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talked about fentanyl. >> right. >> was there anything else? >> yes. the other things -- there's two other things that are very important to the respiratory rate. you saw it with your own eyes, exactly his respiratory rate and the first thing is that if you have somebody who has underlying heart disease, and the heart disease is so severe that it's been said that it's causing shortness of breath, that it's causing you difficulty with breathing. if somebody has heart disease that's causing shortness of breath, virtually all of those parishes are going to have very high respiratory rates, they're going to have respiratory rates of over 30, even over 40 when you have heart disease that will give you shortness of breath. instead we find that his respiratory rate is normal at 22. the second thing that's important about the respiratory
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rate of 22 is, if you have somebody where the primary problem in the body is airway narrowing, where you have somebody where there is, that the airways are being compressed, that's narrowing in the neck or there's narrowing like in somebody in the chest, what the response -- the physiological response to airway narrowing is a normal respiratory rate. and that is what he has. so it's the respiratory rate that you see that's normal is the expected physiological response. in somebody who has airway narrowing. >> so, doctor, we've covered the mechanisms of how low oxygen occurs. as a clinician did you observe results of low oxygen in the video showing the last minutes of george floyd's life? >> yes. >> what did you observe?
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>> i mean, in terms of what we're seeing is the changes in his facial appearance, this becomes crucially important. again, in seeing the effects of the low oxygen. >> and have you seen this effect in other patients as a clinician? >> yes. because i work in an icu where 40% of our patients die. so i'm extremely familiar with seeing people who die unfortunately. and so when you see these changes, you see the changes in the face. that is the key way of noticing something happening is by looking at the effects on the face. >> doctor, i want to show you exhibit 15, already admitted into evidence, at 404. and i want to play a clip and
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have you tell us what it shows. >> at the beginning you can see he's conscious. you can see slight flickering. and then it disappears. so one second he's alive and one second he's no longer. >> could we just -- that went pretty fast. so the jurors can see it. >> what's the time? >> it is 20:24:53 in the composite. yeah, and the speed is slowed down by a third, just so we can
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see it. is that the flickering? >> you can see his eyes, he's conscious, and then you see that he isn't. that's the moment the life goes out of his body. >> i want to also show you a clip from another body worn camera, exhibit 43. and for mr. nelson, that's the kueng one. 20:22:22 is where it starts. i want to play this for you also, dr. tobin and tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what this informs us.
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>> so now he's rocking his right side. you can see how he's moving his hip to try and rock the right side of his body to try and get air. you can see him again pushing down on the street to get air in. and there is movements of his hip. you may miss, but he's having to use all his internal spine to just try and get air into that right side of the body. keep in mind the left side is nonfunctional from the way they have manipulated him and pushed him into the street so he's constantly, cranking up his right side of his body, you can see it right there to try and get some air into his right side of his chest. he's making repeated struggling movements. he's moving again the hips because he's using his spine to try and get them -- those muscles to move air into the
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right side of his chest. and he's again trying to use his right arm and he's unable because of the chain, the small chain linking it over to the left side. he's trying to have pushed down on that right arm into the street to try and help him but he's unable to do it because of the chain on the handcuffs. >> and at some point mr. floyd stops speaking and what does that tell us about his oxygen supply? >> that tells us at that point -- where he's not speaking, it tells us that the airway narrowing in his upper airways is more than 85% and then it's separate from the -- in terms of the oxygen level. that we're seeing by the face. but they're all happening together and so once -- once -- seeing how much narrowing there is in the airway but they're all coming in together. >> and then did the restraint stop at the time of the brain injury and the p.e.a.
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arrhythmia? >> yes. >> the restraint stopped at that time? >> no, the restraints continued after that -- he has the cessation of respiratory efforts. when you last take a breath the knee remains on the neck for another 3:27 after he takes his last breath. there's the knee remains. after there's no pulse, the knee remains on the neck for another 2:44 after the officers have found themselves, there's no pulse, the knee remains on the neck another 2:44. >> thank you, dr. tobin, no further questions. >> mr. nelson? >> side bar. so a short side bar here, we have been listening this morning to testimony from dr. martin
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tobin, a pulmonary expert, if you're just joining us, he has walked through with great detail this morning the last moments and the last breaths that george floyd took and how difficult it was for mr. floyd to take those breaths. with us, of course, cnn legal analyst laura coates and former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey. i want to hear what the judge has to say quickly. let's break at this time, we're going to take until 1:30. >> the judge announcing a lunch break there, to be expected. attorney for the prosecution, mr. blackwell, saying he had no further questions. i -- this is a moment i have to say, for anyone who is just joining us, if you see even a small moment of this testimony, the calm demeanor of this gentleman as he is presenting this evidence, laura, in many ways, almost makes it even harder to listen to.
