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top of the hour. good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm jim sciutto. minutes from now the murder trial that gripped this nation begins its second week. after a powerful, often emotional week of eyewitnesses testifying about the final moments of george floyd's life, prosecutors could today bring to the stand a man who fired derek chauvin from the minneapolis police force following this killing. the department's chief of police. >> that is critical testimony.
also expected to be called by the prosecution, one of the doctors on duty at the hospital where george floyd was taken as the doctors tried to save his life. let's begin this hour with our colleague josh campbell. he joins us from minneapolis. good morning to you, josh. last week's testimony was really stunning. it was heartbreaking. it was emotional from eyewitnesses on down. what is the goal of the prosecution team this week? starting with today. >> it's going to be a building on what we saw last week, poppy. gripping testimony. we heard from george floyd's girlfriend who humanized him. telling about him as a person. we also heard last week from two key witnesses for the prosecution. these were two senior officers with the minneapolis police department that were devastating for the defense. they rejected this idea that somehow george -- derek chauvin was operating within policy when he put his knee on george floyd's neck for over nine minutes. what we're expecting this week again is building on that same
theme. to include two witnesses, one the chief of police himself. this is going to be a key witness. we know that the chief of police has already come out publicly criticizing chauvin's actions, describing what he did as murder and criticizing the three other ou officers for not stopping chauvin and we'll hear from the chief physician that tried to save george floyd's life. the prosecution said this doctor was also supervising taking blood samples, why is that key? because we know that toxicology reports are important because the defense is trying to turn the table here's and say that it wasn't chauvin's action that's caused floyd's death, but perhaps the fact that floyd may have been under the influence of some kind of drug. so what we're expecting robust questioning from the prosecution. really building on this narrative that chauvin was not operating within the standards of the police department and get
more insight into what transpired in the immediate aftermath after george floyd was taken to the hospital. poppy and jim? >> lots to watch this morning. we'll bring it you to live. josh campbell, thanks very much. joining us now, former federal prosecutor charles coatlaura co and charles ramsey. laura coates, i want to ask you what the defense's potential answers are to the prosecution's argument that derek chauvin was trained but the training said don't do this. and by the way, he has his boss. he has the other officers testify to that. fellow police officers. how does the defense respond to that? >> well, it's an uphill battle to do so. you have the more and more people you have were testifying that not only is not training, it also ended in a person point. the idea of when training told him to essentially go from reasonable force to stop when someone is subdued. he'll talk about this being a subjective interpretation. that line that we talk about now
is really hindsight being 20/20. when it goes to actual assault which is the underlying claim for second-degree murder charge. killing somebody even intentionally in the course of actually committing a felony. that being assault. they'll argue that, look, everyone can monday morning quarterback right now. but at the time, he believes that he was waiting for the paramedics. he was within his rights to do so and had no idea this person was actually in such physical duress. now that's going to be an uphill battle, of course. we see all the different people who were putting him on notice. it was no longer reasonable. >> commissioner ramsey last week in the trial, the body camera evidence was presented of then officer chauvin speaking with his supervisor shortly after floyd's death. watch this. >> we're trying to control this guy because he's a sizable guy. >> then let him get in the car. >> i was just going to call you
and have come out to our scene here. not realy. we just had to have to hold a guy down. he was going crazy. wouldn't go in the back of the squad car. >> so this morning the attorney for the floyd family told our colleague on "new day" that chauvin had an increased responsibility to watch over floyd because he suspected he was in an altered state do. you gr he wagree with that asse? >> i do. first of all, they may have been able to observe that he appeared to perhaps be under the influence. this is comes down to the use of force that was used against him. if they thought that he was -- he had overdosed, for example, then they should be taking him to the hospital as opposed to taking him to jail. so they're grabbing at as much
