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a racial reckoning in minnesota. >> y'all see the difference. this is a taser. but no, my nephew was killed with this. >> another young black man shot to death by police. as the derek chauvin murder trial nears the end. plus the war in afghanistan winds down, two decades after the 9/11 attacks. >> i've concluded that it is time to end america's longest war. it is time for american troops to come home. >> i could tell america that you
may be tired of fighting radical islam, they are not tired of you. >> we'll speak with abigail spanberger. and johnson & johnson covid vaccine temporarily shut down. we'll tell you what you need to know about its safety. welcome to "inside politics" sunday, i'm abby phillip and to our viewers in the united states and around the world, thank you for spending part of your weekend with us. the united states is reflecting on a week marked by violence. a mass shooting in indianapolis, a 20-year-old black man shot dead by police, body cam video showing an officer fatally shooting a 13-year-old who had his hands up. all as the verdict in the derek chauvin trial could come this week. the gun violence has not spared big cities or small towns. and just last night there were
two more mass shootings, bringing the total to at least 47 in the past month. and in the town of brooklyn center, near minneapolis, a community again is in mourning. 20-year-old daunte wright was shot dead by an officer who police said miss took her taser for a gun. now that officer is charged with second-degree manslaughter. in the weeks since wright's deaths that there has been nearly nightly protests with participants chanting his name and his killing has deeply resonated in a state with still open wounds after the death of two other black men at the hands of police. philando castile in 2016 and george floyd in 2020. here is wright's mother who was on the phone with him just before he was shot. >> the last few days everybody has asked me what we want. what do we want to see happen.
and everybody keeps saying justice. but unfortunately there is never going to be justice for us. i do want accountability, 100% accountability. >> in washington, in action, the white house again urging congress to pass laws addressing policing and gun safety. >> i strongly, strongly urge my republican friends in the congress who refuse to bring up the house passed bill to bring it up now. every single day, every single day there is a mass shooting in this united states if you count all of those who were killed out on the streets of our cities and our rural areas. >> joining me now to share the reporting and the insights from "the washington post," and michelle norris director of the race card project and a washington post columnist. michelle and toluse, this has been a really traumatic week for
so many americans and there have been just in the last several weeks, just in the last month, take a look at some of these headlines when it comes to gun violence, it is just one after the other. it seems to really never end. all over this country, what has, michelle, the trauma been like for this country and is it making a difference at all in how people perceive what this level of violence is acceptable? >> well, good morning, abby. it is good to be with you. and it has been a very difficult week. and i'll take the first part of that first. the collective trauma that this country is experiencing, you can't even catch your breath after one shooting before there is another that you're trying to process. it is been reported that there have been, since the trial, since the derek chauvin trial began on march 29th there has
been 64 people killed at the hands of law enforcement. that comes out to about three per day. that is just an astonishing heartbreaking, heart rendering, but hopefully a moment that will lead us to something different. in the city of minneapolis, for instance, there is not a -- there in the twin cities, there is not some person that is not impacted by what is going on. even if you feel like police reform is isn't you haven't cared about or to which you have not paid attention, this is a moment where people across all sectors are waking up and saying something has to be done. and hopefully when we talk about that collective fraction that it will wilinclude the police community, when you see police stations in the twin cities surrounded by barricades and razor wire and fencing looking
like the nation's capitol after january 6th and the people charged with protecting and serving the public are living in fear and rebuke of the public and that just can't stand. >> so what about police reform, toluse, more than half of the people were black or latino. there is also the sense that there is a need for congress to do something. where are we on that? do you think there is any more momentum for reform, bipartisan reform after all of this? >> yeah, abby, you would think there might be some momentum after these videos that have come out, after we have seen so many instances of police killing young people, often unarmed people after a routine traffic stop and it leads to outrage and community protests and then we get to congress and we don't see very much. it does not seem like there is
the momentum to get bipartisan support at this moment and even the white house has not wanted to fully gauge on trying to put a full-court press on getting a relief reform bill across congress to the president's desk. they had an idea of having a commission out of the white house and they put that on ice in part because they wanted to allow the activism to move forward without having police and activists at the table at the same time. so we're pretty far from any type of major legislation. whether it is at the local or state level, where we have seen some reforms, do things like ban choke holds, get rid of the protections that police have after police shootings, so it seems like it is going to be more of a bottom up movement in which the grassroots is able to get some state and local changes but when it comes to congress and even the white house, even though washington is run by democrats that want police reform, it does not appear that
