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katie wright, arrebury, they di not deserve this. >> on the phone right now, naisha wright is the aunt of daunte wright. and she's asking people to say his name. daunte wright. he was shot and killed by police yesterday who pulled him over for a routine traffic stop and now he is no longer with us. the aunt is on the road traveling from alabama, she told us, making her way to brooklyn center. and you can see, sarah is getting ready. we'll go to her in a minute. i forget, you told me you had been, i forget how long you'd been on the road. you had to stop and pick up your mother and you've been on the road to pick up your family. and you said the family is broken hearted. not a broken family. and you're heart broken but you're going on get there. how many more time? do you know how much more time
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you have to get there? >> according to my gps, we'll make 30th 11:00 something in the morning. >> yeah. >> so we talked about the mother. we didn't really talk about the father. you did. have you spoken to the dad? you said it is arbury, right? >> yes. i've never heard or seen my brother cry. do you know how that feels for me to hear my brother call out for his son? nobody should have to feel this painful nobody. my brother is so hurt. he's good man. he's been there for his kids.
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this age no broken home. it's not no broken home. he's been there. >> well, thank you. we're so sorry and we want you, listen, i know you'll try to drive straight through. make sure you do it safely. i know there's probably no rest for you but we want you to be safe. thank you for joining us and be well. your mom is with you. please travel safely. we on love to have you book once you're in a place where you can talk to us again. again, so sorry. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. so we're covering the breaking news that's happening in brooklyn center of minnesota. this is never easy. i'm don lemon. it's the top of the hour. it's never easy to cover these stories. there are always multiple sides to cover these stories and there's always a family in grief and in pain. regardless of how you might feel
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about the situation, these are human beings involved in this. and her pain is palpable. and the family's pain, you can imagine, is palable as well. we'll get to the season of the unrest in a moment. this will continue to play out. i want to talk about the human side, the human side of this. this is what a family is dealing with, regardless. circumstances. whether you think he shouldn't have run, whatever happened. the police officer again admitting that they made a mistake. that there was some mistake made. obviously there was a mistake made. and whether that mistake was, it wasn't warranted. policing is a profession where i know no one is mistake-less. no one is perfect but it is a profession where you have to minimize the mistakes. that's the difference between life and death. police officers are thegate keepers between life and death. and this is obviously a
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situation where training or lack of, lack there of, came into play. nervousness, concern about someone, what have you. but again, these are tough situations. and i know everyone likes to jump on the band wagon and say why did this happen, why did that happen? these are human beings who have family and loved ones and now their loved one is gone for a misdemeanor, allegedly a misdemeanor warn and a violation from a traffic stop. as you look at all the pictures. many are coming in from our affiliates around the country. we have reporters in front of the camera having covered these a million times. it will flare up and go back down, flare up and go back down. i wanted to get the human part in there as we cover the breaking news. shimon is our man on the ground. i imagine that there is some flare-up where you're happening.
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his signal is going in and out. take it away. >> reporter: you're absolutely right. you've covered these situationsle, many times. the point is right. things will quiet down is that there will be flare-ups and it comes when police are starting to move through. we are now probably three blocks away, if not more, from the police station. this is how far back now the police, the state troopers here, the police officers have been moving the protesters back. there are far more police officers out here now than there are protesters. you can hear some of them. they're loud. but there aren't many. >> the signal for shimon is breaking up. we'll continue and try to get him back.
