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palpable around minnesota and the nation is bracing for unrest as the verdict in the chauvin murder trial grows closer. let's begin this hour with josh campbell. you have been there throughout the trial. you covered all this leading up to the trial. today is it. today is closing arguments. then this lays in the hands of the jury. walk us through what today will bring. >> reporter: that's right. we've reached that final day of presentations. the last time the jury will hear from prosecutors, from defense attorneys. let me explain to you what we are expecting today. closing arguments will begin at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. the jury will then receive instructions from the judge. meaning he will direct them on how they are to deliberate, what they are to consider. then jurors will be fully sequestered during their deliberations. they'll having a says to all the evidence and exhibits. they are providing it to them digitally so they can go through the photos, the videos, the documents.
in the evening, they will be at hotels, they can have contact with their families. the judge is telling them not to have contact with other jurors. the charges in this case, very serious charges. derek chauvin is facing second degree unintentional murder, which carries up to 40 years in prison. he is facing third degree murder, which carries up to 25 years as well as second degree manslaughter, which carries ten years in jail and/or a $20,000 fine. the jury can convict him on all of those. none of those. finally, of course, this is all hang against the backdrop of a city that is becoming to, starting to resemble of fortress here with heavy security, members of the national guard in and around downtown. we see heavy fencing around government buildings. all five of the city's police precincts have razor wire outside as well as members of the national guard and members of the minnesota state police also here providing added security as this city waits to determine what this verdict is
going to be in this trial that is obviously being watched world wide. jim, poppy. >> josh campbell there, thanks, very much. joining us now laura coats, former prosecutor, charles ramsey and former police commissioner and police chief. thanks to both of you. laura, maybe you could help us summarize as a former prosecutor, yourself, the prosecutor's closing arguments. you point out they have three acts. the first is eyewitnesss to floyd's death, sort of recount the events of that day. go to use-of-force experts as well as fellow officers saying it was an excessive use of force and finally check it to his death. how do they tie that together to the jury in closing arguments? >> you can easily do it when you think of the words of the 18-year-old who took the video who said i faulty badly but i did not intervene to do more to save his life. then i look over at this officer and it was his job to do so that's where you begin. there was a duty of care owed as
a public servant as a police officer. there was a duty of care owed when he was in the custody of police to not use an unreasonable amount of force, particularly when the person was compliant and unconscious and once they realized he was in physical duress, they had a duty of care to provide the aid. they did none of those things. in particular, derek chauvin did so imimpugns. he begged for people please intervene, please get off his neck. please, just take a pulse. he never did any of the things george floyd, a human being in the custody of police is required and owed to them. you begin there, you corroborate with experts, not just people or bystanders who think they know the duties of care. you confirm it with the law enforcement officers including the chief, who set the policy on it. you conclude about the way in which he died. it was not consequent dent
coincidental, conversations a duty of care or to just refrain from keeping his neck, to be on the neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds. >> so commissioner ramsay to you, what the defense, all the defense has to do here is poke enough holes and get one juror, that's all it takes is one juror to not believe that chauvin is responsible here. the bar in minnesota and people will hear this phrase a lot over the next few days is substantial causal factor. was the knee of chauvin on george floyd's death as a substantial causal factor? do you believe the defense poked those holes? >> no, i don't. again, i'm not on the jury. so what is important is whether or not one individual or more on the jury believed that there is some kind of plausible defense for the actions of derek chauvin. i don't see it. i haven't seen it from the very beginning. again they have to convince a jury. i think the prosecution put on a
very, very strong case. i don't know if they could have done any better. one slight mistake, misstep, rather, at the very end. but that was minor compared to the overwhelming evidence that was presented throughout the trial and, of course, the defense, i mane, their job is to just throw as much on the wall and hope something sticks. i don't think anything did stick. but we'll see. it's going to be a tense period of time until the verdict is rendered. >> yeah, 12 human beings can be unpredictable. laura coats, as we've noted, chauvin faces three charges here. it's possible the jury can convict or not convict on all three of them. we have a full screen that explains the legal standard for each of these charges in descending order for most serious to least serious here. but to finish one second, unintentional murder that he caused floyd's death while committing an underlying felony. you don't have to improve
