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my cholesterol is borderline. so i take garlique to help maintain healthy cholesterol safely and naturally. and it's odor free. i'm taking charge of my cholesterol with garlique. good evening. republican lawmakers declare war on major-league baseball, after baseball moves the all-star game
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from atlanta over new voting restrictions. that is just ahead but we begin with important testimony in the trial of fired police officer derek chauvin. taking the stand today, the doctor, who tried but could not save george floyd's life. and the police chief that told jurors what chauvin did to floyd went against department policy, training, ethics, and values. cnn's omar jimenez joins -- joins us, with our coverage. . >> reporter: the start of week two of testimony, and the current-minneapolis police chief takes the stand in the trial of derek chauvin, his former officer. >> do you believe have a belief, as to when this restraint, restraint on the ground, that you viewed, should have stopped? >> once mr. floyd had stopped resisting. and certainly, once he was in distress and trying to verbalize that. to continue to apply that level of force to a person, prone out,
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handcuffed behind their back. that -- that -- that, in no way, shape, or form, is anything that is by policy. it is not part of our training, and it is, certainly, not part of our ethics or our values. >> in late may, chief medaria arradondo. chauvin knew what he was doing, and what happened to mr. floyd was murder. >> so, is it your belief, then, that this-particular form of restraint, if that's what you -- if that's what we'll call it -- in fact, violates departmental policy. >> i, absolutely, agree, that violates our policy. >> reporter: then, the defense asked questions as part of cross-examination. >> the issue that you take with it is the length of time? >> counselor, couple of issues.
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is the person a threat to the officers or others? what is the severity of the crime? are you re-evaluating, and assessing the person's medical condition? >> reporter: but while the police background was a focus monday, so, too, was the medical background. as the doctor who officially declared george floyd dead, took the stand. >> any amount of time that a patient spends in cardiac arrest, without immediate cpr, markedly decreases the chance of a good outcome. approximately 10-to-15% decrease in survival, for every minute that cpr is not administered. >> reporter: by that testimony, floyd's survivability would have decreased by roughly 50%. prosecutors say, chauvin continued to kneel on floyd's neck for nearly-four minutes, after he appeared to lose consciousness. the doctor told prosecutors his leading theory on floyd's cause of death was cardiac arrest by
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oxygen deficiency, or asphyxia. the defense has pointed to drugs found in floyd's system as the primary cause of death. >> there are many things that cause hypoxia, that would still be considered asphyxiation, agreed? >> correct. >> specifically, fentanyl? >> that is correct. >> how about methamphetamine? >> it can. >> monday's testimony marking a shift from the week-one theme of what happened on may 25th, 2020, to making the case for what chauvin has pleaded not guilty to. second-degree, unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter. >> omar jimenez joins us now from outside the courthouse. so there was another witness late -- late in the day. >> that's right, anderson. the last witness to testify today was the commander of the training division of the minneapolis police department. and she was actually shown a picture of derek chauvin kneeling on the neck of george floyd. and she simply said i don't know what type of improvised restraint that is, because we
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don't teach that. and when you take her testimony, within the context of everything that we have seen, it is noteworthy how many senior-level, current police officers, within the minneapolis-police department, have testified in this trial. many of them, saying that chauvin's actions do not line up with what they believe should have happened, in this. and it's a group that now includes the current-minneapolis police chief, medaria arradondo, if you remember, fired these four officers involved within 48 hours of this happening. as we now, in this week-two of testimony, shift from, basically, defining what happen on may 25th. to now, moving to what it all means. and tomorrow morning, we will be hearing from a brand new witness, as again, we continue into this week two of testimony. anderson. >> thanks. joining us now, cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, laura coates. criminal defense attorney, mark. and former police chief of the wash d.c. metro police force.
