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enters a new phase as a key associate signals he might strike a plea deal. >> it's clear that everybody expects greenberg to cooperate against gaetz. >> every statement he's made is potentially incriminating and can work against him. mr. floyd died from a low level of oxygen. >> dr. tobin said four things caused floyd to stop breathing including floyd's position on the concrete. >> the doc has destroyed the defense's theory. >> announcer: this is new day. >> welcome in, united states and all around the world. this is "new day," april, april 9th, 6:00 in new york. i'm john berman. erica hill with me this morning. >> it is friday. >> it is, we're going to make it. new overnight there are receipts, venmo receipts, the latest sign the walls may be closing in on congressman matt gaetz.
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a flurry of new things. adam kissin inger became the third. it also involves an alleged relationship that gaetz had with a 17-year-old girl. all of these developments part of a broader probe into the congressman's friend joel greenberg who is already facing one count of sex trafficking. greenberg's attorney has said he's flip and working on a plea deal with the investigators and added, quote, i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling comfortable today. and then receipts, new details from "the daily beast" about alleged venmo payments to greenberg from gaetz and the records reportedly left behind. in the meantime, it's expected to be a very big day in the derek chauvin murder trial.
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the medical examiner who performed the autopsy on george floyd expected to testify, and that comes on the heels of a day of powerful testimony including this man, dr. martin tobin. he testified floyd died from a low level of oxygen, not because of drugs in the system but the knee on his neck that led to his death. let's begin with ryan on the hill. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, erica. this report from t"the daily beast" indicates another relationship between joel greenberg and matt gaetz. there was a massive federal investigation that involves prostitution, sex trafficking, and a number of other crimes. they outline a series of
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transactions from gaetz's venmo to greenberg's venmo. $900 in transactions from gaetz to greenberg that then ended up going to three unidentified women. now, the women are not under age. there's no direct evidence that they were paid for sex, but it does outline how close this connection is between gaetz and greenberg and that is important because yesterday in an orlando courtroom greenberg and his attorney announce they'd're ready to make a plea deal with federal prosecutors. if that happens, that means there could be a cooperate agreement not far behind. if greenberg begins to dish on what he knows about matt gaetz, that could be trouble for the florida congressman. listen to what greenberg said yesterday outside the courtroom. >> does matt gaetz have anything to worry about? >> does matt gaetz -- that is such a broad -- does he have --
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>> does he -- >> does he have anything to worry about? you're asking me to get into the mind of matt gaetz. i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. >> reporter: he's denied all allegations. he said he's never paid for sex or had sex with a 17-year-old. still there's pressure on the congressman for right now. he's not been in the house for several weeks. the question is will gaetz even be here. he currently has an active proxy vote which means he can participate without being in washington. >> is adam kiss inger the first or last to call on these lists of allegations. thank you very much. joining us now is margaret talev, senior editor of axios.
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we talked about joel greenberg. his attorney said he's working toward a plea deal. i want to play a little more of him, which gives you a sense of the atmosphere surrounding matt gaetz now. listen. >> did your client introduce matt gaetz to any underaged girls for sexual relations? >> all right. i'm going to let you sit down there and look over your head so i can ignore the question. >> the question was did your client introduce gaetz to any underaged girls for sexual relations. sit he didn't answer. >> obviously on the criminal justice front, those remarks, even the fact that mr. greenberg's attorney was willing
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to talk to the press and mention congressman gaetz tells you that the prosecutors and the attorneys are trying to push a message. it also certainly sounds like there are going to be both in terms of testimony and in terms of receipts, records, electronic records, additional revelations that could definitely imperil congressman gaetz. on the political front, it's a series of questions, but, yes, i don't think congressman kisinger is going to be the only one who's going to make this call. when everybody comes back back, there's that flurry of conferences and questions again
