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escorted by law enforcement officers paying their respects. officer evans was killed in the line of duty april 2nd at the u.s. capitol complex. he was a husband and a father of two young children you see there grieving. our sincerest condolences to his wife and the family. anderson starts now. good evening. it has been a busy and a difficult day in addition to the first court appear for the ex-police officer charged in daunte wright's killing and the trial in minneapolis of ex-officer derek chauvin in the killing of george floyd. video emerged today in chicago in the fatal police shooting of adam toledo a 13-year-old latino. of course all the cases are different, each scenario and each investigation is unique and we'll treat each of them as such. there's no denying the country is on edge. we'll be joined by the toledo
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family attorney, including former d.c. police chief ramsey who will talk about deadly force. we want to start with daunte wright was killed, brooklyn center, minnesota, a town that has seen four straight nights of protests and arrests. miguel marquez is there. what are you seeing right now, miguel? >> reporter: yeah, it very much does look like it's going to be a fifth night of protests. people are out here rallying in support of daunte wright. they certainly want to see justice for him and changes to the police force as well and to the way policing is done. they are handing out umbrellas. they're handing out eye protection. they are clearly preparing for a night of making a very emphatic point to the police of the changes they want to see to the entire system. the police for their side have put in extra barriers and fencing all the way up and down the station itself and even on
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some of the side streets here. so both sides sort of getting ready for another night here. but i got to tell you the police have gotten much better at moving in very quickly when curfews go into effect, breaking up the protests and moving people out. anderson? >> is there a curfew in place tonight as there has been over the past couple of days? >> reporter: there is for brooklyn center. it's been a little patchy around the entire minneapolis area. there's not for the city of minneapolis. there's not for brooklyn park, which is just east of where we are. but for brooklyn center, there is one starting at 10:00 p.m. the curfew aside, though, police decide it's an unlawful gathering, they will announce that and start using means to try to move the crowd on as well. so we'll have to see how the night progresses, but it's always a little different. we suspect that this crowd will be back again and again and again. >> miguel marquez, appreciate it. now to chicago and the
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killing of a 13-year-old adam toledo. >> reporter: it's hard to watch. the final moments of a 13-year-old boy's life. this chicago police officer's body cam appears to show the teenage boy with what police say is a gun in his right hand, turning toward the officer. in less than a second, he's fatally shot, a single bullet to the chest from the officer's gun. it happened on march 29th. chicago police say officers were responding to a shots fired call on the city's west side when they say they came upon 13-year-old adam toledo and a 21-year-old man walking down an alley. the officer's body cam video shows toledo fleeing and the officer pursuing the teenager on foot, yelling at him to stop. >> police, stop! stop right [ bleep ] now! hands, show me your [ bleep ] hands. >> reporter: what happened next is still under investigation,
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but police say the video shows the officer once again yelling for him to stop. as the boy turns around, the officer opens fire. [ gunshot ] >> i've seen no evidence whatsoever that adam toledo shot at the police. >> reporter: police later tweeted out this picture of a gun recovered from the scene and prosecutors say toledo's right hand tested positive gunshot residue, but the family's attorney insisting the boy was not holding gun when he was shot. >> adam during his last second of life did not have a gun in his hand. the officer screamed at him, show me your hands. adam complied, turned around. his hands were empty when he was shot in the chest at the hands of the officer. >> reporter: she later suggested adam toledo may have had a gun at some point but tossed it. on the video, the unnamed officer who shot the boy immediately calls for an
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ambulance and tries to render aid. police say 21-year-old ruben roman was with the teenager and is in custody. the charges against him include felony reckless discharge of a firearm and felony endangerment of a child. adam toledo's family first saw the video on tuesday. the boy's mother sobbing as she questioned why anyone would kill her baby. chicago mayor lori lightfoot also saw the video before it was released. >> it was excruciating watching the body cam footage, which shows young adam after he is shot. it's extremely difficult. >> reporter: the boy's family initially asked that the video not be made public right away, but later attorneys for the family and the chicago mayor's office agreed to release the video along with a slowed-down version of it.
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>> he's running through an alley. the raw video footage is extraordinarily jumpy. it's really hard to see anything. providing kind of a slowed-down video is going to help members of the public. >> reporter: his mother describes him as happy, saying he loved animals, building legos and playing with hot wheels. now, so many questions about how he ended up dead in a chicago alley at the hands of police. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. >> joining us now is the attorney you saw in randi's report, who represents the toledo family. i appreciate you joining us. police say the footage shows that less than one second passes between the time when toledo is seen with a gun and the officer fires a shot. if that is true, would the officer's actions be justified?
