shot could have shot the other person, too. we were always taught to use extreme caution when you are f firing. we don't know what's in the officer's mind when he took the shot. i mentioned of the extreme danger and imminent threat. maybe twhhat's what he threat. you have to go through all the possibilities and what happens if both women or girls were shot, they're both are dead.
it is a difficult situation. >> very difficult and as you point out, we don't know what he was thinking and i think one thing we know from this is it all transpired in seconds but obviously or perhaps he saw, the next person was going to be stabbed but he was saving somebody, right? i understand that as well. let me ask you one thing, you do point outs the four shots. it appears that the officer had a taser as well. what did you think about that? is there any reason why he should have reached for the taser? i know you said you are authorized to use deadly force if someone's life is in danger. however, would you have used the taser instead? >> well, again, i would not have shot. what i would have done is try to
tackle the young woman or something even though she had the knife in her hand. once you make that decision to shoot, you can't pull it back. the taser if you hit that person and you stop them, yes. but, you have that split seconds situation where the officer made that decision to shoot and in essence there were multiple people that were in danger. think about what happened if the other young lady had been killed also. again, i am not there and i am sorry for everyone that's involved in this. in reality, this is a difficult situation. >> i think one thing i am hearing from you, chief, as we talk about all these reforms and things that need to happen. you do have to realize that people are making split decisions and in instantaneous
moment. they're trying to do the right thing. let me ask you what lebron james said, he addressed the shooting. he has now deleted this tweet. he felt it was appropriate. he originally wrote, you're next, accountability and he put that with an image of an officer at the scene of bryant's shooting. that was the tweet. we reached out to james for comment in the environment we with in. do these sorts of tweets of people of great authority or elected officials, do they concern you? >> it always concerns me when someone makes something that may lead to more turmoil. i am assuming that lebron james is thinking of what happened yesterday in terms of the child
and saying the same thing may happen to this officer. we have to look at everything en entirely. we look at what this officer was doing, assuming he was saving a life and protecting a life of one person when he took the life of another person. let's consider everything that's involved. as i said before, i would not have done that but that's me. i dho i chose to use a different approach for these kinds of situations. so much of the kind of people, with law enforcement, what's in the back of their mind? >> thank you very much. chief, i appreciate it. >> thank you so much, erin. next, derek chauvin facing up to 40 years in prison.
new tonight the max, george floyd's brother told us. >> totally the max. you know the max because he did the maximum killing to my brother when he put his knee on his neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. i love my brother and i would never get him back. my brother is doing his time on the ground now so he needs to do his time in the cell. >> thomas lane, jay alexander
king. i appreciate you're being back with me, tony. any sentencing for chauvin of the calthree charges will be sed concurrently which means at the same time. you are looking at maximum sentencing for second-degree is 40 years. what do you think isr realistic? >> certainly we know this. at the end of the trial that the judge went through something with derek chauvin where he waived his rights. derek chauvin told the judge that he wants him to listen to
the aggravated circumstances so certainly we know that he committed a crime in front of children. that is an aggravated circumstance. to be determined what the maximum amount will be for derek chauvin and hopefully it is a max. he committed a murder and we can call it that now. once he was on the scene it was intentional. he knew he was killing george. so certainly we want to see the maximum sentence. >> the other three officers, thomas lane, jay alexander king and tao, they'll all go to trial. they faced charges of aiding and abetting. what do you think it means for them? >> it can't look good for them. we know they play as much of a
role in this murder as derek chauvin. failing to intervene is a serious charge. they knew that derek chauvin was killing george and they didn't do anything to stop it. so, if i were those three defendants, i would be concerned. i certainly going to leveave itp to the defense attorney to do what's best but i would have serious concerns about this trial. >> let me ask you about daunte wright, the 20-years-old black man who was shot and killed after being pulled over in brooklyn center in minnesota, i know tomorrow is his funeral and obviously you are representing his family. former officer kim potter has been charged with second-degree man slaughter. she mistook her gun for a taser and dyou did hear her screaming
in the tape. do you see these cases as the same? should people be thinking that chauvin's verdict means something specifically for the daunte wright's case? >> what the floyd's verdict means for daunte wright is this, there is now accountability for police officer actions. they can't act with impunity. nowhere should police officers can act with impunity. they will be held accountable the. police officers should be held accountable and further actions whether it is intentional or negligence actions or such as the involuntary man slaughter. that's where they are the same. >> tony, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, erin, good night.
