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you got to think of it this way. some of these mothers have been return into areas with their children but surrounded by danger and exposed and vulnerable to kidnapping, extortion, human trafficking and learn the biden administration is allowing unaccompanied minors to enter into the u.s. and erin, they see that as giving their children a chance at life. erin? >> rosa, thank you very much. powerful report and thanks so much to all of you for being with me. anderson starts now. a curfew has just taken place. the outpouring and curfew come in response to civil unrest after police in this minneapolis suburb shot and killed a black man, donte wright during a traffic stop over the weekend. the county medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. it was not the only item along those lines, though.
also, over the weekend, video emerged of an army lieutenant pepper sprayed and roughed up by police in virginia after admitting he was too terrified to get out of his car during a traffic stop late last year. i'm honestly afraid to get out. in response one of the officers tells him yeah, you should be. and as if to emphasize that fear cuts both ways, two police officers were shot and wounded early this morning during a high-speed chase west of atlanta. all of this is happening with the twin cities on edge as the prosecution makes its case against a minneapolis police officer in the killing of george floyd. president biden spoke to the moment and mood this afternoon. >> are you concerned things could be on a razor's edge, sir? >> i'm not intergoing to specul now. i'm hopeful there will be a verdict and out come that will be supported by the vast ma majority of people in the region and that's 345expectation. >> shortly before air time the president tweeted today i'm
thinking about donte wright and his family and the pain, anger and drama black america experiences every day. while we await a full investigation, we know what we need to do to move forward, rebuilt trust and ensure accountability so nobody is above the law. adrian is in central minnesota for us tonight. donte's death was ruled a homicide in the last hour. i'm curious what reaction people there on the ground had and what's the latest you're seeing there? >> reporter: you know, people on the ground, anderson are upset. at this hour, sam cook's change is going to come. it's playing in the background as these protesters take over the streets here in brooklyn center. the group wants to know when will that change come? they're talking about this trial of derek chauvin taking place about ten miles away from here for the death of george floyd and here, they had to hear once again another black man died at the hands of police, and i want to warn you, the video you're
about to see is disturbing. around 2:00 p.m. local time sunday, police pulled over wright. the police chief says they stopped donte wrieght because h had an expired registration. the footage begins minutes into the stop and shows police walking up to the car and then wright is seen stepping out of his vehicle. police then try to take wrieght into custody after discovering he has an outstanding warrant. the video shows wright begins to resist as cuffs are placed on him and he gets back into the veh vehicle. >> holy [ bleep ] i just shot him. >> as i watch the video's commands, it my belief the officer had the intense to deploy the taser but shot mr. wright with a single bullet. this appears to me what i viewed and the officer's reaction and distress immediately after this
was an accidental discharge that resulted in the tragic death of mr. wright. the officer is currently on administrative leave. >> reporter: wright drove several blocks before hitting another vehicle. police and medical personnel attempting life saving measures following the crash but wright died at the scene. >> the police officer come to the window. >> reporter: wright's mother katy told care tv she was on the phone with her son before the shooting. it's unclear to cnn how katy wright knew police hung up the phone. protests erupted in a suburb outside minneapolis in the aftermath of a shooting. hundreds taking to the streets sunday night clashing with police. the national guard was also on the scene. the situation turned violent, crowds marching towards the police department started destroying police cars. police moved in to disburse crowds. the chief of police said bricks
and frozen soda cans were thrown at officers injuring one who was taken to the hospital. and while one group stayed at the police department, a second group of protesters went to a strip mall where businesses were broken into and looted. >> we recognize that this couldn't have happened at a worse time. >> reporter: the city of brooklyn center is only about ten miles from where frommer police officer derek chauvin is on trial for the killing of george floyd. the chief of police says he released the footage to be transparent and became emotional when i asked what was on his heart. >> i'm the leader of this department. they expect me to lead. create a safe city. that's what i'm trying to do. so that's it. okay? and yeah, i'm emotional. >> adrian, for the officer that shot donte wright, what is their status in the department?
