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i want to thank you for watching. look, these are hard times. we all know that. it's not because we're making them hard times, it's what we decide to make them together. to pick up that question is the big show, "cnn tonight" and its big star, d. lemon. >> this is tough, chris, because, you know, not all police shootings are equal. and it's really tough when you look at that video, if i'm a police officer out there, if i'm anyone out there and there's been a shooting and season is running and you see -- regardless of the 13-year-old. 13-year-old's life gone, tragic. but if someone's running with a gun and they turn around, police officers have to make decisions in split seconds. that's why i'm not a police officer because i couldn't face that kind of pressure and i just quite frankly don't believe that i could do the job. that's why i sit here on tv and
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analyze it and talk to people about it. i'm not sure i can make that decision. but when you look at the video and you look at in an instant -- the officer probably doesn't know that the kid is 13, right? >> not what he's chasing him. >> not what he's chasing him. >> and there was no description of the kids who were this, the 21-year-old and this kid. it was just that they saw them at the scene and had been identified as a shooting and then they ran, so they chased him. one kid was detained at the scene and we saw what happened with this one. now, look, it's important that you point out that not all shootings are the same. >> no. >> they're all tragic. they all sicken you. and they sicken the people involved in the shootings also. this officer was there. he had to administer aid at the scene. he was visibly distressed. he had to get help himself afterwards. so there is agony on many sides after these events. but this is not derek chauvin
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and this is not -- >> no. >> -- analysis at this point. we don't know if there is any legal aspect to this beyond the investigation. but the video helps us understand it in a way that if we had to go on just what people say, i don't know how we ever made it through any of the calls. the kid is going to be analyzed in one of two ways by the investigators. did the officer reasonably believe that when he said stop, stop, drop it, that the kid had something and he turned, or the kid listened to you. you saw him drop the gun, you turned, there was nothing in his hand. >> even in that, though, chris, how does one know? if you are a police officer, if you're anyone, if someone comes into your house and you're like drop the gun and they turn around, you don't know if they're following your command or you don't know -- you understand what i'm saying? >> absolutely.
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>> so again -- >> and you have 0.8 seconds to decide. >> and you have an instant to decide. there are a couple things. i agree that it's tough. i understand why the officer is upset. the officer doesn't know the kid is 13. he doesn't know he's 21. the whole idea of, well, the kid should've been in school and it's a gang member, we don't need to go there at this point. there's no need to go there at this point. and i understand that there are circumstances -- i used to live in chicago. i know the dangers of chicago streets. i did a thing on cnn on chicago and guns a couple times on chicago and guns and gang violence. as i was out shooting, it got so dangerous they had to pull us in and they said you got to get out of here because you're in danger. having worked on the streets locally for years, i know the dangers of chicago and the problems that they face there intimately. but i think at this point we cannot judge all police shootings, we cannot put them
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all in the same realm. they make split-second decisions and sometimes they're tragic, sometimes they're warranted, and sometimes they're not. it's terrible that this is a 13-year-old boy and his family is suffering. but we have to see what happens. look, i wouldn't want to be a police officer. i just would not want to be a police officer. >> you know what they'll say to you? >> what? >> you would have when i joined, but not now. and then they'll immediately say thanks to people like you. >> i don't think that's right. i don't believe that. look -- >> i'm telling you that's what they say. >> i know that's what they say, but no profession is beyond approached or can't be improved. i know there are different circumstances for different professions. i did not sign up to go into danger as a police officer. i did sign up to go into danger possibly if we have to go to war, out there on the streets and cover it. but that is not in my job
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description. that is in a police officer's job description. it's also to keep the peace. it is also part of their jobs to be able to make those split-second decisions and make the right decision. so while we're saying, hey, it's tough, i don't know what i would do, police officers are trained to do that. i'm not. the average person is not trained to do that. >> that's right. >> so that's part of the job. because they were able to do whatever they wanted with impunity, we don't live in those times now and we should not have been living in those times. thank god for these things so that it can either exonerate a police officer or if they did something wrong, it can help. >> in this case, i think that body camera footage is going to wind up leading investigators to say this is terrible, i think he hadn't shot, but i understand why he did. if he hasn't had the body camera footage, i think he would have