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they have been silenced by the bill. your husband is a long time employee of home depot, you were saying that your family would be impacted. >> my concern with boycott and not just at home depot but 30 or 500 companies in atlanta is you will impact families like ours. there is a more effective way for us to get the necessary change that's needed in the state. for one, we can show up and vote next year for all of the statewide offices that'll be on the ballot but also we can give our support and companies can give their support to the legislation that's penning before congress. it may not solve all of our issues but it will address many of them. >> you know a lot about what's
happening at the federal level, not just in your state level but also across the country because mayor, you are the in charge of voter protection. it is not just in georgia. there are 361 bills that's introduced in 47 states. this is according to the left, this is they're tracking the bills on the docket. montana passed the bill that had some restrictions in it and arizona. when you say in georgia, but also push forward at the federal level. how significant will that federal voting rights bill be when you have 47 states doing their own thing the other direction? i think any time you have the federal government speaking with a unified voice on what the very
basic standards for voting should be, at least as it relates to federal elections, that addresses many of the challenges that we will have in georgia and, you know, i was with ambassador young earlier today. we was at a ribbon cutting where an apartment complex on the west side of atlanta was redeveloped, many of these corporations contributed to that redevelopment. so they have a real impact in our communities in addition to the thousands of people who work for them. so i think that our best chance right now is federal legislation but certainly still pressing forward and making changes come election year in states across this country. >> all right. well, i appreciate your time, as always. thank you. >> thank you. next, the doj investigating the minneapolis police department. one thing specifically that they may be looking at is why the discrepancy between the initial police press release on george floyd's death and what we all
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tonight, the justice department investigating the minneapolis police department. the probe 24 hours after derek chauvin was convicted of murdering george floyd. sara sidner is "outfront". >> find the defendant guilty. >> reporter: a day after a jury found former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin guilty of murdering george floyd, the department of justice announces it has set sights on the minneapolis police department. >> today, i am announcing that the justice department has opened a civil investigation to determine whether the minneapolis police department engages in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing. >> no detail is too small. officials familiar with the investigation tell cnn one of the titems it may look into is the npd press release saying floyd had a medical emergency and what really happened. the head of the minnesota justice collision says they have been asking federal officials for a federal pattern and
practices investigation for years while he and several other rights groups welcome it, he says it is terribly unfortunate that it took the slow motion murder of floyd to propel it forward. >> this case is significant in the sense that it brought the reality of what black and brown people face into the living rooms of america. this is the same thing that happened when the mark happened over the bridge when the reality of what black people were facing was brought into the living rooms of america and that spawned a lit niny of legislati. >> reporter: in a cnn analysis of data after floyd's death, the department reported using force on far fewer people, but then, the use of force spiked late last year and black people are still subject to the use of force by minneapolis police officers at a highly disproportionate rate. the analysis found between 2008 and may 25th, 2020 when chauvin murdered floyd, 64.6% of people
who police used force on were black. since floyd's death, 62.6% were black. in a city that's 19% black. according to u.s. census records. that comes as no surprise to allen. allen is a founder of family supporting families against police violence. >> for every high profile case that down hear about, there is hundreds -- there is 100 bodies behind that high profile case. >> reporter: there are a few other cases that have made national headlines here. in 2015 npd officers fatally shot 24-year-old clark in the head while he was handcuffed. in 2018, therman was killed by police during a foot chase as he begged please don't shoot me, leave me alone. alle they say their issue with the investigation is they want it to cover more police departments across minnesota, not just minneapolis.
>> the highest, the biggest profile cases in history have come from the statement of minnesota. philando ka castillo, george fl, daunte wright, the biggest ones in history have come from this state so it is clear it is a problem here in the state of minnesota. >> so sara, there is the federal investigation by i understand that's not the only one right now into the police department? >> yeah, that's right. the new civil federal investigation one is one thing but separate and apart from the criminal investigation into the death of george floyd at the hands of a minneapolis police officer who has been fired and now convicted of murder in his death. erin? >> sara, thank you very much. and thanks very much to all of you for joining us. you can always watch "outfront" any time anywhere.
in the meantime, anderson and "ac 360" begin right now. and good evening. we begin tonight with the picture that to many will look like justice. former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin's booking photo released today wearing orange, not fblue. he's separated for his safety at a maximum prison security waiting for sentencing. it's neither the final word in his story nor certainly in the larger one. there will be sentencing in june for him. the trial with three other officers in august and now this. >> today, i am announcing that the justice department opened a civil incest gvestigation to dee whether the minneapolis police department engages in a practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing