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vaccine. >> again, all six cases involve women and they're young. women between the ages of 18 and 48 who have received the j&j covid vaccine. "the new york times" reports one woman died. another woman hospitalized in critical condition. but i also want to put this in perspective about the numbers here. nearly 7 million people in the united states have received j&j's covid vaccine so far. this is six people. the fda will hold a news conference two hours from now. with us, chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta and dr. paul offit, director -- member of the fda's advisory committee. he was involved in the process of assessing j&j's vaccine. so many questions for you. sanjay, in the simplest terms for everyone watching, especially women between 18 and 48, what does this mean for them? >> i think this is something that's of concern.
i mean, it is a rare side effect, but what we are hearing is that, as you mentioned, women between 18 and 48, there was six women who developed a significant blood clot in the veins that drain blood away from the brain. the cerebral sinuses or cerebral veins. we're trying to get an image to show you. this is a rare concern, but it was a significant enough problem that when the blood is not draining properly from the brain, you can start to develop brain swelling. sometimes additional bleeding and this is what doctors have noticed. clinicians have noticed in a few of these patients. it's not clear entirely whether there was some sort of pre-existing problem that may have made these women more likely to develop these problems, but, look, this is a significant concern. it is rare, but it is one of those things now where as a general rule you're giving vaccines to healthy people and people are going to look at this and i think understandably, at
least with this johnson & johnson vaccine, say i am worried about this. is this the right thing for me? >> dr. offit, i want your take on this as someone who has assessed the johnson & johnson vaccine and also why 6 out of 6.8 million doses. 6 cases out of 6.8 million administered, why that's enough to pause the process. >> first of all, the astrazeneca vaccine in the united kingdom and europe has been struggling with the same issue. meaning the so-called central venous thrombosis. the european medicines agency has been dealing with this. it's not new. the astrazeneca vaccine is very similar, actually, to the johnson & johnson vaccine. both are replication defective adnovirus vaccines. it's not shocking there would be a class effect essentially. this occurred at roughly 1 per 250,000 people. here it looks like it's about 1
in a million people, but i agree with sanjay. this is a real phenomenon. because you have two other vaccines that can be used in the united states that don't cause that problem, i think that's why you can reasonably put that on hold. >> those two vaccines that do not cause this problem are very different. they're different in how they're made. they are mrna technology which has never been used before now getting to market. can you explain to people who look at this and say, i'm signed up for a pfizer vaccine but i'm not getting this, i'm scared, that they need to get that vaccine. this is a fundamentally different kind of vaccine. >> right. yeah, there's different ways that these vaccines have been made. and the mrna vaccine is a new vaccine. the adnovirus vaccine dr. offit was describing is one that's been around longer but they do, even though they accomplish the same thing, which is to basically create antibodies in your body, they do it in different ways. i think the biggest thing to sort of realize is that with the
mrna vaccine, the pfizer and moderna vaccines, they've both been out longer in addition to the clinical trial data which is very favorable. we have lots of real world data and you're not seeing these kinds of things that have been described with the adnovirus vaccines, the johnson & johnson and the astrazeneca vaccine. so, look, you know, this is tough news to have to give because i think this is going to really shake confidence at least in the johnson & johnson vaccine in this country. and i think it's going to be tough to regain some of that confidence. i think we have this image to give people an idea. blood clots. the type of blood clots are blood clots that develop inside the vein. that's a little bit hard to see, i realize, but in those blue structures, those are the veins. blood is going to the brain and then blood needs to be drained from the blood vessels of the brain as well. if there's blood clots in the veins, the blood can't get out as easily from the brain.