are they still on active duty? >> reporter: the officer that shot donte wright is on administrative leave but members of the community are calling for her to be fired and they're also asking, they say, demanding the chief of police in brooklyn center resign. anderson? >> adrian, appreciate your reporting. thank you. joining us is cnn legal analyst laura coats and andrew mccabe and cnn law enforcement analyst ramsey and top cop in philadelphia. from a policing standpoint, can you explain how this could have happened and how officers are trained to avoid a tragic mistake like this? >> well, first of all, this shouldn't have happened. the taser, in fact, if you go back to 2009 fruitville station in oakland, the bart officer that shot the individual as he had him down was carrying his taser and firearm, from that
point on every department require officers to wear the taser on the opposite side, the weak side away from the gun so it's a cross draw making it difficult, if not impossible to make that kind of mistake. what happened here? i have no idea. the taser was on the opposite side as it should be. she drew it or at least drew a firearm thinking at least that's what she's saying that it was the taser fired the shot. it should not happen. it was neg yligence no question about it. training should have kicked in. she's a veteran, not a rookie. it just should not have happened. >> it's so interesting because as you see in the video, you hear her saying, i believe, it's her, the officer saying taser, taser, taser, which i guess is what you're supposed to say before you fire -- >> it is. >> and you see the gun -- i assume she will argue that in the heat of the moment with the adrenaline pumping and as you say, she, though, is an
experienced officer, she says she believed it was a taser that she was firing. >> well, it's still negligence. again, she yelled taser as she's supposed to do but she didn't pull a taser. she pulled a firearm. it's clearly negligence that's involved in the case. whether or not she's charged or not, i don't know. it certainly possible in minnesota. that's one of the charges against derrick chauvin. it's very possible that she might be charged but that's up to the district attorney or attorney general to make that type of decision. but it just shouldn't have happened. it's pure negligence on her part. >> andrew, in a case like this, too, and we've seen a number of cases where the underlying charge or the underlying suspicion or the reason somebody was pulled over in the first place is often relatively minor
compared to what is happening, a death, what stands out to you? >> so many. a young man pulled over for driving on a tag that had an expired registration. every one of us that has driven a car has been pulled over for something like that that is typically a window rolled down and an officer tells you to get your paperwork in order and sends you on your way. in this case they discovered he had an outstanding warrant for a misdemeanor, not even a felony warrant. so really hard questions to be answered here tonight but those officers about why they took an incredibly minor situation like this and escalated it to that level. i would say also to tag on to chief ramsey's comments, which i agree with whole heartily, there are other mistakes here. they made the choice to get him out of the of the vehicle and let him stand in front of the
open door as they walk him to the back of the vehicle. they basically created a situation where he had easy access to get back in the car and everything, you know, now you have a much bigger problem on your hands. so lots of very tough questions to be answered. >> and laura, if someone is trying to flee from a traffic stop, which is what he seemed to be doing, legally what are officers allowed to do? because courts have looked into this. >> yeah, the courts have. in fact, the supreme court looked into it and said already very clearly that a fleeing suspect still deserves to have the use of force continue applied. you don't just get to use deadly force or excessive force or force in general to pursue a fleeing suspect unless there is some basis to believe that the amount of force they are using is reasonable, necessary and propo proportional. in other words, you cannot substitute deadly force for cardiovascular activities of pursuit. the idea here being that you
have to still judge and reasses the use of force you're using. this probably sounds familiar, anderson, to people watching because we've been doing this for the better part of two weeks in the derek chauvin trial. nothing about the changes even if the person does have a warrant short of being somebody in an active pursuit of an on going deadly shooting spree or a crime of some sort, officers need to actually assess the amount of force they're using and so what you see here, the tragedy of this as andrew was talking about and commissioner ramsey, the idea of going from an expired tab of some sort to this notion without justification or reasonable use of force and as president biden said, the investigation whether it was indeed an accident or not unfortunately because of a trust gap in the community and the ideas of the police officers, that will have to be explored. >> laura, the chief of police says the officer in question here is a quote very senior
officer. called it an accidental discharge. the medical examiner ruled mr. wright's death a homicide. do you expect to see charges in the case? the case chief ramsey mentioned, the officer involved was convicted of involuntarily manslaughter after he mistook his firearm for a taser and shot and killed oscar grant. >> it might make it distinct from this one there was other testimony to suggest one of the officers involved may not have believed that they were mistakenly drawing a taser. i don't know that to be the case here. i know the term negligence has a legal definition. the idea it has to be somebody was aware of, appreciable risk and consciously disregarded for some reason or created an opportunity they created a substantial risk to human life. if there was something about the placement of this taser that ran counter to the training. if there was something about what she did in terms of moving
into the driver's seat and using her weapon, whether it was a taser or a firearm, we know it was a firearm, something about her approach to this particular suspect that goes off of the use of force and of course, we know a 20-year-old has now died. well, that's part of the legal terminology around negligence but there could be other charges or there could be less. remember, the powerful police union. this officer has not yet been fired. we don't know if she will be. on administrative leave and we heard the chief and adrian's great question that officer was due due process. i would note was not afforded to mr. wright. >> laura coats, charles ramsey, thank you. laura will stay with us because we have more to talk about including the closing witnesses, george floyd's botherother taki the stand and bernie sanders and his assessment and criticism of the president's infrastructure spending plan mostly over what is infrastructure and what isn't. we'll be right back. hold my pouch.
