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minneapolis suburb, shot and killed a black man, daunte wright, during a traffic stop over the weekend. just moments ago, the county-medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. it was the noenl item along those lines, though. an army lieutenant pepper sprayed outside norfolk, virginia, after admitting he was terrified to get out of his car late-last year. i am honestly afraid to get out, he is heard to say. in the response, one of the officers tells him, yeah, you should be. and as if to emphasize that fear cuts both ways, two police officers were shot and wounded earlier this morning, during a high-speed chase west of atlanta. all of this, of course, is happening with the twin cities, already, on edge, as the prosecution continues to make its case against a former-minneapolis police officer, in the killing of george floyd. president biden spoke to the moment, and the mood, this afternoon. >> are you concerned things could be on a razor's edge, sir? >> i'm not going to speculate, now. i'm -- i'm hopeful that there'll be a -- a verdict and an outcome, that will be supported
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by the vast majority of the people in the region. and that's my expectation. >> shortly before airtime, the president tweeted this message. quote, today i am thinking about daunte wright and his family. and the pain, anger, and trauma that black-america experiences every day. while we await a full investigation, we know what we need to do to move forward. rebuild trust to ensure accountability, so no one is above the law. cnn's adrienne broaddus is in brooklyn center, minnesota, for us tonight. so, adrienne, daunte wright's death was ruled a homicide in just the last hour, i'm curious what reaction people there, on the ground, had? and what is the latest that you are seeing there? >> you know, people here, on the ground, anderson, are upset. at this hour, change is going to come is playing in the background as protestors take over the streets here in brooklyn center. the group here wants to know, when will that change come? they are talking about this trial of derek chauvin taking place. about 10-miles away from here, for the death of george floyd. and here, they had to hear, once
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again, another black man died at the hands of police. and i want to warn you, the video you are about to see is disturbing. around 2:00 p.m., local time sunday, police pulled over wright. the police chief says they stopped daunte wright because he had an expired registration on his license plate. the released footage begins minutes into the stop. and shows police walking up to the car, and then wright is seen stepping out of his vehicle. police, then, tried to take wright into custody. after discovering he has an outstanding warrant. the video shows wright begins to resist. as cuffs are placed on him, and he gets back into the vehicle. >> taser, taser, taser! i just shot him. >> as i watched the video and listened to the officer's commands. it is my belief, that the officer had the intention to deploy their taser. but instead, shot mr. wright
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with a single bullet. this appears, to me, from what i viewed, and the officer's reaction and distress, immediately after, that this was an accidental discharge, that resulted in a tragic death of mr. wright. the officer is currently on administrate efb leave. >> wright drove several blocks before hitting another vehicle, according to police. police and medical personnel attempted lifesaving measures following the crash but wright died at the scene. wright's mother, katie, told cnn affiliate, kr tv, she was on the phone with her son before the shooting. it's unclear to cnn how katie wright knew police had hung up the phone. protects erupted in a suburb outside minneapolis in the aftermath of his shooting. hundreds taking to the street sunday night, clashing with police. the national guard was, also, on the scene. the situation turned violent. crowds marching toward the police department, swarmed police cars, and started destroying them.
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police moved in to disperse the crowds. the chief of police, also, said, bricks and frozen-soda cans were thrown at officers. injuring one, who was taken to the hospital. and while, one group stayed at the police department, a second group of protestors went to a strip mall, where businesses were broken into and looted. >> we recognize that this couldn't have happened at a worse time. >> reporter: the city of brooklyn center is only about-10 miles from where former-police officer, derek chauvin, is on trial for the killing of george floyd. the chief of police says he released the footage to be transparent, and became emotional when i asked, what was on his heart? >> i am the leader of this department. they expect me to lead. create a safe city. that's what i am trying to do. so, that's -- that's it. okay? and, yeah, i'm emotional.
