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and in the derek chauvin murder trial, testimony about the kneeling on the neck and back. and the series of blows to the defense testifying that floyd did not die because of pre-existing conditions and drug useful that's where we begin. with laura coats and former captain of the missouri state how many, ron johnson, tasked with restoring peace in ferguson after michael brown's death. and we're so grateful to have you both on. we heard a renowned medical expert testify that even a perfectly healthy person with a never on their back or neck for that period of time would have died. we're told the jurors, that they were touching their own necks, taking notes. that doctor walked them through george floyd's final moments about how breathing works. how critical do you think this was for the prosecution? >> this was by far the most
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compelling testimony we've heard in this trial and i'm including the very emotional testimony from the first week from 9-year-olds up to somebody over a half a century older, from the police captain, the lieutenants, the sergeants. all of those people. nobody expected this pulmon pulmonologist. if you didn't know what that was before, you do now. he gave such instruction in a compelling persuasive way. he's a volunteer. not a paid expert. he has no essential skin in the game here. what did he was actually illuminated an issue about the ris respiratory system, showing the way george floyd had been reduced to desperately gasp for air, using his fingers, his knuckles, his shoulder, trying to elevate his own body. talking about new dimensions we hadn't contemplated yet. the idea of officers creating a vice-like contraption with his own body. and you heard them systematically resolve and
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dismiss the defense statements about possible drug use as being an alternative explanation. the idea of how something else may have contributed to it. the way he methodically laid out this case was so compelling. and as you mentioned, jurors through his demonstrative exhibits were following along when he said things like, touch your neck. look here. apply the pressure here and see what it is like. that's where you want to be if you're a prosecutor. that you're jury is so engaged that they're following the instructions of the witness. >> it's hard to watch that video where he's talking about what george floyd was doing in order to get a few, get some air into his body, into his lungs. captain johnson, officers can be heard on video telling floyd, if he can talk, he can breathe. this expert said that's very dangerous and highly misleading. is that something a police officer should know? >> yeah. and i have never heard that in
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any training. so when i heard that on the news, people have asked me. is that a part of training? it is not a part of training. and i agree, today's testimony was so compelling. today's testimony was tough. today's testimony for all of us, for all of manager. and i think today's testimony like the other correspondent that, had everyone touching their neck and feeling a sense of hurt and pain. >> captain, this doctor described in chilling detail what happened in the final moments of george floyd's life. we want to watch it now. >> on the right image, you see his knuckle against the tire. and to most people, this doesn't look terribly significant. but to a physiologist, this is extraordinarily significant. because this tells you that he has used up his resources and he is now literally trying to
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breathe with his fingers and knuckles. you can see that mr. floyd has his face rammed in to the street. because he's using his face here to try to crank up his chest. he using his forehead and his nose and his chin as a way to try to help him to get air into the right side of his chest. >> i mean, boy. the former philadelphia police commissioner was on earlier and he said, this testimony explaining the critical signs of someone struggling to breathe, should be used in future police officer training. what do you think of that? >> i think it should and i think any police department that has the ability to bring actual medical personnel in, a doctor to explain that, and not just training a policeman. we should bring the professionals in. this doctor was compelling.
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bring someone in that can really drive home that point. that needs to be part of bringing the movement forward. >> laura, this exposed so much about police training and the ways that some police officers, not all, behave when they're doing their jobs. what should be their jobs. the doctor testified that fentanyl was not a factor in george floyd's death. and we heard from the toxicologist that the amount of drugs in his system was relatively low. so is the prosecution down what is likely to come from the defense next week? >> this was one hell of a preemptive strike. that's exactly what it is. make no mistake about it. what was skriblg was torturous. you move-on the first part of prosecution's case, trying to determine whether there was a reasonable use of force, an excessive use of force or a
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deadly use of force that was criminal assault. now we've moved into whether this was a substantial causal factor in the death of george floyd. so the torturous explanation of this particular witness combined with the other testimony talking about how this was not an idea of fentanyl overdose. the jury is largely comprised of laymen, as we all are, aside from experts in the court of public opinion. so a lot of questions about what does a fentanyl overdose look like? what is the physiology of the respiratory system? how would someone operate if they had drugs in their system? this was a line used by the doctor to say, even a healthy person when asked about underlying conditions, even a healthy person who is subjected to what george floyd was subjected to, would have died. so you have this culmination of all of this evidence leaning toward a substantial causal factor in the death. but remember the order of witnesses here. who have we not heard from?