stuff as they possibly can. you have split second decisions and so forth. chauvin had a lot of time to think about what he was doing. there's no question about that. when he had him in that prone position, he had the one knee on the neck, the other on the shoulder. he had ample time to think about what he was doing. and to also feel the responsive reaction of george floyd. to know he is still moving? he is still doing anything that would indicate that he is okay? and the answer to that is no. i mean, so, you know, i'm not surprised what the defense is doing. but it is weak. the only thing they got is to really attack that medical examiner's report. it's certainly not within policy. you'll find that from the chief today. he sets policy for the department. there is no better authority. it is certainly not consistent with his training. >> laur yashgs i wonder what your view of that is. the defense has a lower
standard, of course. they just have to create a reasonable doubt. they don't have to prove anything in effect. what is their best path at this point? >> well, it's a substantial causal factor aspect. what you saw last week is the notion that normally you have police officers in this blue code this blue wall of silence. you saw the opposite. you saw the extension of a 10 foot pole from each officer who is testifying from even the paramedic who's are very clear that person they believe who is george floyd, they knew later, was actually already dead. they believe, when they saw him and trying to give him a, quote, second chance at life. 911 dispatcher and all points -- all of the directions are saying, look this was not a reasonable use of force. what they're going to try to hang their hat on is that, okay, fine f fine, even fit wasn't a reasonable use of force that, still is not the cause of george floyd's death. they're going to point to other things. the idea of drug use, the idea
of perhaps other conditions in his body. remember, the jury has to know that the jury instructions that the defense and the prosecution will put forth will say that it need not be the sole cause of death. it has to be a substantial causal factor. so the dueling experts talk about what this means, they're really not as dueling as it made out to be. one is talking about essentially a heart attack due to the behavior. one is saying asphyxiation. when oxygen is not going to the brain. when the oxygen stops, what happens to the heart? it stops. this is about common sense in terms of trying to follow this path. it's not quite as meandering. they will make it seem like it is. >> commissioner ramsey, qualified immunity meant it has been extraordinarily hard for prosecutors to win in cases against police officers. should the american people expect this will be different? is there something in this case that is marketedly different to you given all the protection officers have? >> well, qualified immunity is
not going to stop chauvin from being convicted if he is found guilty. you know that? that can make a difference in civil court. but under these circumstances, the it icity won't have to prov any kind of coverage for him. he's acting outside of his authority as a police officer. and, so you know, qualified immunity part of it really, i don't see that playing into this. >> thank you both. commissioner ramsey and laura coates. good to have you. again, the derek chauvin murder trial is set to begin in just a few minutes. will we'll take you live inside the courtroom as the witnesses take the stand. plus, health experts are warning the possibility of another surge in new coronavirus infections as a record number of americans travelled over the holiday hol holiday weekend against cdc recommendations. as a result of the researcher that i've started to do on ancestry. having ancestry to fill in the e gaps with documents,
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the numbers are huge for the pandemic. the tsa screened 3.54 million people yesterday. 1.4 million people on saturday. 1.58 million people on friday. that is the record of the pandemic. all of this means about six million people have passed through security at america's airports since sunday. now these numbers are about 10 times greater than what they were a year ago. but still about two-thirds of the numbers from 2019 prepandemic. travelers still say they feel empowered to go right now even in spite of what health experts are saying. here's what they told us. >> i feel like because people are just problem just kind of tired of being at home. you get tired at a certain point. whatever. i guess so. some people got to that scene. so they're like we can go out now. it's easy we are the vaccine. >> reporter: the numbers are so big that delta airlines actually to fill middle seats on the
flights over the weekend to keep up with demand. delta has been capping capacity during the pandemic but is done with that policy starting may 1st. hit to do this early, it says, because of staffing issues and had to canceled 100 flights. cdc says fully vaccinated americans can travel right now but the cdc is telling people they should still avoid travel and if you're going to travel, be smart about it. wear a mask on the plane and in airports where it's federally mandated right now. jim and poppy? >> pete, thank you very much. michigan is in the middle of another coronavirus surge in part fueled by more contagious variants and increase in gatherings that is key, jim. >> no question. more than 8,000 new infections were reported there just on saturday. hospitalizations, and that's key, they're rising as well. this news, as of everyone, everyone over the age of 16 in the state is eligible to get