what happens? the brain can start to swell. there can even be bleeds in conjunction with that. bleeding that occurs in the brain around that which means it's difficult to give blood clotting medication sometimes because you may worsen that bleeding. it's a challenging problem to address. sometimes it can be challenging to even diagnose. that is what we're talking about. it is rare, but it does seem to have this clear association now as we have seen between the astrazeneca and j&j. >> we're hearing that j & johnson's stock is down more than 2% in pretrading. this will be some corporate concern to them also. you said something really interesting and i hadn't thought of it this way. maybe the federal government can be quicker, can make -- it's an easier decision to pause j&j when there are other vaccines out there in great numbers that work. that are saving people's lives when it comes to coronavirus. it's an easier to say, don't use this other vaccine which we have
in more limited doses because we have enough of the kind that we believe is safe. but you know, and i've already seen it on social media, that people who are, you know, hess tants, which is different than anti-vaxxers, but there are people who are hesitant to get the vaccine. they're concerned, and i saw your special with sanjay over the weekend, anti-vaxxers will use this immediately saying, we told you. we told you vaccines are dangerous. >> you know, many ways this should be reassuring to people in some ways. when this trial was done, the johnson & johnson trial, you -- if this side effect occurs in 1 in a million people, you'll not see that in the preapproval process. now that it's out there, it should be reassuring to know that people are still looking. the cdc, world health organization, the european medicines agency are still looking to make sure not only that the vaccines have an uncommon side effect but don't have a rare side effect post
approval. that should make you feel better about all the vaccines out there that haven't had this kind of problem. it should be largely reassuring. >> i want to speak to everyone out there who maybe just got this vaccine or their kid did, especially maybe their daughter. these are the symptoms. severe headache, abdominal pain, leg pain, shortness of breath within about two to three weeks. sanjay, not a fever. that's not listed as a concerniconcern ing symptom. a lot of people get fevers after vaccines. what should those people do? and why women? why is this all women, young women? >> yeah, so there's a couple of things in what you just read. first of all, there are different types of clots. the clots of the great concern, the one i just showed the image of are cerebral venous clots but there have been some in the deep veins of the legs, dvt and some
around their abdominal. so you have different symptoms in those cases. you know, i think -- i want to emphasize, again, i know there's probably a lot of people listening who are understandably going to be worried if they've just received the vaccine. this is still rare. but if you do have these side effects you should talk to your doctor about this and right now, just even our reporting, this is all unfolding real time. clinicians are hearing about this for the first time. their antennas will have to be raised for patients who had this vaccine who may develop any of these symptom and have a plan in place. how you diagnose the clotting, how you treat it. some of them may not treat it but may just resolve on their own. we're seeing medicines unfold real time here with this particular issue. the clots -- the clotting itself is not a new issue. we see people developing spontaneous clotting and that was the issue in europe when this astrazeneca association was being sort of evaluated.
is this sort of just normal background clotting or is this something really associated with the vaccine? it can be hard to parse that out if these are very small numbers. but i think that's the message right now. understandably, if you have concerns, any of these symptoms, it's unlikely you will but if you do, talk to your doctor about this. >> also remember, this is 6.8 million doses out of 189 million doses of vaccine administered. that number on the bottom right-hand side of your screen. more than 180 million doses of coronavirus vaccine aren't johnson & johnson at all and don't have this same concern. dr. offit, how come this didn't show up in the trials? how come this is something we're only seeing now? >> because it was too rare. if you look at the way the j&j did their trial, roughly 44,000-person trial, 18,000 u.s. if it's occurring 1 in a million people, you're unluikely to see
that. we're always looking to make sure there isn't even a very, very rare side effect and that should be reassuring to people. >> sanjay, do you have any understanding, and i'm sorry if i'm sort of beating the same drum here but i've got so many women reaching out to me wondering why these are all women. i asked dr. del rio last hour. brought up that a number of women may be on birth control. brought up the issue of thrombosis tied to that. what would you be asking the fda on that front at 10:00 a.m. today if you were asking them questions on this? >> yeah, those are the right questions. so these, i think, and i'm learning this along with you, but women between 18 and 48. so what is it about women of that age that might, you know, make them more likely to develop these sorts of blood clots. and as you mentioned, it could have something to do with their hormones, you know, premenopausal sort of situation. are they also taking birth control pills?