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the person who performed the autopsy. so the order of witnesses is essentially creating the foundation for the jury to be informed before they're influenced by something that might be less than ideal for the prosecution, or might be lying. now they know with a cardiac arrest is, they know what pulmonologists can tell them about respiration. all before they even get to the autopsy. this is strategic. >> thank you both. i appreciate your time. charges dropped against georgia state representative park cannon who was arrested and removed from the state capitol last month. he was charged with felony disruption and disrupting a general assembly session. she was looking at up to eight years of prison, for all knocking on the door. on the other side of that door was a group of republican lawmakers signing into law a
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voting bill that has been called jim crow 2.0. she said the fight continues and she is urging all americans to keep knocking. she joins me now. hi there. i appreciate you joining us. you're in a better place than the last time i spoke to you. tell us how you're feeling arrest hearing that you won't be prosecuted? >> after two of the longest weeks of my life, now i'm free from the threat of eight years in prison for simply doing my job. this is something that many americans understand the feeling of. so i really want to thank people for standing with me in solidarity, texting, calling, emailing, social media posting. it has really made a difference. i also want to thank the district attorney, bonnie willis and her office. they did a thorough investigation. they looked at the facts and they threw it out so it's time to keep going. >> your attorney saying you'll be pushing for charge of illegal
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use of force, illegal arrest and illegal detention. he says all options are on the table. what is the ultimate outcome that you want? >> all options are on the table. we're still leaning into what happens when you have a lawmaker like myself who for years has been putting excessive use of force legislation but been told in the public safety committee that it was too general. that it was too broad. we couldn't change that law. i know what it feels like. so today i'm excited about the opportunity for us to bring some more justice to georgia. >> yeah. i want to talk about, this has been in the news. it's not specifically related to what happened to you. it is the incident. what one of the officers has claimed about the incident. he was worried about january 6th style insurrection. what is your response to that? >> that's in the case that has already been dropped. unfortunately, what they don't realize is that we understand this jim crow tactic.
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this is not new. this is georgia. if they want to continue to change the rule or playing it more difficult for people to vote in georgia, we'll stand up with one stroke of a pen. brian kemp lynched millions of black voters and they think they go get away with it. no. this is a display of white privilege and white power. instead of helping families during a pandemic, figure out how they can safely cast their ballot, they're taking away voting hours. i feel like it is important that all georgiians understand the law because it is the law. we haven't changed the law yet. it is still current. so i want organizations, statewide and national to help us understand these laws before they come enacted and as they go into practice. >> so texas is looking like the next big battle ground state.
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it was georgia. now it looks like texas. republicans control all three branches of state government there like they do in georgia. so without protecting voting rights at the national level, what can be done at this point? >> this is a group of national lynchmen who are proposing these pieces of legislation and enacting them into lauflt it is now the time that we lean in and we keep knocking. we have seen what happened in texas. people are struggling to even cope with another tragic shooting. now they're going to have to be knocking on the governor's door to make sure their rights are protected to vote. those people in and out. this is jim crow 2.0 and we're not going to give up. i truly want people to understand why i wanted to be in that room. i wanted to witness what they were doing and we need a sea of witnesses in america on voting
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rights right now. >> you said earlier that, you said that brian kemp and others had lynched voters, black voters. then you said as a national lynchman group. some people will take offense to that language. >> when you strang actually vote from black and brown families, you take away their abilities to determine the very people who will protect their voting rights. this is very serious. this is a call for all of us to understand. it is time to be in the room. even as hard as that may seem. dr. martin luther king jr., congressman john lewis, all of those who have come before us and who have personally sat with me and talk with me as family members to say, it is the time now. there have to be more people who are willing to call this out and to address it.
