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>> i'm laura jarrett. >> new day with john berman and brianna keilar starts now. on this new day, american cities on edge, bracing for a verdict in the derek chauvin trial, closing argument set to begin in just hours. plus a new report on biden's efforts to vaccinate the entire country despite hesitancy among many americans. >> he's said to be dying behind bars in russia. now a new warning. and qanon con sspiracy theorists and the man who played jesus.
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good morning to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. it's monday, april 19th. you're brianna keilar. >> i am. it's so wonderful to be with you, john berman. >> i'm excited to be here. it's going to be a great week. cities across america bracing for unrest as the derek chauvin trial enters its final days. the jury will be sequestered before deliberations begin. there is anger in the streets before a verdict is even reached. protesters are turned out in minneapolis and elsewhere. thousands of national guard troops ready to deploy in downtown minneapolis, and adrienne broaddus is there. adrienne, tell us what you're
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seeing. >> reporter: good morning to you, brianna. behind me what you'll see you'll see on every coverer here in downtown minneapolis, members of the national guard. there are more than 3,000 troops deployed not only here in the cities but throughout the surrounding area. also, the beauty of downtown minneapolis is hidden because the buildings are boarded up, and more boards went up over this weekend. also later this week, schools here in minneapolis will return to remote learning. students not going into the classroom, and there's a lot of anticipation as we prepare to hear those closing arguments today. i spoke with minnasotans and asked them what they think will transpire this week. listen in. >> fractured in minneapolis right now. we're in so much pain that it's almost like that family that stops speaking to each other. >> i'm concerned for our
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community no matter what the verdict is. of course, we want justice for george floyd and we want derek chauvin held accountable, but i think the reform and the things that need to happen are going to take a long time. >> i serve a god that sits high and serves low. i don't have any fear. but our trauma and problems started long before the chauvin trial and our work is going to continue long after, right? >> reporter: meanwhile people here in minnesota are bracing for pain and anguish even if they agree with the verdict. they say after that verdict comes, they know there's more work to be done here in the twin cities and around the country. john and brianna? >> adrienne broaddus, thanks so much for being there. we appreciate your work. we're only a few hours away from closing arguments in the derek chauvin trial. natalie, let's start with the prosecution. what are you expecting to see
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from them? >> well, it's going to be interesting who does this closing. i believe it will be jerry blackwell. he did the opening in this case, and i felt he did a great job on that. he seems to be the person that wants these big occasions in this trial, so i believe it will be jerry blackwell. what i expect from him is him to come out hard to disprove all of the different causes of death that the defense has thrown out there, such as the drugs, the crowd, the adrenaline, the excited delirium, the pre-existing medical conditions. i think that's what you're going to see from him, spending a lot of time showing it was not that and that george floyd died as a result of derek chauvin's knee on his neck. >> what are you expecting from the defense? >> from the defense, i'm expecting the exact opposite.
