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very good monday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. this morning tensions are boiling over in minneapolis as the city wrestles with the fallout of yet another deadly police involved incident that left a young black man dead. this as we enter the 11th day of testimony in the murder trial of derek chauvin. on sunday, police fatally shot 20-year-old daunte wright in a suburb ten miles from where the trial is taking place. this incident unfolding just moments after a traffic stop sunday afternoon soon after wright's death protesters gathered. there were pockets of violence, looting. you can see some of the pictures there. minnesota deployed the national guard. the city enacted a curfew to
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help restore order. all this as we are just minutes away from restarting the third week of the murder trial against former minneapolis officer derek chauvin with the prosecution possibly bringing its final witness to the stand today. of course, the defense would then follow. we're in minneapolis following this latest police involved shooting. adrian, what do we know about the circumstances of this encounter? why wright was stopped. and then what exactly followed? >> you know, there are so many questions this morning. we do know there is a lot of physical damage and emotional damage. i'll start with the physical, jim. behind me, you see this nail shop destroyed. to the right, the same is true with this men's clothing store. if you look inside, you'll notice all the shelves are empty. people in this community took over. they started looting. they destroyed businesses. after they learned about that traffic stop on sunday.
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we know police say they were attempting to make an arrest of daunte wright, he's a 20-year-old, after they discovered there were outstanding warrants. now a short time ago i spoke with daunte's brother and i asked his brother about those warrants. and he told me his brother failed to check in with a probation officer on some unrelated incident. and he believes the brother believes that may have led to the outstanding warrant. we're working to learn more about that information. and what that warrant was for. but keep in mind this is a community that is hurting over the past two weeks members of brooklyn center and across the greater twin cities, to be frank, have watched the trial of derek chauvin. the video for some of them has been tough to watch. and as this traffic stop here in brooklyn center is unfolding, folks in the community learned about that army lieutenant who was pulled over, held at gun
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point, and pepper sprayed. and then they learned another person here in this community in the twin cities died at the hands of police. we hope to hear from police later this afternoon. jim? >> adrian, we know you'll bring us the latest. thanks very much. minutes from now prosecutors are expected to call one who could be their final witness before resting their case in the murder trial -- derek chauvin's murder trial. sayer sarah, the prosecution expected to call another medical doctor today. do we believe this is the final witness? does the defense follow immediately? >> we think also that they're going to hear from what is referred to in court as a spark of life witness as well. and that would be a family member of george floyd. and we expect that to be one of his brothers. and, you know, the reason why they do that is to humanize the person as if george floyd needs
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to be humanized even further because we heard from so many of the spark of life witnesses at the very beginning of the trial. these are people who did not know george floyd but talked about him except for his girlfriend who also talked about who he was. but we do expect to hear from a medical doctor today as well as potentially family member of george floyd's who will talk to the jury about who he was and his relationship, for example, with his mother. that is what we're expecting. and then that could be the end of the prosecution's case. and then we will start hearing the defense's case. this trial going a little faster than a lot of folks thought it might. we have heard from more than 30 witnesses. that is a lot of witnesses in this particular case. we will see how many witnesses the defense calls, depending on how many witnesses the defense calls and how long it takes for examination and then cross-examination, you know, this could be wrapped up far sooner than everyone thought. this was expected to be a four to six week trial.