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and again, there's going to be a demand for a more fulsome answer. president trump himself gave weak support of congressman gaetz, not the full-thrown support you've seen him give so many other close allies, and you have the billboard put up by an anti-trump pac that's getting a lot of headlines about congressman gaetz. you've got these additional revelations about the venmo transactions. this is moving along a lot of fronts very quickly and it's all bad new forsberg congressman. >> it does seem like it's moving along very quickly. what we're starting to hear and will hear -- whether they answer the questions or not, we know they will be asked in the halls of congress as the colleagues are back and walking along with our colleagues, the fact that we got this statement from matt gaetz's office just with women with no names called him a principled and grounded leader with no him of impropriety, i
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mean to put out a statement from the women in his office, but with no names attached, i'm not sure that sends the message they were hoping it would. >> it's also not clear, erica, who the message is for. i think that that message is probably for republican leadership in congress as much as anything else. it's to say, don't cut me loose right now, you know, i'm not guilty of what i'm being accused of is the message he's trying to send. but leadership has a choice when they're figuring out who to keep on committees and where to stand by their members. the predicate for being a member of congress is not have you been convicted of any crimes. it's, you know, are you an appropriate figure to serve on these committees. so i think republican leadership is going to have more and more pressure to take a stand on this and say whether or not they can still support the congressman in active kinds of committee roles and such, and that's not going
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to get any easier next week when congress comes back. >> joe manchin, senator from west virginia, writes an op-ed saying he's opposed or reluctant to pass any legislation votes. it imperils president biden's agenda. it puts in jeopardy the huge infrastructure plan he wants to pass. so the day that comes out, our lauren fox is in west virginia with joe manchin and got this exclusive interview. i want to play a little bit of that. listen. >> january 6th, i was very clear with everybody. i never thought in my life, i never read in history books to where our form of government had been attacked at our seat of government, which is washington, d.c., our capitol, by our own people some of something told me, wait a minute, pause. hit the pause button. something is wrong. you can't have this many people split to where they want to go to war with each other.
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>> did the biden administration talk with you before rolling out the infrastructure plan and do you have other concerns besides the tax rate. >> they have been very, very kind. we do talk. we have communication. >> how often? whenever i like. >> the president directly. >> whenever he calls me, we have a good conversation. we have a good relationship, have had a good relationship for a long time. we understand each other. >> some think you're standing in the way because you don't want to get rid of the filibuster. >> they're trying to work toward the middle. you can't work in the fringes. >> it's an interesting discussion and there's a lot more. we'll play more in the next hour and lauren will be here, margaret. yesterday erica and i were here, and we woke up with the feeling that joe manchin might be a roadblock to the infrastructure plan. listening to joe manchin work
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himself through the issues, it may ba that he's giving him a roadmap to how to get the infrastructure passed. how do you see it? >> it's going to be parsed again and again by everyone, each who wants to see something different, but it seems like he's giving three clear messages, number one, selling biden and progressive democrats. don't try to jam too much through with consultation or you're going to give me no choice, and i'm telling you that now. number two, i think he's telling republicans i'm clearing this space and saying democrats have to work with you. if you don't work with them and really don't work with them, that may give me an excuse to kind of slide over and side with my own party if i need to. right? that's what he's saying. number three, he's telling the white house, don't send a staffer to come talk to me. i talked to president biden, right, and he's sort of bolstering or solidifying how
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important he is as the guy to come see. he's the fulcron. he's the lever. joe manchin seems to be saying i don't have a price on this one. i'm not going to vote to get rid of the filibuster. you're going to have to use reconciliation and do the steps ahead of time to make it okay for me in my home state and with this kind of legacy issue i have carved out around bipartisanship. you're going to have to make it work my while to do the -- essentially to be the 51st vote. like harris is already there, right? joe manchin is the tiebreaker. >> we're all becoming fluent in manchin this morning. margaret, thank you for helping us decipher what this all means. great to see you. >> thanks, john. we do have details about another mass shooting in america.
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this time in bryant, texas. the shooter, he's believed to be an employee of a company and is being charged with murder. all of this happened hours after president biden announced the new gun control measures through executive action. the medical examiner of george floyd's autopsy is expected to take the stand today. how critical is his testimony? we have a preview of what we're likely to hear next.