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i think it's important to remember the defense doesn't have to prove anything. all they have to do is poke holes and try to get some doubt from the jury that perhaps something else caused the death of george floyd besides the knee on the neck, beside's derek chauvin's knee on his neck. from the defense, we're going to hear about the drugs. we're going to hear about the crowd, the distraction, about george floyd's physical condition, his pre-existing heart condition. we're going to hear things about excited utterance. you're going to see the defense throw everything on the wall and see what sticks. >> natalie, you said one of the biggest failures in the prosecution of george zimmerman was ignoring race. so how does that apply in this case? do you feel the prosecution here has made the same mistake? >> no, i don't. that was in 2013, and i think we were just coming to terms with the racial issue with policing in the united states. since then we've seen protests
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all over the nation, especially during the pandemic in the last year that was multi-racial. we've seen the protesters in oregon, in portland, in chicago, everywhere. and they've been multi-racial. i think -- and also video has come a long way. we didn't have any video in the prior cases like trayvon martin's case or michael brown's case. now we have video. people can see for themselves. that's one of the things the prosecution talked about in their opening statement, and i think we'll hear a lot about this, this bouquet of humanity. those are the words he used, and that's what we saw here. we saw all different ages, races, people who were concerned and tried to stop derek chauvin's actions. >> natalie, thank you so much for joining us on this very important day. this morning the list of communities affected by gun violence is continuing to grow. in austin, texas, a manhunt is under way for the suspect in a
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shooting situation involving three people. the suspect is a former sheriff's detective who resigned after being charged last june with the sexual assault of a child. in brooklyn center, minnesota, police enforcing another curfew sunday night amid the eight straight night of protests following the police killing of daunte wright. hundreds of protesters gathered to remember the 20-year-old. in kenosha, wisconsin, a person of interest in custody following a shooting in a tab vern sunday morning that left three people injured. in chicago individuals gathered over the death of adam toledo who was shot by police last month. and in indianapolis, family and friends paying tribute to eight people killed in a fedex shooting last week. it's the 50th u.s. killing in
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the past month. at a pray're vigil, the mayor said the shooting hit close to him because he knew one of the victims, 19-year-old samaria blackwell. >> she's one of our bright young citizens who was called home. i'm never going to question why, but she was. now she's standing on the right hand of god, looking down on all of us, and that is refreshing to me. i'm sorry. >> now, in the meantime, the police say the 19-year-old gunman legally purchased the assault rifles he used in the fedex attack. what's raising so many questions is this happened after the fbi investigated him and seized a different weapon. cnn's whitney wild is joining us now. whitney?
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>> reporter: br brianna,al exam of what needs to happen. the family said rk look, we're worried he's going to try suicide by cops. they put him on an immediate although temporary household. they did not find any racially motivated extremism, they didn't find he had committed a crime, however, back then, law enforcement actually seized a weapon from him. however, fast forward to july 2020 and then again to september 2020, those were the two dates in which he was able to legally purchase the two firearms he used as he tried to commit this crime. of course, we know, fast forward to just this month when he was able to effect this absolute atrocious crime that left eight people dead, his family telling a cnn affiliate they did everything they tried to help get him the help he needed but it simply wasn't enough.
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another attempt to try to prevent an atrocity, and it wasn't enough. >> it's an issue regarding the red flag laws. every american aged 16 years old and older eligible to be vaccinated today. cnn's jeremy diamond live at the white house with the brand-new reporting. jeremy, what have you learned? >> reporter: good morning, john. the biden administration has tripled the share of weekly doses going through the federal pipelines rather than through the states for state and local officials to make the decisions about where those vaccine doses are going. that means the biden administration, federal pipelines, are now handling more than a third of the weekly doses going out every week to get americans vaccinated, this as we enter this new phase of vaccination with every american 16 and older eligible to be vaccinated. the biden administration ramping up these federal pipelines
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largely in hopes of setting up the infrastructure to make sure the mass vaccination can take place. nearly 40,000 pharmacies are part of that pipeline now, and that is where americans can now be getting vaccinated with those 90% of americans within five miles of a vaccination site. this gives the administration more control not only in terms of the infrastructure able to handle these doses but in terms of hitting some of the equity measures. we know the u.s. has lagged behind in terms of getting minority communities vaccinated, but the federal channels including the pharmacy program, the mass vaccination sites run by the government, they've been outperforming in terms of getting non-white americans vaccinated. that's a big part of what we're going to be seeing here. and, again, as we enter the new phase, we're not focusing on minority groups but everybody above 16 can get vaccinated.
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the white house is launching a blitz to promote the vaccine. what do we know about that? >> reporter: that's right, brianna. they're going to pan out and advertise. you're going to be seeing a lot of health officials and vice president kamala harris and dr. fauci on unlikely forums such as snapchat, and the administration is going to be using face bbook and twitter to let people know it's time to be vaccinated. last night we saw an nbc special focused on getting communities of color vaccinated. >> jeremy diamond at the white house. thank you so much. a republican senator defends pushing a conspiracy theory questioning president biden's mental fitness.