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>> for the officer who -- who shot daunte wright, what is their status on the department? are they still on active duty? >> the officer, who shot daunte wright, is on administrative leave. but members of the community are calling for her to be fired. and they're, also, asking, they say demanding, the chief of police in brooklyn center resign. anderson. >> adrienne broaddus, appreciate your reporting. thank you. joining us now, cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, laura coates. also, andrew mccabe. and cnn law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey. chief ramsey, just from a policing standpoint, can you explain how this could have happened? and how officers are trained to avoid a tragic mistake like this? >> well, first of all, this shouldn't have happened. the taser -- in fact, if you go back to 2009, fruitville station in oakland.
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bart officers that shot. from that point on, every department i am aware of now, they require officers to wear the taser, on the opposite side, the weak side, away from the gun. so it's a cross-draw. making it very, very difficult, if not impossible, to make that kind of mistake. what happened here, i have no idea. the taser was on the opposite side, as it should be. she drew it, or at least drew a firearm thinking -- at least that's what wshe is saying. that it was the taser fired the shot. it should not happen. it was negligence, no dquestion about it. training and everything else should have kicked in. she's a veteran. not a rookie. it just should not have happened. >> it's so interesting because as -- as you see, in the video, you hear her saying, i believe it's her, the officer, saying taser, taser, taser. which i guess, is what you are supposed to say, before you fire a taser. >> it is. >> and you see the gun, i
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assume, she will argue, that, in the heat of the moment, with adrenaline pumping and as you say, though, she is an experienced officer. she says she believed it was a taser that she was firing. >> well, it's still negligence. again, she yelled taser. like she was supposed to do but she didn't pull a taser. she pulled a firearm. so it's, clearly, negligence that is involved in this case. now, whether or not she is charged or not, i don't know. it certainly is possible in minnesota. we know that's one of the charges against derek chauvin. so, it's very possible that she might be charged. but that's up to the district attorney or attorney general to make that type of decision. but, it just shouldn't have happened. and it's just pure negligence, on her part. >> andrew, in a case like this, too, and we've seen a number of cases. where the underlying charge or the underlying suspicion, or the reason somebody was pulled over, in the first place is, often, relatively minor, compared to
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what ends up happening. resulting in -- in a death. when you see this entire interaction, what stands out to you? >> boy, anderson. so many things stand out to me. there's the issue that you just raised. you have a young man, who was pulled over for driving on a tag that bore an expired registration. i mean, that -- every one of us who's who's driven a car before has been pulled over for something like that. it typically is a window r roll-down and a police officer tells you to get your paperwork in order and sends you on your way. in this case, they also discovered that he had an outstanding warrant for a misdemeanor. not even a felony warrant. so, really, really hard questions to be answered here, tonight, by those officers. about why they took an incredibly minor situation, like this, escalated it to that level? and i -- i would say, also, to tag onto -- to chief ramsey's
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comments, which i agree with, wholeheartedly. there are other mistakes, here. they made the choice to get him out of the vehicle, and then, let him stand right in front of the open door. instead of walking him to the back of the vehicle. they, basically, created a situation, where he could -- he had easy access to get back in the car. and then, everything -- now, you have a much bigger problem on your hands so lots of very tough questions to be answered. >> and, laura, if someone is str st trying to flee from a traffic stop, which is what he seemed to be doing. legally, what are officers allowed to do? because courts have looked into this. >> well, an -- yeah, the courts have. in fact, the supreme courts looked into it and they have said, already, very clearly, that a fleeing suspect, still, deserves to have the use-of-force continuum applied. you don't just get to use deadly force or some sort of excessive force, or even force, in general, to pursue a fleeing suspect, unless there is some basis to believe that the amount
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of force you're using is reasonable. necessary and proportional. in other words, you cannot substitute deadly force, for cardiovascular activities of pursuit. the idea, here, being that, you have to, still, judge and reassess the use of force you are using. this probably sounds familiar, anderson, for people watching because we have been doing this the better part of two weeks in the derek chauvin trial. this force continuum. nothing about the call cuculus cha changes short of being in pursuit of an ongoing spree or crime of some sort. officers need to assess the amount of force they are using. and so, what you see here, the tragedy of this. as andrew was talking about and commissioner ramsey. the idea of going from an expired tab of some sorts, to