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denied the claim that drugs killed george floyd. >> reporter: in direct terms dr. martin tobin told jurors how he believed george floyd died last may? the cause of death is a low level of oxygen that caused the brain damage and the heart to stop. >> reporter: the pulmonologist backed up his analysis by using images, graphics, and videos during his testimony. >> dr. tobin, what do we see in exhibit 943. >> what we're seeing is half of his body weight and half of his gear weight is coming down. that's 91.5 pounds is coming down directly on mr. floyd's death. >> reporter: and even used an animation to re-create the fatal altercation. >> you're able to see how they're positioned at different points. >> reporter: tobin told jurors floyd slowly suffocated over the 9:20 seconds officers pinned him
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to the ground. >> it's almost to the effect as if a surgeon went in and removed a lung. not quite, but along those lines. >> and he talked about how long derek chauvin knelt on floyd's neck after he stopped breathing. >> the knee remained on the neck for another 3:02 after we reached the point where there was not an ounce of oxygen left in the body. >> reporter: tobin also dismissed the defense's claims that floyd could breathe because he was talking during the incident. >> it tells you how dangerous is the concept of if you can breathe -- or if you can speak, you can breathe. yes, that is true, on the surface, but highly misleading. >> reporter: the defense focused in on its argument saying floyd died of a fentanyl overdose. >> you would agree generally that fentanyl is a respiratory
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depressant. >> it can be. >> right. it's used in operating rooms, right? >> yes. >> reporter: but tobin testified neither drugs nor pre-existing health conditions were the cause of floyd's death. >> he was a healthy person subjected to what mr. floyd was subjected to would have died as a result of what he was subjected to. >> reporter: emergency physician dr. bill smuck also supported dr. tobin's testimony thursday. >> he was saying please, please, get off of me, i want to breathe, i can't breathe. that is not a fundamentalist nall overdose. that is somebody begging to breathe. >> reporter: and dr. tobin's show and tell-approach really captivated members of the juror. there were moments he told jurors to follow along with him, asking them to touch their neck. the jurors did, even after the judge said they didn't have to,
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they did. that testimony is on the minds of jurors as they enter the courtroom. today they'll hear from another medical examiner. the autopsy has been surrounded with troefs, and we will see how far the prosecution takes the medical examiner today because that autopsy report does not mention asphyxiation. john? >> it doesn't. john? erica? >> thank you. just ahead, cnn's exclusive reporting from inside myanmar, the deadly crackdown on pro-democracy forces. >> the 14-year-old who was killed. what do you have to say to his mother? >> we'll have more of clarissa ward's powerful report next.
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to what mr. floyd was subjected to would have died as a result of what he was subjected to. >> powerful testimony from a pulmonologist you saw there who dismissed the idea that the defense is saying it was drugs or pre-existing conditions that killed george floyd. joining us now is cnn legal analyst elie honig and also a forensic pathologist. i want to get into what we heard and what we're going to hear today. but, elie, could you characterize for us? i was watching that all day yesterday. we heard how the jury was just absolutely paying attention,
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taking furious notes, following along as dr. tobin suggested they feel their necks even after the junk said they didn't need to just so they could understand what he was trying to explain to them. how would you characterize him as a witness, elie? >> dr. tobin was a remarkably effective witness, really about as good as i've ever seen. when you're a prosecutor, that can be tricky because candidly they can be boring or difficult to understand. neither of those things applied to dr. tobin. he did two things that were very poshlgt. first of all, he provided well grounded scientific testimony as a key to the case. i felt like i was truly understanding human breathing for the first time listening to him. every conclusion, he said, that's based on this piece of video, this piece of evidence. the other thing is he left the jury with an indelible image in their head. he pointed out george floyd was digging his nugle into a tire
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trying to breathe. those images will stick with the jury. >> it's vivid imagery like this that i'm about to play where the doctor went into the specifics about the moment george floyd died. watch. >> at the beginning you can see he's conscious. you can see a slight degree. and then it disappears. so one second he's alive and one second he's no longer. that's the moment the life goes out of his body. >> so, doctor, again, this is your wheelhouse, your area of expertise. from your perspective, how was his testimony? >> good morning. thank you for having me. i actually agree 100% with dr. tobin. i thought physiologically and breaking it down, i think he did a great job. i think it will complement the upcoming medical examiner's testimony pretty well. and i think it lays a foundation for understanding why the
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autopsy came to the conclusion that it did. >> i want to follow up on that. we're expecting to hear from the medical examiner today, but his findings don't exactly line up with dr. tobin's. >> yes. >> there was no mention in his autopsy of asphyxiation. he did rule the death as homicide but called it pulmonary distress and mentioned pre-existing conditions and even mentioned the drugs in his system, which dr. tobin spent a long time going through why he did not believe that they contributed to his death. so it almost felt like dr. tobin was -- >> yeah. i think you have to understand how we sort of summarize an autopsy. i want to start by defining asphyxia.