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>> well, let's clarify what's on the videos. there is a slowed-down version of the video, which the police have compiled. in the version that everybody saw today, which was the bad body cam, you cannot see in real time whether adam had a gun in his hand. there's also another scene, a video from the school adjacent to the alley. in that video, you cannot see whether adam had a gun in his hand. that video needs to be forensically enhanced and zoomed in to determine what, if anything, adam had in his hand. nevertheless, at the moment the officer -- >> are you saying he did not -- you're his family's attorney. do you know one way or the other if he had a gun in his hand. police say not only did they find a gun, they found gun r
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residue on his hand? >> the gun was five feet or more, ten feet from adam's body. gun residue is transferable. >> what does that tell you? seems a big coincidence that there's a gun found right where he happened to stop. >> well, gun "was found five to ten feet from the body. gun residue is transferrable. reubenen roman has red gloves in his happened covered with gun residue. we don't know if the gun residue on adam's hand was there when he passed away. >> what you're saying is we don't know if adam fired the gun, which is what there would be residue of, i would assume, i'm not an expert. >> no. >> no? >> no. it is established that reuben roman fired that gun. it is also established that the
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magazine was empty. it is also established that the slide was open. and it is also established that when adam turned around, there was no gun in his hand. >> okay. but yet a gun was found right by his body, you say five to ten feet away, throwing distance. >> correct. >> so are you saying he did not have a gun or -- the only other option is that the associate he was being with, who is in custody, placed that gun there previous to the police even arriving and it's a sheer coincidence that his body is found near that, correct? >> at this time there's nowhere to establish what is in adam's hand. it is not clear on the school video. it is not clear on the cpd video. all the images that we have thus far of adam's right hand is blurry. so we cannot establish one way or the other whether that child
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had the gun in his hand. >> you've called this a, quote, assassination. obviously tensions are high in chicago and minnesota, elsewhere around the country. what makes you say that this is an assassination, which is a predetermined, planned-out attempt to kill somebody? >> let's just establish one thing. this family, more than anything, wants peace in chicago. this family has called for peace at every opportunity thus far. when i say it's an assassination when the reporter from univision asked me about it, i have an unarmed 13-year-old child. the holy week of easter, shot behind an alley with his hands in the air in the middle of his chest. he was given a directive from the officer, show me your hands. that child complied, lift up his hands and was shot in the middle
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of his chest. >> i can't imagine -- obviously it's beyond anything -- it's the worst thing for any parent to go through. what does the family want to see happen as far as the police department and possibly even the courts are concerned? >> the avenues that we're taking legally will be disclosed at a later time. but they want justice for their family. they want reform. they want enhanced training for police officers. obviously this officer prematurely pointed a trigger at that young man when that young man complied and then he shot him. >> how do you determine that? you're saying you're not clear what's on the video and yet you're still coming to a conclusion. >> no, everybody wants to pinpoint adam with a gun in his hand. nobody at this time can pinpoint adam with a gun in his hand.
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we don't know what, if anything, he had in his hand. the video footage of the officer, he's running up and down. the video footage from farrington school is from a great distance. it is zoomed and enhanced. so when you want to pin me down on what he had in his hand, i can't do that at this time. >> okay. i appreciate your time and your representation of this family. and again, i'm so sorry for this family's loss. >> thank you. >> it's awful. joining us now, someone with experience running two major police departments in philadelphia and d.c., charles ramsey. chief ramsey, appreciate you being with us. i've watched this video. it's horrific to see a 13-year-old boy shot and being attended to medically. the video is just horrific. when you watched this video of the chase, all that we know has gone on, all that we've seen from this video and what police
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and the family is saying, what do you see -- what stands out to you? >> well, first of all let me start by saying that it is a tragedy anytime someone loses their life, particularly a young person. it is a tragedy. but i too saw that video. in addition, i saw some other videos. i went to the civilian office of police accountability website that investigates these things for chicago pd. they have several videos there. in my opinion, tragic as it was, the shooting was reasonable. here's what i saw. there was a video that shows the young man and an adult, who is a 21-year-old, walking down a street together. now, this is at 2:40 in the morning. 2:40 a.m., a 13-year-old on the street with a 21-year-old at 2:40 in the morning. there's another shot that shows them walking down the street.