is likely to happen any time soon. >> michelle, you wrote this striking column where you called a loop of death that we are facing, right. we will never escape the loop of death and trauma until we accept the fact that american policing was born out of a system that was established to protect the tenants of white supremacy and control movements and aspirations of black and brown communities that might threaten that status quo. this might not be the mandate of police work today, but it is its origin story until we admit and remove the vestages of that history, we are doomed to live inside of this tragic spin cycle. what you're saying here is a fact. but it does seem like there are not many people, especially on the republican side, willing to even have this conversation. where do you think we go from here? >> well i hope that will change. because when i say that we're
all stuck in this infinite loop of death and trauma, i'm using the collective we. we included in the constitution, every single one of us is impathed, not just the victims but the residents of the cities. not maretter how you look at th, because routes are changed or bus routes are canceled or communities are burned, the police officers involved in the shooting themselves suffer a certain kind of trauma, loss of status, sometimes losing their jobs, even as in the case of kenosha where a police officer was reinstated. all kind of statistics tell us when police are involved in these kind of shootings they do face personal impacts. so i'm hoping that when people look at these numbers, there have a decision that there must be something done. so even if you want to support blue lives, you want to support them by creating a system where there is less loss of life, less trauma and a system that
hopefully will change as to what we said from the bottom up because it is not likely to happen quickly out of congress but hopefully the changes will happen on a local level. >> and one component of that is one issue that i think actually the latest minneapolis shootings that brought up, the brooklyn center police force does not reflect the community that it is in, the city of brooklyn center is 38% white, 29% black and the police force is 77% white and just 9% black. that is one of the many issues that these localities actually have to be the ones to address in terms of the police force reflecting their own communities. but one thing, toluse, as we go into this week, that we are bracing for, the derek chauvin trial is wrapping up and you have this confluence of all of these different events, whether it is chicago, or brooklyn center, or what have you, what
are we bracing for this week could it be a something of a tinder box, maybe even the likes of which we saw last summer with protests pilling out in cities all across the country after george floyd's death. >> there is a lot of angst in the country as this verdict is coming soon and there are a lot of people who are ready to protest. there are already people taking to the streets over the other police shootings that we have seen over the past couple of weeks. and it could be a tinder box, it could be a circumstance in which if this verdict does not go the way that a lot of activists are hoping and saying that the evidence points to, that there could be a spilling out into the streets, major protests, similar to the protest that we saw after george floyd's death because those called for justice for george floyd and anything short of a conviction in the minds of many of the activists and millions of americans would not be justice.
we did see the video of a police officer kneeling on a man's neck for nine minutes and even though the police officers defense attorneys said that he was following his training and he was doing what was necessary and not the first cause, the primary cause of george floyd's death, anything short of a conviction, i believe, would lead to major protests and we would have to sort of wait and see as to how congress, how the white house, how local leaders would respond to that. because if the justice system is not able to give people what they think is necessary in terms of justice, it is not clear that our political leadership is able to do that either. >> well we'll all be -- unfortunately, bracing ourselves for this week but hoping for a certain amount of peace in the streets whether it is in the brooklyn center or minneapolis or what have you. it is a treat to have both of you here this morning. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, abby. >> and coming up next,
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their injections. one woman tragically died and johnson & johnson said there is not enough evidence to conclusively tie the vaccine to the blood clots. even if the vaccine did cause the clots, they are beyond rare. so dr. fauci said the pause should prove how seriously they take safety. >> the fact that this was done would in my mind underscore and confirm how seriously we take safety. even though it is a very rare event, so if anybody has a doubt they may not be taking safety very seriously, i think this is an affirmation that safety is a primary consideration. >> and joining us now is dr. megan ranney, emergency room physician and the dean of brown university of public health dr.