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but we'll have to see. i do want you to hear from benjamin crump, the attorney for the floyd familiarly. he talked to cnn this weekend and talked about the family potentially going on the stand. we expect that to happen. and his thoughts so far. >> there's going to be a very big test for them because they're going to hear they're brother, their father, their loved one called everything but a child of god. they're going to talk about him as a person haopioid addiction. they're going to try to use that as the basis to say that's why he died. >> so you hear from benjamin crump the themes that he believes the defense is going to use. you can already tell the road that defense is going down. one, they're trying to say that was drug use, not chauvin's knee on his neck that caused george floyd's death. they're also trying to say the
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crowd was unruly and distracting to the officers as well. and so we will have to go further to see exactly what they do. we expect them to at least try to talk to witnesses that are from the medical profession, to talk about how george floyd actually died which may refute some of what you heard from the prosecution. but that could happen as early as tuesday. jim? >> and as derek chauvin is called by the defense? lots of questions to be answered. sarah, we know you'll be there. back with me now, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, laura coates and charles ramsey. thank you both. let's begin with this case, this latest shooting yesterday in minneapolis. a lot of details we don't know yet. granted, we have that handicap as we go n based on what you know and simplest question is when is it lawful for an officer to use deadly force in an attempted arrest like this one? >> so as we've seen from the
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derek chauvin trial, you have this use of force continuum which essentially says you can only use the amount of force necessary to essentially neutralize a threat. it has to be reasonable. it has to be necessary. it's got to be proportional. the fact that somebody may have a warrant does not change the calculus unless you have some reason to believe that in that instant the person poses a deadly risk to you. you can't just use deadly force. so in large respect, although this is separate from what we're seeing in the derek chauvin trial, the use of force best practices are the same. unless officers have some justifiable reasonable belief that deadly force needed to be used, they're not entitled to do so and it can become excessive force and constitutional violation of the fifth amendment. >> he did not check in with a probation officer. that lack of a check in not relevant to the police or is it relevant to how the police would handle a stop like this?
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>> it's only relevant if they believe that he was using deadly force in the moment or that he was a threat of force. you can, of course, use force to subdue or control a suspect. but it's got to be proportional. it can't be participate torre. we saw that from testimony this week. >> understood. charles ramsey. you're an officer in this situation or one of the officers that you led in d.c. or philadelphia. these circumstances, you pull someone over. you do the check. you run the computers. you say he has an outstanding warrant. he gets back into the car. what is the training tell you to do at that point? >> well, i mean, obviously if he's got a warrant, you would try to make an arrest for that warrant. but you also know who he is. i mean, if you ran the check and he's got a warrant. so if you got back in the car and drove off, you know, eventually you're going to be able to get him. as one more charge he would have to face eventually in court, fleeing from police. i don't know the nature of the warrant but it doesn't matter.
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if he's not a direct threat to the officers or another, then the use of deadly force would be something that would not be authorized. there is a lot i don't know about this case, obviously. there is body worn camera footage. eventually we may see it. but bca has this case. and whether they choose to release that footage or not is another matter. i don't know if they would or not. >> okay. and there's a lot to learn. still not even 24 hours after this incident. we'll stay on top of. that returning now to the derek chauvin trial. interesting, laura coates, if you heard sara saying this moved a bit so far more quickly than some expected. the defense getting close to wrapping here and -- sorry , prosecution getting close to wrapping. you said this repeatedly, prosecution's job, set the scene, deal with the question of use of excessive force and then deal with the question of what actually caused his death. to this point, do you think the prosecution has satisfied that?
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>> they have done a dynamite job. i've been looking through the different elements of the crime, the different choices available to the jurors from second-degree murder to third degree murder to manslaughter and they've been able to cross section on each of the different elements to try to demonstrate the two main things, it was no the a reasonable use of force. it is more than excessive. it went into criminal assault and also that it was a substantial causal factor of death. one thing that sara pointed out, the spark of life doctrine. normally you're not able to have a witness come and tell you why the victim is a great person. normally that goes into character evidence. people will be able to then bring up on the defense reasons why this person is not a good character. why this is not a good person. the vilification begins again. but in minnesota, they allow the prosecution to be able to bring this spark of life person to say this person was more than bones to make sure this person is