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so i knocked and i encouraged others to knock. >> thank you, representative park cannon. i appreciate it. >> you, too. >>. republican congressman matt gaetz denying being involved with sex trafficking. he is not backing down. up with of his republican colleagues is calling for him to resign.
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so you can go from saving... to living. ♪ let's go ♪ there could be big problem for republican congressman matt gaetz who is being investigated for allegations of sex trafficking and prostitution. attorney joel greenberg, a key figure in the investigation, said greenberg is likely to strike a deal and cooperate with federal prosecutors. so far gaetz resisting calls for cooperation from congress where he learned quickly how to turn the spotlight on himself. >> reporter: the left in america has incited far more political
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violence than the right. >> reporter: congressman matt gaetz, bombastic, antagonistic, unapologetic. >> my fellow patriots. don't be shy and don't be sorry. >> reporter: the 38-year-old republican from florida has only been in washington for four years. but his flair for drama has captured national attention. >> you weren't elected by anybody. >> reporter: his theatrical style -- >> our citizens come first. sorry, not sorry. >> reporter: rooted in an upbringing once featured on the big screen. >> good afternoon, good evening and good night. >> reporter: he was on the troop an show. >> in the mid 90s, one day some producers shows up in a golf cart and tells my mother that they want to make a movie in this house starring jim carey. this is the house i grew up in. this was my bedroom during my
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formative years. and voila! love america. >> reporter: his mother is partially paralyzed after she suffered complications while pregnant with his sister and refused to terminate the pregnancy. it made an impression on a young gaetz who later said it contributed to his anti-abortion stance when he entered politics. >> every chance i get to stand up for high of, i will. >> reporter: the gaetzes were wealthy and powerful in the community. his father donne made a fortune for for profit companies. he eventually went into politics. don gaetz was elected tt state house, rising to become a power player in florida politics. >> he is the new america. he is the new republican party. >> reporter: after graduating from william and mary law school, matt worked as a lawyer in florida for only a few years until the seat opened up in the florida state house.
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>> there is no cause in northwest florida more worth fighting for than strengthening our military mission. >> reporter: matt leveraged his family name to easily win his first campaign in a special election to become a state representative in 2010. >> i hope everybody is ready to cut some taxes today. >> reporter: he served in the state house alongside his father for six years. >> it is my privilege to introduce the president of the florida senate. a guy i know pretty well. the senator from northwest florida, don gaetz. >> reporter: and took on the name baby gaetz among locals. a nod to his father's early influence. >> he was in the state house. this was a cadre of young lawmakers at the time that got attention. there was a crowd that liked to stay out late and have fun. >> reporter: political observers say it was in the state house where gaetz started to show case his flashy instincts. >> he would get on the floor of the state house and just speak
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in these spell binding monologues. >> reporter: it was then that gaetz latched on to a tool that would help amplify his voice. >> his approach on twitter definitely anticipated the trump era. >> reporter: in 2016 gaetz ran again. this time for a florida congressional seat and won. >> hey, matt, how are you doing? >> this is my mother. >> yeah. right in the middle here. >> reporter: and came to washington the next year. >> congressman matt gaetz. come on up, matt. i man i just watched last night on television. he was fantastic. >> reporter: he quickly cozied up to then newly elected president trump. >> hey, mr. president. it's matt gaetz. i don't need anything, sir. just calling to tell you you did a great job. today don't let these people get you down. we'll keep fighting for you with all we've got. >> reporter: becoming one.