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laura, how damaging was the testimony by the police chief? >> extremely damaging. this comes, after more -- other -- other officers, law-enforcement officers, who are all extending a ten-foot pole now showing to the jury that, look, an officer is entitled to use force. but there is a clear line in the sand, anderson, for when it goes from reasonable use of force to, now, criminal assault. and that line apparently seems to be where the training stops. and, of course, where there's no longer force being used to resist these officers. this is chief of police, who is making the statement. he is somebody, who has a lot of experience in law enforcement in minneapolis. along with training. there is no way to undermine the fact that, if he said it's not part of the training or the policies. combine that, with other testimony, it is extremely damaging to the defense. >> chief ramsey, how unusual is it for a sitting-police chief to testify against somebody who was one of his officers? >> well, it is unusual, as far
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as toeestifying in court. usually, when you are testifying against one of your officers that you fired or disciplined, it's in an arbitration hearing, which, obviously, is not televised. so this is a very high-profile case. it's being televised. he's been called as a witness. that doesn't happen very often. i -- i was police chief for 17 years. i can recall, maybe, three, maybe, four times i actually had to appear in court to testify against an officer. >> mark, from a defense perspective, i am wondering what you thought the impact of the police chief's testimony was? and the defense. what it does to the defense's case? >> i really think it is detective dating, as laura said because you now have the chief of police coming in saying that is not sanctioned. that's not the way it should have been done. that's not the way we would have done it. and when you have that type of information, the jury is looking to try and find out an excuse or reason why chauvin did what he did. and now, we have the cadence of this trial being the emotion of
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the moment with the video. the bystanders. and now, we have law enforcement coming in and telling these jurors that is not the way chauvin should have acted. he has no justification for it. and after all, that is the essence of the case and the defense is going to have to deal with that. >> laura, we heard, today, from -- from the doctor who pronounced george floyd dead at the hospital. the prosecutor asked him if there is another name for death by oxygen deficiency. the doctor responded, asphyxia. does that bolster the -- how much, i guess, does that bolster the prosecution's case? >> you were right to clarify your question, because it -- it honestly does the prosecution's case. the idea of saying somebody died because their heart stopped. and then, using that to try to excuse criminal liability of the person, who may have been a causal factor to why the heart stopped. it is essentially setting up this idea of how we all expect to have this battle of the experts.
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about what one autopsy said or medical-examiner's report. or the family's use of an autopsy. et cetera. it's ail about saying it goes to the same issue, here. why, did the heart stop? not whether it did. we know it did. that's how human beings die. their hearts no longer operate. they no longer function. so now, what caused it? and this idea of trying to figure out whether there is a substantial-causal factor of the pressure, not only on the knee on the neck of george floyd, excuse me. but also, the pressure on his body. when he is in proned position. it's all setting up what we know to be the other part of this case, anderson. not just whether it was reasonable or -- force or excess efb force. we know it was excessive now from law-enforcement testimony. but now, whether it was a substantial-causal factor in the death. that's where they are going, that is where the prosecution is heading this. >> and, mark, it's clear, the defense is bringing in the -- any narcotics or potential influence of narcotics on the
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cause of death. >> that's exactly what they have to do. if you think about it, the defense's job, in this case, is to try and create or to set the seed for reasonable doubt in at least one of those jurors' minds, if not all 12. and the way they are going to do that is say, there are alternative methods, alternative possibilities for why he passed. not just because of what chauvin did. that's why he mentioned things like asphyxia. and we know we are going to hear about the drugs and the combination of drugs, and the fluid in his lung. because the defense has to come up and try and show the jury that there is some, other, reason that he would have passed. that's this whole-excited-delirium that we're going to hear a lot more about. we heard just a touch of so far. we are going to hear a lot of that because that is an alternative given by many police or given to many police for why people pass. >> at this point, do you think -- week two now of this
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trial and defense obviously is going to have their opportunity to present their case. do you think they are, already, changing their potential defense? or i mean, how does what they've heard, so far, impact what they, themselves, are going to try to present, do you think? >> we have to presume they knew all of this was going or most of this was coming. they had the opportunity for discovery. they had all the information. i do think the defense needs to be a bit careful. sowing those seeds of reasonable doubt is what defense attorneys do. but goings at many of the witnesses, from the emt, to the grandfather who testified, to some of those people. i think they need to be careful because if you turn off this jury, if you lose your credibility with this jury, as the defense attorney. it works against you, of course. but more importantly, it works against your client and needs to be real careful. if they are going to focus on cause of death, focus on that. and leave the periphery alone. >> laura, we also heard, today, from the police inspector who led the department's training, as omar told us.