were they smokers? did they have underlying history of malignancy, cancer, which can increase your likelihood of clotting. there's all sorts of different things. it's tough sometimes to know, again, when you have such small numbers and you're trying to say what ties these half dozen women together? what is it about them that makes them, you know, more likely to develop this problem? and maybe there's nothing in the end you can say definitively. if you do find something definitively, it could be one of those things where you now know and instead of saying you're excluding this across the board, you exclude this in a certain population of people. the astrazeneca vaccine, in europe, there were certain populations that were told to not get the vaccine. we may -- they may have that sort of recommendation in the end. but i think it's just too early to say right now. it would just be too speculative. >> all right. dr. sanjay gupta, dr. paul offit, we really thank you both for helping us understand this breaking news.
it is a headline that gets people's attention. the fda and cdc calling for a pause in administering the johnson & johnson vaccine. a news conference at 10:00 a.m. we'll all be watching. gentlemen, thank you. will lawmakers finally do something, take action, collectively, on excessive police force? a top democrat in the senate, dick durbin, is with us next. [sfx: rainstorm] ♪ comfort in the extreme. ♪ - [announcer] meet the ninja foodi air fry oven. ♪ make family-sized meals fast. and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do things no other oven can, like flip away. the ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away. protect your pet this flea and tick season with chewy. find everything from flea collars and sprays, to prescriptions that keep pests away.
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the second night of unrest in minnesota, a day after a police officer shot and killed 20-year-old daunte wright during a traffic stop. he was just pulled over for an expired tag. it comes as the derek chauvin trial plays out just a few miles away. the biden administration is now standing down on creating a white house-led police oversight commission. instead they see it needs to be legislation. with me now is democratic whip senator dick durbin, chair of the judiciary committee. senator, good morning to you. i'd like to begin by playing for you and our viewers sound of daunte wright's aunt. here's what she told my colleague don lemon last night. >> it was a mistake? you don't mistake a stun gun from a gun. you don't mistake that. if i made a mistake like that, i'd be in a jail cell.
they would be trying to put me under it. >> you are the second most powerful democrat in the senate. let's be straight. is anything going to change? is daunte wright's death, the father of a little boy, is this going to change anything or more of the same? >> i think it can change things. i think the cumulative experience that we are seeing played out on videotapes, sadly, almost every day, is really a call to action in the united states senate and the senate judiciary committee. let's get down to basics here. i believe the majority of men and women who put that badge on in the morning are caring and competent people and not bigoted in any way. yet, in their ranks are people not well trained, people who don't belong at all in law enforcement and we've got to make a clear difference. we've got to stand by the good policing and make it clear that bad policing is unacceptable. and let me add, too, very quickly, there is a racial element here that is very, very
real in america. the numbers tell the story. we have got to purge that racism from the administration to justice in america. >> your democratic colleague congresswoman rashida tlaib overnight writes, it's not an accident. policing in our country is inherently and intentionally racist. daunte wright was met with aggression and violence. i am done with those who condone government-funded murder. no more policing, incarceration and militarization. it cannot be reformed. and your fellow democrat, congressman pressley from overnight. from slave patrols to traffic stops, we can't reform this. are they wrong, senator? >> i can tell you the evidence gives them reason to speak up as they have. and yet we know that the bottom line here, we need law enforcement in this country for safety and security in our homes and neighborhoods and our cities. but we must demand of law enforcement with all the power that is given to an individual officer that this type of racial
conduct be purged from our law enforcement. it is reality. it is a very real situation. i can understand their rage and anger as they reflect on what happened in their own state and nearby. >> it happened in my state. i mean, i am from minnesota, and i have pulled over for expired tags, and i can just let you guess what happened to me. nothing. nothing. i was politely told, make sure you make an appointment. go to the dmv and get it handled. you have so much power and know how this body works having been in it so long, what are you going to do? i can't imagine being katie wright this morning and seeing my son dead for expired tags. >> what you've said is reality. i was told once there's some 40,000 outstanding warrants in cook county, illinois, and many of them relate to african-americans and driving on suspended licenses, for example. so you can understand that merely pursuing a warrant can make many people very vulnerable to the same conduct.