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i know some people have suggested that. that certainly wasn't my intention. we need the reality to match the rhetoric. >> joining us now, cnn political analyst maggie haberman. she's a washington correspondent for "the new york times." he said it wasn't meant to suggest what the tweet suggested. it was very clear what the tweet said, maggie. >> right. you can do the charitable interpretation that the quote he was lifting from politico in his initial tweet is about the idea the republicans have lobbed repeatedly at biden that he's controlled by the radical left, but that's not what was said in the tweet. there are other lines that joe biden is not all there. it's been said repeatedly. former president trump said it repeatedly. he would also say, i'm asking a question or doing a retweet or putting it out there. that was a very ery familiar
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statement from him. it should have been clear to the congressman. he had ample opportunity to clean it up, and i didn't see it. >> it's a blanket defense for any question you can ask in the world. i'm just asking a question. >> was there really a moon landing? >> does maggie haberman really hate puppies? i'm just asking. i'm just asking. >> it barely suggests anything. it suggests it's fine to have done, and he sort of got there again when he said, i was in no way suggesting. but once he puts that tweet out, everyone's going to see it, and we'll see the "sunday morning" interview. and there's the phrase biden is not all there. i'm using that phrase specifically. >> there was a policy, track, backtrack, and track again with what the president wants to do on the refugee cap.
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he promised to raise it, and then the administration said, huh-uh, not going to happen and then he's going to raise it. what's going on here? >> this is the first real error on the biden administration that has had a strikingly good first timer in days. they messed up. they knew it was going to be controversy, going to be a problem. they have not been sure how to deal with it. biden does want to honor this. there has been a concern i have heard from multiple sources about the optics. the republicans are beating up on us. we're afraid the public is going to conflate the issues even though they don't relate to each other. that's what's going on. >> george w. bush had an interview this weekend. he talked about a lot of things but one of the things that issing is how surprised people might be that he had a friendship with michelle obama.
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listen to this. >> it shocked me. we got in the carb and barbara and jenna said, hey, you're trending. people are so surprised michelle and i could be friends. it's a problem people are so polarized in their thinking they can't imagine a george w. bush and a michelle obama being friends. >> he seems surprised that people seem to be surprised. >> he seems to be learning about twitter is my basic takeaway. i do think it's true. it is right. in this polarized era, people are surprised they're friends about, and we've seen it over and over. we saw it from the trump inauguration that michelle obama is hugging president bush. i don't think this level of polarity is that surprising to most people and i don't think
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twitter is necessarily the most accurate representation of what america thinks, although, i do like the fact that he was shocked he's trending. >> look. the guy just likes to paint pictures. it represents how the political world has passed him bibi his choice among other things, but it's in a vastly different place than george bush ever was politically. >> bush sat out the last four years veryive te intentionally. he decided he department want to we weigh in. i think there were moderates whose minds he might have impacted and changed and he chose not do that, but it's notable he's now emerging when this moment in u.s. history has passed. >> maybe he's on to something. if you look at the energy, and by energy, i think money,
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marjorie taylor, what did she raise? $2.6 million. others are raising money too. these are the people who brought you jewish base layers. >> their republican base is incredibly fire d by this trumpian following. she's tapping into the same dollar energy that we saw trump engage in over four years. he and his team built this small dollar machine and trump decided that's where the money is. that's why he's keeping his committees going. republicanss have followed this. now they have diverging interests. >> maggie, it is so wonderful to see you. >> good to see you. >> so early.
