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picks up our coverage right now. hello, i'm ana cabrera in new york, thank you for being with us. happening right now, deliberations are under way for a second day in the derek chauvin trial. 12 jurors are now deciding the fate of the former minneapolis police officer charged in the death of george floyd and cities across the country are on edge, bracing for potential protests, and civil unrest. just hours after jury deliberations began, hundreds of peaceful protesters marched through downtown minneapolis yesterday. many businesses in the twin cities have already shut down and boarded up windows, minnesota's governor declaring a state of emergency in counties around minneapolis, even calling in additional police from other states. and thousands of national guard troops are now deployed to the downtown area. president biden weighing in just last hour.
>> they're a good family and they're calling for peace and tranquility, no matter what that verdict is. i'm praying the verdict is the right verdict. >> for the very latest let's bring in cnn's sara sidner in minneapolis for us. what more do we know about the deliberations right now and the situation in minneapolis, as that city is bracing for a verdict? >> reporter: yeah, you know the jury's been going for about seven hours now. they did four yesterday and about three today so far we haven't heard any questions from the jury. we will know if they do ask questions, they'll be doing that over zoom and then the court will respond with an answer. i just want to give you a look at the scene. this is the court -- the government building, the hennepin government building where the court is and you'll notice all of the security that's been here for weeks. this is not new for today. this has been here for weeks. but i do also want to give you a look at the square. if you look down there you'll see george floyd's name all over the city of minneapolis.
you'll see that 9:29 and that is the number of minutes that former officer derek chauvin was on his neck and we heard that over and over and over again from the prosecution. the other thing you will see in this city, if there are protests or not, is these group of gentlemen. they have been out here, and are from here, and have been in the community from day one, and before george floyd, and before the protests, they have been doing work here. they're with we push for peace, tell me a little bit about the work that you are doing because the city has come to some of the community folks and said how can you help us? are you happy about that? what is it that you will be able to do, you think, as these things happen and as the jury starts coming back with its verdict? >> thanks for having me, first of all, sara, i really appreciate it. yes, we have been out here before these incidents that has occurred. and our narrative is pretty simple. we can protest and let our
voices be heard without being destructive. right? and yes, we are at the table. that's where change starts to happen. some of these policies and procedures in which the police department work under, some of them need to change. and the fact that they allowed us to be at the table and they're asking for our opinions in regards to what that looks like is a huge step in the right direction. >> trahern, thank you, i met him during the protests, right after george floyd case went viral, the video went viral, may 27th. he was outside the third precinct and he was telling people that we can protest but let's do it peacefully. and his voice rang out very strongly but in the nightfall folks just decided that they couldn't take it anymore and they exploded. but they have been out here doing the work and the city is relying on folks like we push for peace to try and get things into a scenario where things are calmer and that they have people to go to to talk about their
rage and their frustration and sorrow. but lastly i just want to give you a full view of the scene here because on the other side of this fence there are -- there's sort of writing, graffiti, protest things that are going on, a small protest, have been there, by the way, every day. since this trial started. we have also seen hundreds of people in the streets yesterday. and we expect to see that over and over and over again as everyone waits for the jury to come back with this decision. >> i know, it feels like everybody is holding a collective breath right now. thank you, sara sidner, for your excellent reporting. >> reporter: sure. joining us now cnn legal analyst elie honig. walk us through the charges this jury is currently deliberating. >> the jury is deliberating three different charges, the top charge is murder in the second degree. what that means is that derek cha chauvin intentionally assaulted george floyd, didn't mean to kill him, assaulted him causing
his death. reckless indifference to human life. took wildly dangerous actions, the bottom charge is manslaughter. that carries a ten-year maximum sentence, that means chauvin acted negligently, creating an undue risk to george floyd, important to keep in mind, the jury will be voting on each of these charges separately, they can choose to convict on all three, some of the three, or none of the three. >> so how do these jurors go about their deliberations? i think a lot of people are wondering, how can they get 12 people to agree on such a controversial, hotly contested issue? >> perfectly legitimate and smart question to ask. so first of all, yesterday the judge gave the jury detailed instructions about what they're supposed to do. but today the jury is completely on their own. different juries deliberate in different ways. some go count by count, some go element by element. some go witness by witness. but you wernd naturally, how you
can ever get 12 people to agree on anything. but there are safeguards in place. the judge instructed the jury yesterday, you are to keep an open mind, you are to consider other people's points of view. you are to work collaboratively so there's a lot of institutional forces pushing a jury towards a verdict. also, sometimes juries compromise. if they can't quite agree they can say how about we convict on one count and find not guilty on another to reach a resolution. >> i've been waiting to see an email saying the jury just sent a note. we know that happens in most cases, it seems, at least the high profile ones that i've covered. what can those notes show us about where the jury is in deliberations and are you surprised there haven't been any notes so far? >> we're all waiting on that email, the automatic alerts from the minnesota courts that i think we're all signed out for. notes can be a tricky game, different juries interpret their note writing ability differently. some come to the judge