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he's in the middle of the unrest, working under conditions of covid and not all of the equipment that we usually have out. sometime they're in places you can't get a great signal. breaking news. i'm sure you understand how that works. specially now in this time of zooming and people skyping in. signals go in and out. i'm sure it's not a big deal. sara sidner is there. as you know, we've been dealing with this, sadly, these situations for well over, well, for a year now. almost a year now. this unrest. and here we are at the seem of another unrest. protests happening in brooklyn center, minnesota. what's going on behind you? >> i'm going to take you as close as i can to the police line. there are hundreds of police officers out here. the protesters are much fewer, as you heard him say. at this point than police where
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we are. this is the line. it goes all the way around and slowly, slowly, they push people back. they have announced several times this is a unlawful assembly according to police and you will be arrested if they catch you. we've watched them defeat at left two people. one at the gas station, the other thin gas station. just down this road, there were hundreds of protesters. you can see the equipment that the police have from very large vehicles here that look militaristic. that's a state trooper's vehicle, there are police, sheriffs, state troopers out here. we know the curfew was a few hours ago. that's when it started, at 7:00 p.m. local time. they are telling people, look, the curfew is in place and there is an unlawful assembly. there are a lot of people who
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don't give a darn to put it mildly. they say they'll be out here. this is their community and they are not going. they are not going anywhere. you can hear honking horns, you can hear people screaming at the officers and you can hear calm as well. now the protests have been pushed so far back into the neighborhood and down the street. all you are seeing is just blocks of police officers from different agencies. that looks way down there like maybe the park police, if i'm not mistaken. no. it's a state trooper. you are seeing all the agencies that are here and a huge swatch machine. there are two officers inside. officers surrounding it. and slowly, they are pushing people away from the precinct, away from the complexes people were standing in and trying to move everybody out. that's the situation in brooklyn center. this is about nine or 10 miles
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from minneapolis. a lot of folks coming from minneapolis. a lot of folks i talked to were at the protest when george floyd was breathing his last breaths and died in front of cup foods at what is now being called george floyd square. a lot of things converging. it has been feeling like bottleneck of frustration and worry in the city. that's partly because of the trial happening now, the trial in the death of george employed against derek chauvin. people are becoming more and more and more agitated, wondering how this will end. we now know on tuesday we are expecting the defense to begin their case. if you think the tensions are high now, they'll probably get higher. the defense puts on its witnesses and talks about george floyd in ways that people will not like, will be frustrated with. so i am worried about the tension here. the neighbors are worried about
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it. the residents are worried about the tension here. but they're also looking at these folks out here and they understand that they are filled with grief, filled with pain, filled with frustration because another young black male has been killed by a police officer who has said on that video time that we've all watched, the body cam video, that she was screaming taser but pulled her gun and killed daunte wright. >> okay. don't go away. we'll get back to sara in a moment. i want to bring in senior legal analyst laura coates, former federal prosecutor and analyst, and joey jackson, criminal defense attorney general. sad to say, here we go again. i want to bring you in first. you just heard daunte wright's aunt. the pain and rage she is
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feeling. that's real. that's humanity. i let her speak because i just felt in that moment she needed people to hear what she had to say. something so many families, especially black families, have had to deal with. >> it is so true. i was so glad to hear her, not for the reasons we're all here today but think of what she covered. the idea of knowing they were going to vilify her nephew and the attempts about what he should have done or should not have done. the attempts to try to disparage his family. if he comes from a broken home. the ideas about an air freshener, driving while black. all of these things. the loss of life. these are the culmination of what we've seen time and time again and why cases like this evoke the visceral reaction. they are so illustrative of what people black and brown across the country have been enduring. not just facing but having to endure.
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and this is just in hennepin county. the same place the derek chauvin trial is actually happening. it was heart breaking to think she is right now with her mother, daunte wright's grandmother, driving, trying to make 30th to be supportive. i can only imagine as a mother who have heard that press conference today. to hear words like accident and mistake and know that my child would not be afforded the opportunity to make any ever again. >> let's talk more about that mistake, accident. daunte wright, she couldn't understand how a mistake like this could have been made. even if it is a mistake, is this negligence? what charges could she face? >> no question about it. good to be with you. the fact that we continue to have this conversations, the fact that it hits home in so many of our communities, that i have a son not much older than him. one again, here we are, speaking
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about issues as it relates to people who are, don't need to be dying. so yeah. of course. there could be charges there relating to negligence. you have a candidate, an obligation, a responsibility to act reasonably. if you're on the force, forgetting about the amount of years this is a veteran officer. even if you're not, you undergo annual training. you undergo a review. you should know the difference clearly between a taser and a gun. you should question your judgment as to whether you have to pull and it what type of force you have to use. so the fact that we are talking about criminal charges. i heard your interview. god bless you, letting her speak and go on. she's not concerned or caring about the charges. she want her nephew, right? that's what she wants. so what do we have to get there? to be in a society, in an environment where people feel safe? you know, this comes in the face of what we're dealing with now with george floyd. it comes in the face of another
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veteran, right? a veteran who was pulled over. we know that story. into a well-lit area. why does he have to pull into a well-lit gas station? i could go on. the fact is it is frustrating, heart breaking. for things that don't need to happen that affect families, as you mentioned, it hits at the core of us all. that's why you see the burgoning protests that sarah and, you know, i can't. it's a tough scenario. >> thank you. i want to you stand by. we have to get a break in. it will be a short break and we'll continue with our breaking news coverage. we have our experts here, our folks on the ground. we have the story covered for you. you can see there's anger in the streets of brooklyn center tonight. furious over the death by a police officer. feeling stressed in your skin? not with new olay retinol body wash. which improves skin 3x better.
