tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN April 7, 2021 1:00pm-2:00pm PDT
i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. welcome to "the lead." we start today with our national lead. the trial of former minneapolis police officers derek chauvin, which that intently focused on the use of force by officer chauvin. this afternoon we heard from the special agency who investigated chauvin's actions and as the person who handled much of the evidence in the case, james reyerson confirmed exactly how long officers stayed on george floyd and how long chauvin's knee was on george floyd's desk. and weland to an expert witness hiredly the prosecution. he testified that the amount of force devin chauvin used against floyd was, in his pin his
opinion, was excessive, but also said some of the his actions were reasonable as omar jimenez records. >> sergeant, just a reminder, you are stilled under oath. >> yes, sir. >> reporter: today's testimony, more cops taking the stand. >> in your opinion, does the defendant's used force need to be reasonable during the entire tame tao time pared? >> sergeant jody steiger, who defend that the force derek chauvin used was -- >> he was not attempting to assault the officers, kick, punch or anything of that nature. >> reporter: but chauvin's attorney during cross-examination focused on what could have happened,
specifically one of their argument that the crowd was becoming -- >> it's a possible that an officer can view that as a potential deadly assault is about to happen? that's what they're trained? >> yes, that's what they're trained. >> reporter: but during prosecutor questioning -- >> i did not perceive them as being a threat. >> why is that? >> because they were merely filming and they were -- most of it was their concern for mr. floyd. >> reporter: the defense also mover to show there were points when chauvin's knee may not have been on the neck, but some portions of the shoulders. the prosecution called that irrelevant. >> is the risk to the pressure off neck or the body? >> the pressure on the body, any additional pressure on the body complicates breathing more so than if there was no pressure at all. >> reporter: testimony is onagain, special agent mckenzie
anderson is kindly on the stand. before that we heard from james reyerson, with a key exchange. the defense played a portion of a body camera video, and they asked that special agent whether it appeared george floyd said, i took too many drugs, to which he initially said yes, that's what i heard. there was a brief break, they came back, prosecutors then played more context from that video, basically started 2 a bit earlier, and now the special agent says, he says he heard i ain't do no drugs. the reason that exchange is sew crucial, especially to the defense, is because that goes back to their central argue. they are article majority floint ace primary cause of death was not from the need to the deck, but an overdose tied to it from methamphetamine and fentanyl
combined with his medical history. when that sergeant was on the stand, the defense played that exact same exchange and the sergeant wouldn't even confirm what was said, saying i can't make out what's being said. as having seen it myself, i will say it's difficult to hear what's being said in that moment, james. >> omar jimenez, thank you. let's discuss this. jennifer, i want to start with you, to get your reaction. the police investigator first said after rewatching the video, he said i ate too many drugs. the prosecution played a longer part of the video,ened the witness now says that george floyd said, quote, i ain't do no drugs. what is the strategy here? >> what happened is the defense lawyer actually got the witness to say that by saying, did he say i ate too many drugs? the witness agreed.
the prosecutors this to go back and clean it up, and saying no, that's not what he said. what the defense is trying to do is plant the seed that the main causation was not asphyxiation, but the drugs. if you have the defendant saying i ate too many drugs, that feeds into the narrative they're trying to lay here. it is what it is. the jury heard both of those things. ultimately it will be what the jury heard, and if it's questioned -- >> i've never heard anyone say i ate too many drugs in my life. that's not a common expression. the police sergeant who testified as an expert witness said that derek chauvin used deadly force, petsch. he also testified that some of the reactions were reasonable, including some force when mr. floyd was initially resisting.