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you see a car going down the street. they turn toward the street. and then you hear a succession of shots, probably seven or eight shots. those are the shots that shotspotter picked up. in addition to that, i listened to 911 tapes -- >> sorry. by the way, that shots fired thing you reference, that is a program that they have in chicago, which i was unaware of. it's a listening device, when it picks up the sounds of gunfire, it alerts the police that there have been shots fired in an area. that's what had this police officer respond. >> exactly, exactly. i had it in philly in a couple spots and i had it in d.c. as well. i'm very familiar with it. it's very effective. there's another video that shows the two of them running immediately after the shots are fired. then it picks up is officer getting out of the car, refund behind the individual. when he comes across the adult, his partner takes that person down. i saw that body cam as well.
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they get to the end of the alleyway and he's, again, telling the young man to stop, you know, to turn around. and you can see there's a still shot with the young man who has has what looked like a gun in his right hand. he suddenly spun around and that's when the officer fired a single shot. immediately after, the officer went there and began applying first aid, even cpr to the young man. there is a gun on the other side of the fence. there's an opening there, and the gun is on the other side, maybe about five feet. but when he spins around like that, if he had the gun in his right hand, that could have flown right out of his hand, either as he was shot or he was trying to get rid of it as he was shot. but it was literally less than a second from the time the officer saw the gun and the time he fired that shot. i believe that's reasonable. i know right now everybody's, you know, blood in the water about policing. and i have not hesitated to
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speak up whenever officers inappropriately use force of any kind. this ain't one of those cases. i don't know how many people have ever chased an armed person down an alley at night. i have and i know what it's like, believe me. >> we should point out there was a gun on the ground in that spot. >> yes. >> if he did not throw it there, then somebody else placed it there, and we're seeing -- this was all happening in real time. the attorney -- i don't know if she was suggesting that, you know, the 21-year-old may have used the gun and they could have been there coincidentally. that seems unlikely. what i watched the video, not the slowed-down version, which is important to watch in and of itself, but just the realtime one, you do just get a sense of the split second involved here in which a decision is made.
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wherever you come down on this, it does give you a sense of the extreme difficulty of, you know, what a police officer is facing, what anybody in this scenario is facing. these things -- in this case, it is happening so lightning fast late at night. it is a very difficult situation. >> 2:40 in the morning, 13 years old out on the street with a guy with a gun. i mean, you know, it's a tragic set of circumstances. i'm not trying to blame, but sometimes put themselves in awful positions. that time of morning you got a gun, you're running. if he had tossed it while he was running, you know, the video of course is bumpy because the video camera is actually in the chest of an officer. that's where they carry them. but you've jogged before. anybody who's ever jogged and run, you know when you're
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running, your head is relatively stable. it's the body where you start the motion. >> chief ramsey, appreciate it. coming up next, closing testimony in the derek chauvin trial and what to make of the ex-officer's decision not to take the stand. later, the congressman who sees mask-wearing as a threat to personal freedom in his confrontation today with dr. anthony fauci. ♪ ♪ ♪ comfort in the extreme. ♪ the lincoln family of luxury suvs. ♪ the harry's razor is not the same. our razors have five german engineered blades designed to stay sharp, so your eighth shave is as smooth as your first. and we never upcharge you for high quality.