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been in a very difficult situation. i believe in it, i always have, transparency is always the key for people who don't want to be set up and who want the truth to prevail. but i understand why anthony barkdale, former acting commissioner in baltimore, he says, hey, i've been in that situation. when the guy turned around, there was no gun in his hand and when the guy turned around, there was a gun in his hand, and in both situations, i didn't shoot. so just because the guy has a gun in his hand doesn't mean i'm going to shoot you because you're doing what i'm telling you to do. and so he does not say you get a pass every time that there might be a chance that somebody has a gun. and it is a right conversation to say, look, let's not go into the gang banging and the school. true, except it does. and the head of the union said to me tonight what if it was a 40-year-old guy, we wouldn't be having this conversation, that's not fair. maybe it isn't, but that it's a
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kid matters, and maybe if it was a guy who looked like a cop, he would have acted differently >> yeah. >> those are the kinds of conversations -- because it's not about being a bigot, it's about your conditioning, your mind-set. >> no, it's about being a bigot. >> it can be, but it doesn't have to be. >> again, look, i don't think that it is time -- look, you're a police officer. let the experts make a decision about when people should be going into school and parents and what have you. if you're coming on to talk about what happened, talk about that situation, don't go beyond your expertise. and don't judge people for whatever. the kids aren't in school, whatever, we're in the middle of a deadly pandemic. i don't know. i'm not an expert. i don't know when people should come back into the office. i certainly have an opinion, but i'm no expert, so i'm not going to go beyond my expertise. as far as the kid and he's got a tattoo or whatever, sure, 13-year-olds, yeah, they're involved in gangs sometimes.
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but we don't know that about this kid. until we find that out, there's no need for him -- it doesn't help his case to come on television right now when it appears -- i'll be honest. it appears that the officer probably -- probably made the right decision. he doesn't need to go that far. don't overplay your hand. that's all i'm saying. >> look -- >> i got to go. >> i wouldn't say the right decision. i would say the decision he made will be found to be justified. >> justified, same thing. that's what i mean. i'm glad we're having this conversation because this is what people are talking about. either you're for the police or against the police. and it's not that simple. nothing is black and white. these situations are nuanced and you have to take every single one on its own merits. >> iwe got to get better. >> you say justified, maybe you're right. i think in the end, i think that it may come out that way. >> i don't know if it was
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justified. i'm saying it won't be that they say you did the right thing. >> the shooting was justified, yeah. >> and it was a reasonable judgment. >> but at this point it's got to be investigated and we've gone on a long time. >> a lot of questions in this one. >> but i do love the conversation have this is a conversation everyone is hiring. it's not so cut and dry every time someone is shot that the police are vilified for it. >> i got stopped on the street today and i said i know you haven't been telling don you love him because times have been heavy, that was a mistake, and that's one you need to say and they were right. i love you, don lemon. >> i love you too. appreciate the conversation and the frankness. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. this is how people talk. so, you know, hold your -- you wouldn't be doing this or this, or you're against the police officers. no, none of that is true. police officers have very tough jobs. parents have very tough jobs. i'm not judging the family, the kid, none of it, nor the police
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in this situation. but you got to look at that video tonight. there's new video and it's out of chicago. it's a police body cam video. it's released showing this fatal shooting of this 13-year-old boy named adam toledo. it happened on march 29th. police say it shows that less than a second passed, less than one second. now, imagine how quick that is. that's a second. from when the 13-year-old is seen holding a handgun until an officer fires a single fatal shot that hits him in the chest. now, this footage shows that the officer who fired the shot repeatedly shouting that he said at the young 13-year-old to stop. and then he says "show me your effen hands." and it shows toledo with something in his right hand as the officer yells at him to stop. i'm going on and on about this.