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brought to live and they are humanized as a victim. it's no the just a turn of phrase. it's actually what you are allowed to do in minnesota. but it does pose a risk for the defense to now be able to say, let me tell you why he's not. the judge already said, tread lightly here. the more you open up about his character, the more it is fair game for them to attack it. >> interesting. charles ramsey, big development in this case has been the breaking of the so-called blue wall of silence, right, in that you have not just one fellow uniformed officer speaking against derek chauvin and his use of force, but several including his commanders, right, who were superior to him on the day that this incident took place. i wonder how significant that is in your view to this trial but also bigger picture for how the police handled these sort of things. >> will with, it is significant. but i would also say that you don't get many police misconduct cases that rise to a criminal
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level. and that are actually tried in kra criminal court let alone be on television. chauvin's actions with are so far off in terms of policy and training that, you know, i'm not the least bit surprised that you'd have other officers certainly as command officials speak out against him. normally when you see that, it's an arbitration hearings. that's where a majority of misconduct cases are actually tried in that forum. so it's not uncommon for it to occur there. but the public is unaware because those are closed hearings. >> laura coates, one unanswered question. what witnesses the defense calls here, derek chauvin is a possibility. i know you're a prosecutor. that's your background. but if you were the defense attorney here, do you see an advantage or disadvantage in calling chauvin to the stand? >> well, for the same reasons you want to humanize the victim and george floyd, the same reasons you want to humanize derek chauvin. up until now, the prosecution has done him no favors at trying to present him in a positive light. they're not trying to explain his behavior or offer him a
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benefit of the doubt. and so the only opportunity that they really have is on defense is to say and answer the question, why didn't you just get off of the man's neck? why didn't you just take his pulse? what did you believe about the training? remember, one key part here, the forensic pathologist and medical examiner, all experts, one thick thing he has to say is, fine, i'm not a poulmonologist. i was doing what i thought was a subjective interpretation of reasonable use of force. if he's not able to show that, i'm not sure what expert can do that other than him. but, of course, he takes the stand. he's also fair game to have all of the things he's ever done as an officer come to light as well. >> right. no question. laura coates, charles ramsey. more to come. thanks very much. one of the two virginia police officers who drew their guns on, pepper sprayed a black
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army lieutenant during a traffic stop has now been fired. body cam footage, other video from the december incident has now been released. police say they pulled the army officer because it appeared his vehicle did not have a license plate though there was one taped to the rear window. and also the police say that it had dark tinted windows. cops considered it a high risk stop and approached with guns drawn. that temporary plate was taped there in a statement released sunday, officials from the town of windsor say an internal investigation has been conducted. additional training implemented in january. the statement does not mention when the officer was terminated and the other officer involved is still employed by that police department. the army officer who was pulled over, he is now suing both of those officers. still to come, in just hours, president biden will meet with a bipartisan group of lawmakers to discuss his propose will $2 trillion infrastructure
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police chase in georgia. that began when a car was caught speeding 111 miles an hour. police say the early morning chase ended in carol county which rest as long the georgia-alabama border. ryan young is at the scene of this. ryan, i mean first question, do we know the condition of the officers now? >> yeah, jim, we're still working to get the details on their conditions. we're told one officer is in surgery. so obviously, you know, hearts and prayers goes out to that officer as he is dealing with the situation right now. this all taking place on i-20. major road going through atlanta, obviously. about 40 miles away from the city of atlanta itself. carol co carroll county, can you see the car in the background there. it's an active investigation going on still. what we're told that car was on the highway when a georgia state patrol trooper tried to get behind it and stop it at that high rate of speed. at some point, the trooper tried to use a pit maneuver. they take the front end of the
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car and try to hit the back end to put it out of control. at that point, according to georgia state patrol, someone in the car started shooting. the move over a little bit so you can see the investigation. you can see the officers down the way here still collecting evidence. from what we're told, when the shots were fired, one officer was hit during that. one suspect has been killed. another has been captured after negotiation. so they're still trying to sort this out. we're told two other officers were shot. there is a back and forth whether or not the car crashed, one of the officer's cars crashed while this speed chase was going on. so all this is still developing. you can see as we're live, there are more officers arriving to the scene now. and they start to take part of this investigation. so one ses iuspect killed, one officer in surgery and active crime scene with two other officers injured. we don't know the extent of the injuries yet. we'll get an update in the near future. a very active scene going on
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right now with these three officers being shot, one suspect being killed and another captured. >> ryan young, thank you so much. we'll bring you that information as we get it. we are standing by for the beginning again of day 11 of the derek chauvin trial. we'll bring that to you the moment it starts. meanwhile, we're looking up on capitol hill. can compromise happen? a big question today. congress turns to work with president biden's infrastructure plan in the top priority spot. the president just hours will hold his first bipartisan meeting on that plan with some republicans and democrats as the bill faces certainly some big republican hurdles, potentially at least one democratic one, his name senator joe manchin. john harwood joins us now. john, i wonder what the white house's latest pinch to manchin. he was definitive in interviews saying, no on ending the filibuster. expressed discomfort, you might say with opposition to using