vaccinated. that's well ahead of a lot of other states. how are they managing to do that? >> yeah. that's the positive of it. also the state plans to double the vaccination goal from 50,000 shots a day up to 100,000 a day pretty soon. so they do hope to cover more ground in terms of the vaccinations. the numbers are certainly alarming for health officials here. you are mentioned over the weekend, 8400 cases. that number, we haven't seen something like that in terms of daily new covid-19 cases in michigan since early december. so many health experts here are wondering if that dreaded expected fourth wave is perhaps what is actually happening here in michigan. so a lot of the focus is on vaccination. and also on trying to bridge that trust gap, especially with communities of color. we talked about that. it seems months into the rollout of the vaccine, that is still an issue. so yesterday we spent time during easter service at a local baptist church and spoke to the
congregation there. in fact, some of the folks that initially hesitated to get the vaccine told us that they went ahead and not only got vaccinated, but they are also now trying to spread the word among among their congregation and including kevin locket who was infected last year. he recovered. and is now really trying to spread the word to actually get vaccinated among this community. take a listen. >> you have to follow the signs. you have to mask up. you have to stay away from large gatherings. this is real. and all i can say is if you don't believe it, catch it. >> now the pastor at that congregation telling me that what they're trying to really get across or people that they're really trying to get across to are the younger members of the congregation. those that are waiting the vaccine or not actually taking the step. it's not necessarily because the vaccine hesitation. it is more because they feel
like they can't get sick and that, if you look at the numbers, is certainly not true. not only infections but also hospitalizations. . many hospitals in and around the detroit area reporting that they are seeing more younger adults in the emergency room with the coronavirus. >> more younger adults in the emergency room. thank you very much for the update. we do have breaking news. this is an interesting development. we just heard from the court in minneapolis that it's not clear that we will see any audio or video from the trial today as it resumes in the case of derek chauvin. let's go to laura coates, former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst. why is that? >> you know, it's unclear as of right now why. they've been fighting tooth and nail. media attorneys trying to represent different newspaper organizations and media. the whole premise of having the cameras in the courtroom was twofold. on the one hand, because of the limited access based on covid-19
for the family and other people who have a right to these sort of public hearings. but also the idea of people will trust the process more if they're able to see it. so this was really historic in minnesota to have this sort of access in the courtroom. now a week into trial after we've seen the emotional testimony of children as young as 9 years old, we have not seen them. there was compromised put in place. you could hear them. but you could not actually see them. their identities as of the jurors as well has been kept hidden. they have been referred to, i know at some points in name to identify themselves. we haven't seen those things. it's very odd right now you would pull back the access that you have already given. you pulled back the transparency and make this only filtered through the eyes of the media. that really runs counter as to why media active attorneys were trying to make sure everyone could see. this i don't understand at the moment as to why. it could be that there is a security issue at play. that the nature of the testimony
is such that there are things that certainly cannot be made public that, have not been made public before. that might pose a security threat for somebody in the courtroom or otherwise. or the compromises you could hear them but you can't see them. will not satisfy their threshold for the judge to say, look, i got an interest in making sure that those who are in my courtroom are protected. it could a number of things. but it's really, really bizarre at this late stage to pull back the access and not to provide a reason why. >> right. >> laura, this is a judge's decision. does the judge, first of all, i assume the judge has the power to do this ad hoc, he can pull back for a witness and reinstate it for another one. by what standards does a judge have to justify or is the judge, you know, sort of blanket authority to make a decision like this? >> well, a judge -- -- it sounds
like audio and video is back. a roller coast tler in the courtroom. >> i made those friday morning in chambers during a chambers discussion i made those same objections. with reference to the motion that had been filed prior to trial to prevent every single officer from coming in and giving their two cents as to the reasonable necessary of the use of force. >> so laur yashgs you hear the defense attorney there speaking. obviously, there is audio and video is on there. confusing for folks watch at home and for us as well. can this be a situation where you hear the lawyers but you don't hear the witnesses? what are the rules exactly? >> well, as i said, the idea of a judge -- they certainly do have level the prerogative. but once you have made a ruling, judges don't want to be contradicted by other judges let alone their own findings beforehand. >> nothing changed over the course of the week.