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president's chief defenders. >> president trump raises his voigs and a ruckus. he knows that's what it takes to raise an army of patriots who love america and will protect her. >> reporter: and allies in congress. >> what we see in this impeachment is a kangaroo court and chairman schiff is acting like malicious captain kangaroo. >> reporter: on capitol hill he has created a reputation for a penchant for political stunts, focusing more on his political brand than passing legislation. >> we'll try to figure out what's going on. >> reporter: in 2019 leading a group of republicans to storm a closed door deposition that was happening during the impeachment proceedings. >> we're going to go and see if we can get inside. >> reporter: and causing a dust-up with this tweet about michael cohen, seemingly threatening the president's personal lawyer with the release of damaging information ahead of cohen's congressional testimony. after an uproar that he could have committed witness tampering, gaetz issued a rare
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apology. in march of last year, he wrote a gas mask while voting on the floor of the u.s. house. mocking concern that was rising over the spread of covid-19. and then days later, having to self-quarantine after having in contact with someone who had tested positive for the virus. this february, gaetz went to battle against a fellow republican, congresswoman liz cheney, traveling to her home state to lead a rally against her after she voted to impeach former president trump. >> i've been here for about an hour and i feel like i already know the place a lot better than your misguided representative, liz cheney. >> reporter: last year the congressman announced for the first time that he has a 19-year-old son. a cuban immigrant that he says he's been parenting for years as a single dad. >> i couldn't imagine loving him any more if we my own flesh and blood. i've raised him for the last six years and he is the most
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remarkable young man. >> reporter: and announced his engagement this past december after from posing to his 26-year-old girlfriend at mar-a-lago. and as he's fighting for his political life amid all these allegations, tomorrow will be such a huge moment for him. he is keeping a long standing speech at trump's golf property in miami. don? >> thank you so much. appreciate that. president biden revealing the steps he's taking to curb gun violence. he said it is not enough. two parents whose daughter died in the aurora movie theater shooting speaking out next.
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so president joe biden addressing the shootings and calling it the embarrassment to the nation.
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he says it is not all up to him. >> whether congress acts or not, i'll going to use all the resources at my disposal as president to keep america safe from gun violence. but there's much more that congress can do to help that effort. and they can do it right now. they've offered plenty of thoughts and prayers, members of congress. but they've passed not a single new federal law the reduce gun violence. enough prayers. time for some action. >> time for action. i want to bring in now sandy and lonnie phillip. the co-founders of survivors in power. their daughter sandy was killed in 2012 in the aurora theater shooting in colorado. i'm so happy to see both of you. thank you for joining. and let me say right up front. man, you guys are out there fighting every single day. and you've been fighting for years now. so thank you for what you're doing. i know that you were in touch
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with the white house, sandy, about wbiden's plan with weapon known as ghost guns which can be used with parts purchased online. you say it is a good start but there needs to be some legislation involved. >> absolutely. we know that executive actions only go so far. so we really need the american people to stand up. we know that they're on our side. the majority of gun owners are on our side. so if they're republican, they need to be pushing on their gop leaders, and if they're independents, they need to be pushing on both sides. and we know where the democrats stand on this, thankfully. so we've got some work to do. and you know, it would be nice if we didn't have the filibuster standing in the way. >> what do you think about that?
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joe manchin said that when it comes to, especially when it come to voting rights but also, it would be applicable to gun legislation as well. that he doesn't want to get rid of the filibuster. he thinks both sides need to work toward the middle. it is the fringe issue. i don't see gun rights as a fringe issue. >> it's not a fringe issue. joe manchin is a republican. he is not our friend right now. he is one senator that is keeping us and it looks like he will keep us from getting anything done. so it's like, it's all on him. and what is he doing? he's protecting himself. >> instead of protecting the public. >> sandy, i have to ask you. in the break we were chatting and you talked to me briefly about what you say to the
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quote/unquote new survivors, right? can you share some of that with our audience? the concept, new survivors is striking. because we know there are bound to be more. >> unfortunately, yes. in fact, we've already made contact with several of the survivors from the boulder shooting in colorado. and with what happened today, there is a lot of excitement and there should be. we have a president now who is finally standing up and saying what needs to be said and what needs to be done. that's wonderful news. at the same time, we've got a long way to go. so i always tell them to stay positive and don't let up. this is the time to push even harder. because there's so much that does need to be done and accomplished and really like today, when president biden talked about repealing, and if that was the only thing co-get done, that's what he would choose to get done and we are in