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reconciliation again. but didn't exactly draw a line in the sand there. what is the white house read of his position? >> well, jim, the pitch from the white house is first to the republicans that will be joining democrats in that meeting today. you supported infrastructure projects in the past. we proposed a whole bunch of infrastructure projects in this package. let's see if we can make a deal. the message to joe manchin who will not be in that meeting is look here, we're trying to compromise with republicans. they expressed in skepticism. joe manchin wants a serious effort made. they're sending out the most effective communicator to argue that don't get hung up on the issue of whether the elements of our proposal fall into a traditional definition of infrastructure. there are things necessary for a prosperous economy and the american people support them. >> okay. >> we can agree to disagree on what to call it. i'm still going to ask you to
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vote for it. it makes no sense to say i would have been for broadband but i'm against it because it's not a bridge. i would have been for eldercare but i'm against it because it's not a highway. these are things the american people need. the president wants to see major action in congress and real progress by memorial day. >> now, of course, the challenge is that republicans object to the breadth of the propose a. they also object to the pricetag and to the amount of taxes necessary to pay for these proposals. now the administration's most willing to compromise on the level of taxes, less so on the size and scope of the plan. but if they do come down on the taxes, republicans have a complaint about borrowed money, about adding to the deficit. which is why, jim, it looks as if to most people involved in this process that he is end of the day the administration is going to try to do this with democrats only and count on the fact that joe manchin will be satisfied they tried to get republicans to go with them. >> i wonder is there is a
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pricetag here that republicans will find palatable? i mean some of the republicans go into the meeting today, you know, they're not exactly known for compromise. heads of the committee, roger wicker from mississippi. don young from los angeles. so what is the strategy here? are they offering a number? >> they have not settled on a number. but republicans will tell you that some of them are willing to go up to maybe $700 billion, $600 billion, maybe up to a trillion dollars. but the party is not united in any stretch of the imagination about how to move forward. people have a lot of different ideas that are overall sentiment is they don't believe the size, t the white house is pitching, they have $2 trillion with no republican support. if there a belief they can drop this package substantially, push
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it through, try to get republican support and then worry about the rest of those pieces he didn't get ton a later legislative vehicle, perhaps later in the year, then they can do it that way. it appears they'll have meetings with republicans. we'll see if they go anywhere. they may push it through along party lines in the house. nancy pelosi wants this through the house by july 4th. and then they have to worry about joe manchin, the other democrats in the senate. if they do use that budget process, that can allow it to pass by just 50 votes. not getting republican support. they still have to work out, jim, even though they gave the broad strokes of the proposal. they have to write that and they have not done that yet. a lot of details you have to sort through. >> dynamic, not unlike what we saw with covid-19. they judged that republicans were not interested in compromise. we'll see if if it's different now. thank you very much. >> coming up, we are waiting for the start of the derek chauvin
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michigan's governor said she needs more vaccine doses as that state experiences a big surge in
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new coronavirus infections and hospitalizations. the white house has refused saying that michigan and other states need to be more efficient with how they handle their existing supplies. cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joins me now. this gets to a broader debate here, right? to this point the federal government handed out to all states evenly based on population raises the question though if you have something of a crisis in michigan, should you adjust that policy and flood the zone in the meantime? any consideration of that? >> right. you know, certainly some experts think that is the way to go. you should be keeping track of where you're seeing a lot of cases. that was done, for example, when distributing antibody drugs. i think the decision of of this administration has been, look, we're going to have surge here and a surge there and a surge there. and we're not going to do all that. we're going to give you what you should be getting based on your population. who knows what state is going to be next. there is no question, jim,
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michigan is in a pretty bad situation. let's take a look at these numbers. if you look at new cases in michigan per day, 74 new cases per 100,000 people per day, that is the highest rate in the united states. just to put that in perspective, the second highest is new jersey with 40 new cases per 100,000 per day. so 74, second highest is 42. now one of the big reasons for this is that the uk variant which as we know is so much more transmissible, that is especially prevalent in michigan. they have the highest rate of that in the entire country. jim? >> let me ask you this. are we seeing deaths go up commensurate to the new infections? >> you know, not exactly. but with he certainly are seeing deaths go up. and so that is really a concern. it's not just people are getting sick, people are also dying.