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right now president joe biden faces blinking lights among the national fronts, among them, worsening relations with russia. alexei navalny is said to be dying in prison and the white
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house is warning moscow of the possible consequences if that happens. cnn's clarissa ward live from london. you have spoken extensively in the past with navalny. what's the latest about him and his condition? >> reporter: well, at this stage, john, his allies are concerned he could literally die any day. one of his physicians has said they've had access to his blood test results, that they show a very high level of potassium, which could result in heart failure, which could result in renal failure, and in words of the physician, our patient could die at any moment. the whole reason that navalny is on hunger strike, and it's nearly three weeks he's been on hunger strike, he's been arguing he's not been getting proper medical treatment that he needed. he was arguing that he needed to have outside physicians come in to visit him because he was experiencing numbness in his hands and legs. he also had back problems. all of this on the back of him
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being poisoned with nova poison. the situation now is getting very serious to the point where his allies have called on the people across russia who support navalny to come out in mass protests on wednesday. wednesday s of course, the day president putin will be delivering his state of the nation address, no coincidence there. we have also heard, i should add, from the russian prison service. they said he has been transferred back into the hospital at the penal colony that is correct his health condition has been deemed, quote, satisfactory, and he's examined by a general practitioner every day. but obviously that's going to be of very little comfort to those who are watching the situation so closely and are concerned for his health. >> the international community
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is watching, clarissa. the united states is considering the real possibility he may die. what options does the u.s. have if navalny dies? >> that's the interesting question. we do know the biden administration has said there will be consequences. we heard from the national security adviser jake sullivan on "dana bash" this weekend he wasn't going to telegraph what the consequences would be, but the message has been delivered to the kremlin that if navalny dice while in the custody of the russian state, there will be consequences as a result. we heard from bide then weekend that the treatment of navalny was unfair, quote, and totally inappropriate. it's also interesting that biden didn't mention navalny when he gave his remarks about the raft of u.s. sanctions against russia lat week. he didn't bring up his phone
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call with president putin last week. there's a lot of speculation what the u.s. will do, what the levers are that are still available to them. would it be more sanctions? we simply don't know, brianna. >> so, clarissa, navalny's health is getting worse as u.s./russia relations are getting bad and the buildup on the border of ukraine. how does this end? >> i've been covering russia long enough there can come of it no good. it's a very concerning situation. russia is coming under huge international pressure not just from the u.s., and as you mentioned, we're seeing this very troubling buildup of russia military along the ukraine border and inside crimea. according to ukrainian forces, some 50,000 russian troops on that border of crimea.
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that's not including the tens of thousands of pro-russian separatists living in ukraine who support russia. russia has said, listen, we're moving people around, there's nothing to be concerned about. obviously people remember what happened in 2014 with the annexation of crimea, and they remember how blase the dialogue was coming from russia as this was happening in real time. there are very rear concerns particularly from ukraine's leadership saying they're braced for the possibility there could be a russian invasion, though, nothing yet to suggest that that is imminent. brianna, john. >> the temperatures clearly rising there. thanks so much. michigan hospitals are on the brink as coronavirus cases are sunrging. our next guest says vaccinations may not be enough to turn things
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health care workers across michigan sounding the alarm as the state sees new coronavirus cases an hospitalizations soar. one emergency room doctor's plea is going vie rral on social med. listen to this. >> when you get the other strain, it's more transmissible, you're going to spread it to more people and it's going to be more deadly. we've got to do more, folks. the light is at the end of the tunnel, but we're not going to get there unless we do all of it. >> icu capacity at his detroit area hospitals is 9% this morning or even higher. thanks so much for being with us. i heard you say we can add beds, we can find space, but what we can't do is find the people, the medical professionals, the
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doctors t hea do doctors, the health care workers we need to address this. >> early on as you recall we had challenges with space. we had challenges with testing and ppe, and those things are much better today thankfully, but the one area where we still struggle mightily is with staff, and as you just said, i have said that before, that we can create beds around manufacture beds and create field hospitals, but we slim can't find the staff to adequately staff those beds. >> look. we've vaccinated half the adult population in the united states, which is a great thing. why can't we vaccinate our way out of this problem in michigan? >> well, first of all, i want to applaud the efforts to get vaccines in arms as quickly as possible. i think my state of michigan has done a fantastic job of this. i think other states are doing a wonderful job of this as well.