intent. the next one a sort of a step down, a reckless act, dangerous to others. second degree manslaughter gets down to negligence here. i just wonder, can you explain to folks how the jury might convict on all three standards? it seems counterintuitive there. but in your experience, what itself the likelihood a jury does something like that? >> they can do one or more. they can do two, go with the lowest or highest, not disregard the middle. this is where the prosecutors need to come in here. as we talk about the story of the trial, the witness testimony, the closing arguments is where the prosecution's got to be very precise. you can not allow the jury to go back there and try to figure out which elements the prosecution proves? which witness corresponds with which introduction of every day, jim? you have to have this slide brought out that said, here's why we proved third degree murder. here's the underlying felony. the felony was the kneeling on the neck. it was a dangerous action
recognizing minnesota law. you want the jury checking things off. here's what you can't allow them to figure it out with a textbook. the prosecution has a heavy lifts of tying all this together with the statutory language. >> or just very quickly before we go, because are you a former federal prosecutor from minneapolis, i just want your reaction with what the lt. gov. said yesterday. the fact that there is a lt. gov. yesterday peggy flanagan tweeted, i am grappling with this dark reality minnesota is a place where it is not safe to be black. this goes beyond whatever the verdict is in this trial. >> it breaks me heart, somebody, of course, who was raised in minnesota for most of my childhood. my sister is still there. she's an attorney there. my father is a practicing dentist. i have family there, still extensively. the idea of worrying about their safety, it's what makes me so
disoriented when i first went home during the protests back in may. it was very disoperateing. poppy believed that racism belongs and is confined to below the mason dixon line. it is not. it's all over this country and needs to be reconciled and addressed. i would note the prosecutors did not even mention race in this trial. it becomes the elephant in the room. i wonder how the jurors will think about it. >> that's an interesting point. thank you, you will be with us throughout the next two hours as we wait for those opening statements to begin. meantime, president biden is keeping a sharp eye on this week's closing arguments, amid fears that a controversial verdict will enflame racial tensions. >> the chief national correspondent jeff zeleny joins us. and he had ongoing investigations or trials outright stating how he thinks the outcome should birx right? we do know he is following it closely. what are you learning? >> jim, he definitely is. and in conversations president
biden has been having with black leaders across the country, including i am told the number of the cbc. the congressional black caucus last week, he talked about bracing the anticipation of the verdict. he did not say what he believed the verdict should be. there is no doubt if there is a controversial verdict, a verdict of not guilty, the white house is bracing for a wave of potential unrest so the president i am told is getting ready to fully weigh in on this he has been having conversations with leaders in minnesota and other places. he also is likely to address this directly. this is coming into the wake of a whipsaw. of course the police violence in minneapolis, brooklyn center, in chicago as well as this is coming at the same time as all of these mass shootings. so this really has the potential here to be more than a tinderbox. one senior administration officialed to me this, which is
interesting, this is already a tinderbox. it becomes more volatile by the day. so the president is staying in washington this week but keep ac close eye on minneapolis. >> as is much of the country. jeff zeleny, thanks very much. well, you can be forgiven to trying to look away this weekend at the headlines. a deadly strain of gun violence over the last couple of days means there have now be at least 50 mass shootings in the u.s. in the last month. 50. >> unbelievable. so true . in kenosha, wisconsin, three were fired early sunday morning inside of a bar. they think he got kicked out and came in and started shooting. police arrested a suspect. that person is expected to be charged with at least one count of homicide. another mass shooting. this one saturday in columbus, ohio, during a vigil for a shooting victim who was killed a year ago. that's right a. shooting at a