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get the vaccines o tout where there are surges, it could save lives. >> okay. >> we just showed on the screen a short time ago, 20% of the population fully vaccinated. cdc said by the end of this week more than half of all adults in the u.s. will have received at least one dose of the vaccine. we have this record over the weekend, 4.6 million doses in a 24-hour period. that is going along swimmingly as far as you can tell? any disruption to that trend? >> i'll tell you, this were all sorts of people, people complaining about how this was going at the end of the trump administration at the very beginning of the biden administration. they're not complaining anymore. they think that clearly we have a really good supply. and clearly the execution is being done well. it's not surprising. it it sort of takes a while to get into something like this. this is not something we do every year. as a matter of fact, we basically never done what we're
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trying to do right now in this particular way. so, yes, it is going quite well. the key is to have it continue to go quite well. there are some manufacturing concerns about johnson & johnson, concerns that supply is not going to be what it was. however, johnson & johnson is a pretty small fraction of what is being used right now in the united states, moderna and pfizer doses are much more plentiful. >> it's a benefit of having multiple options, right. having three different manufacturers with three pretty reliable vaccines in the pfizer, moderna and j&j. thank you very much. we continue to wait for the restart of the derek chauvin trial. this will be day 11. we have some pretrial motions being taken care of now. once they get into the meat of it, we'll bring it to you live. please stay with us.
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we're monitoring events on day 11 of the derek chauvin trial. a key moment now because you have defense lawyers arguing that the jury needs to be sequestered by the judge because of events over the last 24 hours in and around minneapolis in response to the shooting of a young black man, the fatal shooting by police of a young black man. we're joined now by laura coates, former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst. this is quite a question here. you and i spoke earlier about the effect those events in minneapolis might have on the trial. now you have the defense arguing jury should be sequestered. will they win this argue snment argument? is it a substantial one? >> we were talking about how it can cut both ways. they've already been voir dired
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about black lives matter and what happens in 2020. that is all part of the special questionnaire. the defense is saying this is too much now. this is going to weigh on the minds of jurors and make an unfair prejudicial bias against the defendant. of course, the prosecution is saying, absolutely not. we are opposing this. we will agree to perhaps have them limited even more in their use of media. but how do you define media? is everything off the table now? remember, these facts and the case that are unfolding before us in the fatal shooting of mr. wright outside of minneapolis is actually markedly different as far as we can tell just by the mechanism of death already. that is a phrase we heard about a lot last week. that was involving yesterday a shooting death of officers by officers of a person. now we're talking about what happened over a 9:29 second period with the video footage. the person has been charged with a crime. other officers on the scene, et cetera. we don't know how these compare
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and contrast. but the mechanism alone of death is different. also, where does this end? if you're the judge in this and you say, okay, do i need to sequester every jury, every time there is an officer-involved shooting in another jurisdiction that maybe coverage of this? remember, the summer of 2020 and the reaction, the visceral reaction to george floyd was how illustrative it was for so many other cases, no the just ones that involved asphyxiation that remind you of eric garner but what happened with other people. all of which had different patterns and fact patterns. the idea here you're going to be able to sequester a jury away from any officer involved shooting or officer involved death is really going to be an -- not just an uphill battle, it will be impossible to do so. the prosecution has gone through two weeks of the case. the idea they have to sequester
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a jury after they're at the tail end of the evidence is odd. >> understaood. i believe we is might have a decision concerning this? >> we do. as laura was mentioning, you know, sequestering this jury didn't happen in the beginning and the judge has ruled on the defense's motion to sequester the jury now because of the last shooting. a police officer shot and killed daunte wright last night causing an uproar from the community. and the judge has made a decision, the xjudge denied the defense's decision to sequester the jury because of this latest police officer involved shooting. and, you know, look, the judge could have sequestered this jury in the very beginning. but i think the judge realizes that right now with the social media and with all of the ways in which you can get information, being sequestered, what are they going to do? take their phones away from them so they can't communicate with families at all? i think the judge decided that, look, this is something that
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happens in these communities and it is something that certainly should not have a major effect on this trial. remember, we already heard from 35 witnesses and over and over again made sure and asked the jurors during voir dire that can they be partial? can they be impartial? can they pay attention to all of just the details of what they're hearing in the court and each and every one of them when asked answered they could be impartial. they could just look at the evidence given to them in court. he is sticking with that. and deciding that, no, the defense's motion will not go forward. they will not sequester this jury. >> the process prior to selecting a jury, voir dire when the questions are asked. can you impartially consider this case based on past experiences, opinions, et cetera? is it laura coates, they called the jury back in now. we'll go back the moment they resume proceedings here. based on what you know from your seat, did the judge make the right decision here? >> yes.