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before tonight's curfew was called, the twin's postponing the home game and the timberwolves and the minnesota wild. all teams siting the killing of done te wright as the killing. the defense in the george floyd case begins tomorrow. today saw more expert testimony in the use of force and cause of death but the most notable witness was an expert in neither, only what it's like to lose a brother. more from sara sidner. >> he was a big mama's boy. >> reporter: george floyd's brother took the stand to tell who george floyd was before his death that sparked worldwide protest. >> he was like a person everybody loved around the community. he just knew how to make people feel better. >> reporter: in may 2020 floyd uttered the word mama several times before he died. >> he loved her so dearly.
>> reporter: his brother says floyd was crushed when his mother died in may 2018. >> george just sat there at the casket over and over again. he would just say mama, mama over and over again. and i didn't know what to tell him because i was in pain, too. we all were hurting, and he was just kissing her and just kissing her. he didn't want to leave the casket. >> reporter: floyd's family testimony is one of the last the jurors heard in the prosecution case. >> the state will call dr. jonathan rich. >> reporter: the prosecution started the day calling another medical expert, dr. jonathan rich, an expert in cardiology determined floyd died because of the officer's actions. >> do you have an opinion as to who george floyd would have lived if not for mr. chauvin's subdual and restraint for 9 minutes and 29 seconds on the ground? >> yes, i believe he would have lived. >> reporter: chauvin's attorney
tried to get the doctor to admit there were other possibilities for floyd's death, drugs and floyd's own actions. >> if mr. floyd had simply gotten in the backseat of the squad car, do you think that he would have survived? >> had he not been restrained in the way in which he was, i think he would have survived that day. >> reporter: the prosecution is expected to rest soon and then it will be the defense's turn to unravel the prosecution's case with their own witnesses. >> i can't breathe. >> reporter: the prosecution again played the video of floyd being detained for the jury as they questioned another use of force expert. >> looking at the threat analysis here, it's clear from the number of officers and mr. floyd's position the fact that he's handcuffed and been searched, he doesn't present a threat of harm. >> reporter: before the jurors ara a aarrived to court, chauvin's
attorney said the jurors should be sequestered because of an officer-involved shooting. less than 24 hours before the day began, police shot and killed donte wright. >> this incident while it is, i understand, it's not this case, i understand that it is not involved, it does not involve the same parties but the problem is that the emotional response that that case creates sets the stage for a jury to say i'm not going to vote not guilty because i'm concerned about the outcome. >> reporter: the judge denied the request to sequester the jury and the case continued unab unabated. >> sara sidner joins us. do we know what else the prosecution planned and when exactly the defense is expected to start the presentation? >> reporter: yeah, the judge expects the defense to start
their case tomorrow. we have not gotten an official end to the prosecution's case, but we expect it to come tomorrow when the judge says that the defense is expected to start its case and i want to mention where i'm standing, i'm standing in the spot where donte wri wright took some of his last breaths and you'll see a fist standing strong. that he was actually the original fist brought out to george floyd square right near where george floyd died. a lot of folks who were here where they are protesting his death, they are here protesting another death at the hands of police. >> sara sidner. the criminal defense attorney mark o'mara. we heard technical testimony. do you expect one to have a bigger impact than the other?
