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it is friday nomorning. i'd like to say good friday morning but we're following familiar breaking news this morning. in a week where the u.s. has been grapple with gun violence of many types across the country, stand by. take a breath and take notice. it's happened again in america. as you wake up this morning, we're learning more about another mass shooting. this is the scene. it shows all of the cities where there's been a mass shooting. in just the last 30 days. by cnn's count there have been at least 45 mass shootings since those spa shootings in atlanta on march 16th. it has been just eight days since the last one.
it is happening across the country. the latest tragedy took place at a fedex warehouse in indianapolis. here's what we know. at least eight people have been killed. officials say at least five others were shot and taken to the hospital while two others were treated at the scene. the suspect is dead. police say he may have died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. here's what the police are saying this morning. >> the suspect came into the parking lot and i believe he exited his vehicle and quickly began shooting. it wasn't precipitated by any kind of disturbance or argument. so the first shooting occurred in the parking lot, and then he went inside. >> a witness is saying that a so-called good guy with a gun did try to stop this attacker, but that person was killed as well. there will be a press conference in the next hour. we're going to bring you all the new details as that happens. president biden will be briefed on the shooting this morning.
let's begin with jason carroll. he's following the latest from indianapolis. what do we know about the suspect here and what led to this. >> well, first, let me get to those who survived what happened here, jim, if i may because what we're starting to hear are more and more stories of survival. those who were here at the fedex facility and managed to make it out alive. we can tell you that the fbi is contributing with this investigation. they are going to be lending their efforts. already heard from a source within the indianapolis metropolitan police department who described a horrific scene inside the fedex facility. the suspect, as you heard partially there, once he got to the parking lot, started shooting almost immediately. once he got inside, didn't get far inside. he continued to shoot and shortly at about 11:00 last night, once authorities got here at the scene, the shooter apparently taking his own life. one of the fedex employees that
was here, he survived the shooting. he was not injured. he talked about what he saw, what had happened. he talked about how he was able to get away. but he also talked about someone else who was here. someone who tried to stop the shooter and ended up dying. >> i see a man -- a hooded figure. i was unable to see his face in detail. however, the man did have an ar in his hand. and he started shouting and then he started firing at random directions. but at first, it was at his right. and i thought he saw me, and so i immediately ducked for cover. my friend at the time witnessed a man who was not a part of the incident, but he also pulled out a gun from his truck to try and engage the shooter. and he died because of it.
>> just want to -- a quick note here. police at this point have not confirmed what type of weapon the suspect was carrying. police now say eight people dead. five that number has been updated, five transported to hospital. one of them in critical condition. but it's also clear that there were a number of walking wounded. people who were shot or otherwise hurt who took themselves to local hospitals and so as a result of that, authorities are still trying to get an exact number of those who were injured. we can also tell you that a family reunification site has been set up at a hotel nearby from where we're standing right now. and what's been happening there is a number of family members of fedex employees have been trying to reach their loved ones. but as it turns out, a number of fedex employees aren't allowed to have cell phones on the floor of the facility so when shots rang out and they ran out of the building, they ran out without cell phones. it's been this effort to get some of these fedex employees
reunited with their family members. that effort is under way. we have a quick statement from fedex officials. want to read some of it to you. we're deeply shocked and saddened by the loss of our team members following the tragic shooting at our fedex ground facility in indianapolis. our most heartfelt sympathies with those affected by the senseless act of violence. the safety of our team members is our top priority and we are fully cooperating with the investigating authorities. again, the fbi is now investigating this. joining me investigation, we're expecting a press conference at about 10:30. jim? >> how often have we seen and read and quoted statements like that? 45 mass shootings in the last 30 days. this is an american story. i want to bring in law enforcement analyst jonathan whackrow to speak about this. you served in the secret service. listen, i shake my head because i can't count the number of times i've uttered these words. a mass shooting in america on this broadcast as a reporter, as
an anchor. let's start with this particular scene as we know it. someone with a gun goes to a facility. someone even confronted them outside, that good guy with a gun kind of thing, you know, but that person still died as well. based on the details of this shooting, what can you tell us now about what happened here? >> well, listen, jim, it was only one week ago i was on your show talking about another mass shooting incident. this is becoming too commonplace. time and time again, we are witnessing these tragic incidents which represent now a persistent threat to our communities where no one is immune to this violence. and what we've seen is while the causes of each of these incidents may vary, the outcomes are always consistent. death and injury to the public or employees within a workplace, there's destruction of assets. we need to recognize these consequences and then start managing against it. the common denominator in a majority of these is a gun in