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this notion without any justification or reasonable use of force. and as president biden has said, the investigation as to whether it, indeed, was an accident or not. unfortunately, because of a trust gap in our community and -- and the ideas of the police officers. that will have to be explored. >> laura, i mean, the chief of police says that the officer in question, here, is a, quote, very-senior officer. called it an accidental discharge. the medical examiner's now ruled mr. wright's death a homicide. do you expect to see charges in the case? i mean, the -- the case chief ramsey mentioned in oakland, california. the officer involved was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, after he said he mistook his firearm for a taser and shot and killed oscar grand. >> that's true. and, of course, there was some other factors and nuances from that case, that might make it distinct from this one. there was other testimony to suggest that perhaps one of the officers involved may not have believed that they were mistakenly drawing a taser. i don't know that to be the case here. but what i do know is the term,
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negligence, has a legal definition. you know, the idea it has to be that somebody was aware of some appreciative -- appreciable risk and they consciously disregard it for some reason. or they created an opportunity, that they created a substantial risk to human life. and so, if there was something about the placement of this taser that ran counter to the training. if there was something about what she did, in terms of moving in towards the driver seat and using her weapon, whether it was a taser or a firearm. we know it was a firearm. it was something about her approach to this particular suspect that goes off of the use of force, and, of course, we know that a 20-year-old has now died. well, then that's part of the legal terminology around negligence. but there could be other charges. or there could be less. remember, the powerful-police union. this officer has not, yet, been fired. we don't know if she will be. on administrative leave. and we heard that chief, with adrienne's great question, that officer's was due, due process. i would note, what was not afforded to mr. wright.
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even before tonight's curfew was declared in and around the twin cities, the twins postponing their home game with the boston red sox, as did the timber wolves. meantime, in the killing of george frloyd, the prosecution s expected to wrap up. the defense begin its case, tomorrow. today saw more-expert testimony in the use of force and cause of death. but the most notable witness was an expert in neither. only, what it's like to lose a brother. more, from cnn's sara sidner. >> he was a big, mama's boy. >> reporter: george floyd's brother, philonise floyd, took the stand to tell the jurors who his brother was, before his death sparked worldwide protests. >> he just was, like, a person that everybody loved around the community.
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he -- he just knew how to make people feel better. >> reporter: in may, 2020, floyd uttered the word "mama" several times, before he died. >> he loved her so dearly. >> reporter: his brother says, floyd was crushed when his mother died, in may, 2018. >> george just sat there, at the casket, over and over again, he would just say, mama. mama. over and over, again. and i didn't know what to tell him, because i was in pain, too. we, all, were hurting. and he was just kissing her. he was just kissing her. he didn't want to leave the casket. >> reporter: floyd's family testimony is one of the last the jurors heard in the prosecution's case. >> the state will call dr. jonathan rich. >> reporter: the prosecution started the day calling another medical expert. dr. jonathan rich. an expert in cardiology determined floyd died, because of the officer's actions. >> do you have an opinion, as to whether george floyd would have lived, if not for mr. chauvin's
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subdual and restraint of him for 9 minutes and 29 seconds on the ground? >> yes, i believe he would have lived. >> reporter: again, chauvin's attorney tried to get the doctor to admit there were other possibilities for floyd's death, such as drugs or heart disease. and one more thing. floyd's own actions. >> if mr. floyd had simply gotten in the backseat of the squad car, do you think that he would have survived? >> had he not been restrained, in the way in which he was, i think, he would have survived that day. >> reporter: the prosecution is expected to rest, soon. then, it will be the defense's turn to try and unravel the prosecution's case with their own witnesses. the prosecution, again, played the video of floyd being detained for the jury. as they questioned another use-of-force expert. >> looking at the threat analysis here, it's clear, from the number of officers and mr. floyd's position, the fact that he's handcuffed and has been searched. he doesn't present a threat of