we're at a disadvantage in the media without having the prosecutors exact chronology of witnesses are going to call to figure out why these witnesses might be the ones who could not have a compromise that we saw last week. certainly the threshold normally for a judge in allowing the access is having this compromise between the anonymity and the personal safety of the jurors. we don't know their identities. we also don't -- we also know there is a security issue in terms of people who are in this very, very high profile trial where we know tensions have flared for the better part of a year and we remember last summer how hot the temperature got in terms of the reaction to the killing of george floyd. so the judge is going to be balancing the safety as well as the public's interest in this case. and he's already ruled about how he can make this compromise. so it may be if there is particularly compromising data -- i mean compromising not
because it makes somebody look bad or because it might cast somebody in a negative light. but for some reason a security threat that they could not accommodate. that might be one reason to do so. but as of yet, we have no indication that is actually a problem right now or anyone has been threatened in any way. of course, the judge is not going to want to wait until the 11th hour to make that call if there are risks already identified. >> the okay. all right. thank you, laura coates. just an update. the judge just issued a ruling that he decided that there was no jury misconduct. this following accusation of that via the defense counsel. that is his ruling. we're going to continue to listen in and monitor the trial. as we do, we're going to take a short break and we'll be right back. get...get mom. [ding] power e*trade gives you an award-winning app with 24/7 support when you need it the most. don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today.
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the latest attack at the u.s. capitol is revealing an on going security gap. really gaps and it raises major questions about public access. the chairman of the union for the u.s. capitol police officers said that department is "struggling to meet existing mission requirements" which, jim, you just talked to generous he will about last hour. >> that's right. he is the one charged by nancy pelosi with leading a security review of capitol security in the wake of january 6th. i asked him, does he believe
that u.s. capitol police officers cannot meet the mission? his answer was definitive. >> well, we made the recommendation that the need to get the funding to recruit and hire the 233 officers that we're short. we made the recommendation to hire another additional 800 officers. those recommendations are up to congress to take the action. i wouldn't go as far as he has at the cannot meet the mission. that is bs. >> cnn congressional correspondent jessica dean is on capitol hill. so the recommendations, and they are expansive, are now in the hands of congress. we're talking about close to 1,000 more capitol police officers, security, not just in the capitol but in home districts. but also a retractable and permanent fence ago rangement ar -- fencing arrangement around the capitol. how does this stand? >> you're talking about $2 billion and what the recommendations would add up. to right now there have been
discussions about it. we have heard from some republicans that they're pushing back on that number. it doesn't need to be that expansive, that expensive. though they do agree with parts of it. as with anything up here on capitol hill, you need bipartisan action on this to get something done. and so that is the big question. can they find some middle ground to act, to put some of the things into place to make sure that this capitol complex and also the people who work in it and by it are safe as possible. as far as the horrible incident that happened on friday, you see the check point behind me. that is pretty much back to normal. we have seen flowers, kind of a memorial pop-up here for officer billie evans. there are flowers to my left here that people have dropped off over the weekend as they really honor his sacrifice and celebrate his life after what happened on friday. but the question remains what
happens moving forward? that is the big question here. we have heard from a lot of lawmakers that they want to strike a balance between transparency, between openness which is what capitol hill is known for. constituents can come and see their elected congress members and their senators here. they can walk the halls. how do you maintain that? but also acknowledge that this has become a soft target. this is a target. and that it moneeds to be secur. i'm looking to my right as well. national guard members remain here. they're at the checkpoints. i walked in no morning, they were right there backing up capitol police. it is interesting to hear from that union president over the weekend, jim and poppy, not only what he said about the mission but that they are working double overtime here, capitol police officers that, some of them are looking around to go to other agencies. this is a very difficult job. they're making the argument. they need more resources to do it well. jim and poppy? >> and one of the other
recommendations is a permanent national guard quick reaction force or qrf as it's known to be on hand going forward. jessica dean, good to have you on the hill there. >> well, a blame game is now playing out in georgia. this after the major league baseball's decision to pull its all-star game out of the state in direct protest to the state's new restrictive voting law. >> republican governor brian kemp is now blaming who he calls partisan activists and counter culture. dianne gallagher joins us now. this blame game only intensified after major league baseball made a bold move to pull out the all star game. i think a big question now is what are other companies going to do given it's already law now in georgia? >> i think you hit the nail on the head, there poppy. a lot of activists said they would have appreciated some of this movement before the bill was signed into law. they think that these companies