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he did. but, of course, it will now open this issue on appeal. the defense is going it try to use this to demonstrate he did not receive a fair trial. that some intervening extra judicial event essentially was the cause of the jury being biassed if in fact it causes a conviction of the defendant. but again, i think he made the right call. for the reason that sara and i are talking about, this is the presentation of evidence over two weeks at this point. they've already been voir dired over the process how they can be impartial. that doesn't mean your head is in the sand. not one jurors or potential jurors was ever asked if they knew nothing about the case and had they frankly said jim they knew nothing about the case, it would almost be like around the 90s and someone saying was there a ford bronco going down the l.a. highway? this person would not be credible. so the idea that they're supposed to be impartial means that not that you don't have perhaps some viewpoints or you have some personal beliefs, but you're able to check them at the door, receive the prosecution and the defense evidence, follow
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jury instructions including stay away from coverage of this case and render a decision based on that. so the idea of having to interrupt and saying, with every police shooting unfortunately, there will be more. probably have been through the course of this trial. maybe you know about them. that cannot interrupt justice for this particular trial. >> charles ramsey also joining us. of course, he led police departments in d.c. and philadelphia. to the issue at hand, outside of the courtroom and that is that police in the minneapolis area have to deal with protests in response to this shooting on sunday. and some of those, i don't want to call them protests, but some leading to looting, violence, chasing police. how do police effectively respond to that? >> well, you know, again, protests are legitimate. sp people have a constitutional right to do that. you have to stop it quickly. these are business that's deserve protection just like a
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person would deserve protection. so you do the best you can and try to have that balance. to allow people to really express their concerns and to protest. but at the same time, you can't allow property destruction to take place. it's always a difficult thing to do. but that's what you have to do in this case. hopefully it doesn't spread to the city of minneapolis. but right now we just don't know what happened. but, you know, last night was not a pretty thing at all in regards to the response by some members of the community. not all but some. >> right. and the mother of the victim actually spoke to the crowds last night and said, please don't do this. doesn't help the situation. laura, charles, sayer yashgs plsar yashgs -- sara, please stand by.
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the state called their next witness in day 11 of the derek chauvin trial. there is a sidebar discussion taking place. laura coates is with us as we pr priebe prepare to listen in. you talked about the multiple jobs of the prosecution, one is dealing with excessive force and determining cause of death. what more do they need to do? >> well, they need to essentially corroborate, confirm, reiterate the idea that this was a substantial causal factor this the death of george floyd. remember the timing is important here. it's monday. it's monday morning. that means the jurors that have had at least --
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>> laura, sincere apologies. >> the sidebar is over. >> i'm an associate professor of medicine at northwestern university. >> dr. rich, what have you come to talk to the jury about today? >> i'm here as an expert cardiology. specialist to provide my opinion as to how mr. george floyd died. >> have you ever testified in the court of law before? >> this is my first time. >> would you briefly summarize for us your educational background? >> sure. so i attended the university of illinois in urbana champagne for my undergraduate studies where i majored in biology and performed my premedical course work. >> where did you go to medical school? >> i went to the albert einstein college of medicine in new york. >> and do you know what a residency is?