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harm. >> reporter: before the jurors arrived to court, chauvin's attorney, eric nelson, presented an argument to the court that the jurors should be sequestered because of a recent officer-involved shooting just outside minneapolis. less-than-24 hours before court began, police killed a young, black man, named daunte wright. sparking fresh protest and riots in brooklyn center. >> this incident, while it is, i understand, it's not this case. i understand that it is not involved. that it does not involve these same parties. but the problem is that the emotional response that, that case creates, sets the stage for a jury to say, i'm not going to vote not guilty, because i'm concerned about the outcome. >> reporter: the judge denied the request to sequester the jury. and the case continued unabated. >> and sara sidner joins us, now. do we know what else the
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prosecution has planned? and when, exactly, the defense is expected to start their presentation? >> yeah, the judge expects the defense to start their case tomorrow. we have not gotten an official end to the prosecution's case. but we expect it to come tomorrow, when the judge says that the defense is expected to start its case. and i do want to mention, where i am standing. i am actually standing in the spot, where daunte wright took some of his last breaths. and just behind me, over my left shoulder, there. you will see a fist, standing strong there. that was, actually, the original fist that was brought out to george floyd's square, right near where george floyd died. a lot of these folks who were here, were there protesting his death. now, they're here, protesting yet, another, death at the hands of police. >> sara sidner, thanks so much. appreciate it. back with laura coates and joining us is criminal-defense attorney, mark o'mara. so, laura, we heard both very technical testimony from the cardiologist, today, and obviously the very emotional
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testimony that floyd's brother gave. i wonder, do you expect one to have a bigger impact on the jury than the other? >> well, you know, what's odd here, anderson, how odd is it a family member were able to testify if they were not an eyewitness, an expert witness? minnesota has a unique doctrine that essentially says, a murder victim, you are able to call a witness that gives some character evidence about that person to bring them to life as, not somebody, who is the phrasing is just bones. the idea of humanizing the person for the jury and this is very, very important, of course, because we've heard from his girlfriend, at the time, before he passed away. we heard her testimony. we heard about the different people, who were bystanders. even one person during the video shouting, but he's a human being, though. and this consistent theme of trying to make sure people know that, although he has become an illustrative symbol of officer-involved shootings of unarmed black men and women across this country. this case was, specifically, about the death of george floyd. and making it a point of reference, as opposed to one
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about greater society. which can cut both ways as you saw today from the defense attempt to try to sequester the jury. >> mark, is that common, in courtrooms around the country? that allowing somebody to come in and play that role, to kind of humanize a -- a -- a victim? because the defense chose not to cross-examine the brother, which i imagine, you would agree with their decision there. >> definitely. just, they would -- from the defense standpoint, they would want him off the stand i guess as quick as possible. >> although, there are times when you do need to. but having said that, no, it is unique. there are not many states that allow that type of, what's called, spark-of-life testimony. which is personalizing the victim of a homicide in front of the jury. and i think it's extraordinarily compelling, the way it was presented. because, in fact, that's what you want. you want that jury to have, as one of the last witnesses from the state, the idea of a family member, a brother, coming in and
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talking about that now decedent. because that's just so compelling, every one of those jurors has a family member. and the idea of connecting, like that, with a brother is -- is very compelling and it's going to sit with them throughout the rest of the trial. which is, exactly, what the prosecution wants. >> i -- i should point out, the images our viewers are seeing from two affiliates is in brooklyn center in minnesota. out -- people gathering outside the police station. as you know, there's a curfew that is now in effect. but people are -- are remaining. and obviously, there is a heavy-police presence on the ground, there. laura, the cardiologist testified that, if mr. floyd had not been restrained in the way that he was, he would have survived that day. his testimony lines up with what we heard from other medical experts, so far. do you expect the defense who begins their case tomorrow, to try to have their own expert witnesses to try to rebut what we heard, already, on -- on the medical front? because clearly, they have been trying to poke holes in it or at least raise the suggestion that,
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well, pre-existing-heart conditions, drug use, played a role. >> oh, they're going to need to. i mean, the idea of allowing the testimony of, not only all of the laymen and the bystanders and the law-enforcement officials and the use-of-force experts. but the pulmonologist, the forensic pathologist, the medical examiner, the idea of a cardiologist, now another constitutional-law scholar. the prosecutors are -- do not intend to do any favors to the defendant in a way to make him avoid having to testify. you see, they have now allowed the jury to linger with that question, and to wrestle with the question of, why didn't this officer know what so many others, from layman and beyond, know? now, what they are going to have to do is say, look. we have got our own experts here. and they actually look at this video differently. they view his heart-and-lung arrest. the cardiopulmon cardiopulmonar