constantly, foror five notes in an our. or other cases where the jury had not a single note. after days of deliberation, the only thing we hear from this is we have a verdict. the most common thing is the legal instructions. a very common question is, what exactly is reasonable doubt? what does that mean? it's hard to interpret that. that could sound like they're about to find guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. that could find like -- sound like maybe they're about to acquit because they have reasonable doubt. so we'll be watching carefully for those notes and we'll do our best to interpret them. >> i want to ask you about an unusual exchange in court yesterday between the judge and the defense, which asked for a mistrial because of statements made by democratic congresswoman maxine waters during a protest in minneapolis over the weekend. here's part of what she said. >> i hope that we're going to get a verdict that says guilty, guilty, guilty. and if we don't, we cannot go away. we've got to stay on the street. and we've got to get more
active. we've got to get more confrontational. we've got to make sure that they know that we mean business. >> we've got to get more confrontational. a lot of people grabbed onto that, republicans in particular, criticizing those comments saying she was inciting violence. the judge denied the motion for mistrial but said those comments may have given the defense grounds for an appeal that could overturn the verdict. what's your reaction to what the judge said, and do you think waters' comments are ground for an appeal in this case? >> whenever judges rule against defendants in criminal trials it is very common for them to say, look, i know you don't like this ruling, you can raise it on appeal. i see next to no chance in this resulting in any sort of reversal of a conviction. >> elie honig, as always, thank you, sir. >> thanks, ana. and perspective from people who live and work in the twin cities. ken mccraw lee owns several businesses and steve kramer is the president and ceo of the minneapolis downtown council. thank you, gentlemen, both for being with us. ken, let me start with you.
what's going through your mind right now as this jury deliberates derek chauvin's fate? >> well, you know, i want a peaceful resolution. i want to make sure -- we all saw the video, we all believe there was a murder that happened but i just want to make sure that our city is safe, that the businesses and the workers, you know especially mine, you know, are able to get back in court through the city and have a peaceful outcome. >> tell us about what happened with your businesses, because i understand there was damage after the death of george floyd when that sparked initial unrest in the city. what happened for you and what are your concerns? >> well, there wasn't any police presence, and, you know, those weeks, you know, after the unrest. and the back of my warehouse where my construction company is, the gates were pulled out. vans were stolen. and equipment was stolen. now since that time there is a police presence, and we're
hoping that there are peaceful protests and we can move forward. >> steve, i know you represent a number of businesses in the downtown district there. give us a sense of how some of these other businesses may be feeling right now and are preparing for potential unrest. >> well, thank you, ana. i think the first thing to say is that all of us in the twin cities recognize that we are here because of the killing of george floyd, the most recent heartbreaking death of daunte wright and we can never forget that's why we're here but we are here. and so we are being prepared for, you know, whatever might come. there's a program called operation safety net that's been planned for months now that's in place throughout our city, downtown and elsewhere. and it really is focused on, you know, making sure that the trial is -- proceeds -- that protest is honored and that's important and it's been happening consistently for weeks now but then also as ken suggested that businesses can continue, people have access to their livelihood, access to goods and services and that's important, too, at this
critical moment. so we are prepared. we are hoping for the best. hoping for a just outcome to this trial as the community sees it but prepared for other consequences if they come our way. >> ken, we have heard about a growing police presence. we know at least 3,000 national guard members have been activated in the twin cities area police officers from out of state have also been brought in to assist. can you paint the picture for us, in terms of what you're seeing on the streets right now? >> yeah. there's -- there's a military presence at all the place where there was big unrest. you know, chicago avenue and lake street. near the target on lake street. and the north side. so there's, you know, police and the national guard is a little bit of everywhere. so i guess there's 3,000, you know, national guard, you know, throughout the twin cities here. you know, my hope is, is that it doesn't make, you know, things
worse. i'm hoping for the best. i hope that after, you know, this part is over, that we still can kind of keep an eye on that -- there's a reason for this unrest. you know, whether it be people of color. you know, or the businesses, that we kind of move forward and make those changes. but legislatively, or, you know, the particular businesses that -- where people of color actually have a voice. i hope there's no violence but i hope we can keep the conversation going and we can move past this. >> yes, absolutely all around to what you just said. have you had to board up your businesses in terms of preparing for potential violence? because you had previously experienced obviously damage at your business. or is that something you're not as worried about this time around because there's such a large police presence? >> oh, of course.