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she testified chauvin's knee on floyd's neck was not consistent with training. combine that, obviously, with the testimony from the police chief. it certainly, for the defense, seems like a big hill for them to climb. that this was something that was appropriate. >> it's, also, insurmountable, at this point. i mean, you also have -- remember, we have three other officers who are going to stand trial. but one of those officers was somebody who, on the scene, anderson, asked, shouldn't we move this person onto their side? this was somebody who was essentially a rookie, compared to the tenure of derek chauvin, who tells you, of course, that the training must have been such that, even a rookie officer knew. cut back to the other officers, including the most-tenured law-enforcement official in minneapolis. lieutenant zimmerman who testified last week. who said at least in 1985, he was able to understand that you had a compromised respiratory system. you could not breathe if you were in the prone position with handcuffs on.
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they have known this, day in and day out. year after year. the police chief talked about how you must have annual training to make sure that you have the muscle memory of logic. all of these things. so, it comes down to one thing. derek chauvin, according to the testimony, he obviously knew better. he was trained better. so, why didn't he follow that training? why didn't he do so? if that question is on the tip of my tongue, it is lingering in the minds of jurors, which is exactly where you want to be when you are the prosecution. >> and, chief ramsey, just, you know, what does it say to you that it was, as -- as laura said, a relative rookie, who raised his voice and said, you know, shouldn't we put him on his side? even referencing, you know, something that -- that he had, assume, learned recently at the academy about somebody in distress? >> well, i mean, not only the rookie but everyone in the minneapolis-police department, with the exception of derek chauvin know that that's not process -- i mean, procedure.
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to keep a person in prone position like that, have a knee on their neck for extended periods of time like that. that is not in training, anywhere, in the united states. so it is an uphill battle for 'em. i know they are trying to nitpick now around whether his knee was an inch here or inch there. so i mean, he is cherry picking the video, right when the paramedics get there. he made -- probably shifted his position slightly. what about the other-nine minutes? i mean, we know what we are looking at here. and, you know, he had his knee on the neck. others had pressure on his back. he was in -- in a pronged position. i mean, that's just a recipe for disaster and that is exactly what happened. >> chief ramsey, laura coates, mark o-mira, appreciate it. and the the defense's attempt to cast doubt on the medical testimony which we saw today. later the high heat of the nation's pastime, baseball, threw georgia in defense of the nation's life force, voting.
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and the generations that come after her. bring your family history to life like never before. get started for free at as we touched on, today's testimony in the derek chauvin trial only sharpened the central clash between prosecution and defense, over the cause of death of george floyd. the prosecution seeking to persuade jurors that, what they see on the video, is what killed george floyd. nothing more. that view, as you saw, was bolstered by the doctor who treated floyd. >> doctor, was your leading theory, then, for the cause of mr. floyd's cardiac arrest, oxygen deficiency? >> that was one of the more likely possibilities. i felt that, at the time, based on the information i had, it was more likely than the other possibilities. >> and, doctor, is there another
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name for death by oxygen deficiency? >> asphyxia is a commonly-understood term. >> thank you, doctor. >> now, there is more to be learned, however, than the physician can often uncover in the moment while struggling to stabilize a patient. which is why we are joined now by professor. based on what you know about george floyd's death, do you agree with the testimony that cardiac arrest likely occurred because of asphyxia? >> yes, yes, absolutely. i think, what the e.r. doctor found was a very-elevated carbon-dioxide level, which is indication of respiratory distress. insufficient oxygen getting to the brain and all-other parts of the body. and that would lead to asystole, which means flat lining, the
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electrical activity was nil. and that's why defibrillation was not even applied, because you can't defibrillate someone who is in asystole. so, i think, that after working on him for 30 minutes and ruling out various possibilities. he concluded that it was due to hypoxia, which is a result of asphyxia. asphyxia can come about, for many different reasons, and that, really, is the crux of the matter. and so, that's where we have to answer the question as what led to the hypoxia? was it due to the positional asphyxia? or is it a compression asphyxia? was the airway blocked? and that is resolved, in the autopsy report. >> you've, i believe, looked at the autopsy report. is that resolve snd resolved? >> well, the autopsy report, as you know, goes through the body,
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from head to toe. and it's the various abrasions and bruises to the face, to the shoulders, to the arms, are described. they, also, describe problems that were of natural cause. in other words, mr. floyd had coronary-artery disease. there was a narrowing of the vessels. he had hypertension. he had an enlarged heart. but, you know, remember that a medical examiner, also, brings, into the conclusion, reports of the police and videotapes, as well, before any conclusion is reached. so, it does look like the medical examiner agrees that it is asphyxia. although, that was not the term used. the medical examiner used an expression about being sub -- subdued, retrastrained, and nec compression. and cardiopulmonary arrest.