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we're back now with our breaking news as you look at live pictures from brooklyn center, minnesota. where there are still some protesters out hours after the curfew there. there's a curfew, 7:00 p.m. central time. police as you can see, lining up in the streets. they are facing anger over the death of 20-year-old daunte wright, shot by a police officer over a routine traffic stop on sunday, yesterday. i want to bring in the president and co-founder of the center for policing equity. and political commentator, bacarri sellers. i'm so happy could you join us this evening. it's tough. all of this. and i hate to say here we go again but here we go again. phillip, i want to bring you in. it's like the nightmare scenario. another young black man killed in an encounter with police. in the case of daunte wright,
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the police say it appeared to be a mistake. the officer intended to use a taser. give me your view on this. >> i've seen the video. the officer appears to say, i'm going to tase you. i'm going to tase you. you can hear the distinct, taser, taser, taser which is how officers are trained to tell other officers the taser will be deployed. the entire time because of the body positioned on the camera, you can absolutely see it is a pistol, a handgun. fortunately for us who have seen this too often, you see, she shoots and she kills this young man. i've been seeing people say, well, it must be made up. it must be fake. i've been hearing people say you can't tell the difference, you should not be on the force. i think what i've hearing behind that, what i feel behind that, please don't tell me this is an accident and oops, i killed this man. please don't tell me that there isn't some kind of accountability that we can have
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for this. that this isn't a part of a pattern of injustice that is just simply unacceptable. whatever the specific facts are, however difficult it might be for any officers who are present, please don't say an officer maze an oopsie and it resulted in a death. you can see people pouring into the streets in brooklyn center. our lives are worth more than that. different than that. there's no such thing as an innocent mistake and we end up dead. the states can't do that and the folks that we arm with the awesome power of deciding the outcomes of life and liberty, locking people up, taking away a life, they've got to do better. you can't just say, accidents, i guess we hope for better next time. >> basically, he's saying similar to what i said after talking to the aunt just moments
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ago. when you're a police officer, you can decide between life and death for people. it's hard to make a mistake like that. it's not like a clerical error, right? and listen, i know that you wanted to comment. i wanted to ask you something completely different. you texted me during the interview, you wanted to comment about what the aunt said, other people shooting up a bunch of people, killing people and still walking away with their own lives. yet a routine traffic stop, someone is dead. go on, sir. >> it's like they take your loved one twice. you see your loved one die on camera, on tv, around the world, and then they don't even allow him to rest in peace. they sully his name. they say he shouldn't have run or he had a warn for marijuana. i mean, you know this. i'm involved in two marijuana businesses in the country. so to hear a young man have a
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marijuana ticket and get pulled over and have a warrant for that and lose his life is just the height of our country's hypocrisy with our drug laws and the way they impact some and not others. you talk about this being an accident. no. an section when they misspell bacarri at starbucks. it is not an accident when you murder somebody or shoot somebody, saying that you mistakenly thought it was a taser. to phillip's point, this lady had been on the force for 20 years. she was president of the police association. i mean, you just can't make these mistakes. quote unquote, mistakes, when a life is on the line. and this aunt, picking up her mother, driving hours upon hours late at night, just to be with her family. we see these things all the time. but our prayers are always that we dare not be a #. that's what a part of being black in this country is.
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you know, there are black folk you walk up to right now. i just don't want to be a hashtag. that has a great deal of truth to it. so now people want to talk about the protesting and the rioting in the streets. and you know, when people ask me about, what about the rioting? i'm going to tell them it is an accident. you hear how ludicrous that sounds. so we just, i'm at a loss. i don't know how we fix this problem. sara sidner did a better job de-escalating an hour ago on tv than police who are trained to do this do it day in and day out. we have to do a better job and i'm not sure how we reimagine what policing should be in this country. but i think that phillip, myself, you are tired of black folk becoming hashtags. >> well, the idea of trying to figure out what to do with
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policing and training. you are right about that. it is sad that everything i wrote about recently is now playing out on our television screens. we've got to do something about policing. we have to do something about policing. i hate that we have to caveat that and say not all police officers -- we know that. but there are certain jobs that you just can't be bad at. a pilot is one. a police officer is another. and a surgeon is one as well. like you've got to, you've got to be held to a higher standard when you have those professions. gentlemen, i have so much going on. i want to talk to you a longer period of time but i can't because we have to get to the unre unrest. phillip, i love hearing what you have to say. love you, brother. thank you. so. i want to talk to you, soon. can we put him back on?