as ashish jha. the cdc vizors won't make again until next friday so this could be out of circulation for almost two weeks at a minimum. are they acting fast enough and what are they waiting for and looking for to make an actual decision here. >> good morning, abby, thanks for having me on. a couple of things. i think the initial pause made sense when we didn't know much about what was happening, just to take a pause to tell doctors about this, this blood clot needs a specific type of treatment, all of that made sense. i think the ten-day delay worries me that the advisory committee is not taking into account the cost of the delay. not everybody could just go ahead and get the moderna and pfizer vaccine, there are a lot of people for whom the j&j vaccine that is safe and effective could not get the shot
if the delay lasts much longer. >> dr. ranney, to that point, is the vaccine worth the risk and people have been asking me, should there be narrowing recommendations who who should get it and who shouldn't. if you have a history of blood clots, if your a pregnant woman where there is a risk of blood clots should there be narrower recommendations for the j&j if it is recirculated into the system. >> that is my best interpretation as to why they are continuing the pause, to narrow the recommendations. identify which populations are at higher risk and allow each of us as americans to make an informed choice. at the end of the day, we're all smart people. we can judge risk versus benefit but if a certain group is at particular high risk of getting blood clots, maybe we shouldn't offer the vaccine to them and we don't know yet, it seems like it is mostly women of child bearing age, that seems like a
conservative recommendation to make, but it is not fully clear and i think that is probably why they're continuing the pause. i'll say for myself, as a woman of child bearing age, if i did not have the option to get vaccinated other than with johnson & johnson vaccine, i would take johnson & johnson because the risk of my catching covid and having something bad happen is higher than that very, very small risk of that unusual blood clot. >> and the risk of blood clots, if you get covid, is very high, right. so dr. jha, what dr. fauci said about vaccine safety does sound logical but it also seems that it is just as likely that some people will say maybe i should wait even longer, maybe the vaccines are not safe. even if the other vaccines are perceived to be safe, then some people may never view the johnson & johnson vaccine as being safe. >> i think that would be
unfortunate if that is what happens. and i think most americans understand that we have a system around vaccine safety that is very, very rigorous. as dr. fauci said, we take one in a million events very, very seriously. these vaccines are exceedingly safe. they're i believe safer than most therapies and vaccines that we have developed in the past. so i hope it gives people comfort but i do worry a little bit there will be people who interpret this in the wrong way. i hope that number is very mall. >> dr. ranney, i want to play this exchange at a congressional hearing between dr. fauci and a republican congressman jim jordan. listen. >> are we just going to continue this forever or when did -- when do we get to the point, what measure, what standard, what objective outcome do we have to reach before americans get their liberty and freedoms back. >> you know, you're indicating liberty and freedom. i look at it as a public health measure to prevent people from
going to -- >> you don't think people's liberties have been assaulted in the past year. >> we're not talking about liberties, we're talking about a pandemic that is killed 560,000 americans. >> and i get that, doctor. >> that is what we're talking about. >> whatever you think of congressman jordan and the outrage in that clip, i do wonder, though, with millions of americans probably asking maybe a similar question, at what point will public health officials say it is okay to lift these restrictions, is there an answer to that? should there be an answer to that? >> i think there is an answer. and the answer that i've been telling folks is that when we get the every american who wants a vaccine has the opportunity to get vaccinated, when we get to around 70% or 80% of american adults vaccinated, we'll start seeing lifting of mask mandates. already we're telling people, once you and your friends or families are all vaccinated, it is safe to get together. you can do that without risk of catching covid for the most
part. and as more and more of us get vaccinated, we're going to be able to expand those recommendations. but we are seeing in michigan and in pennsylvania and elsewhere across the country, the huge danger of lifting those restrictions too soon. and the thing that i remind people is that their not just putting themselves at danger, they're putting those around them in danger as well. as an e.r. doc, i'm still seeing patients come in and get sick and hospitalized in the icu on a daily basis because of covid of those not yet vaccinated. this is not some hand waving gesture. >> there are very high risk things that you could do, especially once your vaccinated. dr. jha, what is high and low in terms of risk is about the infections outdoors. and i know there has been some research on this in the last week. what do you think? should the cdc update its
recommendations on, let's say, mask wearing outside to try to focus people's attention on things that are truly the highest form of risk? >> yeah, abby, i would say we've known for a year that outdoor infections are extremely rare. they only happen when you have large packed rallies for instance. so if you are not participating in one of those, i think it is safe to be out and about walking around without a mask, especially in large parts country where infection numbers are under reasonable control. so i expect over the next few weeks states to start lifting outdoor mask mandates. indoors, of course, is where most of the infections happen so i think that needs to remain for a while longer. but i think we do have to look at outdoor activity and see it as largely as a safe thing unless you have congregations for large numbers of people together for a long period of time. >> we're in this tug-of-war between a sense of hope and
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america's war in afghanistan began 19 and a half years ago in the days after the september 11th attacks. the cost more than 2300 american lives and $2 trillion. it is by far america's longest war, years longer than vietnam, and four times longer than world war ii. there are young men and women serving who watched their parents fight in the very same war or weren't even alive when it began. president biden said it is past time to bring them all home. he announced last week that the withdrawal will be complete in time to mark the 20th anniversary of the september 11th attacks later this year. >> we delivered justice to bin