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>> oh, this is incredibly compelling testimony. think about the way in which he's delivering the information, the tone that he has, the idea of how he's disinterested in the sense that although this is his expertise and this is his field. he's not a player, he has no agenda particularly in this particular ball game so to speak and so he's calm, he's volunteered his testimony, and what testimony it is. walking us through the last moments of desperation, the way in which a human being was reduced, trying to lift one's chest up just to respirate, using his knuckles, his finger, eventually his shoulder to no avail. talking about how he's desperate to do this. not just in the eyes of the laymen watching, watching the 9:29, but the eyes of the expert, why he wasn't able to breathe.
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wasn't just the knee to the neck or the knee to the back and side, it was also the idea of having him handcuffed, and in sandwiched against the sidewalk, and prone. i mean, this has been devastating testimony from a defense perspective. but it has been overwhelmingly tragic for everyone to hear about the final seconds of this man's life to know, as he said, there was not an ounce of oxygen left in his entire body, and still derek chauvin's knee remained on his neck for an additional 3:02. >> i just want to play some of these moments. so that people at home can hear exactly what you're referring to. if we could play 1, first of all, just this idea of how george floyd was trying to breathe, in any way possible. >> over on the right image you see his knuckle against the tire. and to most people this doesn't
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look terribly significant but to a physiologist this is extraordinarily significant because this tells you that he has used up his resources, and he's now literally trying to breathe with his fingers and knuckles because when you begin to breathe, you begin to breathe with your rib cage and your diaphragm. the next thing you recruit after that is your sternum mastoid muscle, the big muscle in your neck and then those are used up, you're trying to use these types of muscles to stabilize your whole right side. he's totally dependent on getting air into the right side. he's using his fingers and his knuckles against the street to try and crank up the right side of his chest. this is his only way to get air into the right lung. >> as he lays that out, you
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know, i heard you say earlier, his testimony could also be used in further training for officers to better understand the literal impact of what is happening in all of these moments. >> and i think that's incredibly important. we're watching this tragedy unfold to the point where you're actually now seeing the last flicker of life that george floyd had as you're watching, you know, the video. it is incredibly compelling. and the only word i can think of when i think about the testimony of tobin is masterful. i mean, it is just -- and i would also say the same thing for the prosecutor, the way in which he's walking him through his testimony, in a very deliberate fashion, to not confuse the jury, but to feed them the information they need at a pace where they cannot get
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overwhelmed by it. and i think that's very important as well. as far as looking at the video and what we've heard so far from the doctor, i mean, there are so many points there that could be used in training beyond just, you know, positional asphyxia, don't keep a person in this position for too long because, you know, they can't really breathe, get them up and so forth. why is that? what is it that's going on with that individual when you keep them in that position, when you apply pressure? laura and i spoke during one of the breaks, and she asked whether or not -- you know, about the whole handcuff manipulation part, that's pain compliance is what it is. problem is, you do that to try to get a person to comply but floyd couldn't have complied with he wanted to. you're sitting on him. how's he going to do anything? you can't. there's another cigment there i just noticed, i think it's 20:23:05 or something. anyway, and this is chauvin because he's got the gloves on.