>> most people would tell you how is it a family testifies if they are not a witness a. murder victim you're able to call a family witness to give character evidence and bring them to life, not just bones. the idea of humanizing the person for the jury. this is very, very important, of course, because we've heard from his girlfriend at the time before he passed away. we heard her testimony. we heard about the different people who were bystanders and one person during the video shouting he's a human being though and this consistent theme making sure people know although he's a symbol of officer-involved shootings or deaths of an unarmed black man and woman of this country, this case was specifically about the death of george floyd and making it a point of reference as opposed to one about greater society which can cut both ways as you saw today from the defense attempt to try to sequester the jury. >> is that common in courtrooms
around the country that allowing somebody to come in and play that role to kind of humanize a victim? because the defense chose not to cross-examine. i would imagine you agree with their decision there from the defense standpoint they would want him off the stand, i guess, as quickly as possible? >> absolutely true. you do not want to cross-examine a family member like that although there are times you do need to. it is unique. there are not many states that allow that type of what's called spark of life testimony, which is personalizing the victim of a homicide in front of the jury. i think it's extraordinary compelling the way it was presented because in fact, that's what you want. you want that jury to have as one of the last witnesses from the state, the idea of a family member, a brother coming in and talking about that new decedent because that's just so compelling. every one of those jurors has a
family member and the idea of connecting like that with a brother is very compelling and it's going to sit with them throughout the rest of the trial which is exactly what the prosecution wants. >> i should point out the images our viewers are seeing from two affiliates is in brooklyn center in minnesota. people gathering outside the police station as you know there is a curfew that is now in effect that people are remaining and obviously, there is a heavy police presence on the ground there. laura, the cardiologist testified that if mr. floyd had not been restrained in the way he was, he would have survived that day and his testimony lines up with other medical experts so far. do you expect the defense that begins their case tomorrow to have their own expert witnesses and rebut what we heard already on the medical front? because clearly, they have been trying to poke holes in it or raise the suggestion that while preexisting heart conditions, drug use played a role. >> oh, they're going to need to.
the idea of allowing the testimony of the laymen and bystanders and law enforcement officials and the use of force experts but the pulmonologist, the forensic pathologist and medical examiner and the idea of a cardiologist and constitutional law scholar. the weight that is against derek chauvin is not coincidental. the prosecutors do not intend to do any favors to the defendant but a way to make him avoid having to testify. you see, they have allowed the jury to linger with that question and to wrestle with the question of why didn't this officer know what so many others from laymen and beyond know. what they have to do is say look, we have our own experts here and they actually look at this video differently. they view his heart and lung arrest, the cardio pulmonary arrest differently. they view that enlarged heart differently. they view the use of force as far more subjective than what's being talked about as best practices because if they don't prove that, if they allow it just to linger and fester in the
minds of the jury, the question will be well, why did you, why are you the lone person across the spectrum who did not understand that what you were doing was applying deadly force, unnecessarily, unreasonably when people i'm mplored you to stop? >> with the defense taking over to make their defense, how much of what they plan to do is already set in stone and how much have they now had to kind of recalibrate based on what occurred in the court? >> so most of it is that at this point, obviously, part of what the defense does is find out what the state is doing and see how well they did it and find the holes, find the cracks in the armor because that's where they'll find the argument of reasonable doubt which is why we had a state sort of preempt a lot of that by being so very particular meticulous, maybe over the top in[expl experts.