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principal. for all it's worth. in minneapolis, crews have been putting up razor wire around police stations. testimony ended today in court, closing arguments will be heard on monday. the tension is running high. more now. >> i will invoke my fifth amendment privilege today. >> reporter: for the first time since the start of the trial, former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin spoke in court. >> do you feel that your decision not to testify is a
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voluntary one on your behalf. >> yes, it is. >> reporter: he chose not to take the stand, leading the defense to rest its case. >> your honor, at this time the defense rests. >> reporter: the prosecution brought back its star medical witness to refute the idea brought up by yesterday's defense expert. >> it is an extremely toxic gas. >> reporter: that exhaust from the scad car's tailpipe possibly led to carbon monoxide poisoning of george floyd. >> do you agree with that proposition that's highlighted there? >> no, i do not. it's simply wrong. >> reporter: the prosecution attempted to introduce new lab result evidence about carbon monoxide poisoning. >> it was discovered yesterday by dr. baker. it would return a value for the carbon monoxide content. >> reporter: the defense argued such a late evidence entry by the prosecution should lead to a mistrial. >> it's our position that these new test results should not go front of a jury, first and foremost, and second, if they were, i would be moving for a
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mistrial. >> reporter: the judge agreed. >> the late disclosure has prejudiced the defense. it's not going to be allowed. >> reporter: a short time later, all witness testimony came to an end. >> the state of minnesota rests. >> sarah snider joins us now. >> reporter: we should mention the jury will get this case on monday after closing arguments. but i am here with terrence floyd. terrence, if you wouldn't mind coming over to talk to me. i appreciate you being here. why did you decide to come to this particular spot? this is the spot where daunte wright was killed. the last time i saw you in person, it was at the spot where your brother was killed when you came to minneapolis to pay your respects there. why are you here today? >> well, we all know i've been in minneapolis because of the trial for my brother. but as we're here for that, this situation happens.
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so i thought to come. just like i came down and paid respects to my brother where he passed away, where he got murdered, i want to do the same thing for daunte wright. that's why i just if he would compelled to come down here and show him some love, show his family some love. >> reporter: could you have ever predicted or imagined that during the trial of a former officer accused of killing your brother for kneeling on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds that another young unarmed black man would be shot dead by an officer just ten miles away from what happened to your brother? >> no, i couldn't. this is surreal. i couldn't have imagined this because during this time you would think, you know, they would be low-key, try to, like, dot every "i," cross every "t,"
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but there's still accidents, quote, unquote, still happening and we're dying from it. >> reporter: do you believe that it was not an accident? you said acci"accidents". >> i'm not sure of the color of a taser in this part of town. but where i'm from, brooklyn, new york, a taser is yellow and black, and a gun is black. so i don't think it was an accident because even besides the color, it's a weight difference. other than that, besides there being a weight difference, they're positioned on different sides if you're a 26-year -- you've been on the force for 26 years and you don't know by now which side to go to -- i don't feel it was an accident at all. >> reporter: can you tell me what it was like the moment you walked up to this memorial, you see daunte's name spelled out in candles. you have seen this scene before.
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that fist right there was taken from your brother's memorial. what was it like showing up here today? >> it was, like i said, like my nephew said. it was a, damn, this again, moment. it happened again. just walking up here, knowing his age, that could have been my son. because my son is 18. that could have been my son. it's just -- it's just mind-boggling that, you know, the people that we are looking for protection from actually using us like, you know, being our predators. seems like they're coming after us, you know. that's the way i see it right now.
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i'm -- i'm. >> i know it's hard. you're okay. i want to explain to you also why terrence is so filled with emotion. he literally just got a phone call, i hope you don't mind if i say. just got a call from daunte wright's mother and he heard her voice and said if george floyd's mother had been alive, he heard his mother's voice in daunte wright's mother as she was talking to him about the pain she felt for the death of her son. anderson? >> sara sidner, thank you. our legal team has been helping us understand the courtroom proceedings. federal prosecutor laura coates is with us and mark o'meara ra. if you were representing derek chauvin, i assume you would have advised him to not testify? >> it's truly his decision at that moment in time. i got to tell you that there was virtually nothing that chauvin could have done to help himself
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in this case. i don't believe -- the only thing -- though i might have scripted it, he could never have gotten through it. if he actually went out there and somehow apologized, somehow explained that he was based on his training somehow came up with an explanation, that might have convinced this jury to give him a lesser charge, but there was nothing he could have done to increase the chances of acquittal, and i think he would have been devastated on cross-examination by the prosecutor because there's no way that he can defend, nothing other than the 9 1/2 minutes. so i think it was the right decision under the circumstances. >> gloria, do prosecutors typically want to get a chance at cross-examining a the defendant? >> normally prosecutors are chomping at the bit to be able to interview someone, let alone have ra cross because then you're able to bring up things that you otherwise could not get