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>> yes, i do know what a residency is. >> will you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what a residency is? >> sure. after completing medical school, i went on to do training in internal medicine. and that training is referred to as a residency. i believe the term originated because you seem to spend all your time in the hospital. you're basically a resident there. and so that was a three year internal medicine residency. >> and where did you do that residency? >> i did that at the women's hospital at harvard medical school. >> did you also have something called a fellowship? >> yes, i did. >> what is a fellowship? >> upon completing internal medicine residency training, many will go on to practice at that point. i opted to specialize in cardiology. and so when you take on an additional specialty, that form of training is referred to as a fellowship. >> and so did you do a fellowship? >> yes. >> and where did you do your
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fellowship? >> i did that at the university of chicago. >> and were you a chief fellow? >> yes. i was the chief fellow. >> what is a chief fellow? >> so every fellowship is going to have an average 18 cardiology fellows, six in each class. and so i was bestowed the honor to be the chief fellow which is basically being the captain of the group. >> after completing cardiology fellowship, decided i wanted to subspecialize further in a field of advanced heart disease that focuses on heart failure and heart transplantation. >> are you board certified? >> yes, i am board certified in both cardiovascular diseases and in advanced heart failure and
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transplant medicine. >> transplant cardiology? >> that's correct. >> what is transplant cardiology as a field? >> thankfully most people are not going to need a heart transplant, but on occasion patient's hearts worsen and get to the point where they're tremendously weak and can't function on their own anymore. the medicine is not working. so the field of transplant cardiology is one in which we try to see if we can find a suitable match for that individual to get them a heart transplant essentially to restore their life. >> are you trained in basic and advanced cardiac life support? >> yes, i am. >> and we intdo that training ey two years as part of my job. >> let's fwauk your employment background. after you finished your fellowship, where did you go to work? >> right. so after completing the heart failure and transplant fellowship, i took my first position at the university of chicago as a cardiovascular
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specialist and heart failure. >> were you employed there until may of 2013? >> that's correct. >> where did you go to work after that? >> since may of 2013, i've been at northwestern university as i mentioned earlier as one of the heart failure and transplant cardiologists. >> do you hold any leadership positions at northwestern? >> yes, i do. >> what's that? >> so one of them is i am the medical director of the mechanical circulatory support program. >> medicalal circulatory support program? >> right. >> what is that? >> i'll keep it brief. basically, we talk about heart transplant for a minute. patient's whose hearts become weak and they're not a good match for a transplant or they don't have time to wait for a transplant, we can implant mechanical heart pumps that combine with their weakened heart can restore blood flow to
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their body to improve their quality of life and allow them to live longer. >> do you have any other relevant leadership positions at northwestern? >> yes, i do. i'm also the program director of the advance heart failure and transplant fellowship training program. >> and what does your job at northwestern entail as relates to either heart disease, treatment, prevention? >> sure. so i could answer that by basically putting it into three major domains. as a cardiologist, i perform a lot of clinical work that is probably the most intensive part of my job. >> before you go on, would you tell the jury what is meant by clinical work as compared to what? >> absolutely. clinical work basically means patient care. okay? so it's the actual acts of taking care of patients, whether it is in the hospital, outside the hospital, that's what we think of when we say clinical. i also do a fair amount of education and teaching.
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i teach the students, residents and fellows. i travel across the country and deliver lectures on a variety of cardiovascular topics and help chair medical meetings. and then the third part of my job as a cardiologist is i conduct clinical research and have been doing so in it a variety of cardiovascular diseases for nearly 20 years. >> do you spend most of your time though providing clinical care to patients? >> yes. that is for sure the most intense aspect of my job. >> and what does your clinical practice then entail in terms of taking care of patients? >> sure. >> so my clinical practice has three components. number one is my job in the hospital. so i spend several months, sometimes four to five months of the year as the lead cardiologist rounding in the hospital, taking care of basically the sickest heart disease patients in the hospital and i also oversee their care in
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the intensive care unit. the second part of my clinical duties is i see patients in the outpatient setting in the office, in the clinic. where i evaluate, diagnose, and treat patients close to 50% of the patients, the new ones that i see in the clinic, are referred by other cardiologists because these patients can sometimes have pretty complex medical conditions. and then the third part of my clinical work is i perform procedures in a procedural suite we call the cath lab, i measure pressures inside the heart and inside the lungs. and sometimes i will also take small biopsy samples of the inner lining of the heart for diagnosic purposes. >> given that you deal with a number of patients who could be really sick, do you ever have patients that will pass away? >> so i work wit


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