here's the bottom line. we need to act on a bipartisan basis in a senate that's evenly divided. 50 republicans, 50 democrats. same thing true on the senate judiciary committee. senator cory booker is the head of the crime subcommittee. this is his special assignment, special passion. he has assured me that he's reaching out in every direction to put together the hearings that will lead to legislation. >> the white house has just announced just yesterday that they are standing down on a promise that then-candidate joe biden made to create a national policing oversight commission. they say it should be through legislation. so basically it should be you guys who do it. can you make any guarantee to the american people that are now seeing this commission not happening through the white house that you'll take care of it? >> well, i can't guarantee results in a 50-50 senate but i can guarantee an effort. sincere and real effort on our part. what we're seeing with daunte wright and george floyd, with breonna taylor, with laquan
mcdonald is a repetition on a almost daily basis of gun violence and repetition of racial incidents that are unacceptable in this country. and for those -- i join those who have criticized the other side who say we're just cancel culture. we want to cancel racism in america. that is the bottom line. >> i'd like to turn to infrastructure and the big push here in washington and ask you a simple question, but a really important one given where this debate has gone. how do you, senator, define infrastructure? >> i can tell you, i do not exclude clean drinking water from the responsibilities of government and not only dealing with public health issues but creating jobs in america. and we have 23% of all the lead pipe leads in america in the chicagoland area. you bet i want to clean up this water supply, and i consider that infrastructure. when it comes to expanding broadband across america, there's some republicans that say, no, that isn't a highway. the hell it isn't. it's an information highway that should be available to every single american.
jerome powell, the chairman of the federal reserve on "60 minutes" sunday night made it clear that we are just on the verge of a dramatic economic comeback. first we have to deal realistically and effectively with the pandemic, and then get prepared. america, we're going to be creating good paying jobs and joe biden wants to lead us into that. >> let me ask you this. i have all the numbers of where this money is allocated. and there is a significant amount of roads, bridges, lead pipes, water, bridges. do you think it would be prudent to split that off into its own bill around 600, $700 billion as supported by even senator roy blunt and get some republican votes on that and then portion the other part off which deals with elder care, child care, into a second bill that maybe you have to push through reconciliation but at least you have republican support on something? >> listen, yesterday the president called a bipartisan meeting of members of congress. republicans and democrats sat
down in the oval office with the vice president and said, let's be honest. let's bargain. can we reach an agreement? that kind of spirit and approach is -- >> but two bills? you want two bills? >> i'm not going to presuppose how this negotiation will end, but as long as there's a good-faith effort to move us forward, take advantage of the economic opportunity that can come our way if we are aggressive and not tentative in our approach, i am going to support it. >> senator dick durbin, we appreciate your support this morning and we really, really hope there is action on capitol hill. >> as do i. >> thank you. daunte wright's family demanding the justice they deserve after he was shot and killed during what should have just been a routine traffic stop. officials now call his death an accident. a lawyer for his family, though, is with us next. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage.
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and they want answers. you know, to have the department come out and just chalk this up to being an accident is by no means proper or enough. there were a number of intentional events that led to their son being dead and we need to find out exactly why each one of those intentional acts happened. >> yeah, why doesn't it settle it? that's what we heard from the police yesterday. oh, it was an accidental discharge. the officer thought she was using a taser. why doesn't that settle things for the family this morning? >> well, let's start at the beginning. why is this young man being stopped. we still have a lot of questions in that regard. but either version that we've heard so far whether it's tabs or air fresheners sounds like a pretextual stop. it's a stop of this young man. soto say that, oh, it was an accident, you know, grabbing
your side arm that you've likely deployed thousands, if not tens of thousands of times is an intentional act. a side arm feels different than a taser. it looks different than a taser. requires different pressure in order to deploy it. so we're going to very much be looking into all of those intentional acts that it took for this officer to squeeze the trigger and kill their son. >> i guess one follow-up to this is, what if it was an accident? what does that do for daunte wright this morning? >> well, we're just not prepared to say that that was an accident, but to your point, even if it were an accident, that doesn't bring daunte wright back to life. and we certainly have to ask ourselves all those important questions about what led up to that discharge. >> officer kim potter who we believe fired the weapon, what does the family want to see happen with her?