vigil for another shooting. one person died, five were hurt, including a 12-year-old child and a shooting in louisiana 30 minutes left of new orleans left six people injured at a 12-year-old's birthday party saturday night. officers say multiple people were shot after an argument. thankfully, no one was killed. no one, however, has been arrested yet. then in austin, texas, three people were killed in a shooting just yesterday afternoon. a suspect is still on the rise, officials say that suspect is 41-year-old steven broad rick, a former detective. he resigned after he was charged with sexually assaulting a child last year. still to come, johnson&johnson shows a study reported with all covid vaccines. that is not true. we'll have the facts for you ahead. plus as the entire country
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week when the pause was enacted. in that statement, they referred to from thrombosis from all covid vaccines. that's not true. they're essentially claiming that both moderna and pfizer vaccines are linked to blood clots. it's not true. our senior medical correspondent is with us. elizabeth, the problem here is that it psychs people out. it leads to vaccine hesitancy. so please set the record straight for everyone. >> reporter: that's right, poppy, it does freak people out. that's why i think a lot of people were confused and concerned on april 9th johnson and johnson put out this press release. let me show you the operative sentence here. what they said in this media statement was they cited studies and claimed blood clots have been reported where quote all covid-19 vaccines end quote. they had a link to a study that purported to show this. but it didn't. i spoke with the study's lead
author. she said, we didn't find anyone with blood clots, any of those scary things that are happening with johnson&johnson. now the blood clots found among some with vaccines are extremely rare. the company says we continue to work closely with medical experts and health authorities on these extremely rare events. above all, we are committed to the safety and well-being of the people that use our products. again, johnson&johnson citing a study that didn't look at blood clots, that didn't say the other vaccine had blood clots. yet johnson&johnson said, since april 9th, they have not repeated that in their statements. still to say that and take one step towards making people think phizer and mod ferna vaccines can be linked to blood clots is dangerous at this time when we see vaccine hesitancy. poppy, jim. >> it can go a long way for them to come out and correct a statement, publicly and loudly.
elizabeth, thanks so much. what does this all mean? what is the next step with the johnson&johnson vaccine? an associate professor at emory, university. you have long been a proponent of vaccinations, obviously, j&j, all of them. it was a month ago, you retweeted the likelihood you will suffer long-term infections is way higher than any theoretical risk from a vaccine. it still will, given how rare this complication is with j&j. i guess your thoughts with everyone on j&j. >> hi, poppy. thanks for having me back. the key points i would tell those who are vaccinated. again, a reminder is that this complication that created this pause is very rare. so again, six reported cases among over 6 million that received the vaccine. i also think it's important to remember the pause is the right thing to do. it's evidence of the system working the way it's supposed to. complications identified.
expert scientists quickly assembled to review the evidence and that same group of experts is scheduled to reassemble on friday. this the the ccip advisory on immunization practiceles. i suspect they will come with recommendations how to safely re-introduce this vaccine since this complications remains rare. i think every person in the country over 16 join the 130 million people who have actually literally rolled up their sleeves to inject themselves, their families, their neighbors, help them in this pandemic. >> first of all, i am glad to see your batman costume is taking all precautions behind over your shoulder. i followed that over the last several months. some damage has been done, let's speak frankly to the reputation of the j&j vaccine. there are questions out there in an environment where some people are particularly receptive about vaccines. so i wonder, given that how do you turn it around? if dr. fauci is right by friday
they will reapprove the use of this with as you say recommendations about what to watch for and who may not want to use it? how do you turn it around? and can you turn it around? >> i think it's about transparency and trust. i think that the more, let's layout this data. the beautiful part about actually having a robust science-based regulatory mechanism is that the information is available to all. so i think the more we're honest in terms of what the data shows and the more we're clear in terms of the basis for the scientific recommendation in terms of stating these were the risk factors in terms of this rare complication and these are why we can actually re-introduce it. i think it will rebuild that trust. as you said, it's a process, in the meantime, i'd encourage people there is no reason to wait. there are hundreds of doses available for all. >> today is a big day. every adult in america is eligible to get a vaccination starting today. there are big issues in some states, take the state of