laden a decade ago and we've stayed in afghanistan for a decade since. since then, our reasons for remaining in afghanistan are becoming increasingly unclear. we cannot continue the cycle of extending or expanding our military presence in afghanistan hoping to create ideal conditions for the withdrawal and expecting a different result. >> joining me now is democratic congresswoman ab gal spanberger, a former cia case officer who sits on foreign affairs committee. congresswoman, thank you for being with us this morning. you started your cia career at the beginning of the war on terror and i know your work remains classified. but fighting terrorism was a major part of it. so i want to ask you, as someone who has dedicated your whole life to this fight, was it worst the cost in blood and in treasure?
>> we had a very clear mandate when the united states of america went into afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks and that was to go after those who gave safe harbor to the perpetrators of 9/11. and ultimately we took on, we the united states of america, we took on years worth of efforts to undo this the strong holds that had given birth to al qaeda, safe harr harbor to al qaeda and allow for the creation of the organizations that would ultimately attack us on 9/11. and so we have achieved the goals that we set out to -- to follow hitting at the heart of al qaeda, killing osama bin laden, going after those who gave safe harbor to the perpetrators of 9/11 and certainly those who perpetrated
that horrific attack and that was the goal set forth, clearly outlined in the 2001 authorization of use of military force and that effort and the thousands of service members who have lost their lives in support of that effort, that effort is one that we achieved and so at this time it is a challenging decision for the president to make, but the decision to bring home and end our military engagement in afghanistan is a decision that has been overdo for some time and difficult and not without risks, i believe it is the right decision at this time. >> there has been some criticism and it is tied to what you were just saying about risks and it is not just from republicans. michelle florinoy was a pentagon official and she was a final to be in a defense position as well but listen what she had to say.
>> we're the boy with the finger in the dike and when we remove that finger, i think the flood is going to come. we have to focus on our interest, which is preventing afghanistan from being a safe haven for terrorism. it is going to be much harder to do that without troops in country. >> are you concerned about that, will pulling out the already low troop levels turn afghanistan effectively into a failed state? >> so, i am concerned about it. at this point, we're talking about fewer than 3,000 soldiers coming out of afghanistan. and i think it is fair. and coming from an intelligence background, as you mentioned i was a former cia officer, our scope is to plan for the possible worse case outcomes but i do think in the case of afghanistan and in the decision that the president has made, it is at this point almost 20 years
and an entire generation of service members who have rotated through afghanistan with a goal that has been met years and years and years ago. and i think an important piece here is that we have many tools that we utilize and while the military members and service members on ground in afghanistan are one part of that, our engagement with afghanistan is not limited to military engagement. it is diplomatic, it is intelligence sharing and engagement through our intelligence community. and so on the ground, our diplomatic and intelligence-based efforts will continue. and i think that notably the biden administration and president biden having served on the foreign relations committee and being vice president of the united states for two terms has a very strong and clear regard for the work of the united states state department and career diplomats. and i think that as we make this transition to pulling out actively engaged military members, that the biden administration will rightly so
lean far more on our diplomats and intelligence officials to ensure that we continue to know what is happening on ground. >> turning to russia, one of the other big geopolitical challenge this is administration has. president biden spoke to putin and suggested a summit between the two leaders but also punished russia for election interference and a role in a massive cyber hack. and the president announced some sanctions. he waned a stable and predictable relationship with russia but these sanctions and the tension that seems to be there, doesn't that seem to escalate tensions? >> so i would argue that the aggressions that we, the united states of america, have felt from russia over the past few years have aggressive actions that cannot go unanswered. we know and it is in the public unclassified threat assess report and it is been documented elsewhere in the public view
that russia sought to influence our elections and in the american electorate, sow discord in the united states and in the '16, '18, and '20 election. and we know there is an effort that the russian government undertook to go after essentially the technology utilized in the united states of america, so that they could have back doors into the computer systems of u.s. government agencies and businesses across the country. this is a direct attack on our information, on our capability and on our government agencies. and previously under the last administration, it went unanswered and in fact, in many cases excused. and so while i do think that we should work toward getting toward a stable place in our relationship with russia, that does not begin by us just ignoring aggressive act after aggressive act. so putting sanctions against
specific russian individuals and companies and expelling ten russian diplomats known to be intelligence officers, i think is a strong showing that we will not permit them or accept them aggressing against us or our democracy and then we move on from there. >> on the domestic front, this past week we've been addressing gun violence and policing and for obvious reasons, the chauvin trial and the deaths, there seems to be urgency behind legislation to overhaul the policeman conduct. the george floyd and justice policing act did pass the house without any republican support. do you think that there are specific provisions as we look toward the senate that we could find compromise on, where you could think you could win gop votes on to get something done.