the hands with someone who should absolutely not have it. why do i say it? because it's not normal to go and kill someone. you don't wake up or get up from your couch and decide to go to the fedex facility to go and kill individuals. i mean, targeted violence typically is in response to some type of grievance. in this case, you know, there's a high likelihood that we are going to find out that there was some sort of workplace grievance between this individual and either somebody else or someone management of the facility. that's the common model. but, listen, there's a psychological issue here that, you know, there's a continuum of behavior that we actually need to look at to understand were there red flags before this incident? that's what investigators are going to look at now. the challenges the suspect is dead so we don't get to hear their statements. but we're going to look back at everything about this individual. their friends, their family, online statements, everything about them to see what was
missed before we get to this incident. >> fine. but in every country they have crazy people. all crazy people can get guns. this took place within one to two minutes. eight people dead at least in one to two minutes. we don't know what the weapon was but what indication does that give you about the weapon? >> it's a weapon in the hands of somebody that's motivated to kill, right? >> what kind of weapon, though, jonathan? it's a kind -- if you can kill eight people and injure others in one to two minutes, what does that tell you? this is not a -- we have a reasonable expectation this is something that makes it easy to fire. >> jim, super fair point, and very relevant to this conversation. again, these weapon platforms that have a high rate of fire, high capacity are always part of this conversation. and that has to be something that we look at from the risk management perspective. how do we reduce the level of that type of violence? we have to look at it.
it is part of the conversation. a lot of people don't want to have that conversation. there's politicians that don't have the political will to go up and stand up against these type of weapon platforms that time and time again are part of these violent acts. but it's a two-part process. it's that platform in the hands of somebody that has the intent, the means, opportunity and intent to cause this harm. >> let me ask you this. we often hear, and i've had lawmakers say this to me on this broadcast after one of the countless school shootings we've covered on this network that, well, put guns in the hands of teachers. now we've had in the last month shootings at a spa facility. a doctor killed in his home. i was driving to work yesterday. my path was blocked near the national cathedral because of a road rage incident someone took out a gun and shot someone else. now a fedex facility. and we had someone here with a gun confront the shooter and die. is the good guy with the gun
stopping the bad guy with the gun a sufficient response to this kind of gun violence in your view? >> listen, you know, when i hear that statement, you know, people are looking for that one singular answer to solve for this problem. a good guy with a gun isn't present all the time. so that's not part of the mitigation strategy. you can't build a national strategy around having a good guy with a gun that's present at all times when these incidents happen. remember when we started this conversation, this is a persistent threat that is present in every part of our community. so what are we going to do? arm our entire nation with guns? we'll have shootouts everywhere. that's just not feasible. it's not a rational conversation. we need to start having rational conversations about smart gun control, but also thinking about how do we take a whole of community approach to address these behavioral issues by individuals prior to them getting to the point where they
transcend into these violent acts. >> sure. yeah. some places don't even have waiting periods. you're angry. go get a gun, go use it. jonathan wackrow, glood to have you on. president biden will be briefed this morning on this latest mass shooting in america. won't be the first time a president has been briefed on something like this. cnn's jeremy diamond is live at the white house. jeremy, this comes in the midst of a continuing effort by the white house and democrats to push forward background checks legislation, which is one piece of legislation that has some bipartisan support. does this change the dynamic there at all? does it increase the urgency in the white house? >> i think it's hard to see how this changes the dynamics on capitol hill. we may see more executive action from the white house on gun reform actions. it was just a week ago yesterday that the president took a half dozen executive actions on guns, including going after those ghost guns which can
self-assembled, don't have serial numbers and aren't treated as firearms and the pistol stabilizing braces like the shooter in boulder, colorado, used. this is a white house that knows that more mass shootings are going to happen in this country, especially as we return to the prepandemic normal. sadly mass shootings are a part of that prepandemic normal as well. they have been looking at other executive actions that president biden might be able to take in the wake of additional mass shootings. what we know is that president biden is expected to be briefed this morning in detail on this situation that happened in indianapolis on this mass shooting. already his white house chief of staff ron klain, a hoosier and an indianapolis native himself, he has already been in touch with the mayor of indianapolis and the homeland security adviser has also been in touch with law enforcement officials. i would expect that we will hear from president biden at some point today on this shooting. either when he meets with the
japanese prime minister later today at the white house or perhaps before then. but as of now, we know the president waking up this morning to another mass shooting in america and he is expected to be briefed in detail later this morning. jim? >> the president is and we all are. jamie damd,idimon, thanks very . this time a 13-year-old boy shot and killed while running away from police. was the shooting justified? as the police are claiming here. we'll look at the circumstances here with others and former officers as well. and researchers are testing the pfizer vaccine now in children as young as 2. as the company's ceo says that it may be necessary to have an annual booster shot following initial vaccinations. we'll dig into what that means for you and me.