you know, we -- we're right in the epicenter. we boarded up our business. and, you know, we're hoping for the best. you know. we're still in business to make money. we're for profit, and we want to make sure that after this is over we can go back to some sense of normalcy. >> steve, how do you view this trial and what it means, not just for businesses in the immediate aftermath, but what it really means for your community? >> well, it's a seminal event for our community. we've experienced nothing like this before. it's causing us to re-examine all of the underlying factors that led to the rage we saw in the aftermath of the killing of george floyd and we need to do better as a community. having said that, i think it's also important to recognize that this trial is occurring within a year of the incident. the officers were fired
immediately. charges were brought quickly. i don't think you can point to another community where that kind of accountability has been in place. i am hoping that that, along with the crumbling of the blue wall of silence as many people have commented through this trial will mark a turning point not only for our community but for the nation as a whole and we can look back on this traumatic event and say things began to change here in the minneapolis for the entire country. >> steve kramer and ken mccraley, thank you for sharing your time with us. breaking news we're following this afternoon, a manhunt under way after a shooter opened fire at a long island, new york grocery store. we have new information just ahead. stay with us. together. my garden is my therapy. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com. when you earn a degree with university of phoenix, we support you with career coaching for life.
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breaking news out of new york, a shooting at a long island grocery store, officials say at least one person is ted, two others injured. this is the scene outside the stop and shop in west hempstead, police say the shooter is still on the run. let's get to cnn's brynn gingras. >> reporter: they're in long island, a suburb of new york city. the shooting happened inside the grocery store. they're still looking for the person of interest who they believe is the suspect because that person fled the scene with a handgun still on them. now, this happened late this morning. inside the grocery store in the second floor, in a manager's office, police tell us the police commissioner, in fact, there in nassau county told us 49-year-old employee of stop and shop was killed, there are three others who were shot, two of them went to the hospital and there is a hospital nearby. so thank goodness for that.
and this suspect gabriel dewitt wilson, a 30-year-old, is still on the run. i want you to hear more about this person of interest the police commissioner talked about in a news conference earlier this morning. >> he's wearing a black baseball hat, a back sweatshirt, and he was last seen westbound here on the turnpike, you call 911. always call 911. let us do our job. we have our officers out and about in the areas now. he did have a small handgun. that is what the witnesses have given to us and again we're out there looking for him now. >> yeah, in fact, they have more than 150 officers on the ground in that neighborhood, in some other neighborhoods surrounding there, looking for wilson. and essentially we know that schools in that area have also been shut down, ana, as this manhunt continues. at the time of the shooting inside the grocery store we're told several hundred people were actually shopping for their groceries. terrifying incident. still unfolding, still being
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remember early in the pandemic when we couldn't find hand sanitizer for disinfectant wipes anywhere? it turns out there's not a big risk of the virus spreading on surfaces. the cdc says the risk of surface transmission is low. since the virus is transmitted primarily through the air. that's why social distancing and mask wearing is so important. but there are new polls right now showing americans aren't practicing the mitigation measures like staying home or wearing masks as much as before. cnn's senior political writer
harry antin is with us. >> there was a new poll out today and it showed the concern americans have for the coronavirus, 47% are extremely or very concerned. that's the lowest since march of 2020. and you see this lessening concern through the actions that people are taking. so, you know, you spoke about that, mask wearing, going out to dinner, what we see on these different measures, not social distancing, look at this, they're all at their highest levels since either march of 2020, april of 2020, or july of 2020, so americans are less concerned, and their actions are showing that they're less concerned, ana. >> there were some concerns that this pause in the rollout of the johnson & johnson vaccine could affect people's willingness to get any vaccine. are we seeing that happen? >> we're not. we're not. in fact, what we see, in terms of people saying either they've gotten the virus or will get it as soon as possible. it is the highest number ever