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it's a very broad term in how the body is deprived of oxygen. that's really all it's saying. it's such an umbrella catch phrase that when i looked at dr. baker's report, he was much more specific and descriptive. and, you know, in a complex case, descriptive really captures all what happened. so it's not that -- maybe he didn't use the exact word requests at s fi asphyxia, but he covers the scenario more accurately. when i look at these cases in my practice and my legal reviews, you list the other significant conditions, and that doesn't mean -- you know, obviously mr. floyd had drugs in his system. obviously he had an enlarged heart. you are acknowledging these things. it doesn't mean that -- you know, you can't discount them, but i think dr. tobin really
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captured that -- that's why they're not the primary cause of death. did they contribute, yes, you know, but he really sort of helps qualitatively describe that they might have contributed but they weren't as significant as the restraint-related death -- you know, why the restraint caused the death. >> elie, i think erica's right, that this testimony, dr. tobin's testimony, needs to be seen in the bigger picture with the medical examiner testimony we're going to get today that so much of the last week has been a buildup to. in a way the defense didn't really lay a finger on dr. tobin and didn't really try, so how are both teams, using what we saw yesterday, to approach what we're going to see today? >> it's such an interesting sort of dilemma for the prosecution here. the problem is as dr. banerjee just said, the medical examiner
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for hennepin county, dr. baker, he did his review based on the dry file. he concluded the cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest. now, as the doctor said, it doesn't mention asphyxia. to a layperson like me, those sound like two different things, but as the doctor was explaining, they're not necessarily inconsistent. and the authentic the prosecutor has to explain to the jury is the bottom lines look different, but they can be reconciled. they'll have do that today. if not, they're going to have a problem. >> thank you very much. a big day ahead. despite the huge vaccination program, one-fifth of americans will not get a show. why children have any hope of reaching herd immunity. that's next.
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concerning signs about a new potential coronavirus surge even as the vaccination program continues to heat up. nearly 80,000 new cases reported. hospitalizations climbing to more than 42,000. that number keeps on rising. joining us now is dr. james hamlin. doctor, always great to see you. you know, you and others believe it's unlikely we'll get a fourth wave, a giant fourth wash, but the way you look at this, and i think it's interesting, we may not be as bad as we were, but we had nearly a thousand new deaths reported overnight. that's not good. we may need to recalibrate how we're looking at things, stop thinking of it as covid-19 as in 2019 and think of it as covid-21 as in 2021. explain. >> yeah. the challenges we're facing right now is completely
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different than we were facing last year. we know a lot about the virus. we have vaccines, we have better treatments, we know how to prevent the spread of the virus better month after abmonth. we've protected different ones. we have had policies being removed and people eeg fore get back to work and go school. we're facing a longer plateau where we're seeing surges and spikes. that doesn't give us the urgency as when we see an enormous nationwide wave, but it does not mean it's not a big deal. it continues to be a serious threat. >> we hear it, but then you put it in perspective really well about the long plateau.
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this is not where we want to be. poor dr. fauci has been saying it for so long as far as where we're at. you mentioned vaccinations and we're seeing great news on the vaccine front especially when we look at the number of people in america vaccinated. you say it may be time, too, to look closer at kids. you write, the impending role will be to protect kids from needless suffering and save other age group, noting that adults are delaying vaccination. surveys show one-fifth are outright refusing it. you write, vaccinating children will be central to any hope. are you concerned we'll reach a point where we're going to have to rely on them even more to help stop the spread? >> yes. so many adults have gotten
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vaccinated and have indicated that they're willing to, and that's wonderful, but it's not enough. we would basically have to get to 100% vaccination in adults in order to reach a level that might be considered herd immunity where there was very little spread in the community. some places will reach that temporarily because of the combination of vaccinations and the natural immunity to infection, but it's not something that can or should be relied upon, so there's going to be this period through the summer into the fall where adults can be vaccinated and kids can't and that moves the focus onto the fact that many thousands, tens of thousands of kids have had to be hospitalized over the course of the last year. about a third of them end up in the icu. the disease is much less severe for children in general, but that does not mean it's nothing. it's not something that, you know, we want any kids to have to get, so we really think every
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adult to think of it in the interest of your community and those who can't get vaccinated. >> all of us who have kids need a little bit of guidance. what are we suppose dodd with our kids who can't be vaccinated for months and months and months? i hope that's something the cdc will be helping us with soon. dr. ham blin, thanks for being with us. we have a cnn exclusive, inside myanmar, the takeover and the brave people willing to risk everything to fight it. >> some people from the balcony just flashed three fingers at me. that's "the hunger games" salute cha has become emblematic. i'm speaking quietly because i don't want them to know what we just did. kill weeds not the lawn with roundup for lawns products.