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and that can happen, for various reasons. so important, in explaining the medical examiner's autopsy report, to understand what happened to mr. floyd, at the scene when the police were there, trying to restrain him. using neck compression. the positioning that they put him in. the handcuffs to the back. >> right. >> as we said, it's a recipe for death. not good. >> obviously -- let me just say, the -- the -- the defense, obviously, you know, cross-examined the -- the er doctor who treated mr. floyd. asking if drug use can cause hypoxia. responded that fentanyl and methamphetamine could. is that -- i mean, where does that -- how does that affect what may have happened? >> well, that certainly is something the defense is very interested in. because mr. floyd had a lethal dose, 11 nanograms, per milliliter of blood, would be lethal, for most people.
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but, of course, when you're a drug abuser, and you are using fentanyl, which is a very potent drug, you build up a ptolerance. and from the appearance of -- of mr. floyd at cup foods, he appeared to be breathing normally. he may have been a little, you know, walking a little bit oddly. but he was, certainly, alive and breathing. so, he was tolerant. of course, you can overdose, to an extent, even with tolerance. it can cause death. but fentanyl causes respiratory dysfunction. decreases res -- respiration. it decreases the heart rate. it lowers blood pressure. it dilates blood vessels but the main thing is it decreases respiration and can lead to hypoxia and that's exactly what the defense wants to hear. >> lawrence, appreciate it. there was more fallout, today, in the wake of major league baseball decision to remove the all-star game from atlanta due to new legislation
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republican governor of texas was invited, as elected officials routinely are, to throw out the first pitch at this afternoon's home opener of the texas rangers. but governor greg abbott declined and cited the decision to move the all-star game from
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atlanta. what he called a false narrative about georgia's new law that democrats claim restricts voting rights. this, as mitch mcconnell, linking it to corporate statements like the one from georgia-based delta airlines and coca-cola, which also criticized it. all of which, puts major-american sport, that usually avoids political controversy, squarely, in the middle of one. want to get perspective now from cnn national correspondent and anchor of inside politics, john king. and toluse olorunnipa, white house reporter for "the washington post." so, john, i know two things you are passionate about. sports and politics. you have been a political reporter and red sox fan, i imagine, for even longer than you have been a political reporter. so what do you make of this confrontation between america's pastime and this new law in georgia? >> it's an evolution, contincontinued evolution and escalation of sports getting involved in something it, for years, deliberately avoided.
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it's politics. that it said penalized people who made the choice they were transgender. we have seen, just in the past year or so, nascar getting involved as well about the confederate flag. more and more, sports as a business, sports has a fan base. sports responds to political pressure. many sports are also urban focused. baseball was late. i believe it was the last, major sports organization to issue a statement after the george floyd killing. then after opening day, it put black lives matter on the players' fields and uniforms, of the like. major league baseball made this choice and again, it is part of this evolution and escalation that you are seeing, where sports, just for years, decided we don't do politics. more and more involved in social justice and political movements. >> toluse, it is an interesting time in corporate america, where companies are being asked to take positions on things which, in past years, they really would have tried to stay out of. focusing, obviously, on profits or pleasing as many people as
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possible. >> yeah, that's exactly right. the activists that are pushing against some of these bills realize that, if you are going to make change, you have to hurt some of these lawmakers in their pocketbooks and their communities by having the tax revenue and economic activity that would have come from a big event like all-star game. having that taken out of georgia and now some of these lawmakers are starting to respond. a number of these corporations, sports leagues, are feeling pressure from their constituents, fan bases, from activists. essentially, telling them they have to take a stand, especially when it comes to specific issues of racial justice, economic rights for minority. they can't be silent, anymore. and i think the killing of george floyd last year really sparked even more of these corporations to take a stand. and it really seems like there is no turning back, at this point. because the act viivists have realized this is the way to make change because a lot of these lawmakers have not listened for several years to some of their