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chicago police say that body cam footage shows that less than one second passed between the time 13-year-old adam toledo was seen by police holding a gun and the time that he was then shot and killed by a police officer. that officer has now been named by police overnight. a lawyer representing him calls the situation tragic, but says that his client was placed in a situation where he was left with no choice. cnn's ryan young joins me now from chicago. we do want to warn our viewers the video you're about to see is disturbing. the reason we're showing it is it shows the details, what led up to this shooting and what happened in that moment. ryan, help walk us through this
here. it is shocking to see. i watched it. made my stomach turn, but the circumstances around it are important to watch. >> yeah, it absolutely is. look, any time you talk about a 13-year-old being shot your heart drops. and you think about this. if you watch the video all the way through, without any freeze frames, it's hard to kind of figure out what's going on. this all happens in under 20 seconds to put this in some sort of perspective. it's when you slow it down you can see some of the things that police are saying. in fact, there was a lot of folks who watched this that said they didn't even see the gun. now when you highlight certain facts of it you can see the story that police are trying to put out. the tragic final moments of a 13-year-old boy's life unfolding in just 19 seconds. chicago police releasing this video camera footage, and we warn you that it's disturbing showing officer eric stillman responding to a shots fired call before chasing one of the two suspects down in an alley.
>> police, stop! stop! hey, show me your [ bleep ] hands. stop! shots fired. shots fired. get an ambulance over here. >> the officer fired a single fatal shot into the chest of adam toledo. he was pronounced dead at the scene. >> no parents should ever have a video broadcast widely of their child's last moments. much less be placed in a terrible situation of losing their child in the first place. >> reporter: chicago police say toledo had a gun in his hand before the shooting and that they recovered one from just behind the fence highlighting it in this video edited and re released by the department. it appears to show toledo had his hands up and was not holding anything at the time he was
shot. a crucial detail his family's attorney says is important in the investigation. f. >> if he had a gun, he tossed it. the officer said show me your hands. he complied. he turn ed around. >> reporter: they agreed to the release of the video after a meet with the mayor's office earlier this week. now the officer is on administrative leave. his attorney saying he was left with no other option saying stillman was well within his justification of using deadly force. but for protesters and toledo's family, there are questions about his death that need to be answere answered. >> all i know is the officer is trained to not shoot an unarmed individual. not shoot an unarmed child. >> jim, this is, obviously, a tough story. you think about how this is all connected. especially the mistrust in the community towards the police
department. you may remember there was a name that was out there, laquan mcdonald. they believe there was a cover-up there. this is what the community has been talking about in terms of that relationship between the police department. so you have some people who mistrust what the police department is putting out right now. when you think about all the violence in this city, over 760 people killed last year, there is an epidemic when it comes to gun violence. but the big conversation right now is exactly what's happening in those seconds of the video, that split-second decision. it's something that's going to be debated for quite some time. >> ryan young, thanks very much. with us is cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey who led police departments in philadelphia and washington, d.c. chief, great to have you on this morning. you watched this. i know you don't celebrate or welcome any incidents that end in this way, but you watched this and said that based on the circumstances, it makes for reasonable shooting by the officer involved. tell us why you believe that.