could have used their influence and their money that they bring to the state to help change the bill before it became law. but, of course that, is now the past. and we're looking at the reaction of these companies that are based in georgia as well as major league baseball, pulling the all-star game out of the state of georgia because of the law. brian kemp staunchly defended this law and accused companies of not knowing what they're talking about. simply bowing to bowing to pressure as there was not anything they could do. he continued to blame though not necessary the companies but president biden and his former gubernatorial rival stacy abrams who, of course, is a voting rights activist and heads up fair fight which nationally leads this voting rights campaign across the country and specifically in georgia. here's what brian kemp said. i want you to hear what the atlanta mayor had to say
afterwards. >>. >> major league baseball put the wishes of stacy abrams and joe biden ahead of the economic well-being of hard-working georgian who's are counting on the all star game for a paycheck. >> i can't say that i like it. i certainly understand it. and it is really probably the first of many boycotts of our state to come. and the consequences of this bill are significant. >> i can't say that i like it but i understand it. a lot of democratic officials are looking at the money that the state is going to lose, jim, poppy, one more thing. coca-cola provided free products to state lawmakers there. some of the republican state lawmakers said coke, take your products out. coke has come out against this law. coca-cola said we're going to continue focusing on what we can do including federal legislation when it comes to voting rights.
>> yeah. well, dianne gallagher, good to have you following this. they seem to be happening every other day. >> yeah. thank you, dianne. minutes from now, a second week of testimony guns in the murder trial of ex-police officer derek chauvin. we'll bring that to you here. >> plus, new international travel guide monica lewinsky could be on the horizon in europe. we're going to be live in london next. my plaque psoriasis... ...the itching ...the burning. the stinging. my skin was no longer mine. my psoriatic arthritis, made my joints stiff, swollen... painful. emerge tremfyant™ with tremfya®, adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... ...can uncover clearer skin and improve symptoms at 16 weeks.
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classroom more safely. it doesn't stop there. evan mcmorris santo are. a reports in how one school district is investing stimulus money in its kids. >> we've always wanted to make this happen. so let's make it happen. >> as another challenging school year is am coming to an end, educators are cross the country, like tulsa public schools chief learning officer ebony johnson, are dreaming about the future. >> we've been through so much as a country through the pandemic. so to be able to get these dollars, it's exciting because we get to dream. so let's do. >> reporter: federal money is coming to districts within the next 60 days. the tulsa superintendent says it will help get schools back to where they were prepandemic and possibly make them better than they were. what does that mean? >> so for us, you know, in oklahoma, we do not invest adequately in public education. so this investment will allow us
to not only provide direct services to our children and families, but it's also going it help us to grow and expand. >> reporter: the $1.9 trillion stimulus bill approved by congress last month sets aside $129 billion for education. those dollars flow from washington across the country. and they are dispersed. district leaders divide it between all the schools. so some of it will land here at monroe demonstration academy middle school. >> being able to be back in person with social distancing and masks and desk shields is amazing to see kids get back into the groove of things. >> reporter: tulsa expects to get $128 million from the american rescue plan act over the next three years. that money is earmarked to not only get classrooms open but for some enrichment programs after schoolchild care, even a graduation boot camp.
free to all students. >> graduation is priority. and you still need one or two credits left to graduate and we need to help you get there. >> reporter: back at monroe, interim principal rob kaiser is excited about what this new money can do. >> every stunt can enroll in summer camp. >> do you get the feeling that kids are excited p going to school all summer? >> i do. this is a time where kids are going to come in and get academics done in the morning and then have opportunities for kids to explore interests, be around their friends, to be kids. >> reporter: nicholas lopez, an eighth grader is looking forward to graduation and starting high school. he says the newly funded programs at monroe could have a big impact on students like him. >> i hope it actually does go according to plan. i'd like it to happen. like, it's going to get us back to the way we were before the
pandemic. i don't know if i'm saying that right. >> reporter: school administrators are poised to execute their plan. >> it's our responsibility as educators at the school level to ensure that we're excellent stewards of the taxpayer dollars. >> reporter: and to ensure this funding can make a lasting impact beyond the short term. >> i'm a teacher, right? i'm more on the front lines of this and understanding how the budget is being lined out. and, you know, knowing what dollars are going where. that stuff can't happen without stimulus money. >> cnn, tulsa, oklahoma. lots of parents and kids certainly waiting. overseas to day, uk prime minminute boris johnston is going to lay out a plan for vaccine passports. they hope it test the program at live events in the coming weeks. let's go to our colleague in london. good morning, good afternoon to you.