i got to tell you, i thought the expert they brought in, the professor did a great job because as laura said, he's now said probably 2,000 times a reasonable officer would have done this. a reasonable officer would have done that. it almost begs the question of who is going to say why chauvin did it? if not for chauvin himself. the defense is going to bring in their experts, sort of if you think of it chapter by chapter, by chapter, they have to respond to what the state did but the bot bottom line, they have to try and convince one, two or three jurors that the state's case is not as pristine as they make it sound for a presentation of their own experts. >> mark o'meara, laura coats, appreciate it. >> breaking news. the latest at a shooting at a high school in knoxville, tennessee and i'll talk to trayvon martin's mom nine years
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the country, it's the 17-year-old young man killed in february by a neighborhood watchman named george zippmmerm ultimately found not guilty of second-degree murder. she's an activist and speaker and joins me now. we heard from the family of george floyd. his brother testifying in court. you testified, as i recall, in the trial of the man who shot your son. it must take an incredible amount of strength to take that stand. >> it absolutely does, anderson. first of all, thank you for having me. but it just bothers you to have to relive the tragedy over and over and over. that's what the family is going through right now. the trama of just experiencing just seeing the visual of that, just over and over and over again. it is very traumatic. >> your organization, the
trayvon martin foundation works to bring together families who lost their children through violence. every time there is a new video, another person's death is played over and over, i can't imagine the impact that has on people who have been left behind and other mothers and fathers and family members who have experienced the same kind of thing. it must just bring it all back. >> absolutely. we call it triggers because it triggers what we've already gone through. a lot of people call them stories but it not a story for us because we have to live with this our entire life. it doesn't go away and we can't go to the next story and then the next story and then the next story. this is a tragedy that we have to experience and then we have to struggle with grieving and our entire life, we have to heal from what we've gone through to see it happen over and over and over again. i mean, it's very hurtful. >> there have been so many calls
and talk about police reforms, about changes that can be made that should be made and there have been changes along the way. has it been enough? >> absolutely not. if we can see a video of a man being killed, a man's last breath, a man calling out for his mother, we definitely need to do some more reforms. we definitely need to do, make sure that we have different policies and procedures being enforced and i think that's the problem. i think we have policies and procedures in place, but they're not being enforced so we have to witness people being killed, people being shot in the back, people with a knee on their neck, people just for trivial things being killed. people's lives seem to be
nonn non-chapin lant. we can't ignore what we're seeing. >> it been nine years since your son trayvon was killed. his killing helped lead to the black lives matter movement. what do you think needs to happen moving forward now? >> i think they still, it needs to be brought more awareness but we still need more action not only from the police department as far as reform is concerned but more action from organizations that are supposed to be in place to help these families, to help these organizations and so we just got to keep pushing forward. black lives matter needs to be doing more than they're doing to help and to decrease a lot of these things that are happening with these tragedies and these families. >> when it comes to raising justice on a national level,
president biden campaigned on a white housing police commission and his white house announced they won't move forward with commission but support making the george floyd justice into law. is that a step in the right direction, do you think? >> i think that's a step in the right direction but they definitely need a committee as an oversight committee so they can help move things a little further. i mean, we can't just sit around and watch people being killed. it doesn't matter what color you are. we shouldn't be so comfortable with watching people being killed. as i look at the video of george floyd, i think about children's rights, women's rights, civil rights. what about george floyd basic human right. we have to get back to the basics. what about human rights? just the fact that was an adult male not an animal on the ground. that was a human being and his life was taken right before us and after we saw that video, we couldn't take it back. we couldn't unsee what we had already saw.
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shooting, this time at a high school in knoxville, tennessee where police say gunfire was exchanged between police and the shooter. what do we know about how this shooting unfolded? >> reporter: yeah, hey, there, anderson. we got an update from the state burro of investigations and they tell us local knoxville police responded to a male subject armed on campus, believed to be a teenage student at the high school. when knoxville police arrived at the scene, he was in one of the restrooms of the hie scgh schoo. they exchanged words and that's when he fired at an officer striking him in the leg. officers returned fire. they say striking the suspect dead. he was pronounced dead at the scene. and, you know, that's how it really unfolded. >> any more information about the officer injured? >> reporter: yeah, he was, you know, he sustained non-life threatening injuries. he was transferred to u.t. medical center according to the police chief there in knoxville. as of about 30 minutes ago, they say he was in surgery.