>> well, they want accountability. so, you know, we're going to hope that the justice system acts swiftly and acts as wholly, you know, as it can. and, you know, we would expect likely some announcements to come in that regard. >> in terms of her job or in terms of possible charges? >> well, i think we need to wait and see what happens, but i think that either of those two are very real possibilities. >> you also represent the family of george floyd. and yesterday we heard from george floyd's brother philonise whom we've spoken with on "new day" who adored his brother. and that came out during this testimony yesterday. i just want to play a little bit of that. >> he was a big mama's boy. i cry a lot, but george, he loved his mom. he was always -- every mother
loves all of her kids, but it was so unique how they were with each other. >> what did the jury -- why was that important for the jury to hear? >> well, you know, in a murder case, it's an unusual case because you don't get to hear from the victim. the victim. so it's really important to hear who george was as a person because he's not there to tell the jury himself. so that's such an important voice coming from his brother. >> and i want to say the similarity in hearing that from philonise floyd and then hearing what we just heard from daunte wright's mother explain that daunte wright was a father. he was a son. he was a grandson. and he was loved. it just -- these are human beings we're talking about here. and that's something that we have to remember. >> and that's a critical part of policing, right? we need to remember that, you
know, individuals who law enforcement encounter, they're not intended to be the other, right? they're not just inan dimate objects. they're loved. and part of the society that these officers have promised to serve. >> the defense in the george floyd -- in the derek chauvin trial, the defense will present its case probably beginning today. what do you expect from derek chauvin's defense? >> well, i think what we've seen sprinkled throughout, right, they don't have a real theory in this case. i think that it's -- they're going to throw everything against the wall, characterwise, and see what sticks. but i think we're going to see primarily a desperate attempt to blame george for what happened and to provide the jury with a bunch of junk and misleading science to try to convince them that they shouldn't believe
their own eyes and the bevy of very credible experts that they saw already throughout this trial. >> look, there was the body cam for daunte wright. there was the bystander footage for george floyd. what if this footage didn't exist? >> you know, our black communities have been telling us for decades before this type of footage did exist that what was happening to them was wrong. and many times unlawful. and the video evidence is continuing to show us that our black communities were telling us the truth. you know, a case like daunte wright's, you, without that video, you could have an officer say, oh, he reached for my gun and so at that point, i needed to shoot him. or for, you know, for george floyd, individuals who have been killed through prone restraint, asphyxiation, oftentimes that didn't slleave significant
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the cdc and fda are calling for an immediate pause in the use of the j&j coronavirus vaccine. six people who got that vaccine developed a rare blood-clotting disorder within about two weeks of vaccination. j&j stock is down more than 2% in premarket trading on the news. our chief business correspondent christine romans is here.
obviously, this is huge for j&j. >> and watching to see how this shakes out in the overall market for investors. as you know, stock markets have been predicting and forecasting that vaccinations would be very fast, fast adoption. less hesitancy. i think than what we've been seeing. and anything that could cause people to be more hesitant about vaccines or could slow mass vaccination in the united states is something that would be detrimental to the u.s. stock market. stock investors have been living in a different world for the past year, right? the s&p 500, the dow, nasdaq up 20%, 30%, 40% because they see into a post-covid world and the key to that is vaccination. this hiccup for johnson & johnson is something we're watching in terms of the broader market overall. vaccinations really are the answer. and there's no question here that economy to reopen, reopen safely is going to take millions and millions of people who feel safe to be vaccinated. now one reason why i think you're not seeing a bigger
sell-off is because there are two vaccines out there with, right now, that are far more widely available in the united states, right? the johnson & johnson vaccine is 7 million doses have been administered. there are tens of millions of moderna and pfizer. so that, john, is where there's been a lot of energy and not a lot of complaint thus far in terms of side effects. also it's six cases out of millions of doses. six cases with these side effects. watching closely to see if the market can shake through this. >> christine romans, thanks very much. pre-existing shortage of teachers is getting worse in the united states. many are leaving the classroom because the stress of the pandemic forced them out. cnn's bianna golodryga has the latest. >> being a teacher isn't just teaching. it's part of who you are. i had no intention of going anywhere, at least for the next four or five years. >> reporter: 61-year-old annette lane loved her job of 15 years as a teacher in new jersey.