you're a certified witness on the use of force as well. what do you think? >> well, sergeant steiger was right, but for a very brief moment was chauvin justified, and that's when they pulled him out of the car. he went in one side of the car, you know, basically saying and making the case he has an issue with claus roe fob i don't. he was still somewhat upset. they placed him on a prone position handcuffed. for that immediate moment, yes, they may have been justified in using some force to get him into the prone position, but once that was done, but he's handcuffed. now, as the other officer asked chauvin to do, place mr. floyd on his side in a recovery position, that's when chauvin denied to do. that's what he should have done. he went beyond that moment where he was justified in using some
force. he went well beyond that to the point of this force becoming excessive, to the point where mr. floyd became unconscious, and then minute after minute after minute failing to render aid, failing to listen to the officer, failing to listen to the people on thesidewalk, plea for them to check. >> one of the points trying to be made boo, even if hatened ha handcuffed, he could have been a serious threat. >> a person who is in handcuffs can continue to be a threat. agreed? >> yes. >> they can kick you. >> correct. >> they can bite you. >> correct. >> they can thrash and get free and start running, right? >> in certain instances, yes. >> in certain instances, they can even get your weapon, right? >> yes. >> i get that's theoretical, but
we have the video, and george floyd doesn't kick, doesn't fight, doesn't fight back for the nine minutes that chauvin was kneeling on his neck, but the defense, i guess, is basing the argument that officer chauvin could have had a reasonable fear that george floyd could have done that, and obviously they need to convince one juror that that was a reasonable fear. this's gould back to the need all 12 jurors need to agree. so they usually take what's kind of a scatter shot take, which is poke holes as much as you can all over the place. whatever is something you can poke at and say this is a doubt, this is a doubt, that's what they'll do. is it reasonable that they have might have feared the crowd? is it reasonable he might have had fear there was a large man
there? they're just throwing it all out there, hoping that something will stick with at least one juror, and we'll continue to see that when we get to the key thing, which is causation, of course. >> i want to get your take on this awful but lawful argument. take a listen. >> do you participate in a present a training like awful but lawful? >> yes so times the use of force looks really bad, right? >> yes. >> and sometimes it may be caught on video, and it looks back, right? >> yes. >> but it's still lawful? >> yes. >> you're a former officer, what do you think about that argument? >> well, i'm familiar with the term, but here's the point.
though it may be lawful and appears awful, the key is reasonable. you've heard a lot of the -- graham versus connor, which is about reasonable force by police officers. you heard that term used a lot today. the point here is that term or that case law is about officers making split-second decisions about using force. you know, in line with what they knew at the time, what's available to them at the time, split-second decision. he had minutes. chauvin had minutes to make decision to assess, to rye 'says, to adjust, to provide medical attention to mr. floyd. that's not so -- you know, it wasn't the case. awful, lawful, but it has to be reasonable. i think that i have no doubt that the prosecution and those experts are making the case that chauvin used unreasonable excessive force in this case. it's clear to me, and i think it will be clear to the jurors.
>> we've had heard from our teams on the ground that jurors became very interested and started taking notes when the use of force expert was asked about the crowd that was around chauvin. the defense is clearly trying to say the officer was distracted, perhaps even felt threatened by the crowd, but we have seen video and photographs of the crowd. how likely will a defense be able to sway the jury on this topic, when we see on video this crowd did not appear to be threatening or hostile at all. >> often sometimes the jury perk up when the participants perk up. the fact that we saw more cross-examination today, i think probably got them sled, more involved. ultimately i agree that the videotape is so clear and so strong the jury is almost certain to find the force was unreasonable. but you know, it's also heard to read them. they're usually pretty
stone-faced, but taking notes at least is a good indication that they're paying attention. thanks to both of you. we really appreciate it. the white house now walking back a bold prediction about a vaccine milestone. the mississippi secretary of state saying out loud the real reason why lots of republicans don't want to expand voting action. stay with us. truthfully, it's frustrating to see how fast dust reappears. but dusting with a cloth is a pain. and dealing with a bulky vacuum.. . is such a hassle. uchhh!!! so now we use our swiffer sweeper and dusters. the fluffy fibers? they pick up dust easily. grabbing it in all those hard-to-reach places. gotcha!!!