>> so i refuse to accept that the answer to that question is no. and i was -- we were in washington, i was on the floor of the house talking with colleagues and we were talking about movement on the justice and policing act. there is continued efforts in a bipartisan manner to go through portion by portion the justice and policing act to get it to a point where we can see law pass, that will meaningfully impact our communities that will meaningfully make reforms, that will affirm that we as a nation recognize the significant and desperate impact on black and brown communities and rates by which black and brown men and women die at the hands of police. and i was on house floor having this exact conversation as everyone was reeling from the shooting of daunte wright when a colleague said there is another video coming out and this one is of a child. and there is that moment where
you think, oh, here we go again, this is happening again and of course it was the video of adam toledo being shot in chicago. and so i think the feeling of urgency exists, certainly knowing that the trial of derek chauvin for murdering george floyd is coming to an end, that urgency continues and so there are many people that remain committed, i remain optimistic that we'll get something signed into law because i don't think that there is any alternative. but we did, abby, pass the justice and policing act, the george floyd justice and policing act just this year, again in this new congress and again last year. >> right. >> and continuing to work. >> on the politics of it, though, i mean, right after the 2020 election, you were very frustrated with the rhetoric about defund the police that have come from some of your colleagues like rashida tlaib like this week, what do you
think about where democrats are in terms of the messaging on this issue? do you worry that reform, police reform, can be done or maybe can't be done without being labelled as anti-police? >> i think that this becomes a place where, you know, the real challenge is we have to be clear with the american people. democrats, republicans, everyone, we have to be clear with what we're advocating for and the george floyd justice and policing act as an example provided substantial funding for anti-bias training, for police training, for efforts to reform policing systems. and so recognizing that this is an issue about making positive change, and the two larger communities that i represent and i represent ten counties in total, choke holds and no knock warrants are already not
utilized here locally. so some of what we're talking about, the very procedures that led to the deaths of george floyd or breonna taylor, police departments across the country, many of them already issue some of these tactics. and so talking about our efforts, to say, you know, this is an issue of how do we safely engage in communities, how do we enable police officers to do their job, i have one colleague who is a former police officer who talks about how it is a social contract between the police and the community and if that social contract is broken, the community that is policing does not feel they that trust the police and the police don't trust the people that the whole system degrades and certainly that is what we've seen across the board. and so moving forward, it's about ensuring that people know what it is that we're advocating for, body cameras because
frankly at trosities that we've seen and the hor rors have been possible because of body cameras and far too many police departments across the country don't have access to the resources to be able to have the cameras and or the storage. >> and we will be watching very carefully to see if something is possible on this issue. congresswoman abigail spanberger, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and coming up next, an uproar over proed america first caucus with a nativist mission. new cetn facial collection... delivers lasting 48-hour hydration. hyaluronic acid plus exclusive hydrosensitiv complex... ...replenish & soothe skin. cetaphil. dermatologist recommended. complete hydration for your sensitive skin. there are many reasons for waiting to visit your doctor right now. but if you're experiencing irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue or light-headedness, don't wait to contact your doctor.