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forget what's in the prompter. play it so the people can see it as we're talking about it because they don't want to see my in case. they want to see the video. there it is. police say what's in toledo's hand was a gun that was later recovered from behind the fence. now, you're looking at this body cam video right now. i should've warned you that it is very disturbing and very graphic. is there sound on this or is it silent? okay. okay. the sound is coming. there it is. >> 10-01? >> so there is a gun that they say was recovered. officers responded and they responded to an alert of shots, right, on chicago's west side. can we play that again? let's listen to it. this is the part that's synilen.
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so they're running down the alley. >> stop! stop right [ bleep ] now! show me your [ bleep ] hands. stop it, stop it. [ gunshot ] >> 10-01. >> that's how fast it happens. that's the gun allegedly that the kid had, right? they say he threw it away when he turned around. he's the thing. if you talk to law enforcement or anyone who has had any, you know, sort of relationship with what happens on the street or what can happen, we don't know in this situation. if you're a 21-year-old, you have a gun, you're going away. if you're a 13-year-old, a juvenile, maybe not. you hand it off. that's what typically can happen. not sure that's what happened in this situation. it is allegedly that he handed it off to the 13-year-old. those are the reasons why. people who were involved in that kind of thing, if you're older and you are of age, what do you do with a gun?
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you give it to someone who's underage and they don't face the time and you don't as well. now, the lawyer for the family is insisting that the 13-year-old complied with the officer's command in his final moments. watch this. >> if he had a gun, he tossed it. the officer said show me your hands, he complied. >> so that has yet to be played out and we will see. there's still a lot of questions about exactly what happened in this case. we're going to go live to chicago in just a moment. we'll go there live from someone who's been covering chicago for quite some time. that is happening as we look live right now when things usually start to pop off in minnesota in brooklyn center. we're hoping that does not happen, obviously. but you can hear and see the folks there on the street, fifth straight night of protests in brooklyn center, minnesota, over the deadly police shooting of daunte wright. protesters in the streets, families are in mourning right now. police all across the country
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preparing for the unrest that they feared that might come when there is a verdict in the derek chauvin trial. just a few miles away from where daunte wright was shot. daunte wright's funeral planned for next thursday as a new ex-police officer who shot him, kim potter, charged with second degree manslaughter. made a brief first court appearance by video today. there's a court sketch. but daunte wright's anguished mother says there may never be justice for his family. >> everybody keeps saying justice, but unfortunately, there's never going to be justice for us. justice isn't even a word to me. i do want accountability, 100% accountability, like my sister said. the highest accountability. but even then, when that happens, if that even happens, we're still going to befury our
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season. we're still never going to be able to see our baby boy that we're never going to have again. so when people say justice, i just shake my head. >> how can you hear her and not feel that mother's pain at losing her baby boy? anyone would. anybody would. and all these stories that we talk about in george floyd, in ahmaud arbery, in breonna taylor, daunte wright, we need to see people's humanity, regardless of what you think about them, and that's up to you. that's up to you, yourself, your god, whatever, whatever you think about. we need to see each other's humanity. if you are a parent, if you are a human being and have a heart, how can you not feel for that mother? it makes you think of george floyd in his last moments calling out for his mother while derek chauvin kneeled on his
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neck for 9 minutes, 29 seconds, squeezing the life out of him. for the first time in almost three weeks of testimony, chauvin spoke. we got to hear him. he spoke in court today to take the fifth. >> i will invoke my fifth amendment privilege today. >> closing arguments in the case set for monday. you may think i'm preaching to the choir here, but this is how deep this goes, okay? so you know pat robertson. you know pat robertson, televangelist, controversial figure. he's about as conservative as they come. here's pat robertson with an impassioned plea to end the police violence, pat robertson. >> i am pro-police, folks. i think we need the police. we need their service, and they do a good job. but if they don't stop this
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onslaught, they cannot do this. the police in virginia picked up a lieutenant in the army and began to give him trouble. our state police are highly trained, but why they stopped -- and this thing is going on in minnesota. but derek chauvin, they ought to put him under the jail. he's caused so much trouble by kneeling on the death of george floyd. it's just -- on his neck. it's just terrible what's happening, and the police, why don't they open their eyes to what their public relations are? they got to stop this stuff. >> open their eyes. pat robertson. now, listen. pat robertson is talking to police saying police are somehow justifying what happened to george floyd and what happened in all these shootings.