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military cracks down on pro-democracy protesters. the country of about 55 million people in southeast asia gained its independence in 1948 but spent more than 50 years under military rule. it was only in the last decade myanmar had a taste of democracy and military rule. that all ended when the largest agents seeked power. cnn's clarissa ward was one of the first reporters allowed in and has an exclusive. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, air kachlt one group says more than 600 people have been killed in the last two months, among them, more than 40 children, nearly 3,000 people detained, one official warning of a bloodbath or even a civil war if the situation doesn't improve. we went there to confront the punta about their brutality, and
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on the ground, we witnessed extraordinary acts of courage. by day the junta continues its brutal crackdown, killing pro-democracy protesters who refuse to submit to military rule. at nights the raids begin as soldiers round up action if i visits and drag away the dead. two months after overthrowing myanmar's democratically elected government in a coup, they have been unapologetic and silent in the outrage. activists have risked everything to show the world what's happening while access to the country has been blocked. but now the military has granted cnn the first access to visit mya myanmar. from the moment we arrived, our
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movements are tightly controlled. it gives you the sense of the intense level of security with us. one, two, three, another three over there, six trucks full of soldiers accompanied our every move. at township offices, alleged victims of the protest movement dutifully await us. they tell us they have been beaten and threatened and humiliated by the violators, a pejorative term the military uses for the pro-democracy protesters. up north the local administrator complains the demonstrators were noisy and broke the law by gathering in groups of more than five. are you seriously comparing these infractions to more than 500 people being killed, among them children? are you saying that these are equal? our minders are perturbed by the question and it goes unanswered. they take us to a shopping
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center, one of two attacked by arsonists overnight. like many businesses in myanmar, they are partially owned by the military. the strong implication from our minders is that the protesters are to blame. it's a similar story at several burned out factories. this is the third factory that the military wanted to show us. they say it's clear proof that the protesters are violent, that they have been setting fire to businesses like this. but the protesters say they had nothing to do with it at all, and the factory owners who we spoke to say they simply don't know who's responsible. sandra's chinese owned garment factory was completely destroyed. she asked we not show her face. do you have any sense of what you will do now? >> we're waiting for the government. >> who is the government right now in myanmar?
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>>. [ laughter ] >> sorry. is that a hard question? >> yes. i don't know. >> reporter: protesters begin posting about our movements on social media, and the military cuts off wi-fi across the country. still, from the window of our convoy, we catch glimpses of reality. some people from the ball con in just flashed three fingers at me. that's "the hunger games" salute, which has become emblematic of this uprising. i'm speaking very quietly because i don't want our minders to know what they just did because honestly it could be a very dangerous situation for them. we pass a small protest, rejecting myanmar's return to more than half a century of repressive military rule. their banner calls for a spring revolution.
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our minders won't let us stop. finally after days of pushing, we are allowed to visit a public space, an open market. we avoid approaching anyone, mindful of the fact we are surrounded by security forces. but within minutes, one brave man flashes the three-finger salute. >> i see that you made a sign. >> yes. >> tell me what you mean by making that sign. you just stand back. >> we want justice. >> you want justice. >> yes. >> reporter: a few minutes later, another man approaches. >> not scared. >> you're not scared. >> not scared. but every day, day by day, just like this. >> reporter: as word of our presence spreads, we hear an
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unmistakable sound, bangsound,. banging pots and pans is a tradition to get rid of evil spirits, but it's become the signature sound of resis tabs. this young teacher says she ran to talk to us when she ladder t -- heard the noise. >> you want democracy? >> we want democracy. >> you know we're surrounded by military, like this guy. >> we're not afraid at all. if we were afraid, we would not bang the pans. >> reporter: like many young people she sees her future ripped away sfwhee don't want to go back to the dark age. we lost our voice. we had democracy only for ten years, but we don't have weapons. we don't have guns. we just only have voice. >> reporter: but even words can be punished here. not wants the situation to escalate, we decide to leave the market as people honk their
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horns in support of the protest movement. the junta has grossly und underestimated them. in the capital, we finally have the opportunity to confront myanmar senior military leadership. >> translator: i will tell you the reason why we have to crack down. the protests were peaceful from february 1st to the 8th. the reason for the crackdown was because they blocked civil servants. the security forces are giving warnings. firstly, shouting to break the crowds and shooting in the air, and the crowds are throwing stones and using slingshots. >> are you seriously comparing stones and slingshots to assault rifles? the military is using weapons against its own people that really only belong on the battlefield. >> translator: the main thing is they're not only using stones