then covid-19 changed everything. >> i had my first panic attack in 60 years of my life. >> reporter: lang had reason to worry. her husband has a pre-existing condition, making him more vulnerable if exposed. she also had concerns about the school building itself. >> windows in my building don't open. and we had concerns about the ventalation. >> reporter: she retired in december. >> do you know of other teachers who made the same decision you did? >> yes, i do. >> teacher retirements are up in several parts of the country. from michigan which saw a 44% spike in midyear teacher retirements to minnesota where teachers applying for retirement benefits this past fall increased by 35%. in new jersey, the teacher shortage is so severe, they're considering hiring teachers licensed in other states. >> there's fear about the safety of coming back in person. particularly in places where the mitigation strategies have not
been well used in schools and where things are opening up before getting rid of mask mandates and things like that sooner than everyone's vaccinated. >> it was a very tough decision to make. i didn't feel safe. and i am pretty sure i can speak for a lot of my colleagues. we did not feel safe going back into the classroom. >> reporter: that fear is why jaime acosta left his job last october after seven years as a teacher in houston to work in a bakery. >> my mental state was just kind of slowly declining, and i said, if i don't leave now, i might never go back to the classroom. >> fewer college students are pursuing careers in the classroom. in one survey, nearly 20% of respondents reported a significant drop in new undergraduate enrollment in teaching programs for fall of 2020. driving home just how crucial it is to retain teachers like
acosta. >> every night i still think about teaching. >> reporter: six months after leaving the field, acosta says he wants to give teaching another shot. >> i really miss hearing the stories that kids would write. >> while her teaching days may be over, lane never stops thinking about her students. >> i miss the kids. i absolutely miss the kids. i didn't get a chance to say good-bye to them. >> teacher attrition due to covid is not a national trend that we're seeing just yet. we're seeing it in pockets of the country. but as you mentioned, teacher attrition has been a trend overall that we have seen going back to 2015 and talking to these two teachers at least, what they are most concerned about in teachers returning to the classroom is how much things are going to change. the interactions they have with students, that personal level, personal connection they have, is going to change and they worry that may impact other teachers' decisions as well. >> it's such an important job. hopefully people will continue to want to do it. bianna golodryga, thanks very
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and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do things no other oven can, like flip away. the ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away. iran's foreign minister said israel attacked an iiranian nuclear site saying it will strengthen tehran's hand in negotiations to revive the nuclear deal with the united states. israel has not officially claimed responsibility. the biden administration says the u.s. was not involved. joining me is retired admiral william mccraven, former head of u.s. special operations command and the author of the new book "the hero code: lessons learned from lives well lived." admiral, i read the book over the weekend. it is wonderful. we're going to talk about that in just a sending. i want to start with the world because there are some hot hot spots, including this attack on the iranian nuclear plant.
you told our friend jake tapper yesterday, it was bad if the u.s. knew about it. bad if the u.s. didn't. what do you mean? >> yeah, well, the fact of the matter is, i don't think the timing could have come at a worse point in time. here we are trying to renegotiate the jcpoa, the iranian nuclear agreement, and if, in fact, the israelis did it it's a little troubling because, again, the world and certainly the iranians will assume one of two things. either we were complicit, we knew this was going to happen or we were ignorant of it and i'm not sure which one is worse. so the israelis have put us in a tough spot. and i'm not sure what they accomplished for it. natanz will be down for a week or so. it was a shot across the bow, but it really doesn't -- i don't think it helps the israelis. it doesn't really roll back the iranian program at natanz and certainly puts us in a difficult spot and complicates our negotiations in vienna. >> i want to ask you about another hot spot.