georgia, marcus pointed this out. i think it's a really important point that i hadn't realized. when you look at a state where for weeks 16 and above have been allowed to get a vaccination. in georgia, they're way behind almost every other state when it comes to vaccination numbers. only 51 out of every 100 people, the only state that's worse is alabama. why? why is this happening in georgia? >> yeah. it's an important point, poppy. i think the point is that you can't build a public health infrastructure overnight. part of the reason why georgia has been slow. let's be honest, we have been slow. is the fact that for decades public health has not been something prioritized. hopefully, that will change. the pandemic has pooeld off that band aid and shown that to the whole world. as an example of this on saturday, myself, about 45 of my colleagues in the emory division of infectious diseases programmed with the public health department. we vaccinated over 200 individuals at the international
convention center. it felt fantastic to see people, black, white, latino. i imagine all political denominations. literally roll up their sleeves and take that step. that's 2,000 people that won't die of this infection. that's two din people less likely to get hospitalized for this infection. we'll catch up. we'll get there. >> look at that headline, 50% of u.s. adults had one vaccine dose. it's april, right, it's still time. that is pretty remarkable so hats off to folks like you helping making that happy. thanks very much. >> thank you. prosecutors and defense attorneys in the derek chauvin murder trial will begin their closing arguments in the next hour. we will bring those to you live. is george floyd's family ready for the outcome? i will speak to a relative next. we are minutes away. the dow is a little lower after both the dow and the s&p 500 hit
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. welcome back. president biden and vice president harris will spend the day pushing to get lawmakers in the country on board with the administration's $2.3 infrastructure plan. >> once again, the president is meeting in the oval office while the vice president travels to north carolina to her first major speech. jeremy dimon is live at the white house. we've seen these meetings before and heard some talk of a bipartisan and is a bipartisan agreement still a genuine possibility? >> reporter: well, the white house said they want to see substantial proog on this $2.3 infrastructure proposal president biden put together by memorial day. they are hoping to get some passage of a piece of legislation on this during this summer. right now, though, we don't really have a piece of legislation to talk about yet.
those discussions are really still in the early stages so far. today we will see president biden meeting with a bipartisan group of senators and the house of representatives notably, all of these are former governors on the senate side and former mayors on the house side here. you can see several of these senators and congressmen. listen here, congresswoman kay granger is also notably the house appropriations key committee and then have you senator mitt romney who, of course, is a member of those ten republican senator who's have said that they will be putting forward a counterproposal to what president biden has talked about. so this will be an important meeting for president biden to not only show, once again that he does want to try to move forward in a bipartisan manner. i don't think we'll see anything concrete come out of this meeting. but it will be the latest in the outreach that the white house has been doing, on the one hand, to try to get a bipartisan deal, on the other hand to show they are working in a bipartisan
manner f even if, ultimately, it end up being a partisan process using reconciliation. on the other hand, vice president kamala harris will be in north carolina making the push herself on this infrastructure plan. the white house believes that they have the public support on this infrastructure plan. but they are continuing to make a full-court press to make sure they maintain that support as republicans begin to counterattack here as we've seen over the last couple of weeks. >> yeah. and keep their own democratic caucus in line. jeremy, thanks very much. minutes from now, closing arguments will begin in the derek chauvin mushed trial. we will bring those to you the moment they begin. but this question, how does george floyd's family prepare for the verdict? i will speak with a family member just ahead.
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closing arguments in the derek chauvin murder trial will begin in less than 30 minutes. we will bring them to you live as they begin. this as the city of minneapolis braces for potential protests and unrests, not just there, hinging on the outcome of this case. i am joined by george floyd's cousin, thank you for taking time with us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> you know, there is a lot of talk right now about the nation being on edge, people watching this verdict closely, but you're a family member of george floyd. i can only imagine the emotion and tension running through your heart right now. tell us how you and other family members are preparing for the outcome of this?