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cries but they realize, if they are able to talk to some of these corporations. and get them to make change, then you can see some of these sports leagues and some of these lawmakers have to respond, as a result. >> john, there are, still, a number of states considering new-voting laws. how likely, do you think it is, that this action by major-league baseball, and others, coke, delta, and others, will actually lead to other states backing off those, what democrats consider, restrictive measures? >> i think the democrats will use it, progressives will use it in those states to say, number one, we think this is wrong. but number two, consider the consequences. look, timing is everything in politics. that is a cliche but it's also true. that we are having this conversation as the derek chauvin trial plays out. it was the killing of george floyd that brought a lot of this to the bubbling point, if you will. so there will be people who say think twice, think three times but around nderson, there will flip side of that. a lot of republicans on this cancel culture, if you will. you mention governor abbott at
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the top of the conversation deciding forget it. i'm not going to throw the first pitch. so there will be some who try to take advantage of the controversy to raise the quote/unquote cancel-culture issues. >> and, toluse, i mean, republicans and corporate america have enjoyed a close relationship, for a very long time. you have now, someone like mitch mcconnell, who's enjoyed financial support of many in the corporate world, lashing out against corporations taking a stand against these -- these voting laws. >> yeah. this is the outgrowth of former-president trump's presidency. he said he was going to go against the elites and corporations, even though he gaf them one of the biggest tax cuts in history. but he did campaign against them and said he was for the working person. and he was going to fight for the working man and woman, against the corporations and elites. and now, you see other republicans, including mitch mcconnell, including marco rubio, take that form of populism and try to use it to attack some of these corporations, which have been their political constituency for decades and decades. so we are seeing a shift in the political atmosphere, and it is
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not clear where things go, next. if these corporations start to align more with democrats who want to raise their taxes. or whether or not they stick with some of the conservatives who want to protect them from some progressive policies when it comes to economics. but when it comes to social issues, it seems they are much more aligned with the left-wing and progressive causes when it comes to social justice, racial justice, and equality. so it really is sort of a political-hot potato. with these corporations trying to decide where they are going to land. >> yeah, john, one of the other things he said. he said, quote, a host of powerful people and institutions apparently think they stand to benefit from parroting this big lie. it's interesting that he is co-opting the phrase, the big lie, which is normally used for the really-big lie, which is the -- president trump's big lie about the election. >> mitch mcconnell. whether you like him or not, is very calculating. he does not just choose his words, willy-nilly, if you will.
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to say, you know, because the democrats and media have used the term big lie, because trump did perpetrate a big lie. and he perpetrated it for months and it led to an insurrection in the capitol. look, mitch mcconnell has a point in that some democrats, including the president of the united states, mr. biden, have gotten some of the details wrong. but bill clinton used to have this thing, anderson, if you see a turtle on a fence post, it didn't get there by accident. most laws in the states do restrict voting rights and republicans are pushing them. there have been some exaggeration and hype about the georgia law but these conversation in more than 40 states are real. >> john king, toluse olorunnipa, thank you very much. appreciate it. has the identity of q, the person behind the extremist ideology, qanon, that's attracted followers with its bizarre-and-false conspiracy theories. has the -- has q actually been discovered? up next, i will talk with the filmmaker behind a fascinating, new hbo documentary. examining qanon about why he is
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my cholesterol is borderline. so i take garlique to help maintain healthy cholesterol safely and naturally. and it's odor free. i'm taking charge of my cholesterol with garlique. over the weekend, hbo finished airing a documentary
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story called into the storm. looking into qanon, the conspiracy-laden ideology, that's attracted believers not only around this country but around the world. leader of the bizarre, online group, is called simply q and his identity has long been a secret. but the man behind the documentary seems convinced that he has solved the mystery. his evidence is this clip, that aired during the series finale last night in which hobach interviews the longtime administrator of the qanon message board. >> reporter: juan hadn't just been participating in q research. it sounded like he was leading it. >> yeah. so, thinking back on it, it's, basically, it was basically three years of intelligence training. teaching how to do intelligence work. it's basically what i was doing anonymously, before. but never, as q. >> reporter: see that smile?
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ron had slipped up. he knew it, and i knew it. and after three, tireless years of cat and mouse, well -- [ laughter ] >> never was q. i promise. because i am not q. i never was. >> and colin novak joins me now. it's a pleasure to meet you. i really was so fascinated by your documentary. your access. it's incredible how much time and -- and how deep you got into this. for those who may be confused as to why that moment was so shocking, can you lay out, briefly, who this guy, ron watkins, is, what his role in the qanon-origin story is? and why that revelation from him was so important? >> sure, yeah. so, the person i am talking to is ron watkins, aka kurd monkey.