this is obviously the russian border with ukraine. our matthew chance filed a terrific report yesterday where he was literally on the border with president zelensky running from trench to trench on the border and talked to the ukraine leader about what ukraine wants from the united states and expects from russia. let's listen to a little bit of that. >> is there a chance that the russians could be planning an invasion? >> of course. of course. we know it. we know it can be -- it can be each day. it can be. so they are ready. >> so russia's put 50,000 troops on the ukrainian border. says it's a training exercise. president zelensky wants ukraine to get nato membership. what do you think needs to happen? what does the united states need to do? >> this is going to be the first big foreign policy test for the biden administration. and, you know, the fact of the matter is the administration has come out and they've said we
fully support ukraine, but in that great piece, and it was a fabulous piece, president zelensky says, look, words are not enough. you know, the ukrainians need additional weapons, additional money, additional support. but i did think his proposal to accelerate ukraine's entry into nato was an interesting one. now it is also fraught with some problems because if they come in to nato, then article 5 applies of the nato charter which means an attack on one is an attack on all. it's worth having this discussion because if ukraine comes in, then we are obligated under the nato charter to support them if the russians invade. >> you say interesting. does interesting mean a good idea? >> yeah, it's an idea that needs to be weighed. the fact of the matter is today we don't have a lot of clarity in terms of our dealings with russia or our dealings with china. and i think we need to have some strategic clarity. strategic clarity would be a message to the russians that says, look, we're going to bring ukraine into nato and you can't
cross that line. but again, they'll have to work through this because it does have some pitfalls. >> i want to talk about the hero code which is sort of a guide book for all of us, how we can all be heroes in our own life. i have read all of your books and they're all filled with individual stories of you being in these different places and i feel like sooner or later you're going to run out of stories that you can tell about yourself. it's like you're forrest gump and there's a story about forrest gump in here. that's not the one i want you to tell, though. talk about the importance of humility and the lesson you learned in a chance meeting with astronaut charlie duke. >> yeah, you know, i talk about these noble qualities. people ask me, what makes a hero? and i like, frankly, the textbook definition. it's those people we admire for their noble qualities. the courage, the humility, the perseverance. in this particular story, i happen to be up in dallas. i was doing an event at the
cooper center. and i was sitting around the table with some great friends of mine from dallas. but as i went around the table to introduce myself i met this fellow and his wife at the far end. he introduced himself as charlie. we spent two hours at dinner that night talking. i found out he was in the air force. had been in the air force, but that was about the extent of it. all he wanted to do was talk about my family. he wanted to know about my son in the air force and my other children. he wanted to know about how long my wife and i had been married and where we met. he was so incredibly gracious. as dinner ends and i'm walking down the stairway, roger staubach, the great quarterback from the dallas cowboys comes up to me and says, i see you were talking to charlie. i said, yeah, it was great. he said, wow, can you imagine that. i said imagine what? i mean, imagine. i said, what are you talking about? you know, imagine walking on the moon. i said, roger -- and then it occurred to me, charlie was general charles duke, the youngest man ever to walk on the
moon. and never once in that, you know, hour or so of conversation did he happen to mention the little fact that he walked on the moon. but it was about his humility. and this humility was hard won. he had come back from the moon. was a hero. his wife became a christian and he followed in her footsteps. the fact of the matter is humility is good for all of us. humility makes us appreciate the little things. makes us appreciate the fact that our differences in the world really aren't all that great and maybe that will help unite us. >> you talked to him about flying and asked him what he flew and he said all kinds of things. a rocket to the moon, for instance. you might want to mention that next time. >> the book is "the hero code." it talks about what we can all do to make the world a better place. it's dedicated to people on the front lines. admiral willy mccraven, thanks for beeing with us. can you imagine talking to an astronaut who walked on the moon and asking, what kind of things did you fly and he never
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