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from two weeks ago. dr. anthony fauci is still warning it's premature to declare mission accomplished. >> reporter: that more contagious coronavirus variant first found in the uk not dominates here in the u.s. >> it is the most common l lineage, period. >> reporter: just five states account for 43% of all new cases. this past week, but the nation's daily death toll is still falling. why? the cdc says that's down to vaccinations, particularly among the elderly. last night a pooled prediction from the white house on the vax front. >> by the weekend half the adults in the country loved their first shot. >> reporter: overoptimistic? yeah, it was. >> sometime this month we'll get
to about half. >> reporter: some like new york may vaccinate all willing adults by june. some other states, like georgia, it might be the end of the year. >> we aren't at the finish line. >> reporter: where is that? >> it will be obvious as the numbers come down. it's on the way, hang in there. >> i will be going to karaoke as often and as much as i can. >> reporter: this 95-year-old veteran covid survivor and bon jovi fan is ready. >> what is that one about the cowboy and a motorcycle? wanted dead or alive, yeah. >> there you go. >> reporter: so i've been pretty quick during this pandemic to unfavorably compare the u.s. to other countries. right now we are doing relatively well. it's only fair to point that out. looking around the globe,
brazil, turkey just logged their deadliest days. india logged the most cases in a day. the european union just missed a key vaccination target, so the u.s. is doing pretty well. >> especially with vaccines. thank you, nick watt. sanjay, so the uk variant, more transmissible and now officially the most dominant strain in the united states. it's obviously not good news. what does it mean? >> well, first of all, we probably have known it was the most dominant for some time. there was a lag pertain. it's been out there for a while. we know in certain states it's quite dominant. we're talking about florida, georgia and michigan. we know in michigan,ist it's probably a big part of the reason why the numbers have gone
up there. things you could get away with before, jake, you can't get away with a variant like this. it's just not as forgiving. but, and i think this is an important but, the people previously infected as well as vaccinated, do seem to be protected. therein lies the race. >> it's exciting to hear the white house project that half of all u.s. adults will have at least one dose in arm by the next few weeks, but obviously we need to keep underlining we're not nearly out of the woods yet. in fact, cases are about what they were last summer. >> yeah, if you look at these trends -- you can follow this, we're getting a longer view of how this year has progressed. you're right, cases are going up. typically what we have seen a few weeks after that, hospitalizations would go after, and a few weeks after that, sadly, the deaths would go up.
you'll almost see a backwards impact the more we vaccinate. cases around 65,000, that's somewhat flat compared to last week. hospitalizations up a bit, 2% up, 40,000 people in the hospital, but deaths are down 21% from last week, jake. we'll see if that continues, but that's obviously an important data point. >> that's because so many people 65 and older are vaccinated. those are the ones more prone to die from the virus. president biden moved the deadline up for all american adults to be eligible for a vaccine to april 19th. it's promising news, but as we know very well in washington, d.c. eligibility is not getting a vaccine in your arm, it's not being able to get a vaccine appointment. how do we fix this? >> that's the challenge. i mean, the two challenges are exactly the procedural aspects
of this, reaching communities that have been hard to reach and people signing up to get their vaccine, and then vaccine hesitancy, but different places are going to be stymied for different reasons. let me show you quickly. i don't know if we have new york and north dakota, we can show you how things are progressing there. new york's vaccinating quickly. they have really low vaccine hesitancy. north dakota going much slower, but higher hesitancy. they will probably gel ate eligible adults vaccinated around the same time, but for very different reasons. the point is we're looking at these numbers broadly, but these communities will have to address specific concerns, depending on what's happening in your local community. >> a study found that one third of covid-19 patients experienced
psychological or neurological diagnoses within six months of being infected. what does that mean? what kinds of diagnoses does this include? >> this is a confluence of mire world it is. it's very interesting. the more common diagnoses were things like anxiety. about a third of people have these long-term symptoms, 17% anxiety. mood disorders made up another 14%. much more -- much less common were things like ischemic stroke, but it did occur. dementia, things like that. we see this with other respiratory viruses, even after flew, people may have a more temporary impact on, you know, their mood, 9 amount of fatigue, headaches, things like that. what we're seeing here seems to last longer and be more severe. we're just learning about this. we're essentially defining new diseases over and over again,
and this post-covid fog is another one. >> doctor, thanks. good to see you. former president trump is not responding to new reports about congressman matt gaetz asking preemptively for a pardon. that's next. today let's paint with behr ultra scuff defense... so that you can live that scuff-free life. honey, i'm home! honey! scuff defense. i love our scuff-free life. behr ultra scuff defense. exclusively at the home depot.