>> we're preparing as best we can, just leading up to this whole ordeal, the level of strength and anxiety is nice. honestly, to sum it up, it's just been this ordeal has been traumatic to our family so we are anxious to kind of get this to a close, if possible. yeah. we are willing to get this done. >> this trial, of course, is being watched for its outcome. but also its effect on other communities and the law, frankly, right? the law. you have said that you hope to see actual change come from this. i wonder how hopeful are you? there was a moment last year after george floyd's death, when there was some movement on capitol hill, it went nowhere. i wonder do you believe things might be different, a little
better now? >> yes, i do believe that things are a little bit different. we're still working on the police reform act. both at a state level and a better level. we're still hope. we will keep pushing until we see some change there. it may not be everything that we are asking for. but any change that we can get, we're going to take it and we're going to keep moving. >> were you able to watch the trial? i wonder. you and your relatives, other loved ones of george floyd. because i didn't know george ride in. i found some of those moments difficult. it's difficult to watch as a human being. i wonder how'd you all manage that? >> it was very difficult as you can imagine. there were times when we were literally broken to tears. it was a very hard thing to
watch. heart wrenching at times, so, yeah, we, most of us didn't really want to watch the video, but we have been very active in watching the trial this entire time and in the courtroom and in the courtroom. we're not in the courtroom. they only allow one at a time. but we kind of lean on each other to, you know, stay strong. >> yeah. i get that. as you know people not just in the minneapolis area, but around the country, are watching this closely. we have seen protests. we saw them last year and by and large they have been peaceful. but there have been outbreaks of violence. i wonder what you say to people in the wake of this, what ever the outcome. how do you encourage people or discourage people from reacting to this? >> i can tell you that i know that emotions are extremely high. people are very passionate about
what they've seen and so the only thing we want. we obviously want the best outcome. we want to see conviction in this case for derek chauvin, but no matter what happens today, we or whenever the decision comes, we know that there will be an opportunity for change. so we're going to hope for the best. >> understood. as you know, derek chauvin declined the opportunity to speak in his own defense would you have liked him to take the stand for the prosecutors to question him? >> i wasn't surpriseed that he chose not to speak. like i said, i have been watching the trial and i don't really want to hear anything from him. there is nothing he could say that would convince me that he didn't commit murder that day. so i'm not disappointed.
i'm not even surprised he chose not to speak. >> before i let you go, i know you are nervous now as you said to me earlier, you are having trouble sleeping. are you hopeful for an outcome you would view as just? >> i am hopeful. but at the same time, i want to try to be prepared for whatever comes. >> well, tara brown we remain here emma thet ig to you and your families a loss throughout. we wish you the best during these tense times. >> thank you so much. we appreciate your support. >> thank you. >> tara brown, thank you so much for coming open a. heart breaking tribute to a victim in yet another mass shooting in america. the picture you are looking at is 19-year-old samarria blackwell. she was work at the fed-ex
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the shooter who killed eight people at a fed-ex facility in indianapolis bought two semi automatic rifles legally. this despite being investigated by the fbi for a potential for violence prior to the attack. in the wake of that shooting and multiple other deadly shootings just over the past several days, president biden is calling, once again, for lawmakers to take action. some action.
senate majority leader chuck schumer says he plans to hold the vote on the epidemic of gun violence. legislation expanding background checks has passed the house. but those bills are a long shot in the senate where democrats struggling to find enough gop support and all these shootings have not changed that political dynamic. >> at all. all right. well, among the eight victims of the fed-ex massacre is 19-year-old samaria blackwell. she had just graduated from high school. she was the youngest of four children. we want to show you pictures for a look at her here. this is samaria with her beloved doing jasper. those who love her the most remember her as a young women playing basketball, being on the soccer field. she had dreams of becoming a police officer. her family remembers a care taker who always considers other's needs, the mayor, who is also a friend of their family
remembered her. >> she is one of our bright, young citizens who has been called home. i am never going to question why. but she was. now she is standing on the right happened of god looking down on all of us. that is refreshing to me. i'm sorry. >> yeah. you can see all his pain. while listening to him. help me bring in a close friend of the blackwell's, his wife coached samaria and his own daughters and he has been a chaplan fedex. thank you so much. i appreciate being on, poppy. >> actually, i want to begin where we just heard the mayor leave off. she sits at the right hand of god and begin with her faith and the family's faith this morning.