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even if we could vaccinate every remaining citizen tomorrow, there's a lead time that it takes for the vaccine to be effective, and that can be as long as six weeks, especially if you think about a two-dose vaccine like the faiz ore moderna vaccine. it could take six weeks to get the full effect of the vaccine. and, frankly, that's too long by itself. so as an important mitigation vaccine, of course, we want to get vaccines into arms, but in the situation we're living in right now, people have to do other things to help contain this as well. that means all the things i've spoken about, dr. fauci has spoken about as far as social distancing and staying home and preferring outdoor activities over indoor activities. that coupled with the vaccine strategy is really what's going to get us through this. >> doctor, what do you say to people who say, look, we did that, we did the shutdowns, the
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stay-at-home orders, restrictions, we can't go back to that, we're past that. >> i respect that. everybody's got covid fatigue. i have covid fatigue and my staff at the hospital has covid fatigue, and people do, too. we're seeing that happening over time in our communities. it's getting warm outside, people are getting spring fever and people want to travel, but we still have a risk in our backyard. the risk is if we allow this virus to continue to transmit itself and make more copies of itself, there's a substantial risk it will continue to alter itself as well. that's a tangible risk. we've seen that play out with the b.1.1.7. variant and some of the more transmissible variants. so i get it. we're all tired and we don't want to go back to a world of restrictions. we can self-impose those restrictions and use what i call
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a commonsense approach, the so-called door number three where we can wear our masks and really limit our gatherings, sports activities, things we know will propagate the virus. we can do that ourselves. if we can do that, that would be great. >> dr. gilpin, we appreciate you being with us. a host of celebrities are rolling up their sleeves to encourage folks to get vaccinated. the former president along with shaquille o'neal and charles barkley emphasizing the need for communities of color to get vaccinated. >> i appreciate you guys doing this. part of our goal here is to make sure that everybody who's been going through so much in covid understands the need and the urgency of our communities getting vaccinated. michelle and i, we've been lucky.
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michelle's mom stayed put in chicago, didn't leave her apartment. the girls, as frustrating as it was, they really followed protocol in terms of making sure that they took this seriously. now as the vaccine becomes more available, i want to make sure that our communities, particularly ones, african-american, latino, as well as young people understand that this will save lives and allow people to get their lives back to normal, and the sooner we get more people vaccinated, the better off we're going to be. >> mr. president, i get my second vaccine shot tomorrow. i cannot wait. i think it's important for us to keep talking about the vaccine. so i'm telling all my friends, yo, man, forget what happened back in the day. every black person, please go out and get vaccinated. >> i am vaccinated. my family has underlying
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conditions. they're also vaccinated. i worry about my mom and dad. >> you mentioned tuskegee and what's known as the tuskegee experiment. the government withheld treatment for black men for syphilis. it wasn't that they made them sick by giving them medicine. it's that they didn't give them medicine that they needed. here's a situation if the medicine is available, we need to take it. look. if the wealthy and powerful in our society are lining up to get shots, that means everybody should know it's a good thing to get it. did chuck freeze up. >> yes, he did. >> because i've never seen him this quiet. >> i think i'm back. i'm back. >> it's nice to know their i.t. is no different than the rest of us.
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>> it's great they're getting word out and it's hilarious they're experiencing the same zoom issues everyone experiences. >> that was nice to see. >> it's wonderful. passion of the christ start jim caviezel is sparking outranl. this is because of a crazy qanon theory he's promoting. we'll talk about that next. renae is not an influencer. she's more of a groundbreaker. just look at the way she's reshaping, and reimagining, her 4 acre slice of heaven. it's not hard to tell she's the real deal. renae runs with us on a john deere 1 series tractor, because out here, you can't fake a job well done. nothing runs like a deere. get a 1 series tractor starting at $99 per month.