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differently. they view the use of force as far-more subjective than what is being talked about as best practices. because if they don't prove that, if they allow it just to linger and fester in the minds of the jury. the question will be, well, why did you -- why are you the lone person, across the spectrum, who did not understand that what you were doing was applying deadly force, unnecessarily, unreasonably, even when people implored you to stop? >> mark, at this point, with the defense taking over, now, to -- to make their -- to make their defense. how much of what they plan to do is already set in stone? and how much have they, now, had to kind of recalibrate based on what has already occurred in the court? >> so, most of it is set in stone, at this point. obviously, part of what the defense does is see how well they did it and then find holes, find the cracks in that armor because that's where they are going to find the argument of reasonable doubt. which is why we have had a state, sort of, preempt a lot of that by being so, very
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particular, meticulous, maybe almost over the top, in bringing out these experts. the cardiologist may be considered sort of over the top because we have heard it before. but i got to tell you. i thought that the expert they brought in. the professor did a great job because, as laura just said, he has now said, probably, two-dozen times, a reasonable officer would have done this. a reasonable officer would have done that. so it almost begs the question of who is going to say why chauvin did it? if not for chauvin, himself. the defense is going to bring in their experts. sort of, if you think about almost chapter, by chapter, by chapter, they have to respond to what the state did. but the bottom line is they have got to find reasonable doubt in the cause of death, which they have tried throughout all of cross-examination. and try and convince one, two, and three jurors that the state's case is not as pristine as they make it sound, by presentation of their own experts. >> yeah. mark o'mara, laura coates. thank you. we have breaking news just
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important to point out that if anyone knows the pain associated with the killing of a loved one that blossomed into one of the highest-profile trials in recent history. it's theother of trayvon martin, 17-year-old young man who was killed in february, 2012, by a neighborhood watchman, named george zimmerman who was ultimately found not guilty of second-degree murder. sabrina fulton became a public a activist and she joins me now. you testified, as i recall, in the -- in the trial of the -- the man who shot your son. it -- it must take an incredible amount of strength to -- to take that stand. >> it -- it, absolutely, does, anderson. first of all, thank you for having me. but it just bothers you to have to relive the tragedy, over and over and over. that's what the family is -- is going through right now. the trauma of just experiencing, just seeing the visual of that,
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just over and over and over, again. is -- it -- it -- it -- it -- it is very traumatic. >> your organization, the trayvon martin foundation, works to bring, together, families who have lost their children through violence. i mean, every time there is a new video, another person's death is played over and over. i can't imagine the impact that has on people, who -- who have been left behind. and other mothers and fathers and family members, who have experienced this same kind of thing. it must just bring it all back. >> absolutely. it's -- it's we call it triggers because it triggers what we have already gone through. a lot of people call them stories but it's not a story, for us. because we have to live with this our entire life. it doesn't go away. and we can't go to the next story, and then the next story, and then the next story. this is a tragedy, that we have to experience. and then, we have to struggle with grieving. our entire life, we have to heal from what we have gone through. and just to see it happen over and over and over, again.
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i mean, it -- it -- it's -- it's -- it's very hurtful. >> you know, there have been so many calls, and talk about police reforms. about changes, that can be made, that should be made. and there have been changes, along the way. has it been enough? >> absolutely not. if -- if we can see a video of a man being killed. a man's last breath. a man calling out for his mother. we, definitely, need to do some -- some more reforms. we definitely need to do -- make sure that we have different policies and procedures, and they're being enforced. and i think that's the problem. i think, we have policies and procedures in place but they're not being enforced. so, we have to witness people being killed. people being shot in the back. people with a knee on their neck. people just -- for -- for trivial things, being killed. i mean, people's lives, it seems to me, are just nonchalant, when it comes to certain people.