because her name, obviously, from the new testament, samaria after the good sa mayomaritan t jesus told. can you speak to her faith even after this horror? >> yes. and they would definitely want me to share that with you. they have a deep faith. and as soon as i arrived at the scene there at the hotel when the family had just been told about samaria's death, they were praying. they were quoting scripture. their faith in jesus christ means so much to them. they said how could anybody get through this without a faith in god? so that is something that means so much to them. >> leg >> let me show you. she had the dreams of becoming a police officer. and so the avon police department is actually now putting this out. and they're collecting police badges for the family. it is patches for stitches because of like a sports injury
she got. and that's where that comes from. i just wonder what samaria would think of this. >> she would absolutely love it. i spoke with the family yesterday. and they just said she would think that is the coolest thing environmenter to receive patches. and the police department i spoke with them this morning. they even received -- they're receiving patches from international police departments as well. it's kind of an interagency thing they'll do and they show up for training. they trade and exchange and swap patches. and so this is a great way to honor this young lady who wanted to become a police officer. and they're getting these all together from all over the country. we're so thankful for that outpouring of support. >> she was only 19. i mean, it is a cliche, but so true to say the whole world was in front of her. and her life taken by another 19-year-old with these two legally purchased assault weapons. so much of your job is praying with and for lawmakers at the
state house to help them be their best and fullestselves. if any of them are listening at the state level, federal level this morning, i'm sure they are, what does the family want them to do in their daughter's name? >> they're really concerned with where they're at now and handling the grief, setting up arrangements. and so that's their focus right now. and we'll just let legislators legislate. and we will focus on grieving and sorrowing with the family. you know, the scripture says to weep with those that weep and mourn with those that mourn. that's what we're doing with the family right now. and the community, indianapolis is a big city. it has a small town feel. and this community wrapped their arms around them giving immensely to a gofundme to help them. they had a lack of insurance. fedex coming out with a great generous donation to a fund on gofundme. so we're excited about that and
happy the family is going to be taken care of. >> for you, as someone close to the family grieving with them but also with your own family, i mean, your daughters were close to her. they played sports with her. they're 16 and 22 years old. how do you grieve with your daughters at the same time as with this family? >> even late last night. spendi spending time with my youngest emma. it is hard. we can't always understand why hearing the mayor say he's not going to ask why. i don't mind asking god why. why god? why is this happening? yet, at the same time, we have a faith and a trust that god will work all things together for good. that's his purpose. he has a way of redeeming beautiful things out of bad. and we're trusting that god will do that in the future. that's how i'm counseling my daughters in their faith and in their walk with god. >> you are going right after this in just a few minutes to the state house. >> i am.
i'll be opening the indiana house of representatives at 10:00 a.m. in prayer. and so there is much thought that is going into that prayer as well. it will be the first prayer given since the tragedy on friday. >> thank you for doing. that thank you for being here, matthew barns. and for all of you watching, matthew just mentioned the gofundme page. we want to show it to you if you want to help the blackwell family. go to gofundme.com and search samaria blackwell's name and help right there. >> 19 years old. just one face of dozens of victims in the last month. minutes from now, closing arguments begin in the derek chauvin murder trial. we're going to bring those to you live the moment they start. stay with us.
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good monday morning to you. it's a big one. i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm poppy har loechlt the breaking news this hour. at any moment, the prosecution and the defense in the derek chauvin murder trial will gun making their closing arguments. the final phase and their last chance to sway the jury about the death of george floyd. it sparked protest for change around the world. >> many in this country are on edge as they await the outcome of this trial. minneapolis in particular, but cities nationwide now bracing, preparing for potential unrest following the verdict. let's go to josh campbell walk us through how we expect the day to play out. >> yeah, jim. we're at the final day of presentations here. the jury will soon hear the closin closing arguments.
they're expected to begin. the prosecutor will speak and then the defense attorney and the prosecution team will conclude their remarks. the jury will then receive instructions from the judge. that is what should they consider? what are the parameters of the deliberation? we expect to hear those live as he explains to them what the process will be. the jury will be sequestered for the durationst deliberation. they will have access to all of the evidence here. they're actually providing electronically through laptops. they'll be able to call up the exhibits, images, notes, everything that was used as exhibits in this case. they will be able to process. finally, the judge instructed them although they're going to be in hotels in the evening, they can contact their family but they're not to discuss the actual specifics of this case. let's talk about the charges that this former officer is facing. he's been charged with second degree unintentional murder. that carries up to 40 years in prison. he is charged with third degree murder which carries 25 years in prison. and then that last charge, second degree manslaughter, up to ten years in prison.