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that congressman matt gaetz privately asked people at the white house for a preemptive pardon from the trump administration. the pursuit of that pardon through aides came as the justice department was beginning an investigation into whether the congressman had a sexual relationship with a minor, a 17-year-old girl. gaetz has denied the allegations. today former president president trump released a same, quote -- it must also be remember that he totally has denied. the recording was that he asked aides. we should note that there were questions and requests to the white house, not temp himself. let's discuss.
gloria, you would think you wouldn't need a preemptive pardon if you hadn't done anything wrong. >> wouldn't you? >> that's exactly what the white house counsel's office thought about preemptive pardons in general. we also know that the president was worried about how preemptive pardons would look for his family, for example. that was a concern. it seems clear coming out of all this reporting is while gaetz may have mentioned it, perhaps it never rose to the level of even getting to the president of the united states, because it was dismissed by people inside the white house who were suspicious of gaetz, never really liked him, understood he was using donald trump to try to get ahead politically, so they kind of tossed it aside. and it's not been -- there's also a excerpt of the pending
book from john boehner in which he writes -- trump incited that bloody insurrection for nothing more than selfish reasons perpetuated by the -- from the previous election. it seems like a rather factual, if cloverful statement. boehner, according to the times, says the republican party has been taken over by wack jobs. do you think this will have any effect by the republicans still in office? >> i think this is an extremely candid view it's unclear how much influence speaker boehner has on the republican party, as he acknowledges on his own. one think i thought was interesting is not only does he obviously blame president trump, but talks about the party more
broadly. he says it should have been a wake-up calm. he's not just talking about ted cruz. we know his feelings about ted crew, but the republican leadership more broadly here. >> gloria, there's recent comments from michael watson, this is the guy in charges of elections in mississippi. he talked to wlox about the idea of automatic voter registration, and why he opposes it. take a listen. >> think about all these woke college university students who would automatically be registered to vote. it's forced on them. >> they doesn't want woke, quote/unquote, uninformed voters, legal voters to vote. >> if you play that out, it's because he thinking perhaps they
wouldn't vote for him or some like them. you know this notion, what is woke? what is he trying to say there? is that liberate? is that people not like me? he says quite out loud here, no, we want the people to vote who will vote for us. it's quite remarkable that he just came out and said it. this isn't just a fringe republican, this is the secretary of state of mississippi. he's in charge of elections in mississippi. >> yes, he is. this is somebody's who's in charge, unless the laws in mississippi change, but he's sort much raffensperger, if you will, and it matters how you count votes. you need to encourage people to
vote, not to discourage them. >> and they're pushing the definition of infrastructure. today democratic senator kiersten jill brand tweeted, paid leave is infrastructure, child care is infrastructure, caregiving is infrastructure, to which ryan costello said, gillibrand is doing the republican messaging on infrastructure. i understand the idea, but they're trying to pass an infrastructure bill. what do you make of the politics of all of this? >> right. we saw the president today actually defend this more expansive view of infrastructure in his remarks today. he basically said that the definition has -- of infrastructure has always evolved. he said it's not only about meeting the current needs in terms of the more -- but looking beyond that to future.
the way the democrats have really messaging on this is bringing up competitiveness. we have heard the presidents say this repeatedly, bring up china. today he framed this bill as sort of a test of democracy, talking about, you know, whether the u.s. can keep up with more autocratic countries like china. >> when you first talking about infrastructure, you weren't talking about sending broadband to rural communities, because there wasn't any. now there is. so the definitions in this world have to evolve as the situation on the ground evolves. i think that's what the president was trying to say today. >> thanks to both of you. we now know the likely cause of tiger woods' or risks car crash. the key piece of evidence that the police did not collect? what is it? that's next.
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our politics lead now. this afternoon president biden argued that the idea of infrastructure, the concept of it, is evolving as he faces criticism that his administration is attempting to redefine infrastructure with his massive proposal, which including job training, home care, and more. white house says it seeing workers as the infrastructure of america's economy. >> it's not a plan that tinkers around the edge. >> reporter: >> reporter: president joe biden delivers a head-on defense of growing criticism against his jobs package. >> we need to start seeing infrastructure through its effect on the lives of working
people in america. >> reporter: as republicans savage the proposal for going far beyond the bounds of traditional infrastructure, biden explicitly to embrace the idea. >> to automatically say the only idea is infrastructure is only a highway or bridge, taz just not rational. it really isn't. >> reporter: along the way making clear he's open to bipartisan talks, but has no intention of scaling back his ambition. >> we will not be open to doing nothing, inaction simply is not an option. >> reporter: but the plan is facing significant blowback with the republicans firmly opposed in claiming key elements are not infrastructure at all. >> i would be open to it, but not what i think they're peddling. >> reporter: it playing a crucial policy role and lays the battle lines in the fight ahead.