>> yeah, and that hasn't changed. and i've seen it several times. i've seen several different videos. if you go to chicago copa, the civilian office of police accountability, they have several videos that are posted. full disclosure, i'm from chicago. i spent 30 years in the chicago police department. i broke in, in the district where this occurred, but i do not know any of the officers involved in this. so i just want to get that out there. when i reviewed all the footage, including what led up to it, and that is the shooting -- the shots fired that took place that the 13-year-old and the adult were involved in, along with the chase, the young man had a gun. this is at 2:50 in the morning, by the way. a 13-year-old with a 21-year-old at 2:50 a.m. i think that's important to note. he's running down the alley. the officer is in pursuit. he has a gun in his right hand. he gets to a location of a fence. it's a wooden fence but it's got an opening and you can see when
you look at the video from the school behind the fence, he gets there and he starts to turn and at the same time there's a motion where he tossed something and then immediately puts his hands up, almost in a single motion. the officer doesn't see that because he can't see what's going on behind the fence. he fires. it's less than a second. 832 milliseconds that this took place. and the officer, i think, his actions were reasonable. it's tragic. but at the time the shooting took place, i think the actions of the officer were reasonable under the circumstances. tragic circumstances, but this is not criminal. >> as you were speaking, chief ramsey, we were showing that video there. perhaps again for clarity we can show it again. this is just to the right of the fence that the teen was standing by before -- rather after, but the allegation here is that he dropped this weapon before he raised his hand. there is the weapon that police say was in his hand prior.
i want to ask you this because it comes down to literally one second here, right, in that he appears to have the weapon. turns around. drops it or tosses it based on the video we have behind the fence. by the time he raises his hand, he is no longer holding a weapon. that's what his lawyer is emphasizing here. from a police officer's perspective, does he or she have to look in that moment and say, well, the hands are empty now, or out of an abundance of caution say, this person just had a weapon within the last second, right, i have to take steps to protect myself? i'm just curious what the training is, in that moment, and i suppose also a practical question is how quickly do we expect police to respond to a change in circumstances there in that split second? >> well, first of all, if the officer knew his hands were empty, he wouldn't have fired. but the last time he saw that right hand it had a gun in it. he spun around. it's less than a second. police officers, despite
training, are human beings and your reflections and actions are similar to what they'd be with anyone. i don't know how many people have chased an armed person down an alley at night. i have. and i understand the stress. i understand all that. and now you know he's 13. you don't know any of that at the time you're chasing. and you don't have the benefit of watching video and replaying it over and over again, slowing it down, blowing it up or whatever. you just don't. you're in the moment. and it's unfortunate. and it's tragic. there's absolutely no question about it. and i am sure that officer wishes it never happened. the other part of this that's important at some point in time for someone to show. he immediately calls for an ambulance and personally begins cpr. in fact, several officers take turns administering cpr to this young man. and everything they can to save his life. and i think that that's an important piece of this, to take -- you have to look at all the facts and circumstances around this case. but when i look at it, i think it's reasonable. i think it's tragic.
but it is what it is. and 2:50 a.m., a 13-year-old hanging out with a 21-year-old who just moments before fired several rounds at a car that was going down the street which was also on video, i mean, it's tragic. >> i hear you. and i did watch the video. you're right, in the moment immediately following after, the officer is asking him to look him in the eye. applies cpr and prior, as you noted, police heard and documented shotguns prior to this incident. always good to draw on your experience. >> thank you. well, researchers are taking a big step when it comes to getting children vaccinated. this as we learn you may need a coronavirus booster shot, sort of like a flu booster shot following vaccination in the years to come. we'll have the details on those possible recommendations, next.