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he is someone who's been named in the q drops. so, there is a lot of lore around this character in the world of qanon. he is, also, the admin of the site where q posts. so, you know, i had -- i had spent years playing cat and mouse with this character. you know, i thought that it was possible that, you know, he -- he would know more about q, than anyone else, because q posts on his site. and i had always been waiting for that moment, where ron slips up. and the first time it happened was -- was -- was a few months ago. and i think, it happened, as a result of a kind of superoptimism. where he had just gotten away with it for so long, he wasn't really watching his words. and you can see, in the clip that you just played. he actually breaks into a smile, before -- before i do, because
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he realized, i think, what -- what had just happened. and i think you even kind of hear him muttering around his breath. and i just remember when ron -- when ron said that, i looked over -- afterwards, i looked over at my camera person. i was like he just admitted he is q. i -- i -- for me, it was just a mind-blowing moment. >> one of those moments where you just pray the camera person is actually rolling. that there is like -- record was on, and that everything actually has been saved. you -- you said in the clip, you have been talking to -- to watkins and his dad, jim, for years. you both start laughing. what was going through your mind? i mean, did he say more about it, later? i mean, did he -- i mean, he clearly -- he -- he's -- he continues to deny he was q, right? >> well, he'll always deny that he's q because i -- i think he would be concerned about any-potential, legal ramifications that might come
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with it. but i, also, think that, deep down, he has a -- he kind of wants the credit. >> yeah. >> and i -- and i saw this in various moments, along the way. where i think he would kind of give me nudges. sort of hint that, yeah, he is behind it but he can't really say he's behind it. >> it's, also, so remarkable when, you know, there is all these people out there. who, for one reason or another, for whatever in their lives has brought them to, you know, go down this rabbit hole. you know, believe that q was a -- you know, early on, that he was a member of the trump administration. that he was a high-level intelligence official, with a special, magical-q clearance. that, you know, he had access. and, all the things that q predicted was going to happen, just never happened. and was continually proven wrong. and yet, these people still continued to believe and just came up with new explanations for why everything he said was wrong. the fact that it might be this
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guy, it -- you know, of course, it's like somebody, like this. and not, you know, some-intelligence official, somewhere. >> well, i -- i mean, ron watkins has all of the motive, right? he has a -- he's -- he's interested in, quote/unquote, kind of getting his roworld vie out to people. he doesn't like the mainstream media and he was trying to build an audience. and i think to some extent, he and his father are, also, kind of interested in taking over the world. so, you know, it -- it -- it checks out. but i would say that there -- and you see this, in the story. that even though ron is, i believe, the lynchpin in all of this, there is this broader network. and over time, as q increased in power, you did see figures like general flynn. you will see another general, who is seeding intel, these people who sort of preach the word on q and make sense of it to their followers.
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and you see, that this group of ex-military actors are leveraging q and hijacking the narr narrative, for their own -- for their own ends. >> and so many of them are profiting off it. they are selling merchandise. they are selling, you know -- you know, subscriptions or, you know, they are trying to gain viewers. just like every, you know, teen influencer, you know, on tiktok and everywhere else. it's -- it's -- it's -- it's just -- it's extraordinary. colin, it's a fascinating documentary. hope a lot of people watch it. it's really, really, really great. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next. what life is like, when post-covid normal life is, both, inches and miles away. we'll take you where vaccinations are surging. but so is the virus. ide right h. what'd you do? - tell me know you did it. - yeah. get a little closer. that's insane. that's a different car. -that's the same car. - no! yeah, that's before, that's after. oh, that's awesome. make it nu with nu finish. it doesn't happen often. everyday people taking on the corporate special interests.