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should he be talking to evangelicals? conservatives? to white folks? who should -- he says police should open their eyes. police aren't the only people to open their eyes. i know it sound like i'm preaching. we need to see each other's humanity because regardless of whatever color that person is on the ground, if there's a knee on the neck, someone is squeezing the life out of him, you need to see their humanity. if they are a 21-year-old who does something many 21-year-old young people do, that is, make wrong decisions, you need to see their humanity. even if they're a 13-year-old, you believe they have a gun, still, that person has a family. see their humanity.
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so pat robertson is saying police officers need to do -- a lot of people need to do it. it can't just be black people. who see that there is a problem here. i hope you listened to all of that. we got a lot to do tonight because we got to get live to chicago, this latest fatal police shooting of a 13-year-old. we'll go live there. we're also live on the ground in brooklyn center where protesters are out in the street for a fifth night after the shooting of daunte wright. >> what is justice? do we get to see daunte's smile? we don't get to see that. do we get to hear daunte joke again? we don't get to hear that. if you love it, spoon it. introducing colliders. your favorite candy flavors twisted, chopped or layered into a dessert that's made to spoon.
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. two cities in this country, first one in chicago. that's the latest one. it's on edge tonight. that city is on edge after police released body cam video showing a police officer fatally shooting a 13-year-old boy. they say less than a second passed from when the 13-year-old, they say, is seen holding a handgun until the officer fired a single fatal shot that hit him in the chest. lawyer for the boy's family disputing he had a gun in his hand in that last second. our ryan young is there right now in chicago. ryan, you covered this city for
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a long time. you know it very well. take us into this case. what happened? what do we know? >> reporter: i will in just a second. this is a protest that was walking through the city streets for the last hour and a half as these protesters wanted their voices heard for adam. they have just decided to stop the protest for this evening. they are surrounded by police officers. they're in the middle of michigan avenue, so you understand how busy this street normally is. don, this video is gripping because, obviously, you have a 13-year-old who gets shot. police say he had a gun in his hand. you also have to think about the officer who had to make a split-second decision when he thought or saw that gun in the hand. you think about he responded to a shots fired call. watch the video for yourself and then we'll talk about it on the other side. >> stop! stop right [ bleep ] now!
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hands! show me your [ bleep ] hands. drop it drop it! [ gunshot ] . >> 10-01? >> reporter: so i want to be clear here, don. they were responding to a shots fired call because their shotspotter technology throughout the city -- so when gunshots are fired, police are able to respond quickly. the officer knew he was responding to a call of a shots fired. this is a still frame from the chicago police department. they say it identifies the gun the officer was confronted with. the folks in this crowd believe the young man was dropping the gun and was not turning toward the officer. but you're talking about this all happened in less than two seconds, so what else would officers be able to do in a moment's notice like this. the people here right now are announcing plans for a demonstration tomorrow because there was thoughts that this would be a large demonstration, but you can see how small this
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crowd is right now. they believe the crowd could be larger tomorrow. there are downtown businesses that have boarded up parts of their businesses to make sure people couldn't break in like what happened over the summer. but that did not happen tonight. everything's been peaceful. they've been surrounded by police officers as they've been walking down the street. but obviously a lot of conversations in a city full of gun violence about what could have been done to stop this from happening. it's a conversation we've had for quite some time when it comes to violence in the. >> i i want to get to brooklyn center because the curfew is coming. are you on grand park, michigan avenue? >> reporter: as you can see, there's the bean, it's right over there on michigan avenue. >> yeah. >> reporter: absolutely. >> thank you, sir. we'll get back to you. thank you, ryan. appreciate it. protesters are out on the streets of brooklyn center, minnesota, for a fifth straight night in a row angry over the police shooting of daunte wright.