recorded by axios, we're not seeing those concerns so far, ana. >> that is good news. what about vaccine hesitancy in terms of what we're looking at nationally, are there any trends that you can make us aware of? >> look, the one thing that i will point out is that at this point, my chief concern about, is that we've gotten so many people right now, over 50% of those 18 years and older say that they have, in fact, gotten the vaccine and so my concern now are those groups that perhaps are vaccine hesitant. we have to reach out to those folks. if we don't, we may run into a wall. >> thank you so much, harry, appreciate you breaking it down for us. let's turn to jorge rodriguez, a board certified internal medicine specialist. let's address harry's reporting given where our country stands with vaccinations, let's go through mitigation measures, if you are vaccinated, can you stop wearing a mask? >> no. if you're vaccinated, you are protecting yourself, and you probably won't get sick but we don't know how long the virus is
going to live in your respiratory system after you catch it. so therefore you are potentially contagious to others if you're vaccinated you should still wear a mask. >> what about gathering in groups? what should be the rule of thumb at this point? >> well, the rule of thumb is that if you're vaccinated, you can gather with other people that are vaccinated. the big question is, how many people, is that eight people or 10,000 people at a stadium? if you are vaccinated, you can also, according to the cdc, gather with people that are unvaccinated, but at low risk, meaning usually younger people, so the rule of thumb is, vaccinated with vaccinated at this time. >> and is it safe to go out to eat? >> well, i did on friday. i think that you need to, "a," be vaccinated. both of us, my partner and i are vaccinated. we went out to eat. we went to a restaurant that followed six protocol. everybody was at least six feet apart. all of the health staff wore gloves and masks. the only thing they didn't do is they didn't have their menu that
virtual sort of form. we did have to handle, you know, the menus, but i think it is relatively safe if you're vaccinated. >> you know, that's perfect for my next question, because the cdc just put out this new guidance saying surfaces, those menus you're touching are not the big risk for spreading coronavirus. how significant is that? >> well, that is significant because i think people were sometimes overdoing what they were spraying and, again, this does not mean that science is wrong. this means that we are learning as we go along. where you really need to pay attention is if you don't know the person, for example, who you're with that's touching something, clean that. if someone in your household is sick, clean the surfaces. but otherwise cleaning every package that arrives to your house is probably not necessary. >> and, of course, we still gotta keep washing our hands. that hasn't gone away. the white house is trying this media blitz this week to combat vaccine hesitancy but we know a
lot of the polls have shown a large number of republicans are among those who don't want to get vaccinated. how do you think the biden administration can break through with that group? >> i think the first thing we need to do is not continue to separate people into our political beliefs. that's served us very poorly in the last administration. but what people need to know is that the vaccine doesn't care if you're republican or a democrat. right now the people that are greatest danger of contracting the virus are the people that have not been vaccinated because, guess what? the virus can't infect those people that have been vaccinated. guess who is left for them to vaccinate? there are bigger variants that are more contagious and the right thing is -- and the picking is right for those that are not vaccinated. if you're not vaccinated you're at greatest risk right now. >> i spoke to a doctor in michigan a few days ago who talked about how it's the younger demographic that is showing up more and more in the hospital with very serious infections, proof that even those lower risk groups aren't completely, you know --
>> immune. >> invisible or immune to this. i also have to ask about, you know, children, because clearly children are a big part of the population but they haven't been, you know, eligible for vaccines at this point unless you're 16 and older. do you think children will need to be vaccinated before we reach herd immunity? >> i do. i absolutely do. i think that children, you know, have been spared the brunt of this because there have been probably more feeble people in the population but i think almost every expert realizes that we need to -- you know, to vaccinate the whole population and we are seeing younger people, children, getting more diseases, more illnesses due to covid. so yes, i do think the children are going to need to be vaccinated. >> dr. fauci said this weekend he's hoping by 2022, at the latest, early 2022 is when children will be getting those vaccines. thank you so much, dr.