there is a lot already of push back on this idea and this conversation about vaccine passports. and the plan is not even out yet. >> absolutely. we're watching europe go through another wave of covid-19. what happens when you get to the other side of the mountain of coronavirus? so the prime minister today making this big announcement announcing that international travel should be able to resume from may 17th. there is a traffic light system for all countries and then crucially, how do you resume the concerts, big conferences, huge events, sports events? how do you do that? the prime minister's plan is what they're calling a covid-19 status certification. you zrdescribed it as a vaccine passport. have you taun the vaccine? have you had a recent negative result? and do you have natural immunity? they want to test this out and pilot it with a few events across the uk including a huge soccer event at wembly stadium.
a comedy night in liverpool. and a few other events. controversy, dozens of mps signed a open letter saying this is going to be divisive. it's going to be discriminatory. there is concerns about civil liberties, about people's personal health who cannot take the vaccine. this is something the government promised up and down. they are not going to do. we're not going to do vaccine passports. now they're saying the reality is different. this is the way to open the country domestically. but the prime minister could be facing really tough opposition in parliament to get these measures across. poppy and jim? >> okay. thank you for the reporting live in london for us. hundreds of homes have been evacuated in florida. why? because a toxic waste water reservoir -- look how huge that is -- is in real danger of collapsing. we'll take you there next. with visible, you get unlimited data for as little as $25 a month. but when you bring a friend, you get a month for $5. so i'm bringing everyone within 12 degrees of me.
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welcome back, the trial just resuming in the case of derek chauvin, the killing of george floyd. this is the first whisk sworn iin let's listen in. >> as a doctor, i can tell you i had both my shots. we would like you to state your full name, spelling each of your names. >> sure. >> dr. bradford wankhede langenfeld. >> and we can just call you dr. langenfeld? that's fine. >> did you provide emergency care to the body, to george floyd after he was taken to hennepin county on the evening of may 25th? >> i did. >> objection. >> overruled. >> you are the physician who officially pronounced him dead
that night? >> that is correct, yes. >> were one of the physician who's tried to save his life? >> you objection. >> sustained. >> did you administer care to george floyd on may 25th, 2020? >> yes. >> what were you trying to do? >> we were trying to resuscitate mr. floyd. >> to save his life? >> correct. >> so why don't we learn a little bit about your background. were where are you currently employed? >> i'm currently working at a clinic and hospital up in grand rapids, minnesota. it's my primary practice. i also work in waconia, minnesota. >> and that is in carver county here? >> that's correct. >> grand rapids is several hours driving away from here? >> that's correct. >> why grand rapids?