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and now for the stories at the top of the political radar this weekend. democrats revolted on friday after president biden did not raise the number of refugees allowed in the u.s. beyond the historically low 15,000 level set by the trump administration. damage control was swift. biden himself said he would raise the cap in a brief q&a with reporters yesterday, and press secretary jen psaki said the administration would announce a final number by may 15th but that biden's earlier pledge to welcome over 60,000 people seemed unlikely. and congresswoman marjorie taylor greene has scrapped a plan for the launch of the america first caucus. punch bowl news obtained a flier promoting the new caucus calling
for a common resect for anglo-saxon political traditions an warning that mass immigration poses a threat to its long term future of america. leader mccarthy tweeted that the republican party is the party of lincoln and more opportunity for all americans, not nativist dog whistles, back with us now is washington post reporter toluse, do they have a problem on their hands with this so-called america first caucus and starting and coming out of existence very quickly? >> well it definitely does have a problem. this new caucus was very much not only nativist but full of dog whistles and a completely racist caucus that was trying to show that republicans are in line with sort of a whites only policy, this this is something that was
rejected not only by democrats but a large number of republicans. they tried to walk it back. as you said, the quiet part has been said out loud. there is a constituency in the republican party. i don't see this going away, even though this caucus seems to have been scrapped for now. >> absolutely. i don't know you can put the genie back in this particular bottle. toluse. coming up next, vice president harris's critical new border diplomacy. at phoenix.edu are you managing your diabetes... ...using fingersticks?
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. vice president harris is still defining her role as the white house' point person, meantime, republicans are rushing to define it for her, using this for attacking not doing more for the surge of the mike grant children. the white house says that's not actually her job. she is focused on the root causes of illegal immigration from central america. >> we sponsor an opportunity as the united states of america with the resources and with the will that we have to provide the people with some hope that if they say at home, help is on the way and they can have some hope that the opportunities and the needs that they have will be met
in some way. >> and joining me now with her reporting and insights is cnn white house correspondent arlette signs. is her job to be the face of this immigration or is it much more narrow than that? it seems there is some confusion about not just republicans but even in the white house. >> the white house is trying to make these chairifications and make it clear she has a tailored approach to this and she has been tasked with handling the diplomacy with these central american countries, similar to a role vice president played under president obama, talking directly with these leaders to try to figure out what can be done in those countries to address those root causes that is prompting these people to travel from their countries and make that journal in i to the u.s.-mexico border. but there have been times, there have been confusion around her
role as you have seen these clarifications after clarifications coming from the white house and, in fact, the vice president, herself, when she was asked about the border this week, she made it clear to say secretary mayorcass is handling theboard border and she is handling the dynamics. >> this is also not exactly a great plum assignment for a vice president. maybe there is never a great assignment, but for joe biden, immigration is actually the place where he has the lowest approval ratings, after the coronavirus pandemic, after healthcare, after the economy, immigration, just 42% approve of his handling of this, so there is a lot of peril here for vice president harris, right? >> we especially see that with the way republicans are branding her as the face of the border. some are flat out calling her a border czar, something they are very quick to push back on.
certainly as someone who is the vice president, who professionally has a future if she decides to run for president down the line. this is something that republicans will continue no matter what, no matter what insistence from the white house that she is handling diplomacy, republicans will keep trying to hang the border issue on her. >> you mentioned secretary mayorkas being in charge of the border. politico had infighting over the crisis in general. some people blaming hhs secretary javier becerra with the mining issue. is there a need for someone like a kamala harris to be the overarching force that is managing the whole of government response. if that's not her job, should it be? >> that's the thing, the white house so far has resisted putting one person in charge of all of this.
you have seen them say secretary mayorkas is handling the border and the hhs shelters. the white house arguing that the vice president's focus will narrowly be on those diplomatic efforts. of course, this is all tied together, right? the question going forward is do they feel the need to have someone overseeing all aspects, dynamics of this, or if they will continue to do it in the multi-official route they say they will be using? >> that thereby their strategy. obviously, this is a big challenge, maybe one of the biggest challenges the biden administration is facing, arlette signs, thank you for being with us. that is it for "politics sunday." join us at 8:00 a.m. eastern and noon eastern time. coming up next, state of the union with jake tapper and dana bash. dana's guests this morning, include dr. anthony fauci and
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