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in. if there are prior bad acts, for example. the judge in this case was not a long time allow the overwhelming in your opinion of cases. it wouldn't allow the majority of the actual prior bad acts of other instances to get in. but if he takes the stand, he's fair game. so you want the opportunity as prosecutor. one thing that defendants can do, which is very, very troublesome to a prosecutor, is they can plant a seed of empathy. up until now, we've only heard from people who are doing no favors to try to make derek chauvin look bad. he did himself no favors, the 9-minute, 29-second video did no favors. people are psychologically trained in this country to give benefit of the doubt to a police officer, even if they didn't see a viable defense, explanation, let alone justification. there's always an opportunity that somebody might see something about this individual in themselves, interpret his
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demeanor, his idiosyncrasies, and they may be able to try to essentially attribute what they would feel on this person. that's the only real benefit you can have as a defendant in that case like this to try to appeal to some sort of iota of empathy. unfortunately, however, if he's not somebody who is going to be able to convey that and the overwhelming evidence has been presented already, what could he possibly have said? we can't say he was trained to do this. he can't say he didn't know the person was in distress. he can't say that he rendered aid, so what can he say? >> looking into monday, how much do closing arguments actually matter? can a case be won or lost by what lawyers say in their summations? >> i often say that closing arguments are really there for the lawyers because it's what we learned on tv and wanted to do in law school. i will tell you, in a complicated case -- this case is complicated not because of the facts of the case. st easy for us to say it looks
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like the state proved their case. as laymen looking at it, it's pretty obvious. but what the defense has to focus on is nothing more than that jury has to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. if the defense does their job of going through everything and showing off these potential possibilities of cause of death, not that it happened that way, that's not the defense's job. the defense's job is to say if i can give you a reason, if i can give you a piece of evidence to which you can attach a doubt and you have a reason for that, what it means is simply the state doesn't get their conviction because they have not proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. you are not deciding that my client is innocent. you are simply telling the prosecution you didn't do enough to take away all reasonable doubt. and that is the job of a criminal defense attorney in closing arguments. >> mark o'meara, laura coates, stay with us. i want to get her perspective on
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with the pain still fresh and protesters again tonight taking to the streets of brooklyn center, the ex-police officer who shot and killed daunte wright made her first court appearance today. kim potter was arrested yesterday charged with second
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degree manslaughter. here again is cnn's miguel marquez. >> my brother, my sister need this woman to be convicted. >> reporter: dietaunte wright's aunt calling for the conviction of kim potter on a single charge of second degree manslaughter. >> can we get something? manslaughter? >> reporter: ben crump, the lawyer for daunte wright's family, says he shouldn't have been threatened with a taser and doesn't believe the former officer potter, a 26-year veteran of the force could mistake a handgun for a taser as body cam video suggests. >> they come up with a way to justify over and over again the killing of black people in america. >> reporter: daunte wright, he says, is only the latest victim of a justice system stacked against people of color.
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>> that's very important. that marginalized families get their day in court. >> reporter: that kim potter was charged so quickly is a step forward. >> unfortunately there's never going to be justice for us. the justice would bring our son home to us, knocking on the door with his big smile coming in the house. >> reporter: daunte wright's father says his son's life was only beginning to take shape. >> my son was a good young man. he was a young man in the making. and we were building my son up to be somebody he was. he was going to be somebody. >> reporter: speaking at it church where his son will be eulogized just before going to the funeral home to see their son's body for the first time since he was killed. his 14-year-old sister speaking about her brother. >> my brother, he was the most
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delightful person i've ever met, like, you can -- he was just -- he was everything. everything. his smile, his jokes, his -- everything about him. >> reporter: miguel marquez joins us from brooklyn center. what is next for the family. >> reporter: it's a big family. i've met some of the siblings and they are absolutely lovely and absolutely shocked at what they are dealing with now. it was really moving being in that church where his funeral will be next week. that's the big thing they're moving toward now. they were going to the funeral home today to see his body for the first time since he died and they are preparing for that funeral that will be next thursday at that same church. it is an incredibly hard time for them. so hard to see the father of daunte wright get up and speak. he had a very difficult time
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saying anything but wanted to speak on behalf of his son. >> miguel marquez, appreciate it. back with us, laura coates. you heard them call for the conviction of officer potter. how easy would it be for prosecutors to deliver that verdict for the wright family? >> you know, the definition of justice, unfortunately, for so many families of victims in this country is just not in line with what the laws can provide, especially when it means and comes to the sentencing. but having said that, even without that universal definition of justice, anderson, there is a charge now against this officer. as i said before, because of the pace of this actual charge, it could mean this is only the initial charge. i remind people that another officer in the minneapolis area just a couple years ago, muhammad noor, was also charged with second degree manslaughter but they also had a third-degree