as senator gillibrand, cha child -- and former house republicans and potential pennsylvania senate candidate ryan costello saying that was the equivalents of gop messaging on infrastructure. all as biden prepares to take his first steps on guns. >> i expect the president will have more to say tomorrow. >> reporter: set to unveil executive action which would include background checks on handmade, self-aassembled firearms, known as ghost guns. he's expected to press lawmakers on capitol hill to act in the wake of shootings that killed 18 in georgia and colorado last month. >> i don't need to wait another minute, let alone an hour, to take common-sense steps that will save lives in the future. >> reporter: jake, i was struck today by how forceful president
biden's defense of his proposal was, especially given how early it is. speaking of white house officials, they made clear it was impassed for a reason, making a point, now is the time to act. if rpgs are willing to sit there and put up roadblocks. a surprising new shortage related to covid that may mean some won't be able to get ketchup with their fries. and more details with the tiger woods crash. stick around.
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hour over the speed limit. woods told investigators he did not drink and was not under any investigation. the county of the sheriff's station said woods likely mistook the gad pedal for the brake. this was the 2017 women's march, or put another way, the mother of all huddles, that's how brooke baldwin describes is in her new book, "huddle." the book just went on sale. it's a fantastic read. we're joined by the woman her self-, brooke baldwin.
>> i'm going to do what i told you to do. >> i told you not -- >> folks, jake tapper, when you found out i was writing a book, you were blowing up my phone, not only when i had covid, you were texting me every day, misa lot of jake tapper texts. you called me and said, how can i help you? i've written books. we need women who support huddling. >> well, you're my friend. >> so that two days there i was, in the middle of the women's march, but the day before i'm embedded in the trump motorcade as he's making his way down constitution to go to the white house for the first time. eye standing there, we're all aware of where he said he likes to grab women and i was troubled. cut to this moment, i'm
backstage by the women's march, had never been surrounded by so many women in my life. i noticed on the campaign trail women showing up in the ways i never notice d just lastly, i realized jake through the court of this i have activated my huddle. >> huddle, i think of football. inch i used a purposely i define it as a where they empower women, you can thrive, succeed .
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in our money lead, americans survive shortages of ppe, of ventilatorers, title paper, even backing flour during this pandemic. now some restaurants are having trouble keeping ketchup on the table, after the pandemic demanded individual serving packets. >> reporter: every day across the country, restaurants are looking for customers in the midst of covid. at the blake street tavern in denver, chris is also looking for ketchup. >> you know, my chef came up and said, chris, i've got a bad problem. we're out of heinz. i said, wait a minute, what are
you talking about. >> reporter: the shortage best gan with new health guidelines discouraging traditional dining room service and pushing drive-thru, delivery, takeout and curbside pickup. in response, out went the big bottle and in come the cute packs, perfect for takeouts. soon demand was outpacing supply, long john silver's spent half a million dealing with the shortage. that's a lot of clams. some of the restaurants don't they five-gallon tubs of bulk ketchup and filled souffle cups with them. they looked at alternate dispensers, and, again, this takes time and money to do. >> heinz says this month it will launch a 25% increase in production, totalling 12 billion kept uppackets a year.
end to end that's almost enough to go to the moon and back. that's appropriate since, yeah, astronauts have ketchup in space. still, with summer cookouts, camping trips and whatever this is coming around, condiment connoisseurs could be squeezed for a while. back in colorado where theall star game on on the way, chris is hoping he can keep up with the ketchup demand. >> i'm going to order now. no kidding. i've got 100 days. add ketchup to toilet paper and cleaning supplies. not long ago we were throwing these around line confetti. now they're more like gold. before we go today, we want to take the time to wish happy birthday to elizabeth pounds is turning 100 years old today. she is the grandmother of our
beloved producer, she is was born april 7th, 1921 tess warren g harding was president. she lives in georgia, the town threw her a birthday parade. she says her secret to a long life -- keep moving, treat people the way you want to be treated. happy birthday. follow me or tweet the show. our coverage on cnn continues right now. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." we're tracking key developments in the derek chauvin murder trial. new testimony echoing the growing chorus of witnesses who say chauvin used excessive force. the prosecution once again leaned heavily on police officers to testify against chauvin, including one expert witness who said chauvin used