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he's actually got his hands wrapped around his fingers and knuckles and again he's applying pressure. and anyone who's ever shaken hands with someone who is very strong, who has that real strong grip and you feel the pressure and the pain when your knuckles are pressed together, that's exactly what's going on. again, that's a pain compliance technique. we used to call it the come along a while back that if you've got a person you're trying to handcuff or trying to get them to walk with you, that is one way of applying pressure and pain in order to get him to comply. none of that was necessary. that added to the torture that the man was going through at the time. >> i mean, the torture is exactly what it is, as you listened to the way, again, that it is laid out, so methodically and literally second by second. from what we've seen this morning. what i found was interesting is just fa moments ago, toward the end of his testimony, and his questioning by the prosecution, what was brought up was whether, if there was fentanyl in his
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system, how that could impact his breathing and also his co 2 levels ultimately. and what the impact could have been there. i just want to play some of those moments. >> so we see here that he reaches a level of 0 of oxygen at 20:25:41. so at that point there's not an ounce of oxygen left in his body, in his entire body at 20:25:41. >> so was the knee then lifted off of his neck at the point there was no more oxygen in his body? >> no, the knee remained on the neck for another 3:02 after we reached the point where there was not an ounce of oxygen left in the body. one of the major changes you see in fentanyl is a slowing of the respiratory rate. so -- and again, we would be expecting a 40% reduction in the
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respiratory rate with fentanyl. the normal respiratory rate is 17 breaths per minute. plus or minus 5. so that would mean a normal respiratory rate of between 12 and 22. that's the normal range of respiratory rate. and so if it was with fentanyl. you'd be expecting a respiratory rate of 10. instead of that you counted here yourself, and you can see when you count it yourself that the respiratory rate is 22. so basically it tells you that is -- there isn't fentanyl on board. >> laura, on more than one occasion we heard him say, you can figure this out with precise science, he's pointing to that science there, he also pointed to the co 2 levels, noting he had taken his last breath, and it was nearly 10 minutes before they got a tube in, in the back of the ambulance to try to get more oxygen in, if you add those numbers up, based on what would happen to your body without breathing for 9:50, you would
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get that exact co 2 rate. this goes to the heart of some of what the defense is trying to say may have been the real contributing factor to george floyd's death. laura? >> i mean, this pulmonologist is a textbook author but he just -- the idea of the prosecution having to anticipate and resolve even before the defense is able to raise the issue about this and other aspects, this was a preemptive strike to say whatever you think you're going to hear on cross or any statements that may be made from their own experts look how compelling this testimony has been to have the jurors understand this with such precision that they are now better informed and guarded against being influenced. i mean, he talks about -- just as you think it can't get worse, this trial began, erica, with the entire world believing that the rallying cry of 8:46 was bad enough. then we learn it's 9:29.
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then we learn through the course of the trial they're talking about a brain injury after five minutes, somebody who's lost every ounce of oxygen out of their body and still the knee stays on the neck. all of these things, the frame by frame, down to the moment of his eye expression when life leaves his body and he is no longer conscious. i mean, the jurors are having to absorb every detail and it just gets worse. it should not shock anyone that the defense has essentially raised more objections during this testimony or asked for more side bars than we've seen in recent testimony and they were saved by the bell of a lunch break. they're trying to figure out, how do we undermine this testimony? of somebody who doesn't seem to be trying to predict a verdict, or put his thumb on the scale, but instead is trying to demonstrate how with scientific seniority
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certainty he was able to undermine any discussion about heart disease. he was asked about the underlying conditions, he says even a healthy person subjected to what george floyd was subjected to would have died. where do you come back from that as a defense? they're probably right now trying to figure that out. >> we were earlier an he was explaining things for people who weren't with us, we couldn't see the jury at that point, he was encouraging members to put their hands on their neck. where the pressure might be coming from, what would be happening to george floyd this that moment. that was a concern raised by the defense. the judge said, listen, you don't have to do this to the jurors, what we know from the poll reporters inside is that many of the jurors, even after that direction from the judge continued to touch their own neck, their own body part to try to better understand what this witness was saying and we're also told from full reports that there was -- they've been very attentive throughout the morning. taking a lot of notes. one other thing that struck me is we've heard, if you can
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speak, you can breathe. mr. ramsey, in response to george floyd saying i can't breathe and the defense has said, if he can say he can't breathe. he actually can breathe. dr. tobin addressed that, too, saying, this gives you a false sense of security, if you can speak, you can breathe, is not correct, we learned. >> yeah, you know, i've not seen that as an official part of training, but it certainly is a myth that exists, and as he said, you know, there's some truth to it but it doesn't mean you can breathe five seconds later. it gives you a false sense of security that the person is okay, they're not okay. and so, you know, this is testimony that cannot be forgotten, and a jury will not be able to forget this testimony. it is just that powerful. and i think, you know, i know they're on a lunch break but i think they -- i think the defense just got handed their lunch because when you think
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about the power of this testimony and the way in which they actually dealt with all those issues that they know are going to come, you know, fentanyl, bad heart, all that sort of thing, if it was not for the actions of derek chauvin and the other officers, he would not have died on may 25th at that time because it's a substantial part of his cause of death. that's all you have to prove. he's got all these other things going on but how can you possibly deny this didn't play a role? that's all you have to do is prove that and i think they just did. >> dr. tobin said four reasons that led to the low level of oxygen. the handcuffs and the position on the street, acted as a vice. chauvin's knee on the his neck, the prone position, and the right knee on his back or his side.