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let's go to omar jimenez. good evening to you. so i want to know what you're seeing because usually about now police are trying to get them out of there, the protesters are usually pretty adamant that they don't want to go. what's happening? >> reporter: that's right, don. we're about a half hour away from a curfew put in place by the mayor just a few moments ago. i want to show you what the scene is outside of the brooklyn center police department. this is now a fifth night in a row. people want to make their presence known. you see the signs, all of them being held in the face of the officers on the other side of this fence here. again, all in the name of daunte wright, the first demonstrations we saw were that sunday afternoon. and they have been here every single night snow or shine as we've seen over the past few days in a row. they projected signs onto buildings saying "justice for daunte." when we talk about the approaching curfew and how these officers and law firm want them so much to get out of here, i
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don't think we are going to see that by the time we get to curfew. they have stood in the face of law enforcement even as they have fired tear gas and flashbangs into the crowd. they have not backed down, even to the point of getting arrested. we've seen dozens of arrests, so we'll keep an eye on things. tensions are very high in the minneapolis area here, and i don't think they're going anywhere anytime soon. >> thank you very much, omar. we'll get back to you throughout the evening as we continue live here on cnn. emotions are raw. tensions are high in minneapolis tonight. the ex-officer appearing in court as the defense rests in the george floyd trial. the attorney for the wright and floyd families is going to join me next. ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99.
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we're back now. you can see the live pictures in brooklyn center, minnesota. tensions are running high there. that's where protesters are out in the streets with a curfew set to begin in just about a half hour now. daunte wright's heartbroken
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mother says today her family will never get justice, she believes. i want to bring in ben crump, an attorney for the wright family. ben, thank you for joining us. how are you doing? how are you holding up? >> best we can, don. still cannot believe that we're dealing with another killing of an unarmed black man within ten miles of where derek chauvin is on trial for killing george floyd. it's just unbelievable. >> you know, it's been a painful week. emotions are understandably running high. we're looking at these live pictures now of the protesters out there. i want our viewers to hear daunte wright's aunt at today's press conference. listen. >> can we get a conviction? >> can we? >> can we get something? manslaughter? y'all see the difference.
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this is a taser. this is a taser. but no, my nephew was killed with this, a glock. >> so the former officer, kim potter, she made her first court appearance today. do you think the family will see a conviction? are you worried about a potential plea deal with this? >> don, you know, it's interesting because we have talked several times you and i over the years about the two justice systems that exist in america. even though we're making progress, i want to thank all the protesters and all the young people and all the activists because i was with michael brown's mother, eric garner's mother, and stephon chllark's mother yesterday. in all those cases on video,
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none of them even got an arrest. so we're making progress. but don, in minneapolis there was a black police officer, officer noor, who killed a white woman, justine diamond. he was regrettable, didn't mean it. it was very highly questionable circumstances. they convicted him of third degree murder, and he was sentenced to 12 1/2 years in prison. now we have a white policewoman in the minneapolis area shoot an unarmed black man. she says i didn't mean it, it was an accident. she's charged with involuntary manslaughter. as daunte's family said, we want equal justice. we want the full extent of the
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law, just like you did when the black man killed a white person. that's all we're seeking, equal justice, don lemon. >> that's why i played that and asked. i said the mom said she doesn't believe they'll get justice. and then you have the aunt who has been quite honest with her feelings and is speaking out about how the family feels and to feel that they may not get justice, it's a sad statement on what's happening in this country right now. i want to talk about the chauvin trial now, if you will. closing arguments are going to begin monday. has a defense made any headway? could this case come down to carbon monoxide poisoning? it sounds ludicrous, but who knows. >> it is very ludicrous, don. the defense is making a desperate attempt to distract us. that's all it is. they're trying to throw stuff on
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the board and see what will stick. and i pray that the jury will focus like most of america has focused, even pat robertson, everybody says derek chauvin should be convicted and held to the full extent of the law. this is going to be a tipping point, this verdict. where have we come in our quest for equal justice in america? minneapolis will be ground zero with this derek chauvin verdict next week, and daunte wright's funeral. and niesha said something profound to me, don lemon. she said, i don't know if officer potter has children, but if it was her child who got killed like she killed my nephew, what would america be demanding?