rodriguez, appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> today the country is paying tribute to former vice president walter mondale who died at the age of 93. known as fritz. he was the son of a methodist preacher. he served 12 years in the senate. he was elected vice president alongside jimmy carter who honored his vice president overnight saying in a statement during our administration fritz used his political skill and personal integrity to transform the vice presidency into a dynamic policy driving force that had never been seen before, and still exists today. in 1984 mondale won the democratic presidential nomination, he was the first presidential nominee to name a woman, gerald jineferrero. and this, republicans outraged over congresswoman maxine waters' call for
as the nation waits for the verdict in the derek chauvin trial, facebook -- the social media giant will remove any posts that may contain misinformation or hate speech related to the trial and could lead to civil unrest or violence. brian -- the anchor of reliable sources on cnn, what are you learning about why facebook is taking action? >> well, certainly facebook is wary of being blamed. they're fearful that they will partly be at fault if there is unrest in the coming days. the company saying it's taking this action in a number of ways. here's the statement from facebook executive monica bickert, we know this trial has been painful for many people and we want to strike a balance between allowing people to speak about the trial and what the verdict means while doing our part to protect everyone's safety. we will allow people to critique and discuss the trial, any calls
to bring arms, to bring weapons to minneapolis, for example, will be removed by facebook. so this does show you that when facebook believes something is deserving of more attention they take action. they try to clean up the poison on their platform. that begs the question, why don't they take these actions more often? they did this around the election, around the pandemic and now they're identifying minneapolis and the verdict as another area of real focus by the company. >> it does seem like they're starting to do more of it and taking more a/cs. there have been a number of legal analysts and experts saying the video has been the star witness in this trial. if not for the video, brian, not only the bystander video but also police body cam, the dash cam, surveillance videos, i just wonder if he'd be here. what kind of impact do you think video has had in this country's racial reckoning and conversation around policing. >> it will be studied for
decades to come, the idea that now thanks to video in your pocket, and on the surveillance cameras and body cameras, death is witnessed at all angles. and these incidents, these tragedies become nationalized and internationalized whereas before this might have been a story only in minneapolis, now the whole world knows the names george floyd and derek chauvin. video is the "x" factor. it's also important to recognize when we head into the verdict, the media coverage of this story reflects the polarized nature of this country. fox news, for example, paid a lot less attention to the trial than cnn or msnbc or other channels did. some people may be surprised by certain verdicts if they weren't paying attention or if they only heard the side of the story that they wanted to hear. it's very much a red news, blue news situation, ana. >> good point, thank you, brian. >> thanks. republicans slamming congresswoman maxine waters for calling on protesters to get
more confrontational if they don't like the outcome of the derek chauvin murder trial. house minority leader kevin mccarthy called these comments dangerous. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also jumped? >> to inform local leaders, not so subtly that this defendant had better be found guilty or else there will be big trouble in the streets. >> waters claims she was not calling for violence. that her words were intended in the spirit of the civil rights movement. but this kind of rhetoric has come from the other side of the aisle as well. >> and we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> let's have trial by combat. >> if you're going to be the zero and not the hero, we're coming for you. >> have come backbone, show some
fight, learn from donald trump, we need to march on the capitol today. >> today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. >> that was republican congressman mo brooks at the end there, but no gop calls for his censure. cnn chief political analyst gloria borger is with us now. all political leaders on both sides of the aisle should choose their words carefully. >> sure. >> and we're learning now kevin mccarthy is planning to bring this censure resolution to the floor today but there is some hypocrisy here. >> hypocrisy on capitol hill? come on, you're kidding me, right? people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. and i would argue that in this case if the republicans wanted to start talking about maxine waters, they should have dealt with their own problems, first. that is some of the sings you've
shown up there, congressman brooks, for example, marjorie taylor greene, even the former president of the united states but they have not done that. what they're doing is really very transparent. they're trying to take the focus off their own problems and trying to shove it onto the democrats. >> let's just look at it from the other side here for a moment. house speaker nancy pelosi told cnn congresswoman waters should not apologize for her comments and accused republicans of twisting her words. is that a missed opportunity to try to turn down the temperature? >> look, i think everybody ought to try and turn down the temperature in whatever way you can. but what nancy pelosi was not about to do was to play into the hands of the republicans. because she knows what's been going on across the aisle. and this is congress. this is about heat, not light at this point. and nancy pelosi, if she had said that, if she had chastised
maxine waters and quite frankly she didn't believe the language demanded it and that is her opinion, she would have played right into their hands and, you know, they've got -- they've got their own problems and what they're trying to do is just jump at anything across the aisle. so they can point at them and say, look, look, look, they're -- they're doing it too, they're terrible. and that is why you see mitch mcconnell taking to the floor of the senate, this is all about changing the subject. >> i want to shift to former president george w. bush, he's been speaking out. he had a new interview today, here's his response when asked what he thought about the current state of the republican party. >> if you were to describe the republican party as you see it today. >> yeah. >> how would you describe it? >> i would describe it as isolationist, protectionist, and to a certain extent nativist. >> are you disappointed? >> well, it's not exactly my vision. >> yeah. >> but i'm just an old guy they put out to pasture.