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you know? and that's people of color. and, you know, we got to be more -- more mindful of what's going on, right now. and -- and we can't ignore what we're seeing. >> it's been nine years, since your son, trayvon, was -- was killed. his -- his killing helped lead to the black lives matter movement. what do you -- what do you think it needs to happen, moving forward now? >> i think, they -- they still -- it needs to be brought more awareness. but we still need more action. not only from the police department, as far as reform is concerned. but more -- more action, from organizations, that are supposed to be in place to help these families. to help these organizations. and so, we just got to keep pushing forward. black lives matter needs to be doing a lot more than what they're doing, just to try to help and -- and -- and -- and to decrease a lot of these things that are happening with these
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tragedies and these families. >> when it comes to race and justice on a national level, president biden campaigned on the promise of creating a white house led policing commission. his administration just announced today that they won't be moving forward with a commission. but support making the george floyd justice in plolicing act into law. is that a step in the right direction, you think? >> i think that's a step in the right direction. but they definitely need a commi committee, too, as an oversight committee so they can move things a little further. we can't just sit around and watch people being killed. it doesn't matter what color you are. but we shouldn't be so comfortable with watching people being killed. as i look at the video of george floyd. i think about children's rights, women's rights, civil rights. but what about george floyd' basic-human right? and we have to get back to the basics. what about human rights? just the fact that, that was a adult-male that was not an animal that was on the ground. that was a human being. and his life was taken, right
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before us. and after we saw that video, we couldn't take it back. we couldn't unsee what we had already saw. and that's why it's affecting so many people. >> sabrina fulton, i appreciate you being with us. thank you. >> thank you. up next. we have breaking news about another shooting, and this time, at a high school in knoxville, tennessee. the latest, when we continue. this is wealth. ♪ ♪ this is worth. that takes wealth. but this is worth. and that - that's actually worth more than you think. don't open that. wealth is important, and we can help you build it. but it's what you do with it, that makes life worth living. principal. for all it's worth.
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rely on the experts at 1800petmeds for the same medications as the vet, but for less with fast free shipping. visit today. there is more breaking news tonight involving another shooting. this time, at a high school in knoxville, tennessee, where police say gunfire was exchanged between police and the shooter. nick valencia joins us, now, with the latest. so what do we know about how this shooting unfolded? >> hey there, anderson. we just got an update a short time ago from the state bureau of investigations is and they tell us local-knoxville police responded to reports of a male subject, armed, on campus. believed to be a teenaged student, at the high school. when knoxville police arrived at the scene, he was in one of the restrooms there of the high school. they exchanged words with him, according to police, and that's when he fired, they say, at an officer, striking him in the
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leg. officers returned fire, they say, striking the suspect dead. he was pronounced dead, at the scene. and that's really how it all unfolded. >> and any more information about the officer who was injured? >> yeah. he was, you know, he sustained non-life-threatening injuries. he was transferred to ut medical center according to the police chief, eve thomas, there in knoxville. as of about 30-minutes ago, he was in surgery. his condition was serious and she is asking for prayers. and you know, anderson, she mentioned something pretty chilling during the press conference, a short time ago. saying this was sort of a nightmare scenario. not only getting the call that there was a shooting on a high-school campus. but also, the call that there was an officer down. it took about-two hours to secure the scene, before knoxville county or the knoxville county superintendent said that parents and guardians could show up at the school. no doubt, tearful reunions with those students there. you know, school shooting, any time, you hear something like that, it's a parent's worst nightmare. and of course, that was underscored by the police chief there in knoxville. we know that, for the next two
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days, school is going to be closed. and we, still, don't know a clear motive, yet. but one really interesting fact being reported by local affiliate, wate, is since the start of the year, you know, we are just four months into the year here. and this is the fifth-related shooting to that austin high school in knoxville. so, a lot of stuff happening there, for the school. and very short amount of time into the school year. anderson. >> and just be clear because i am a little confused. was this person a student at the school? and -- and did somebody see them with a gun? or how was it, that place got there, in the first place? >> yeah. they -- they didn't really clarify that. and it's believed to be that the student -- or that the suspect, i should say, was believed to be a student at the high school. you know, we did put in a call to the high school. they say school goes until about 3:00. the first calls that police got were about 3:15, when they responded. so, that's -- you know, that's what we know, at this point. tbi is still investigating.