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i want to talk to you soon about the calculations. and phillip as well. about the calculations, how terrifying it is for a black man to see flashing lights behind him. people don't understand. when i say i'll like, oh, no. and here i am. the guy on the news. it is terrifying. and you start calling people. and hey, i'm getting pulled over by the police. just so you know. this is where i am. and i know some people don't understand it because they don't have to live it. but it is something that is real for us. maybe it's not real for you. but it is real for us. i've got to run but thank you. we'll talk about that. i'll make sure that i invite you back and we talk about. that. so police lining up on the streets, i don't know if we have that. new protests over the deadly police shooting. 20-year-old daunte wright. we have this playing out in
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we're back now live with our breaking news. you can see the pictures there on the screen. police flooding the streets of brooklyn center, minnesota after protests over the death of 20-year-old daunte wright, shot by a police officer who shot a taser, then fired a handgun instead. and in virginia, a story we need to tell you about.
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a police officer fired. he is one of two officers accused of excessive force at a traffic stop of army second lieutenant karen, officer joe gutierrez, now out of a job after body kam video of the incident came out showing the officers aiming their guns at the lieutenant. pepper spraying him and pushing him to the ground. he also recorded it on his phone. we'll show you some of that now. okay? and i have to warn you, the video is graphic. difficult to watch. here it is. >> i'm service this country and this is how i'm treated? >> get out of the car. >> what's going on? >> get out of the car now. >> what's going on? i'm sorry, what? >> get out of the car now. >> what's going on? >> get out of the car now. get out of the car. >> sir, just get out of the car.
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work with us and we'll talk to you. >> you received an order. >> i'm honestly afraid to get out. >> get out. get out. >> what's going on? what did i do? i have not committed any crime. >> you're being stubborn. you're not cooperating. you're under arrest. you're being detained. >> for a traffic violation? i do not have to get out of vehicle. you haven't even told me why i'm being stopped. >> get out of the car. >> get your hands off me, please. get your hands off me. get your hands off me. i didn't do anything. don't do that. don't do that. don't do that. don't -- i'm trying to talk to you. i'm trying to talk to you. can you please relax. can you please relax. >> get out of the car now. >> this is not how you treat -- i'm actively serving this country and this is how you're going to treat me? whoa, hold.
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on hold on. watch it. >> get out of the car. get out of the car now. [ bleep ]. >> get out of the car. >> i'm trying to breathe. >> okay. so missing a license plate. the officer said they thought he was missing a license plate. they say he didn't comply with the orders, with their orders, and struck one of them when they tried to tome door. and he said that's not true. if you look at the video, the video shows, doesn't show that. cnn has reached out to both officers but we haven't heard back from either of the representatives. now i'm going to bring in jonathan, the attorney representing the alone. thank you. so for joining us. i really appreciate it. let's talk about this. that video is clearly disturbing. you hear an officer tell your
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client that he is fixing to ride the lightning and he should be afraid of getting out of the car. i don't know what ride the lightning means. how is he doing now? what was going through his mind then? >> so he is a little -- still shaken up right now. do you everything right. you know, you slow down. you submit to the authority of law enforcement. you do the right thing. you wait until you're in a well-lit place. the officer turn around and repay your courtesy with this. accuse you of not complying. tell you you'll ride the lightning. it's a way of speaking of -- he's a bit shaken up obviously. and then he's done what the
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officers told them. told him they would destroy his military career if he tried. so also, he's concerned about retaliation. >> having been pulled over for traffic speeding, i don't pull over on the side of a highway because i know that it is dangerous. and i will also go to an exit where it is lighted. where people, full transparency. i've done that before. so that is not unusual, especially for a man of color in this country to want to pull to a place where there are people and it is well lighted so people can see you. that is a true statement. so, let's talk, i want to show some of the body cam video that showed what happened after the lieutenant got out of the car and then we'll talk about it.