>> i was born there. that's my hometown. >> also hometown of judy garland, isn't it? >> it is, yes. >> you are lunsed in emergency medicine? >> i have a minnesota state medical license and practice emergency medicine. >> would you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what is emergency medicine as a practice for a doctor? >> it's a very broad practice. but primarily involves taking care of patience suffering from critical ailments. critical ailments such as strokes, car accidents, other emergencies such as that. but also less emergent conditions, sore throats, urinary tract infections, things like that. >> when were you first licensed? >> may of 2020. >> would you tell the ladies and
gentlemen of the jury a little bit about your educational background? >> so i attended medical school at the university of minnesota twin cities. and then residency training at hennepin county medical center. >> when did you finish your rez den i >> last summer. >> did you have ever have occasion to testify in a court before? >> i have not. >> this is the first time? >> that's correct. >> let's go to monday, may 25th, 2020. last year. to memorial day. do you recall whether you were working that evening? >> i was, yes. >> where were you? >> i was in the emergency department. >> at the hennepi in. county medical center? >> that's correct. >> and what was your position or title there? >> that is one of the senior residents. we're involved with direct patient care including both
critical care and overseeing the junior residents. >> do you recall what time your shift began and ended? >> it began at about 1:00 p.m. that day and ended at approximately 11:00 p.m. >> and as senior resident, what was your role? >> my role is direct patient care. i work underneath attending physicians as a resident. >> did you also oversee any other residents? >> yes. >> which residents would have you overseen. >> more junior residents earlier in their residency training. >> now in terms of any -- was care administered to george floyd on may 25th? by your snefl. >> yes. >> who is the person primarily responsible then for george floyd's care in the hennepin county medical center department? >> i provided the majority of
direct patient care under supervision of dr. ashley strobel who is my attending physician at the time. >> were you the primary decision maker? >> i was. were you the person responsible for much of the direct patient care? >> yes. >> when mr. flooyd's body was brought in, would you describe it as an emergency situation? >> yes, absolutely. >> what was his condition in terms of his cardiac condition? >> he was in cardiac arrest. >> and does cardiac arrest mean that he had a heart attack or what does that mean? >> not -- >> objection. will. >> overruled. >> not necessarily. >> what does cardiac arrest technically mean? >> cardiac arrest is defined as su sud stop of blood flow to all tish ufz the body when the heart stops pumping, typically
evidence of absence of a pulse. >> in lay people's terms, if we with are to say the heart stopped, is that accurate? >> yes. >> what was your immediate objective when mr. floyd comes in and he's in cardiac arrest? what were you immediately trying to do? >> find a way to get the heart to pump on its own again. the primary goal in cases such as this is to achieve return of spontaneous circulation and part of that process involves trying to identify the cause of the arrest, to see if there is any reversible causes and continuing cpr and other life saving measures. >> time is of the essence? >> yes. >> how did you first learn that mr. floyd was being transported to the emergency department at the hennepin count qui medical
senter? >> i received -- we call it a zip it page. it is basically ems notification. >> now first tell us what ems is. >> emergency medical services. >> and a zip it is it essentially a text type message or what would you -- how would you describe a zip it? >> it's sort of like a, you know, incrypted text. >> what time did the zip it come in? >> i don't recall exactly. maybe around 8:50 p.m. >> what information was provided to you for his care and treatment by zip it? >> the information was that it was 30-year-old unidentified male who was in cardiac arrest. and that's as much as i can recall at this time. >> do you recall if any information was given to you as
to what may have happened to him ahead of time, before he got there to explain the cardiac arrest? >> not at the time, no the before he got there. not before he got there. >> did you know at the time he arrived that the patient was in fact george floyd? >> i did not. >> so you learned that at some point later, that it was george floyd? >> yes. >> did you also know at the time that there was a video or any videos that depicted what had happened to mr. floyd before he was transported to the hennepin county medical center on may 25th? >> no. >> objection. >> grounds? >> overruled. >> can you answer. were you aware of any vud yoez as to what may have happened before he arrived at the hennepin county medical center on may 25th? >> no. >> did you subsequently learn about videos?
>> yes. >> were you automobile to evaluate your assessments about george floyd in light of the videos? >> yes. we'll talk about those a little bit later. >> so when you received this zip it, what did you do in response to it? >> we prepared a bay in our stabilization room which is essentially a large room with a lot of critical care resources. we sort of prepped a team and got ready to take care of the patient when he arrived. >> do you recall roughly what time mr. floyd would have arrived in the emergency room? >> approximately 8:55 p.m. >> and when he arrived then, had cpr been stated? >> yes. >> any mechanical devices or
anything being used to help stabilize him? >> yes. there was a cpr device which is a basic will i a mechanical device that sits across the body with something that almost looked like a plunger and pushes against the chest to provide cpr or chest compressions. >> so the lucas device then was on mr. floyd when he arrived in at the hospital. >> correct. did you ever observe any point in time that his heart was beating on its own? >> not to a degree sufficient to sustain life. >> do you recall who brought mr. floyd into the emergency department? >> i do recall two paramedics. and possibly one or two other people. but i don't remember exactly. >> do you recall whether there were any police officers there