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murder charge attached to it based on the same unreasonable risk that was taken. and the unreasonable risk is when you created an opportunity where you could actually consciously cause somebody to die or have grave bodily harm. is it fact that the taser is so markedly different from the service weapon going to be enough to infer that there was consciousness? were, the words we choose in a statute are very deliberate, and they have meaning. they're not just terms you throw out there. we'll have to go develop the case and figure out if they're going to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt even if it was an intentional act, if all the circumstances show it was a consciously taken, unreasonable risk, you could elevate the charges. now, i'll just say this, anderson. remember, one of the things that's very disturbing about officers when they are involved in these cases is they get the opportunity to preempt a lot of
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this. when that now-resigned police chief got up there, he set the stage and the tone of what people believed or were led to believe. he called it an accidental discharge. in the universe, the prosecutors have to find out if that's truthful or part of the story or a lie. this investigation for them has just really begun. >> and the wright family wants to see much more jail time in this case. as it now stands, it could potentially result in. do you think the second degree manslaughter is appropriate? >> given what's known at the time, without any information about the idea of acting with a depraved heart in some respects, which also has legal connotations, this is a good initial charge. now, again, this is a sliding scale for many prosecutors. and i remind people another officer who shot and killed
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philando castile. depending on how this is going in the investigation, it is the appropriate charge initially, but that does not mean by any stretch of the imagination it needs to be the final charge. you have to think about the entire course of events here, from the time he was pursued to stopped to this officer intervening to now having the service weapon instead of taser. all of this comes into the same statement we looked at in the derek chauvin trial, which is the reasonable use of force. if that wasn't followed, this sliding scale goes up in terms of the degree of the charge, whether it's manslaughter or murder. >> laura coates, appreciate it. we have breaking news in the vaccine front. why so many need a third shot this year. a fiery exchange today on capitol hill between dr. anthony fauci and congressman jim jordan. we'll be right back. before, no one used to listen to me!
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there's breaking news tonight in the coronavirus vaccine front. the ceo of pfizer says that a third shot of its vaccine will likely be needed within a year of the original shot. in a live event on facebook, he also said there will be a need for an annual covid shot. all this as there was remarkably heated change today on capitol hill between dr. anthony fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert and the chief medical adviser of president joe biden, and the conservative republican congressman from ohio, jim jordan during a house
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subcommittee meeting about the government's response to the pandemic. jordan's attacks on the restrictions still in place around the country. kaitlan collins joins us with more. talk about what happened today between the congressman and dr. fauci. >> reporter: anderson, it kind of looked like what probably so many of us have seen or experienced over the last year, a fight between your family or your friends over covid-19 restrictions, vaccinations, mask-wearing, what's going on, something that's become a part of our daily life, except this time it was happening on capitol hill during a hearing with a congressman and the nation's top infectious disease expert as they were openly sparring over this issue of these restrictions. jim jordan started questioning dr. fauci to get answers about what's been going on. but jim jordan took this route of complaining about how a year ago you saw vice president mike pence and president trump no foundation this 15 days to slow the spread and turned into too many days of restrictions.
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and of course dr. fauci pushing back on the reason why those restrictions really stayed in place. but you have to watch it to get it. just look at what happened earlier today on capitol hill. >> what objective outcome do we have to reach before americans get their liberty and freedoms back? >> you know, you're indicating liberty and freedom. i look at it as a public health measure to prevent people from dying and going to the hospital. >> you don't think americans' liberties have been threatened the last year, dr. fauci? they've been assaulted. their liberties have? >> i don't look at this as a liberty thing, congressman jordan. >> that's obvious. >> it's a public health thing. i disagree with you on that. >> i just want to know when do americans get their first amendment liberties back? >> i don't think anything -- i think you're making this a personal thing and it isn't. >> it's not a personal thing. >> you are. that is exactly what you're doing. >> mr. chairman, i don't want you to answer my question. the american people want dr.
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fauci to answer the question. what does it have to be? >> you are expired, sir. you need to respect the chair and shut your mouth. >> that's maxine waters there at the end saying to shut your mouth to jim jordan. but you see how heated it what dr. fauci was saying the more people that get vaccinated, the lower the level of threat. that's when life can get back to normal. >> did things calm down or did they clash again. >>? they clashed again. it's a routine thing with dr. fauci and some of these republicans, former allies of president trump, in these hearings, going back and forth on these restrictions, and you hear dr. fauci and they're asking for direct numbers, and exact science, and you have seen public health experts say this is exactly where we need to be because there's so much that's unpredictable with covid-19 and the variants and whatnot.