his condition is serious and she's asking for prayers. anderson, she mentioned something pretty chilling during the press conference saying this was sort of a nightmare scenario. not only getting the call that there was a shooting on a high school campus but also the call that there was an officer down. it took about two hours to secure the scene before knoxville county or the knox county superintendent said that parents and guardians could show up at the school. no doubt tearful reunions with the students there. school shooting, any time you hear that it's a parent's worth nightmare and under scored by the police chief there. for the next two days, school will be closed and we still don't know a clear motive yet but one really interesting fact being reported by local affiliate wate is that since the start of the year, you know, we're just four months into the year here and this is the fifth related shooting to that austin magnate high school in knoxville. so a lot of stuff happening there for the school and very short amount of time into the
school year, anderson. >> just to be clear, because i'm a little confused. was this person a student at the school and did somebody see them with a gun or how is it that police got there in the first place? >> reporter: yeah, they didn't really clarify that and it's believed to be the suspect, i should say, is believed to be a student at the high school. you know, we did put in a call to the high school and they say school goes until about 3:00. the first calls that police got were about 3:15 when they responded so that's what we know at this point. tbi is still investigating, still trying to gather more details. there were body cameras worn and surveillance footage they will review. there appears to be more activity in brooklyn square in minnesota. what is the scene? >> reporter: yeah, so anderson, we're here live outside the police station where there was that confrontation with police
last night, and there are thousands of people gathered around us here. as you can see, i'm here up against the fence, anderson. a lot of protesters are coming to the fence screaming at the police. the police at one point, several of them gathered around and called in more reinforcement in those yellowish neon colors. they called them in to try to push some of these protesters back and then some of the protesters start running when they think the police are about to come this way. as you can see, what they're doing here. it is well past curfew so it's unclear what the police are going to ultimately do here but certainly right now, the police are standing back and allowing them to remain on the scene. at some point, it appears as though the police will come through this gate here through this fencing. someone just through a stick at
the police here. and as you can see, this is kind of been the scene out here. >> back up! back up! >> reporter: for the last 45 minutes or so with many of them coming to the fence raising their hands saying don't shoot. and the police are just standing around right now trying to figure out really what they're going to do, if they're going to force them to leave because it is well past curfew but right now, anderson, it does not appear that the police are going to ask them to leave or disburse. we're waiting to see if police ultimately do that. right now, they are not doing that. they are just standing there. i just want to show you some more shots -- here is an announcement here, anderson, from the police. yeah, so anderson, they are announcing the curfew. here we go. the police are now moving in.
and you see this one officer, anderson, he's holding -- this is what they shoot the tear gas. so the question now is will the police force them back? we're going to move back here, anderson. >> is this the first time tonight that the police have moved outside of the area of their station? looks like now they're not. >> reporter: so yes, at least it's the first time they have appeared to do so. you can see a water bottle being thrown here. more water bottles being thrown. so far the police have been fairly restrained. they have been staying behind these fences. as you just heard, they made that announcement. announcing there is a curfew. so right now everyone is just sort of standing around waiting to see what will happen but
yeah, anderson, that was the first time since i've been standing here that the police showed any sort of movement that they were going to try to disburse them. now you can see, anderson, the crowd is starting to go again towards the fence and we will see what the police here do. >> okay. we'll see you -- >> police are just standing back, anderson. >> we'll continue to monitor this with you and with the images. i want to bring in bernie sanders. thanks for being with us. i want to talk about infrastructure and the president's plans. given what is going on in minnesota, given what is going on now in minnesota, obviously, we're seeing another deadly encounter with police unfold this weekend just miles away from where the chauvin trial is on going. what do you make of what we are witnessing? >> sorry, are you talking to me,
anderson? >> yeah, i'm sorry, senator. it's okay. we want to talk about infrastructure with you and the biden administration talking about their infrastructure plans but before we do, we had a report and pictures from brooklyn center, minnesota where a large number of demonstrators have gathered and there is a place station they are outside of now. given what we've seen just in the last couple days in terms of the death of another person at the hands of police and the chauvin trial going on, can more be done? >> this is a tragic movie that we have seen over and over and over again countless times. and i think the word has got to get out. wi we need major, major police department reform. lethal force has got to be the very last resort. we need police departments that reflect demographics of the communities they serve. police officers must be held accountable for their actions,
and we need to redefine what police do. so there is an enormous amount of work that has to be done to make sure that police deputies are constructive and not destructive forces within their communities. >> the >> president biden had cam campaigned on forming a commission on police reforms, on policing. is that something you would like to see happen? >> absolutely, absolutely. i mean, it's a very long discussion, but the bottom line is that we need major, major reform in so many respects in terms of police departments all across this country. >> on infrastructure, the biden administration says it's open to negotiation around its $2 trillion infrastructure package. how confident are you that can actually happen when so many republicans in congress remain beholden to the former president and continue to peddle, you know, the big lie and conspiracy theories. do you trust them to negotiate? >> well, the devil will be in