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full agreement with him. we'll do anything we can to get that one item absolutely rep repealed. that one law repealed. it will make a world of difference. >> go on. >> the things that he's already done under the pressure by the outgoing president, it's amazing. they talk about chewing gum and walking at the same time. he's been chewing gum and walking a tight rope, trying to get something done. he gives republicans every opportunity to do something. they won't budge an inch. we talked to ted cruz when jesse was killed. all i can think of is obstructionist. >> well, keep up the fight and we'll continue to have out to discuss this. let's see what happens now. we appreciate it. >> thank you, don. we appreciate it and thank you for the invitation. >> absolutely. nearly two weeks of emotional draining testimony in the trial of the police officer
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very powerful testimony in the derek chauvin trial today. a medical witness laying out exactly what happened to george floyd in devastating terms as he gasped for air in his final moments. george floyd's killing sparked a massive nationwide call for justice. so joining me now to discuss, the mother of eric garner. you remember he died after anment in officer used an
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illegal chokehold. she is also the author of this stops today. we are honored to have you here. good evening. thank you for joining. >> good evening. thank you for having me. i'm so elated that you would have me on your show. >> your son eric garner's killing sparked the first of the i can't breathe rallying cries for police reform and justice. what is it like to see another case george floyd, playing out in court? >> well, i tell you. it is like an echo. an echo from the grave. the george floyd case was so close in proximity to my son's case. they both said, i can't breathe. they both were put in chokeholds in different ways. and in both cases, the officer decided to take their life and wouldn't even give them the
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privilege of breathing. >> you warrant early on that the defense would try to assassinate george floyd's character, trying to blame his death on drugs. do you think we're going to see justice in this case? >> i'm really optimistic that we'll see justice. i'm going to put it in the atmosphere that there will be justice. i'm not putting any negative energy in the atmosphere. >> you're an optimistic person and i know you're looking at, you believe the country needs this, right? >> yes. the country does need a sigh of relief. there are so many cases where there is no justice served. there is no convictions. there is not even an inkling of accountability. so now with this case, america is on trial.
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it is not just the officer on trial. so we want to see if america comes to grips and admits that there is a problem. because before we can solve a problem, we have to admit that there is a problem. >> you know, you appear in this new cnn original series, the people, the klan, about a mother's call for justice after the death of her child. i want to play it. >> that morning one of my cousins called and that, they believe it is michael. it's him. that's all i could say. it's him. i was just numb. i couldn't believe this was happening to us. i looked outside my mom's door and it was people everywhere. i mean, everywhere. they had come from far and near.
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my sister cynthia hamilton, she went to identify the body with my husband. >> all he had done was left his mom's house that night to walk to the service station to buy a pack of cigarettes. not knowing what was waiting for him. i can only imagine what she went through. >> what connection do you see between michael's story and what happened to your son? >> well, i see several similarities. i see that that was a mother who had lost her son and was so hurt, as was with my son. but she was not willing to just let it be swept under the rug. because we can't let these things just be swept under the
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rug and do nothing about it. yes, a , we're going to grieve, we're going to cry, and we have to stand up. if we don't, if we don't stand up for our children, to one will. like her, she went against the biggest klan racist organization in the land. and ultimately, she won. and with me, i went up against the police department because they did not want to have a trial, and they didn't do any indictments and said they weren't going any further. i told them i was going further. did i get a departmental trial and i did get at least one officer fired, which i am after the other officers still as we speak. i have like a case going against them. so we as mothers, we will not stop. we will go the distance for our
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children no matter what it takes. we have to step out of the box sometimes. it doesn't matter. you took our child. what else can we do? so we are a light parallel but we are alike. >> i appreciate you coming on. i appreciate your passion. thank you so much. >> oh, thank you. >> so make sure you tune in. the new cnn original series, the people versus the klan. it premiers with back to back episodes sunday at 9:00 eastern on cnn. we'll be right back.