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request a q . qanon has a backer in jim cav caviezel. what is he saying, donie? >> crazy is certainly the word. what we're seeing is even with trump out of the white house, conspiracy theories are continuing to grip the united states. have a listen. >> the genochroming of children, look, with where we're at right now, hopefully we need your prayers. >> reporter: he may have played the role of jc in mel gibson's
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2004 "passion of the christ," but now it seems jim caviezel is preaching a different kind of gospel. >> you said adrenrychrome. >> i'll simplify it. if a child knows he's going to die, his body will secrete this adrenaline. >> reporter: followers of qanon are obsessed with the idea without having any evidence that hollywood celebrities are doing it. >> it's the same kind of conspiracy theory as the gunman of a pizzeria.
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>> the idea that you're attacking us and making us look like we're crazing and that we're trying to save some [ bleep ] children pisses me off. >> what's going on with tom hanks? >> you guys want me to explain everything to you, huh? dude, it's all suspicion. it's suspension. >> how do you -- >> you're reporting non-facts. because you don't know the information, you're saying -- >> neither do you. >> we're at an impasse. we're reporting the same thing. >> you too. you're calling him a pedophile. >> yes. how do they get to that position of power? >> we have reached out to caviezel for comment. why does this all matter, guys? you can see it there. people are showing up on the street about this. you saw comet ping pong pizza
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which was also the target of conspiracy theories. they're saying these conspiracy theories have consequences. >> they're so absolutely positively nuts, donie. they really just are. why is it they continue to circ circulate? >> i think over the past year with lockdowns, et cetera, all of us are spending so much more time online, so many of us are on facebook all day and that's where a lot of this stuff is spreading, an people have an incentive to push this sort of stuff. you see the small dollar donations to marjorie taylor greene who pushed the conspiracy theory back. there's an audience first and you can potentially make a buck off it too. >> it's unbelievable to see, donie, and sickening, i have to say. great work. terrific work as always. sorry. i can't believe it. i'm sorry. they just keep getting more and
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the vancouver canucks return to the ice for the first time after a covid outbreak devastated their roster. andy scholes has the "bleacher report." good morning, andy. >> good morning.
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the canucks had the worst outbreak than any team. they have 25 members including 21 players test positive for covid-19 over the past several weeks. they were finally able to return to the ice last night against the toronto maple leafs. i it's the first time since march 24th. travis green said afterward this was a special win considering everything they've gone through. the lakers, meanwhile l not be visiting the white house next week to celebrate their title with president biden, a white house official telling cnn it's being postponed due to covid protocols and scheduling issues. they haven't visited the white house since 2016 since they met with the cleveland cavaliers to see president obama. last last year stewart cink
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wins the second tournament of the season. his family and son reagan was there to cheer him on. >> it's so great to have the whole family here. it means so much to me. it's really been a blast this week. i can't explain it. >> it's an amazing blessing. god has blessed us beyond words, and i'm supergrateful, and i love them so much. >> it's great. seeing the second golf never the last 50 years to win two events. more "new day" continues right now. i'm british columbia british columbia . i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman. minneapolis is bracing for unrest. >> america first in hate.
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marjorie jean's platform. johnson & johnson making up claims about other companies. a big blowup between top business leaders and republican lawmakers. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman. it's great to be alongside you. >> it's great to have you here. you are brianna keilar. how are things going along so far? >> it's great. thank you for welcoming me in so
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graciously. >> are you going to stay? >> i think i am. there are closing arguments beginning with derek chauvin. the former police officer knelt on george floyd's neck and back for 9:29. crews are installing razor wire around police stations and thousands of national guard troops are ready to deploy if needed. >> the verdict in one of the most closely watched trials in years could be concluded. many cities reeling from other police-involved deaths including daunte wright. >> what can we expect? joining us now to talk about this, elie honig, who's our cnn legal analyst and former federal and state prosecutor. let's start with the prosecution. they have to have proved what they said they were going to


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