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covid vaccinations are up nationwide. more than 3 million doses a day for four days now. however, in a number of states,
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case counts are spiking as well. infectious disease blame the spread of covid variants. one strain has been detected in all 50 states. some experts but not all believe there may be worse to come. >> just look at states like michigan and mun min. -- minnesota. where you have high levels of vaccination relative to the rest of the country, and already, you're seeing the surge. while vaccination is important, it is obviously a critical part of our long-term game plan, we're not going to have enough vaccine at the way we're going into the arms of enough americans over the course of the next six to ten weeks with this surge that we're going to stop it. it's just simply not going to happen. >> miguel marquez has a closer look at michigan and what may be the front line in the battle against covid. >> how are you? >> fred was on his way to get vaccinated. >> i was going there, and i didn't feel right.
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>> he got a covid-19 test instead. it was positive. >> you were right at the finish line. >> there was a lot of -- there was a lot of emotional baggage that went with that. >> he says he got it from his 19-year-old son, andy, his wife betsy was fully vaccinated with the moderna vaccine. she, too, got covid-19 with only minor symptoms. the virus hammered fred. 54 years old and no underlying conditions. >> i felt like i went ten rounds with mike tyson. i was absolutely physically exhausted. i mean, i felt like i had been beat up. i had felt like i had been in a car accident. i mean, it was crazy. >> tina thinks her son's soccer club brought the coronavirus into her home. >> even though we're all masked up, we're on the sidelines, everyone is yelling.
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>> her boys levi and jesse got it with no symptoms. her husband jason got a bad case. hers was worse. >> they said, yeah, you have pneumonia. caused from covid, so we're going to admit you. and here i am. >> how supplied are you to be in this bed? >> very shocked. >> the 44-year-old mother of two with no underlying conditions. outdoorsy, active, never sick, adhered to coronavirus guidelines, never thought she would get covid or that it would hit her this hard. >> it's weird. it's almost like you feel like you're suffocating a little bit. i don't know. it's hard to explain because you get really light headed and you're like, woo, clammy. >> two cases of thousands in the wolverine state, now in its third coronavirus surge. >> we're not back to where we were in november and december, but the rate of increase seems more drastic than it did back then.
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>> at lancing's sparrow health system, covid-19 admissions have risen 600% in a month. >> we're trying to see where we can pull extra staff from. >> the hospital had disbanded its covid incident command center with cases piling up, they have reestablished it. >> in december, we had a high of close to 150 patients. right now, we have 95. and at the rate it's going if it doesn't abate, we'll be at 150 patients in 15 days. >> 15 days? >> yes. you know where the top of the curve is? >> we don't know. >> the doctor specializes in caring with patients with covid at part of the largest health care system in michigan. covid tests of some patientsen sent for dna analysis indicate a worrying sign. sharp increase in the new more contagious, possibly more lethal b-117 variant. >> right now, the regular covid test we do, that's still showing covid/no covid, but we sent a lot out to the state and we're seeing something like 40% of our
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patients b-117. >> as older michiganders and those with underlying conditions get vaccinated, hospitalizations for them have plummeted. now the hospitalized typically younger and healthier. >> each surge has brought different challenges. when we address them, we felt strong we had this disease under attack, but then we get thrown a curveball. >> for health care workers, an exhausting year getting longer. >> the first day i came in and saw that our unit was full of covid patients again, it was really difficult. i had tears in my eyes. >> 22 years a registered nurse. >> yes. >> how hard has the last year been? >> harder. >> why? >> because people are dying. i'm sorry. >> why is this so hard to talk about? >> because i just saw it yesterday. >> what did you see?
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>> i had a patient pass away. >> the weight of so much sickness and death, that burden getting only heavier. >> it is so difficult to speak to those health care professionals who have been out there day after day for the last year. those two last nurses you heard from, they both got covid during the last year. so not only is the stress physical and mental, but it's to their health as well. many nurses we spoke to also got coronavirus. that last nurse you heard from, she said she wants a normal day. she wants to come in and work with somebody who is getting over gallbladder surgery. anderson. >> miguel marquez, appreciate it. >> up next, the latest attempt by matt gaetz to clear his name about the allegations involving sex trafficking.
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republican congressman matt gaetz is trying to put out more fires and save his career, this time with an editorial defending himself against allegations of sex trafficking and prostitution. involving a minor. he writes in the washington examiner, quote, first, i have never, ever paid for sex, and second, i as an adult man have not slept with a 17-year-old. he also writes, quote, and no, i am absolutely not resigning. later he writes this, my personal life is and always has been conducted on my own time and my own dime. sources tell cnn investigators are pursuing allegations that gaetz