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and this is often something you see at the hearings especially with dr. fauci given that he was a favorite target of former president trump's and so no it continued from there with them clashing over this idea of liberty versus lives lost. one thing i think we should note is republican men have been increasingly hesitant to get the vaccine. that's an important messaging, of covid-19 experts, people who work in the white house, people who don't work in the white house. that's an v other people could explore, to help end the restrictions that you have been seeing. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. thanks, just ahead, priesident biden signaling a tougher stance against russia than his predecessor. both stories when we continue.
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the sanctions against russia announced today by president
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biden punished banks, businesses and individuals for actions against the country, against the united states, stretching back to at least 2016. they also announced a president who unlike his predecessor is willing to criticize and punish his predecessor, as well as hold out an olive branch. >> we could have gone further. i chose not to do so. i chose to be proportionate. the united states is not looking to kick off a cycle of escalation and conflict with russia. we want a stable, predictable relationship, and if russia continues to interfere with our democracy, i'm prepared to take further actions to respond. >> more now from our alex marquardt on the message he believes he's sending to vladimir putin with these sanctions and new revelations about how russia meddled in the past two u.s. elections. >> today the biden administration rolled out what the president calls measured and
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proportionate sanctions against russia for russia's attempt to interfere in the 2020 election and the historic hack against the u.s. government. the massive russian influence campaign in the 2020 election led to 32 people and entities being sanctioned today. including for the use of disinformation web sites like these spreading lies, directed by russia's main intelligence agencies. russian efforts and operations were global, a network in after -- africa and companies in pakistan. there was a new tie revealed today between the trump campaign and 2016 and russia. the u.s. treasury department targeting russian konstantin kilimnik for giving russian intelligence, both polling data and campaign strategy in the race. it was given to him by 2016 trump campaign manager paul manafort, a long time associate of kilimnik's. manafort pushed his conspiracy theories promoting the idea that ukraine, not russia interfered in the 2016 election, an
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unfound unfounded idea picked up by president trump. >> how come the fbi never got the server from the dnc. the server, they say, is held by a company whose primary ownership individual is from ukraine. >> reporter: for the first time today the u.s. also named the russian intelligence agency behind the unprecedented cyber attack known as the solar winds hack uncovered late last year. a sophisticated campaign into at least nine u.s. federal agencies and around 100 companies. cracking down on russian intelligence, the biden administration sanctioned six technology companies connected to them. and announced it would kick out ten russian diplomats from the embassy in washington, including known spies. one issue where russia was not punished is for the reported bounties that russia put on the heads of american troops in afghanistan. reports that biden used during the campaign to blast trump. >> as president, i will never,
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never, never, stand silently. in the face of intelligence reports that the kremlin has put bounties on the heads of u.s. troops serving afghanistan. >> reporter: the intelligence on that biden officials now say isn't strong enough to demand action now. instead, they'll respond through diplomats and the military. >> and alex marquardt joins us now. president biden said he told vladimir putin earlier that u.s. action was coming. what more do we know about that call? >> he said this call with putin was candid and respectful. he told putin the u.s. came after they decided what russia had done was inappropriate. he told putin more action could come if russia continues to interfere. now, anderson, biden is clearly trying to walk a careful line here, both punishing russia for many of the things they have done, hoping things don't escalate, the phrase we have heard from biden today, is stable and predictable.
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that's the relationship they want with russia going forward. biden talked about how these two great powers, as he called them, can continue to work together on nuclear issues and arms control, and biden also proposed a face-to-face summit with putin in europe this summer. anderson. >> alex marquardt, appreciate it. i want to hand it over it to chris for cuomo prime time. >> i'm chris cuomo and welcome to prime time. critical body cam video has been released of another police killing. the victim in this case is a 13-year-old named adam toledo. this happened on march 29th in chicago. there is closed circuit camera footage, and body camera footage showing different moments before and after the shooting including the foot pursuit of an officer chasing the boy and also the shooting itself in an alley on chicago's west side. here's what we know, police responded to reports of gunshots, when they responded to the scene, they came upon toledo and a 21-year-ol