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there is a big step in the race to vaccinate america. researchers at stanford medicine and cincinnati children's hospital say they have begun pfizer vaccine trials in children as young as 2 years old. stanford medicine tells cnn it is one of five sites now participating in a phase one trial in children younger than 5. researchers began administering doses to participants in that age group just on wednesday. it's early. there's one of them. joining me now, the professor of medicine and surgery at george washington university. dr. reiner, good to have you on. we've seen these kind of trials in other children a bit older, above 5, above the age of 12,
the results have been great and there really haven't been any incidents of health problems here. where does this put the timeline on getting american children vaccinated? how soon can parents expect this to be available? >> right. so pfizer has already applied for an eua for adolescents. 12 to 15. and we should have that very, very soon. so that's great. so basically middle school and high school kids will be vaccinated this summer almost certainly. now the schallenge is to get th rest of the kids down to 6 months. i don't think we'll have that data until this fall. it's important to remember that little kids just aren't small adults. and it's crucial to understand what the right dose of the vaccine is for children. and the only way is to trial it. we're doing this the right way, safely, but some time this fall we'll be able to vaccinate probably children as young as 6 months. >> wow. that's incredible. i do want to ask you about what
the pfizer ceo is saying about the vaccinations for adults. saying that it may be possible that 6 to 12 months after getting vaccinated, you would need a booster shot. now this is something that's been talked about as you know better than me prior because that's the way it is with flus. every year there are new flus out there. you have to get a new flu shot. do you find this being likely that after we get vaccinated this time we might have to get a booster again? and can the country handle it? this has been a national effort to get the country its first doses. can it do it every year? >> right. so i think, again, i think we still don't know how long the immunity with these vaccines will last. we have very good data that suggests that people retain very robust immunity out to six months and very soon we'll have 12-month data because let me remind you the trial started a year ago. so we'll have one-year data out
very soon. but, look, the virus changes. and it's very likely that we will need booster shots that are tailored to the newest variants. but, look, vaccines are our friends. when was the last time you saw somebody with polio or with smallpox? right? so we need to get over the politicization of science and vaccines and understand that this is our way forward. it's not a burden to get a vaccine. we all get flu vaccines, or we should, every year. this year there was almost no flu. in part because of vaccines and in part because of masks. so, yeah, it's not a burden to the national conscience that need vaccines every year. >> it's a way we've eliminated diseases and then, sadly, because of vaccine hesitancy, often based on misinformation, those diseases come back. it's a sad fact of the america we live in today. dr. reiner, let's hope the science wins out. thanks very much. >> my pleasure. jurors are set to determine
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manslaughter. he faces a maximum of 40 years in prison if convicted of the most serious charge. joining me, laura coates, former federal prosecutor. laura, good to have you on. let's begin with the defense. the defense job here, you know, they have a lower threshold, lower standard. they just have to raise a reasonable doubt. and the way they've tried to do that is by saying that perhaps floyd died not of the knee on the neck but maybe his drug use. maybe his heart issues, maybe even carbon monoxide poisoning from the police chooser nearby. i just wonder, did they potentially prove that argument? >> i don't think they firmly planted a single seed of doubt here. it's one thing to offer different alternatives but you actually have to be compelling and persuasive. and jurors are looking to have the defense case compared to what they've already seen in the prosecution's case. and think about it, it's about quality and quantity. and what we saw in terms of the
prosecution's case was extraordinarily compelling testimony from very credible experts who were able to relay their expertise and their opinions in a very compelling way. when you think about the way it was relayed on the defense side, there were a lot of questions left unanswered. now jurors are, of course, wild cards so there's never a way to tell, but ask yourself out there in the public, what do you remember about this case? i bet 99.999% of you remember only the prosecution's case. have a firm grasp of even what the defense strategy was. >> okay. as you know, chauvin faces three different charges here. second-degree unintentional murder, second degree murder and third-degree manslaughter charges. based on the legal standards for each, and again, as you say, juries are unpredictable. they're 12 human beings. which are those charges do you believe the prosecution met the
standard for? >> i think they met their elemental burden for each of these charges. the problem is we know there are these three charges but the statements, the actual named charges never really came up during the trial. so the jurors now to have to he the story and be reminded through the testimony but the prosecution has got to be able to point out which facts correspond to which element. that's part of what the closing argument burden is going to be about. it's threading the testimony and corroborating testimony and cumulative testimony but also when you go back, you'll get three charges. the elements will be written out for the jurors. they'll have to figure out what part and what aspect of the prosecution's case lines up with particular elements. that's going to be the onus continuing on the prosecution in this case to make sure they are clear. if the jurors are not left trying to scratch their heads or wonder, did this fact go to this? did this witness bring this point up? which proves this? that will be part of what the
closing argument must be about. >> the closing arguments begin on monday. may end on monday. so deliberations could begin the next day in effect. again, i'm asking you to read tea leaves based purely on your experience, but does time become an issue in terms of reading the likely outcome, how long deliberations last, for instance? >> yes. that and juror questions. when jurors ask questions, and request particular exhibits or evidence to come back to them, it might signal that there's something that they are grasping or trying to reconcile. but also remember, jurors are instructed, jim, when they go back there, they can't all just say okay, everyone in favor of charge one, raise their hand. charge two, charge three. they are told they must go methodically through each aspect of the element. they can't just take a survey and decide from there. some jurors have done that in the past and not followed the instructions. you'll see at least a comprehensive review. but i'll be looking for how many questions, which questions, and
if the jury has questions about, say, what happens if we can't agree on a charge, your honor, that's going to be a red flag. >> yeah, for sure. >> listen, it's already shorter than we expected. initially we'd been talking about four weeks. a couple of weeks in and they're already going to deliberations next week. laura coates, thanks very much. >> thank you. president biden is calling for the de-escalation of tensions with russia after the white house imposed new sweeping sanctions on moscow and the kremlin. russia seemingly not heeding that call. we'll discuss with james clapper. groundbreaker. just look at the way she's reshaping, and reimagining, her 4 acre slice of heaven. it's not hard to tell she's the real deal. renae runs with us on a john deere 1 series tractor, because out here, you can't fake a job well done. nothing runs like a deere.