the details, and if republicans are serious about wanting to create millions of jobs, rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges and wastewater plants and so forth, that's great. if they are serious about working with us to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel so we can combat climate change, that would be great. frankly, between you and me, i have my doubts that that will happen, but, you know, our goal is not to negotiate for a very long period of time. we have crises facing this country. we've got to create millions of good paying jobs. we must combat climate change. you got to build millions of units and retro fit units of affordable housing and in my view, when we talk about infrastructure, anderson, we're not just talking about physical infrastructure, as important as that is, roads and bridges, et cetera. we're talking about human
infrastructure. and what that means -- i'm sorry. >> well, no, sorry to interrupt, but there's also on that point, there is this battle going on right now to define what infrastructure is. you and other democrats are arguing things like home health care job training should fall under the umbrella of infrastructure. those, you know, there are others who say those are clearly not infrastructure. is the definition accurate? >> i think the definition of infrastructure are the goods and services and structures that maintain a society, and when you define infrastructure in that way, to me if a mom and dad go to work in the morning, they have the right to know that their children, their little kids are going to be in quality child care that they can afford. when i talk about infrastructure, i am talking about the fact that today in america -- this is unbelievable. you got millions of senior
citizens who have no teeth in their mouth, unable to digest the food that they are eating. they cannot hear well and are isolated from their kids and grandchildren in their communities. they can't hear, and people have trouble seeing because the cost of dental care, the cost of eyeglasses, the cost of hearing aids is astronomically high, and we got to deal with that. and that's why i am fighting to expand medicare to include dental care, eyeglasses, hearing aids, lower the age of eligibility for medicare to 60, and we pay for that by finally having the courage, anderson, to take on the greed of the pharmaceutical industry, which charges us by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. so if we can have medicare negotiate prescription drug prices, we will save approximately $450 billion over
a ten-year period, which will enable us to expand medicare and provide dental, hearing aid and vision cares and lower the cost -- lower the age of eligibility. so to my mind, what infrastructure is not only physical infrastructure. it is human infrastructure. it is understanding that we have a life expectancy in this country. we don't talk about it very much, 39th in the world, and for lower income and working class people, the numbers are even worse. so when we talk about human infrastructure, it means doing what many countries around the world have done for years, and that is provide the basic health care and child care and pay family and medical leave that their families require. >> senator sand esrs, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. we are continuing to watch the scene here in brooklyn
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. right now we continue to follow the scene in brooklyn center, minnesota. you see protesters on the streets with curfews now in effect after another fatal police shooting. as we follow that story, we also want to update you on a story about a young man named billy donovan. his story was part of a larger series we did while covering a major medical crisis, the opioid crisis. we're sad to report tonight that billy has passed away. billy had dreams of being a tattoo artist and was a father to a young which i would. when gary tuchman met belly on the streets he was 31 years old and he'd been living on the streets south of downtown boston for a while. billy had struggled with addiction for most of his life. he told gary that he'd started on pills when he was 13 years old and after that it was heroin. first snorting it, then injecting it. addiction was such a struggle for billy he couldn't actually stop shooting up the first time that gary met him. >> so is it possible for you to
stop shooting the heroin while we talk? >> if i had gotten it in me, it would be but -- >> that's what i'm wondering, you feel such a strong urge that you can't stop while we talk? >> yeah, yeah. there's nothing that would stop me, and that's how bad it gets. >> are you afraid you're going to die from this? >> i know i'm going to die from this. >> billy had gone through treatment many times, but he always relapsed. his mom had tried many times to get the help he needed, as so many families do, but at the time we met billy, she wasn't sure where he was until our report. that's when some friends got him back into rehab. when billy and his mom were able to reconnect, she told us weeks later billy seemed to be doing better at the detox center. at least he appeared to be staying longer than previous stints to help kick his habit. his mom, and sister were at his bedside. the government runs a
confidential help line, the number is 1-800-662-help, the government says that last year the number of calls they received was 27% more than the year before the coronavirus pandemic began. the news continues right now, i'm going to hand it over to chris for cuomo prime time. >> appreciate it. we are following events in minnesota tonight. it is a police of protest again after another police shooting leaves a black man dead. you're looking live at the situation in brooklyn center, minnesota. now, here is the situation. there is a curfew in effect, and the police have been in a standoff. they are out now, and the question is how do they disperse the crowd, and the crowd is an interesting mixment we're going to go there on the ground with the shimon peres as soon as he is ready, we're going to come back to him, get him on there, talk about who is in that crowd, what the police are doing, and let's discuss why. the reason that the twin cities are bracing for more anger in the streets tonight is because of tst