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there were body cameras worn and surveillance footage they are going to be reviewing. >> nick hvalencia, thanks so much. in minnesota, the curfew has been in effect for about 45 minutes or so. cnn's shimon prokupecz is there for us, now. shimon. >> yeah. so anderson, we are here, live, outside the police station where there was that confrontation with police last night. and there are thousands of people gathered around us here. as you can see, i'm here, right up against the fence, anderson. a lot of the protestors have been coming to the fence. screaming at the police. the police, at one point, several of them just gathered around. they called it more reinforcement [ inaudible ] in those yellowish-neon colors. to try to push some of the protestors back. and then, some of the protestors start running when they think the police are about to come this way. as you can see, what -- what they're doing here. it is well-past curfew.
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so it's unclear, what the police are going to, ultimately, do here. but certainly, right now, the police are standing back. and allowing them to remain on the scene. at some point, it appears as though the police will come through this gate here, through this fencing. someone just threw a stick at the police, here. and as you can see, this is kind of been the scene out here. >> back up, back up. >> reporter: anderson, for the las last-45 minutes or so. with many of them coming to the fence, raising their hands, saying don't shoot. and the police are just standing around, right now, trying to figure out, really, what they're going to do. if they're going to force them to leave, because it is well-past curfew. but right now, anderson, it does not appear that the police are going to ask them to leave or disperse. we're waiting to see if police, ultimately, do that. but right now, they are not doing that. they are just standing there.
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and i just want to show you some more shots. here's announcement here, anderson, from the police. it's -- yeah, so, anderson, they are announcing the curfew now. and here we go. here, the police are now moving in. and you see, the one officer, anderson. he's holding -- this is what they shoot the tear gas. so, the question, now, is will the police force them back? we're going to move back here, anderson. >> and, shimon, is this the first time, tonight, that the police have moved outside of the area of their station? or, looks like, now they're -- they're not. >> so, yes. this is -- well, at least it's the first time that they've -- doing so.
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more water bottles being thrown. so far, the police have been fairly restrained. they have been staying behind these fences. as you just heard, they made that announcement. for people announcing that there is a curfew. so right now, everyone is just sort of standing around, waiting to see what will happen. but yeah, anderson, that was the first time, since i have been standing here, that the police showed any sort of movement that they were going to try to disperse them. and now, you can see, anderson, the crowd is starting to go, again, towards the fence. and we will see what the police here do. >> okay. shimon, we'll continue to mon -- >> police are just standing back, anderson. >> -- we will continue to monitor this with you and your images. i want to bring in vermont senator, bernie sanders, who joins us. sen senator sanders, thanks so much for being with us. i want to talk to you about
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infrastructure and the president's plans but just given what's going on now in minnesota -- given what's going on now in -- in minnesota. obviously, we're seeing another, deadly encounter with police unfold, this weekend. just-miles away from where the chauvin trial is -- is ongoing. what do you make of -- of what we are witnessing? >> i'm sorry. are you talking to me, anderson? >> yeah, i'm sorry, senator. >> oh, sorry. i didn't -- >> yeah. no, it's okay. we want a to talk about infrastructure with you and the biden administration, talking about their infrastructure plans. but before we do, we just had a report and we have some pictures up from brooklyn center, minnesota. where a large number of demonstrators have gathered, and there's a police station that they are outside of, now. given what we have seen just in the last couple days, in terms of the death of another person, at the hands of -- of police. and the chauvin trial going on. can more be done? >> this is a tragic movie that we have seen, over and over and over, again. countless times.