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temporarily block parts of the black sea to foreign warships conducting military exercises. this move comes after this week, the u.s. deciding against sending two war ships into the area due to concerns about escalating russia he massed tens of thousands of forces along the border. of and president biden called for a deescalation of tensions between the u.s. and russia after he announced sweeping new economic sanctions against moscow for, among other things, the solar wind cyber attack, election interference again in 2020 and its occupation of ukraine. joining me to zrudiscuss is genl clapper. >> good morning. >> as you know, the u.s. tried sanctions before against russia.
economic sanctions, expelling diplomats, the obama administration, the trump administration. and now the biden administration. but russia's continued to antagonize. they continued all the activities. will these new sanctions be in i different? >> i don't know that they'll actually change the russian behavior. i do think that this is very significant because it marks the stark contrast with the previous administration. and it is the measure to this. it's important to remember for the russians this is a student review from a country they always sought to be perceived as equal. i think what the biden administration is doing is
establishing a plateau and there are concerns. and in the process, invoking some stiff sanctions with the promise of more to come. so i think this is very important. by the way, it's not surprising that president biden is doing this because a lot of what he's doing now are very consistent with the views he held as vice president and i served with him. >> the biden administration tiptoes into an area of sanctions that the u.s. has avoided before. which is to begin to deny russia access to international financial markets, particularly in here. too much detail for now. but does that have potential real consequences? this is about going after the russian government money but also very wealthy russians, putin among them, the oligarchs that stand to lose from this. >> yeah. absolutely, jim. and i recall the discussions
that we had in 2016 about what to do about the russian interference in the election. and this topic came up. and to be frank, we shoed away from it. to me this is really sticking it to the russians. and there's a real message here. to the extent that we can strain their ability to interact in the international financial system, that has -- that is a poke in the eye. >> and it's a tactic the u.s. used against iran too. in treasury department report released yesterday, conjunction with the sanctions, was not new intelligence. the intelligence appears to be four or five years old. but a new revelation of intelligence confirming that president trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort gave to russian intelligence internal trump campaign polling data which is something that the
question is did that help russia interfere more smartly in the 2006 election? even mueller didn't go there in terms of finding this kind of information. what does that do to the no collusion argument we heard from trump and his allies in the last five years? >> well, first, point out that the committee for intelligence did make that point. and if the campaign manager for the trump campaign providing se sensitive polling data to a russian individual has connections with russian intelligence, that in collusion i don't know what is. so it's not new. but just have it reaffirmed, i think, is just emphasizes that there was some form of collusion between the campaign manager and the russians. >> this is intel that existed
for a number of years. it's coming out now. it's not new untell jens. doesn't appear to be. does this indicate to that you trump appointees in the intelligence agency, rick rinell among them that followed you it was out there. the committee for intelligence dined it out. they called attention to it. i think there's a distinction between the existence of the intelligence and what may or may not have been done to suppress it. >> yeah. well, open questions. but certainly interesting related to how -- the extent of thatten could tact between the trump campaign and russia in
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