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as you all know, i have written a book that is just come out. it's called "this is the fire." it's based on my life experiences and how they relate to the world and my job i do as a journalist. well, my colleague and friend, cnn's brooke baldwin, has done the exact same thing. her new book is called "huddle." how women unlock their collective power. as you can hear, in the background, brooke joins me now. and you have seen us on the air together because we huddle for -- >> lot of times, with champagne. >> i know. breaking-news stories but we huddle on new year's eve, usually, and you see us. hi, my friend. how are you holding up? >> hello, my love. it is so nice to be on with you. >> it's so weird we're not in the same studio, right? >> but we are being covid safe, i get it. >> we are journalists. i want to talk to you about how
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your book relates to what happens -- what's happening, currently. and that you said, among the women who inspired you for this book, one of them was congresswoman lucy mcbath. t we covered so many shootings. another one, today. what are your thoughts? >> yes. every time for gun safety and specifically, moms who demand action, has done, simply, they are the largest grassroots organization in this country. and i first talked to she went to her facebook page, she was outraged as the rest of the world was and went to her 75-facebook followers and started this. and, along came lucy macbeth. it is so important, this whole notion of huddling. and so, essentially, lucy, now-congresswoman lucy mcbath went to shannon and said, hey, i really appreciate what you are doing with moms but you are really only focusing on the suburban-white schools.
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and, you know, gun violence touches everyone. it touches -- touched her son jordan who was playing his music too loud in the parking lot and he -- he lost his life for it. and so, as a result, these two women, who come from very different backgrounds came together, huddled. and now, look at what they are doing, especially given what continues to happen in this country with gun violence. they want change. they are demanding it. >> speaking of some -- people who want change. people who are -- i call them revolutionaries. really, fighting. stacey abrams, who also inspired you, in part, to write this book. she is part of your huddle now. when you look at what she's been able to accomplish with voting rights and -- and challenges ahead. when it comes to voting rights in this country. and, you know, people trying to suppress the vote. which suppresses the vote for poor people, people of color, and a lot of women, right? >> yep. >> so, a lot has been accomplished. and -- and has been driven by women. >> yes! >> and i think it's amazing that you highlight this. you spotlight all of these grgreat things. stacey abrams is helping to
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change the country. >> stacey abrams is a og huddler. back when she was in my hometown of atlanta, georgia, and she saw a group of -- she referred to them as secretaries with all this brilliant-legal knowledge that just weren't getting paid. she essentially said to the city, hey, we need to do something about this. and she huddled with these women to get them more training when she had access to power. and then, of course, they had -- they got higher salaries. cut to, she is the house-minority leader in georgia. and what do you have to do? you learn how to fund raise. and so, she has this, sort of, jedi-fundraising skill. and so, more recently, as we were all covering the election. and you see how women, and specifically, black women, really lshowed up to help flip georgia and then, of course, the senate runoffs in january. stacey shared all of her wealth with a lot of other women group, women of color, the narrative in our culture likes to pit ibm women against one another. but, no, we need to be like the stacey abrams of the world and we need to huddle.
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>> you are one of the bravest people i know because you are leaving a comfortable spot. people love you. and you are doing a brave thing, and you're going out to con ter t cop conquer the world and do different things. >> i hope i am going to conquer the world. keep telling me that. i love you, don lemon. and we got to keep our huddle al alive because i don't totally know what i am doing next. i just know i have been so emboldened by all these various women who i have had the privilege of interviewing just in my career at cnn and, of course, you know, in this book. and i cannot be the behravest, boldest version of myself. so i am off. i am doing my backflip off the high dive. i will be texting you every single new year's eve. or maybe, i will be, like, shri slinking in the background. we will have a little bit of fun, still. but you, know, i got to do this thing. i got to go. >> listen. you know when it's time, and -- and it's your time. and so, i am -- i am really in awe of what you are doing.
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the book. i am so proud of you. i hope -- i hope you do gang busters. i love you. congratulations. >> thank you, love you, don. >> go buy this book. it's called "huddle." how women unlock their collective power and it's by the brooke baldwin. >> thank you. >> thank you, babe. >> thank you and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage tcontinues. ear old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way at carvana.
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