>> isolationist, protectionist, nativist. what did you make of those comments? >> i thought first of all it was remarkable because he has tried not to comment on politics during the entire tenure of the trump administration, obama administration. he's really tried to stay out of it. it's clear with the publication of his portraits, of immigrants that immigration is an issue he cares deeply about and he's written that it was one issue he really was sad that he could not handle when he was president of the united states, that he failed on that issue. he ran for president on what he called compassionate conservatism. what you see now in the republican party is not compassionate conservatism. and i think he's at a point where he's got to be really hont about that and say, as he did, that's not my vision. the next step is, that shouldn't be the vision for the future of the republican party. but he backed away from that a little bit saying, you know
what, i'm the old guy around here, i'm not president anymore, so he didn't kind of take that final step but, you know, clearly where he stands on this. >> gloria borger, appreciate the conversation. >> good to see you here. >> likewise, thank you for joining me. one of putin's biggest critics fading fast, he's suffering in solitary confinement, according to the lawyer of alexei navalny who is now calling for new protests across russia. we're live in moscow, stay with us. that new dove breakage remedy gives damaged hair the strength it needs. even with repeated combing hair treated with dove shows 97% less breakage. strong hair with new dove breakage remedy. ♪ ♪
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russian opposition leader naels is weeks now into a hunger strike. his lawyer says he is being held in solitary confinement in a prison hospital and now his team is calling for mass protests across russia on the same day president putin plans to deliver his state of the nation address. >> reporter: cries of pain caused by poisoning, an attempt to silence russian opposition leader alexei navalny, permanently. it failed. today, he languishes in a penal colony hospital in his homeland. again, his staff say, close to death. others must now speak for him. >> we see that very weak, fragile patient with extremely high pain syndrome, with deterioration of leg and arm function, with extremely
elevated levels of potassium that might cause fatal arrhythmia or fatal heart block. >> reporter: 20 days into a hunger strike over his demands for independent medical attention, the international protests at his failing health have been led by the u.s. >> we have communicated to the russian government that what happens to mr. navalny in their custody is their responsibility, and they will be held accountable by the international community. >> reporter: barely recovered from the nerve agent attack that nearly killed him, navalny returned to russia from germany in january. where he was detained for violating the terms of his probation in a years-old fraud case. which he said was politically motivated. and then predictably, sentenced and imprisoned. is there an element here that he is seeking martyrdom? >> no, of course not. i mean, he's just doing what he has to do, rso he had to return
because he did not nothing wrong and when he was not given this medical treatment, he used the hunger strike as a last resort but still as a legitimate political instrument, as a legitimate tool of political fight. >> reporter: breaking down the walls of political power around the kremlin will take much more. any hopes that alexei navalny might have on displacing vladimir putin from that building behind me remain pretty remote. approval ratings for him are at 19%. for putin, they're about 64% and there are also concerns within his movement that efforts being made here in moscow to prescribe it as an extremist organization could snuff it out completely. meanwhile, the prodemocracy movement plans mass d demonstrations on wednesday against putin and in support of navalny, a man that the kremlin is keen to dismiss as insignificant. >> mr. navalny, he behaves like
hooligan, absolutely. his purpose is to attract attention. >> reporter: whatever the outcomes for navalny and his movement inside russia, beyond its borders, it's the next moves of vladimir putin that will receive the most attention. >> ana, the russian government has moved inevitably to try to close down that demonstration that's scheduled for tomorrow evening, local time, after work, but people are being told that they shouldn't turn up, that they would be risking arrest. the police are going to be deployed early on in the day, and of course, a lot of focus being generated on tv here around his state of the nation address and i should also add that mr. navalny has been posting on instagram that he is, at the moment, walking around his cell. >> navalny's strength and courage is just amazing. thank you so much for your reporting, sam kiley. and thank you all for joining me
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