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>> please. [ inaudible ] . >> the study for 2016 show black men are nearly three time as likely to get killed by police. he is both black and latino. emthat he was afraid of the officers because you know, they pulled him over. guns drawn. get out of the car. you're going to ride the white lightning and they pepper sprayed him. yeah. >> he was terrified he was going to get shot. can you blame him? >> go on. i know that is rhetorical. >> i mean, i don't know what else to say. once again, you're facing
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gutierrez already threatened to kill you. i think he was, i think he displayed admirable calm which is what i would expect from the united states army officer, to be able to remain that calm, knowing that one wrong move and you're going to die. it was made worse that we had one officer telling him to keep his hands out of the window while the other officer telling him, he needed to open the door and get out. my client had to figure out which of those inconsistent commands to comply with. he was keeping his hands in the air which is good. he was terrified that if he was going to move his hands below where the officer could have seen him, to undo that seatbelt, they would have murdered him. if they would have murdered him, then what would have happened is the investigation would have revealed that he had a
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completely legal pistol in that vehicle and that's all we would have heard. was that the police got a man with a pistol. not what actually occurred. what we're looking at. >> the sergeant major of the army is commenting on the video of lieutenant nazario. representing himself and our army well through his calm professional response to the situation. i am very proud of him. so he's not commenting on the litigation. does your client feel the army has his back in this? >> from what i understand, his command has been very supportive throughout this entire ordeal. he informed his command almost immediately after this incident kurt. it was the right thing to do. in the event the officers decided to pull the trigger on the retaliation threats. and so from what i understand, the army has had his back since he told them. >> i know it is not the right time now because he doesn't want to discuss it but i think he can be very informative about the
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situation going on in the country with police and with men of color. so whenever he is ready to speak, we would love to have him. i think you should keep that in mind. >> i'll pass that along. >> i think police and citizens have a lot to learn from him. thank you, sir. please pass our regards along to him as well. we appreciate you being here. >> i will. thank you. the police chief in brooklyn center saying the office here shot and killed daunte wright meant to use her taser. how do we stop these things from happening? that's next. and knees and i'm digging through the dirt. i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com.
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multiple violent encounters with police in the headlines tonight. 20-year-old daunte wright was shot and killed just 10 miles from the courtroom where derek chauvin is on trial. the police chief saying it was a mistake. the office here shot him shouted taser but used her gun instead. we'll show you what happened. i need to warn you, it is disturbing. >> taser, taser, taser. sandy just shot him.
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>> the law enforcement in virginia alleging police used excessive force against an army alone, pepper spraying him, pushing him to the ground after pulling him to a traffic stop. discussing now, neil franklin. thank you for joining this evening. whether you call this an accident or negligence, speaking about what happened in minnesota, whatever it is, daunte wright is dead as a result. how does a trained officer mix up a taser with a gun? >> i don't know. to me, it's not an accident. we have extensive training on this. i don't know what the exact details of her training are. that will be looked into. they'll examine that, do research, find out when she was first trained, how frequently she's been retrained. they'll look at all of that as well as the training of other personnel to see if they have a looming problem with this but i don't get it. most agencies, they carry that
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taser on the opposite side of their body. opposite from their firearm. the weak side. to ensure that there is no mix up. there's also a significant weight difference and feel between the taser and the loaded firearm. and you can see in the video that she had it out for quite a while. so i don't understand how that happen. but they have a lot of retraining to do. i want to just mention something real quick. i've been listening to you and your other guests. just talk about these many things that continue to happen again with the killing of black men here in this country. we know what the problems are. we know the overlooming race issues. we know the use of force is way out of control and we've been working at this for decades, literally decades. and we know what we need is a new policing paradigm. what we have isn't working.
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but immediately, what we need is a national use of force standard. we need to look at green versus connor, the case behind it. and we need to change the standard to a reasonable objective view. not one that is subjective as it is now. and there are many more things that we can do immediately. we have to do this so we can not be talking about this a year from now. >> we've been talking about a lot of this, a similar thing happened, remember oscar grant? killed in oakland in 2009? an officer said they men to pull a taser. i've spoken to, there is a lot to discuss here. i've spoken about driving while black, how terrifying it is being pulled over as a black man. and several black women email me
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saying, it's terrifying for us as well. police face significant dangers. three officers were shot injured when a traffic stop turned into a wild case. a suspect fired a rifle into a trooper's patrol car. can you speak to this from the point of view of policing, just trying to do their jobs and stay safe themselves? >> i can. there is an inherent danger that we have in the back of our minds all the time. when we sign up for this, we know that but we still sign up for it. we volunteer to do this. we're not forced to do this. we're aware of the danger but we elect to do it. and we have chosen to put our lives on the back burner and put our citizens ahead of us. that's how it is supposed to be but unfortunately, that's not
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where it is. you started mentioning the other names. and i'm thinking of orlando castillo. right? we have the fear. we have to have the courage to restrain ourselves from using deadly force when it is not warranted. i'm thinking of castillo and the fear in that police officer's mind and body and we see this, time and time again. where officers aren't able to -- to control their fear. >> and sadly -- >> so that deals with hiring, their training we are giving and not giving. the accountability. there is a lot to it, don. >> neil, and we will be talking about this sadly, again, and obviously, be talking about this situation, as the chauvin trial as well is happening in minnesota, in the days to come. thank you, neil, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. arrests in brooklyn center, minnesota, tonight, after protests over the miss police kg
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