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the weight, too, is something that dr. tobin got into. i want to play a bit of this. i think this may be 2. >> what you're seeing is the orientation of officer chauvin. his body build is quite erect. but in particular the toe of his boot is no longer touching the ground. this means that all of his body weight is being directed down at mr. floyd's neck. because in many of the calculations i excluded the effect of his leg and his shoe because some of it was touching the ground but here you can see none of it is touching the ground. we're taking half his body weight, plus the weight of his -- half the gear and all of that is coming directly down on mr. floyd's neck.
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>> and the amount of weight, laura, that's coming directly down we learned yesterday there was 30 to 40 pounds of equipment on officer chauvin. so we're talking about probably 90 pounds coming down on george floyd's neck at that point, laura. >> i mean, that number, it's all in the numbers here. 8:46. 9:29. 91 pounds of weight. brain injury after five minutes. the idea of all the oxygen leaving the body and three minutes still remained for this person to have the knee removed and only when the emts request that to happen, i mean, these numbers here are so powerful. and i know we talk a lot about statistics, i'm sure, in everyone's life but certain numbers tell a story, even better than others. this is probably the first day that i'm sure the defense is asking for themselves, can we just play the video through the eyes of the laymen? when you now have to guard against viewing this video through all the different vantage points, not of a cell
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phone video, not through the testimony of a 911 dispatcher, but instead through the eyes of an expert who has trained, who is an expert in all things related to the respiratory system, to view it through his eyes he's adding additional layers, the manipulation of handcuffs, the idea of his body being trapped between virtually the rock and the hard place, the handcuffs and hard pavement, the discussion about his underlying health, it's truly damning to think about this but there's one point mr. ramsey spoke about, the idea if you're breathing, you can talk, you can still breathe. i'm wondering if now the straw that the defense will have to grasp at will be this idea of, well, hold on, he believed that, derek chauvin believed. so perhaps he was just misinformed. he's not a murderer under the charges, he's a misinformed police officer who thought that perhaps the suspect was lying or that there was a use of force he had to use, or now maybe that if he was breathing he's not a pull
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monologist. i can see them going that direction but again you still have the idea of the crowd who was shouting, just check his pulse. just do something. and so even the common sense sort of defense that he might have, those knee jerk recollections of the defense, it can't undermine what has been done in the video. >> well, to your point, laura, we've heard that over the last couple of days the defense say you can't necessarily trust what a suspect is saying in this moment. >> yeah. >> but boy, there is a whole lot of science that we can look at today. laura coates, charles ramsey, as always, appreciate your insight and your expertise. stay with us. we'll be resuming coverage of the trial obviously in a bit but i want to get you updated on the breaking news out of florida, joel greenberg, a key figure in the investigation surrounding congressman matt gaetz is likely to strike a plea deal with federal prosecutors. what more do we know about this?