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and slingshots. we have evidence they use gasoline and molotov cocktails. you have to add those too. for the security forces, they use crackdown weapons for riots. there will be deaths when they're cracking down the riots, but we're not shooting without discipline with the rifles we use for the front lines. >> this is cc tv footage of 17-year-old quaman lau going past the police convoy. you see the police shoot him on the spot. his autopsy later said he suffered brain injury as a result of a cycling accident chi think we can all see that's not a psych mg accident. how do you explain this? >> translator: if that kind of thing has occurred, we will have investigations for it. we will investigate it if it's true or not. there may be some videos which look suspicious, but for our
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forces, we don't have any intention to shoot at innocent people. >> so 14-year-old tun-tun aung who was killed by military forces, what do you say to his mother? do you say he was a violent protester or what do you say of a 14-year-old also shot dead by your forces? >> translator: we have heard about the deaths of the children too. there is no reason we will shoot children. this is only the terrorists that are trying to make us look bad. >> reporter: but the lies are paper thin. according to the u.n., as of march 31st, at least 44 children have been killed. back here, our minders take us to another market in a military area, keen to show they have popular support, but the ploy backfires. i understand -- a man just told
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me we want democracy as he walked past. but he was too scared to stop and talk. others are more bold. these people are not activists. they're ordinary citizens and they live in fear of the military. you have goosebumps. you're like shivering. >> they are not human. >> yeah. they're not human. >> yeah. >> reporter: they're desperate for the outside world to know their pain. one girl approaches us, shaking. >> i feel like you're very nervous. are you okay? >> yeah, yeah. we are not safe anymore. the shooters shoot two rounds. >> i don't want you to get in
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trouble. i don't want you to get arrested, okay? >> thank you. >> all right? >> reporter: she knows her bravery will get her punished but this is a resistance built on small acts and great courage. that woman was arrested unfortunately as she ran away along with seven other people. her only crime, talking to cnn. some didn't talk to cnn. they simply flashed "the hunger games" salute at our camera. fortunately 48 days later cnn confirmed they were released. all of this is, i think, giving you a sense that the military is deeply, deeply threatened by this popular resistance movement. they understand that they do not have the support of their own people. >> so, clarissa, i have to say, that report, that journalism is the very definition of speaking truth to power. what you just did there
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literally speaking truth to power, coming with the pictures, coming with the receipts. that was stunning. and the scene inside the market with the courage of those people and to hear them say, you know, we don't have weapons, but we do have a voice, they have a voice, and the world can hear it now because of you and because of the cnt team showing and hearing and listening to that voice. so the question now is what becomes of this, right? the president ordered -- president biden ordered new sanctions against myanmar after the coup there. what impact is it having? >> well, there are several countries, john, that have levied sanctions at the junta, the uk. but the reality is they don't have a huge amount of leverage particularly if it's acting on its own. what we haven't seen yet is the sort of unified effort from the
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international community singing from the same song sheet. you've got to remember you have russia which has its own agenda, china which has its own agenda, a very different perspective on this whole conflict with the u.s. and the west. as long as you have that kind of paralysis within the international community, you're not going to see any meaningful robust response in myanmar. that's exactly why those people came out and were brave enough and desperate enough to risk it all to give people a voice, to force the world to look at what's happening and challenge them and plead them to do something about it. >> clarissa, you giving them the opportunity for their voices to be heard, you see the strength and the courage in what we're hearing and seeing from their voices from those three-finger salutes. i'm curious with your remarkable reporting, have you heard much since it first aired and whether it's starting to make a difference? i mean it certainly is here, but to your point, there's a lot
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more that needs to be done on the international front. >> listen. we've been inundated with messages with people from myanmar who are really happy to hear their voices amplified across the world, but i just want to underscore it's the local jurjts, it's the local activists who are under fire every single day and every night risking everything to tell their stories who don't have the protection of a big organization like cnn. they're the real heroes, and i hope that people will continue to listen to their voices even after we've left the country. >> they have our gratitude. you have our gratitude this morning, you and your entire team. remarkable work. thank you so much, clarissa. >> thank you. "new day" starts right now. i'm john berman with erica hill. it's a jet-black


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