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and i think, the word has got to get out. we need major, major police-department reform. lethal force has got to be the very-last resort. we need police departments that reflect dem -- demographics of the communities they serve. our police officers must be held accountable for their actions. and we need to redefine what police do. so there is an enormous amount of work that has to be done to make sure that police deputies are constructive and not destructive forces within their communities. >> the biden, president biden had campaigned on campaigned on forming a commission on police reforms, on policing. is that something you would like to see happen? >> absolutely, absolutely. i mean, it's a very long discussion, but the bottom line is that we need major, major reform in so many respects in terms of police departments all across this country. >> on infrastructure, the biden
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administration says it's open to negotiation around its $2 trillion infrastructure package. how confident are you that can actually happen when so many republicans in congress remain beholden to the former president and continue to peddle, you know, the big lie and conspiracy theories. do you trust them to negotiate? >> well, the devil will be in the details, and if republicans are serious about wanting to create millions of jobs, rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges and wastewater plants and so forth, that's great. if they are serious about working with us to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel so we can combat climate change, that would be great. frankly, between you and me, i have my doubts that that will happen, but, you know, our goal is not to negotiate for a very long period of time. we have crises facing this country. we've got to create millions of
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good paying jobs. we must combat climate change. you got to build millions of units and retro fit units of affordable housing and in my view, when we talk about infrastructure, anderson, we're not just talking about physical infrastructure, as important as that is, roads and bridges, et cetera. we're talking about human infrastructure. and what that means -- i'm sorry. >> well, no, sorry to interrupt, but there's also on that point, there is this battle going on right now to define what infrastructure is. you and other democrats are arguing things like home health care job training should fall under the umbrella of infrastructure. those, you know, there are others who say those are clearly not infrastructure. is the definition accurate? >> i think the definition of infrastructure are the goods and services and structures that maintain a society, and when you define infrastructure in that
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way, to me if a mom and dad go to work in the morning, they have the right to know that their children, their little kids are going to be in quality child care that they can afford. when i talk about infrastructure, i am talking about the fact that today in america -- this is unbelievable. you got millions of senior citizens who have no teeth in their mouth, unable to digest the food that they are eating. they cannot hear well and are isolated from their kids and grandchildren in their communities. they can't hear, and people have trouble seeing because the cost of dental care, the cost of eyeglasses, the cost of hearing aids is astronomically high, and we got to deal with that. and that's why i am fighting to expand medicare to include dental care, eyeglasses, hearing aids, lower the age of eligibility for medicare to 60, and we pay for that by finally
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having the courage, anderson, to take on the greed of the pharmaceutical industry, which charges us by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. so if we can have medicare negotiate prescription drug prices, we will save approximately $450 billion over a ten-year period, which will enable us to expand medicare and provide dental, hearing aid and vision cares and lower the cost -- lower the age of eligibility. so to my mind, what infrastructure is not only physical infrastructure. it is human infrastructure. it is understanding that we have a life expectancy in this country. we don't talk about it very much, 39th in the world, and for lower income and working class people, the numbers are even worse. so when we talk about human infrastructure, it means doing what many countries around the
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world have done for years, and that is provide the basic health care and child care and pay family and medical leave that their families require. >> senator sanders, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. we are continuing to watch the scene here in brooklyn center, minnesota. as events change, we will bring you the latest. we'll be right back. vo: calling all builders, all welders, and roofers. engineers and electricians. calling all brick masons and boiler makers. steel workers and steam fitters your country is calling you to rebuild america. to create a cleaner, safer, more prosperous future for all. tackling climate change, this is the job of our lifetime.
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right now we continue to follow the scene in brooklyn center, minnesota. you see protesters on the streets with curfews now in effect after another fatal police shooting. as we follow that story, we also want to update you on a story about a young man named billy donovan. his story was part of a larger series we did while covering a major medical crisis, the opioid crisis. we're sad to report tonight that billy has passed away. billy had dreams of being a tattoo artist and was a father to a young which i would. -- child. when gary tuchman met belly on the streets he was 31 years old and he'd been living on the
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streets south of downtown boston for a while. billy had struggled with addiction for most of his life. he told gary that he'd started on pills when he was 13 years old and after that it was heroin. first snorting it, then injecting it. addiction was such a struggle for billy he couldn't actually stop shooting up the first time that gary met him. >> so is it possible for you to stop shooting the heroin while we talk? >> if i had gotten it in me, it would be but -- >> that's what i'm wondering, you feel such a strong urge that you can't stop while we talk? >> yeah, yeah. there's nothing that would stop me, and that's how bad it gets. >> are you afraid you're going to die from this? >> i know i'm going to die from this. >> billy had gone through treatment many times, but he always relapsed. his mom had tried many times to get the help he needed, as so many families do, but at the time we met billy, she wasn't sure where he was until our report. that's when some friends got him