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>> erica, this is bad news for congressman matt gaetz and his ongoing sex crimes investigation. as you just noted in court just moments ago the justice department and defense attorneys for one of gaetz's closest friends and political allies signalled that close friend joel greenberg is likely to strike a plea deal to resolve the dozens of federal criminal counts he is currently facing, significant for congressman gaetz meaning his friend and ally will have to present any evidence of criminal wrongdoing he's aware of against his friend. it was interesting the government said they thought this could all be resolved in a month but the defense attorney for mr. greenberg said, nope, not so fast. and both sides, erica, acknowledged it's possible they may not be able to come to a plea deal. it's possible they won't be able to come to any kind of agreement but right now congressman gaetz is likely concerned, one of his closest friends and allies will now likely have to cooperate with the government and it's
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interesting, the investigation into congressman gaetz actually began with a larger sex trafficking investigation, where his close ally joel greenberg has been implicated and he's facing dozens of criminal counts so a lot of incentive to provide anything he knows to the justice department. >> paula, stay with me. i want to bring back in laura coates. i know you were just hearing, and getting some of these developments as well. as paula laid out, this may not happen, but the fact that this is being considered, this is being discussed, this is a big moment here. >> it's a huge moment, the idea of federal investigations, part of what happens is that you're trying to get your bearings as the investigator, as the prosecution. you're seeing what allies you may have. how you're going to get testimony and evidence in. the second you're able to identify that cooperator, you're able to apply pressure in order to have them have reduced charges they must plead to, but there is always a hook. and the hook is, you scratch our
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back, we'll scratch yours, the scratching the back here seems to be providing information about the colleague congressman matt gaetz. and so the idea of us now learning about this, demonstrates that the cooperation may be an issue here, what type of evidence, to what extent he'll provide it, the timeliness of that provision of evidence is always going to be part of it, but remember, the plea is separate often times from the sentencing which means that a cooperator may still have a prolonged period of time under which they are required to still cooperate with the prosecution. they may be able to move the needle but remember cases involving, say, michael flynn, you know, the infamous elon gated period of time when he was a cooperated with the government, the time in which, of course, he was to be sentenced, et cetera, they oftentimes will use that window, in order to get all the information they can, so taking a plea, deciding to change one's plea, until sentencing happens,
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that person might be on the hook, and the net might be cast even wider. >> wow, what a day, laura, always happy when you're here to help us walk through all of this. stay with us, everyone, we're going to get you caught up on a few other headlines we're following today, and get you back to the courtroom as well when testimony resumes. a short time ago president biden signing a series of orders aimed at reducing gun violence in america. this as critics say the efforts fall short of candidate biden's promises, back on the campaign trail. plus, millions of americans are now vaccinated, and many covid long-haulers say the vaccines are finally starting to relieve symptoms that some worried may never go away.
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the good news, the pace of vaccinations continues to increase. at this point nearly 20% of the population is now fully vaccinated. but that's not the only important increase we are following at this point. spread among younger people in the u.s. is helping to drive this plateau that we're at, roughly 60,000 new cases every day, a majority of them coming in the midwest and the northeast. so states that you see in orange and deep red, states like minnesota, michigan, new york, and new jersey, and that's all part of the national total, the number that dr. fauci is calling disturbingly high. >> now it's plateaued at a disturbingly high level, the last count yesterday was 63,000 cases in a single day. when you're at that level there is a risk of getting a surge back up. the way we're looking at it now, it's almost a race between
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getting people vaccinating and this surge that seems to want to increase. >> and part of the concern with that surge, we're also seeing an increase in hospitalizations. while new cases are being added every day, there are still people in this country who are living with long-term covid symptoms, weeks, even months after having the virus. now, though, some of those long-haulers are seeing big improvements after they get vaccinated. senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is with us now. this is fascinating to me, elizabeth. >> erica, it is so interesting and even experts i've talked to were so surprised by this, that people who were getting -- long-haul covid survivors getting vaccinated, many of them, not all of them, but many of them, the study shows like 30% to 40% of them started to feel better, long-haulers like jessica smites, had covid a year ago, hospitalized, felt terrible for months, weak and achy and
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all sorts of symptoms. let's take a listen to what happened after she got her second shot. >> when i got the second vaccine, within a matter of days i really did feel at least within shouting distance of who i used to be. and it was so clear and my bottom was really shouting with joy and relief. >> now, there are two possible reasons why the vaccine might be helping people like jessamyn. she might have reservoirs in her still months later. the other is that her immune system may be having a wacky, for want of a better term, the wacky response to covid and the vaccine helped with that. erica? >> it's amazing how much we're still learning, how much we've learned in a year but how much we still have to learn.