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that's exactly what we want for daunte. >> thank you so much, ben. when i heard that the whole thing about carbon monoxide -- i just thought it didn't make sense because why was he -- if they had let him off the ground sooner, then there would be no carbon monoxide, but let's just give them that. there would be no carbon monoxide poisoning if they didn't have him on the ground for 9 minutes, 29 seconds. it just makes no sense. thank you, ben. i appreciate it. ben, when you say my full name like that, it just makes me think of every time i was in trouble and my dad would say, don lemon. thank you, sir. >> we appreciate you always using your voice to help engage and educate and empower people in our community. >> thank you, sir. i really appreciate it. you be well. get some rest. i'll see you soon. calls for policing reform's
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calling louder and louder after daunte wright's killing. what is it going to take to get real change? well, congresswoman val demings is here, spent 20 years in law enforcement. she joins me, the perfect person to talk about what's happening right now to guide us through this. she's next. my garden is my therapy. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com.
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in the aftermath of the fatal police shooting of daunte wright, there's a new sense of urgency among some lawmakers on capitol hill to overhaul laws surrounding policing in america. it's coupled with derek chauvin's murder trial in the death of george floyd last year which sparked nationwide protests against systemic racial injustice in policing. joining me is representative valueval demings of florida. she's former police chief of
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orlando. thank you for joining. >> good to be with you. >> you had a 27-year career in policing. aside from what can be done on the legislative side, what needs to happen within police departments to stop these deadly police shootings, representative demings? speak to your experience here. >> it's good to be with you. as you've indicated, i spent 27 years as a law enforcement officer, served at every rank, had the honor of serving as chief of police in orlando. but before i became a police officer, i worked as a social worker. i went to the police department committed to reducing crime and keeping people safe. but i also knew in order to do that most effectively, we also had too deal with some of the quality of life issues that many of our communities face. at the police department when i became the police chief, i focused on reduction of crime. but i also focused on doing my
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best to hire the best men and women who had the mind and the heart for the job. you know, i used to tell the officers, we wear the badge over our hearts as a constant reminder that we have to have the heart for the job and we have to always remember, whether it's a victim, witness, or a suspect, that everybody belongs to somebody, and that we have to treat people with dignity and respect. and so it's been a tough time. we are grieving with the wright family. we're grieving with the toledo family. we're grieving with the floyd family and have been for the last year. but i've also attended some police officers' funerals and we're grieving with their families. we have a lot of work to do. hiring is important. who are we hiring? do they have the mind and heart to do the job? training, training is critical. we used to say we train today to win tomorrow. so we must have extensive training. you know, we must remember that the majority of police
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departments in our country are smaller agencies. they do not have the same training budgets. they do not have the same equipment. and so we always have to keep that in mind. and then we have to review our policies on a regular basis. you know, a lot has changed. technology has changed. there was once a time we didn't have body cameras. now we have the technology that will help officers to better be able to do their jobs, but also that can capture the true story, capture the facts. the cameras aren't biased and cameras don't lie. and so we have a lot of work to do. i've talked to the international association of chiefs of police. i've talked to some sheriff's organizations. what i've said to them, fix your own brokenness and be up front, transparent, fix your own brokenness because we all have a role to play. >> listen, and, you know, you've written op-eds, you talk about the issues and accountability.