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elizabeth, thank you. astrazeneca's vaccine facing further setbacks in europe, the uk saying it's now going to offer other shots to people under 30 years old. yesterday the uk's advisors recommending that if those under 30 could get a different shot, they should. regulators in the eu say there could be a link between the vaccine and rare blood clots, so what does that mean for the vaccine distribution in europe? selma abdel aziz is following this for us in london. the eu says the benefits in their view outweigh the risks but they're pointing these out, i would imagine that's a major concern in terms of vaccine hesitancy? >> reporter: absolutely. today british health officials are trying to reassure the public, they're saying this is a good thing they were able to identify these very rare cases, 4 out of a million. that's how likely it is the rare blood clots the occur. they're saying this shows the regulatory bodies are
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functioning and doing their jobs. but this is, of course, causing confusion, concern and most of all global repercussions. multiple countries are taking steps to limit vaccines in certain age groups. i'll run through a few major steps. australia will have to recalibrate their vaccination program to only give vaccine to hose over 50 years old. spain as well piflvoting their strategy to give the vaccine to those over 60 years old. italy providing a preferential route to those over 60. these are a few countries taking steps. this vaccine supply is crucial. millions of doses have already been given out here in the uk. across the eu. there's already issues with the vaccine rollout, and how quickly people are being immunized. as vaccine hesitancy go up, as concerns go up and you see all
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of this mixed messaging, what that could mean is the pandemic gets prolonged here, erica? >> the last thing anyone wants to see. what are we hearing from astrazeneca about this? >> that's a very good question. what they will say to you is this is extremely, extremely, extremely rare, erica. begin, out of 20 million, more than 20 million who got this vaccine only 79 exhibited these symptoms. they feel like it's a drop in the bucket. this under 30 guidance, that is out of an abundance of caution. they are still saying the vaccine is safe but what they are doing here is they're doing math. they're calculating. they're calculating the risk versus benefit ratio, how likely is it as a young person to get covid-19, to end up in hospital, versus how likely it is to get that blood clot. when you do that math for someone age 30 as an adult the math says the clotting is a bigger risk. that's why they are doing this preferential treatment. if you're under 30, take a
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different vaccine. but every country doing their own math right now. figuring it out and building the charts. it looks like mixed messaging and it does cause concern. >> concern and confusion as you point out so well, selma, thank you. just a programming note for you as we look at what's happening here in the u.s., senator joe manchin certainly getting a lot of attention these days. he's become one of the most powerful men in washington, especially after a new op-ed from the filibuster to infrastructure, just how could he impact the biden agenda? well, why don't you tune into the situation room at 5:00 p.m., and hear what he says when wolf asks him directly. that's ahead at 5:00 p.m. eastern. still to come this hour, more on the breaking news, joel greenberg's attorney says he is likely to strike a plea deal with prosecutors in the investigation of congressman matt gaetz. what does it mean for the embattled florida congressman? that's next. lergies don't have e scary. spraying flonase daily stops
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more on the breaking news out of florida, the attorney for joel greenberg, a key figure if the investigation rounding congressman matt gaetz says his client is likely to strike a
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plea deal with prosecutors. evan perez is joining me right now. what more do we know about this possible plea deal? >> well, erica, the attorney says that they're hoping to strike this plea deal in the next month by may 15th, if not, joel greenberg is going to go on trial and he's facing several charges that which include harassing a political opponent, sex trafficking, fake -- making fake ids, there's a lot of allegations that he faces. but really, one of the most interesting things about the development today is what potentially he can tell investigations about matt gaetz and about other political figures in florida. we know, according to our own reporting, that investigators are pursuing this -- the theory that matt gaetz, the congressman, was essentially the beneficiary of women, sex with women, and travel and other benefits in exchange for doing
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legislative or political favors for a number of people, and greenberg is one of the people that he is associated with. and this is a sprawling investigation, we're told, and so now the question is, what does greenberg know? what can he point to and provide to the prosecutors that will help them in their case against matt gaetz, and against others, again this is a huge development, the idea that this man, who was very, very close to gaetz, we have pictures of him standing in front of the white house, the two men together, their political associates and friends, and he was, allegedly, involved in a lot of these parties, events where allegedly women were being paid for sex with the congressman and as well as other men. i should note that gaetz' spokesman said not only did he not pay for sex, he also did not have sex with a 17-year-old,
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which is one of the allegations that prosecutors are looking into. erica? >> it is -- i mean, every time there's a -- it's quite an onion. i'll leave it at that. every time we learn more. we'll look for moredevelopments president biden signing a series of orders aimed at reducing gun violence in america. critics say the efforts fall short of candidate biden's promises. we'll take a closer look. electrify you. they grow from our imagination, but they can't be held back. they want to be set free. to make the world more responsible, and even more incredible. ideas start the future, just like that. you need a financial plan that can help grow and protect your money. an annuity can help cover essential expenses in retirement.