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let's discuss brooklyn center specifically because the mayor there acknowledged there were few officers of color and none of them live in brooklyn center. is that a problem? listen, i imagine it's tough. you said hiring. recruiting is probably tough and that's going to be a big part of it. but speak to that. very few people live there and very few officers are of color. >> you know, don, one of the things i truly believe is that police departments should reflect the communities in which they serve. they should be diverse. and that diversity should be reflected in all ranked levels, which means we should have diversity. the decision-makers should be diverse. i can tell you that recruiting is extremely difficult. it is difficult for law enforcement agencies to recruit many times within their own jurisdictions. it's always good. we've had some incentive programs to try to incentivize
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officers to live within their jurisdictions. it's tough. many times it's more expensive to i love you in certain areas and certain places. many times their families already have properties outside. but i do think, if you can recruit within the jurisdiction of authority, then you do that. but i think diversity, don, is so very, very important because diverse workforces understand the unique challenges that many of our communities face, including our minority communities. and so it's so important, i think, that the community sees a police department that looks like them. >> that reflects back to them. representative, thank you. this is an ongoing conversation. we'd love to have you back. i hope that you will accept our offer when we call you back. but there's a lot going on, so our time is a little bit short tonight. thank you, representative demings, best of luck to you and thank you for the good fight you
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what's the overall point in all of these? protesters are demanding reform in policing. especially in how police deal with black americans. where are republican lawmakers in all of this? and what can we do? let's discuss now with cnn commentator john kasich. good evening, sir. good to see you. and i'm going to give you the floor. you want to say something about what can be done. >> well, don, look. we have some terrible things happen out here culminating in
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the shooting of 12-year-old tamir rice. >> in ohio. >> in ohio. african-american women came to see me and said we need to study this. i said we won't study. we'll start a task force. the next day we announced it. we had a collaborative made up of police, community, academics, people in the clergy. we had everybody involved. a few members of the legislature, public safety. they put together a collaborative that came together with unanimous recommendations. training on the use of deadly forceful the use of any force that officers need to be trained to those standards. they need to be adhered to them. that's the way it has to be. no question about it. recruiting and hiring, with a val demings just talked. about police in community, integrating the police in the community. the collection of data to make sure there is no bias in terms of police work. what's happening in the country is the training is not adequate. and i heard from somebody today that that officer that thought
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she pulled a taser and used a gun, what the officer said to me, or a law enforcement officer said to me, that's about training. so we need to have a standard. we have a standard in our state. the governor that came after me, mike dewine, he kept that collaborative in place so they can expand on it. what do you in mass demonstrations so we can train. every single state ought to adopt standards. the most important thing is to get the training and for officers to understand exactly what the policy is. not just on deadly forceful the use of force and the training and the standards. and val told it earlier. some of the small towns do it. in ohio over 80% of the agencies are training to a higher standard. that's what needs to be happening in the country. in each state. and frankly, they can do it in washington. and i would like you and i to say, we don't need to talk about this anymore. what we need to do is act. act now. if we can call this out every
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single day, i think it is very important for police agencies not to document this. we're not pointing the finger at the police. we're saying you have to get trained, community, you have to understand police officers. we women right into it. i think some of the reasons why communities aren't doing it. they wish it would all go away. when you get into it, you have to be challenging the police, the community, you have to have everybody involved and it worked in ohio. >> i don't disagree with you. you know that i'll keep talking about it. we've got to get our lawmakers from republicans. especially to get on board with the reform. >> absolutely. >> i've got to run. thank you. good to see you. we'll talk more. we have to get to brooklyn center. there's a curfew. the fifth night of protests live from the ground next. up at 2:00am again? tonight, try pure zzzs all night. unlike other sleep aids,
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