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horrific scene in south carolina today, a gunman opening fire at a home in york county, leaving five dead, including two children. officials say the suspect died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after a standoff with police. this is just the latest in a string of dozens of mass shootings across the country in recent weeks with new gun control legislation once again stuck in the senate, president biden today announcing a series of executive actions. >> today, we're taking steps to confront not just the gun crisis but what is actually a public health crisis. nothing -- nothing i'm about to recommend in any way impinges on the second amendment. they're phony arguments
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suggesting that these are second amend rights at stake for what we're talking about. this is an epidemic, for god's sake. and it has to stop. >> cnn's phil mattingly joining us live from the white house. phil, walk us through what we heard from president biden today and what's really in these executive orders. >> reporter: yeah, these are the first union llateral actions th president has taken, something he promised to do on day one, an extensive list that the white house wanted to pursue. it's been spurred on by shootings that we saw in atlanta and boulder and the president referencing what happened last night in south carolina. there are a series of executive actions, most of which will be coming out of the justice department. one t justice department will be working through a rule to stop the proliferation of so-called ghost guns. these are guns that come in parts, in kits, that can be put together and don't have a serial number. the justice department working on a rule regarding those ghost guns also stabilizing braces, braces that can be utilized to
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kind of add stabilization and better aim pistols, something that we saw or allegedly saw in the boulder, colorado, shooting as well. justice department working on a rule there. also directing more funds to areas prone to violence. this is something the president has the unilateral authority to do. he's asking agencies to do that, asking the justice department to draft a model red flag law. we've seen these in several states around the country. these won't actually implement this law but the justice department wants to put something on the table that states can use as a reference point if they want to pursue laws like this. one other key element is that he announced he's going to anon nominate an atf director, long-time gun control advocate. the atf hasn't had a permanent director for several years, six years, in fact, it's always a tough sell to get an atf director through congress. the president making very clear personnel is policy. this is somebody he wants atop the agency and with democrated in the majority, he believes he has a good shot. >> i want to ask you about this
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op-ed from joe manchin. so much in the senate, gun control, infrastructure, could hinge on his support. he's said once again this time in writing, though, he is not for making changes to the filibuster. really getting a lot of traction in terms of his comments today. what are we hearing from the white house? >> so, the white house isn't necessarily super concerned. i guess that would be the best way -- not smoothest way to frame how they're feeling about this but they also recognize, obviously, joe manchin is kind of the most powerful man in washington right now. his position on the filibuster was not a shift. the thing that raised red flags for some democrats i've been speaking to is his position on budget reconciliation and while not to wander us down the procedural rabbit hole, that's what democrats can use to pass the president's action with a simple majority. if joe manchin is not on board with that, they need ten republicans to skbrojoin the president. right now, no republicans support where they are. i think the reality is this. the white house knows this is going to be a lengthy process.
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they have been in regular contact with senator manchin. >> absolutely, and as he said in that op-ed, this is hard work and he wants to see the hard work done. he wants both parties coming to the table. we'll see if he can bring some republicans with him to the table. interesting to see where those conversations go. phil, appreciate it as always. we are just about 30 minutes away at this point from court resuming in the derek chauvin trial. it has been quite a morning. critical testimony today from an expert, a doctor, a pulmonary expert, about george floyd's last breaths, lathiterally the t moments of his life. he even walked us through the last flicker of life that he saw in george floyd's face. our special live coverage continues with brooke baldwin next. s, prevents crab grass and feeds your lawn. all three,in just one bag. i like that. scotts turf builder triple action.
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