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what he saw who said he told his dad he was fine. i know you're not fine, hunter, he said, studying me, scanning the apartment. you need help. dad saved me when he knocked on my door, he jolted me out of whatever state i was in and saved me by making me want to save myself. left on my own, i was certain i would not have survived. that was dad. he never let me forget that all was not lost. now, unfortunately, that period of sobriety itdid not last that long and certainly the struggles have been there for many years. this shows this is still a family, this is a president that has been through a lot. a lot of tragedy. they show a lot of compassion to one another. >> all right. kate bennett, thank you so much. ♪ i'm pamela brown in washington. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. you are in the cnn newsroom on this saturday. thank you for joining us. and tonight our nation's capitol
is shaken. the u.s. capitol police force in mourning again. yesterday for the second time this year a violent attack has taken the life of a capitol police officer. william "billy" evans, an 18-year veteran of the force, a father of two, hailed by top members of congress as a hero and a martyr. the capitol flags right now are flying at half mast in his honor. a sight no one wished to see after the january 6th insurrection. let's get straight to capitol hill and cnn's pete monday teen. what are you learning about the suspect? >> reporter: we are learning more all the time as investigators are starting to dig no the past of 25-year-old noah green and what may have inspired him to attack the capitol here yesterday. what is so interesting are his social media posts. we have discovered an instagram account where he made a trio of posts leading up to yesterday's attack. he describes having suffered multiple home break-ins, food
poisonings, unauthorized operations and mind control. a second post, a meme, with the image showing the leader of the nation of islam. the text says, the u.s. government is the enemy of black people. a third post where green describes terrible afflictions by the cia and the fbi. now, green went to christopher new sport university in newport news, virginia, and he was a 2019 graduate. he played on the football team. and some of his fellow football players describe seeing posts like this, a recent facebook post a couple of weeks ago on march 17. one said, quote, he was going through some stuff for sure. now, no chance is being taken here when it comes to security. you can see the high perimeter fence. a that went up after tjanuary 6t. this morning more concrete barriers. this fortress getting more fortified around the capitol as this investing is just
beginning. >> thank you for bringing us the latest. and for more on security surrounding the capitol attack, i am joined by former boston police commissioner ed davis. he presided over the boston marathon bombing investigation and manhunt. and a cnn legal and national security analyst and former fbi special agent. thank you both for coming on to discuss this. unfortunately, we have to discuss this, right? the barbed-wire fencing that oc surrounded the capitol for months after the insurrection has come down. many national guard troops were sent down. what now? will this lead to increased security after yesterday's attack? >> pamela, i think that the capitol is potentially a target for a while now, especially given what we just heard about the motivations of this particular person. it sounded like he had a lot of conspiracy theories about the government. and those, while at one time they used to be very fringe, have been mainstreamed.
there is a good portion of the population who have grievances against the government and the capitol is a symbol, you know, of our democracy. and when people feel that it's delegitimized or causing things, you know, them harm, i think it could be a focal point for them. so i think that there is going to need to be some caution and precautions taken for the near future at least. what form that takes, i defer to the people on the ground. but it is going to be vulnerable for a little while. >> and i remember covering the boston bombing and the worry of law enforcement about copycat attacks, will others try to do this, too. how big of a concern is that right now in the wake of two attacks at the capitol? >> well, it's a huge concern, pam. i agree with the comments that my colleague mentioned. i will tell you that my fellow police chiefs always look at the
possibility of a copycat crime occurring. when there is a high-profile crime, we get prepared for a similar thing that may happen around the country. this isn't exactly a copycat crime, but it certainly is -- the capitol is a lightning rod right now, and anybody with grievances against the government can easily use this as a platform to become famous. and i think even though we have people that have serious mental health problems, part of that psychosis is to become known, go over in a blaze of glory, things like that. that's the thing that the capitol people have to worry about right now. >> and to expand on that, retired army lieutenant generousle hon ray was tasked to lead a review in the wake of january 6th, three weeks ago he wrote an op-ed for "the washington post" saying fences
around the capitol are just a temporary fix and without understanding the anti-government ideologies that view the capitol as a target, no amount of fencing will make the buildings safe. so how should security confront this without viewing barriers as sort of the be all, end all? >> well, i think what he is suggesting is that we have to look at the reasons why people are doing this. if they overwhelm -- i mean, you can take as many security precautions as byou want. at some level there will be vulnerabilities unless you make it into a fortress dome or something that can be overwhelmed or penetrated. so one thing i would say is what is driving these people? there are narratives out there that the people who work in the capitol are not legitimate, that they shouldn't be there, they are governing illegally. these have been mainstreamed by other members of congress.
one step that can be taken would to be to diffuse the situation, to stop these narratives from, you know, promulgating. >> how do you stop that? how do you stop those narratives when you have misinformation going rampant online? >> well, people who have a lot of visibility, people who have power, people who understand and know better need to be the ones to state that we can disagree about policy, about how to get from a to b, but, you know, everyone is there to, you know, to have that debate in a democratic way. unfortunately, that's not what's being promoted right now, i think, by some, you know, people in government, some officials. that's where i think it should start. ed, to that point, and to expand on that, so much of this is also political, right? i mean, when the razor wire fencing was up, was still up,
many lawmakers were growing frustrated with the continued security measures. march 10 mitch mcconnell said, quote, i think we've overdone it. after yesterday's attack, what would be your message to lawmakers who are anxious to get back to a sense of normalcy? >> well, i think everybody wants to do that, pam, but the issue here is when is it safe? when is the information and intelligence such that we believe there has been a lessening of tension? that hasn't been the case. there have been people that have been, you know, pushing false narratives, and we need an adult in the room at the capitol. we need to have someone calm things down. i think that that's changed dramatically recently, but there is still this ongoing mentality that the enemy is within. as long as people push that fringe players, people with psych problems, people with
grievances are going to be a threat, and, unfortunately, officer billy evans paid the ultimate price this week because of that dynamic. and i think that officials have to look at their conduct and examine how much of a role their statements have played in motivating someone like this to come in and do what he did. this is exactly what isis promulgated when they were attempting to increase terrorism here in the united states. activating fringe people to attack the government. tragically, this is coming from within our own system. >> and our thoughts and our prayers are with that fallen officer. thank you so much. >> thank you. and almost every state lawmakers are pushing bills that could refrikt voting. coming up, michigan secretary of state joycelyn benson joins me. she is deal with several bills
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the nationwide effort by republicans to place tougher restrictions on voting. the g.o.p.-led state senate advance add bill to ban drop boxes, limit early voting hours and give more power to poll watchers to videotape voters they deem suspicious. texas is one of the a handful of states that doesn't universally use ballots that leave a little paper trail but can be audited. one of the simplest lines of defense against voter fraud. according to "the new york times," if this form of the bill passes, it will make sure that they don't use such ballots for another five years likely making texas the last state to adopt this change. if this was really about election security, you would think that would be the first improvement they would make. republicans like texas state senator brian hughes keeps using a seemingly harmless refrain to justify these measures.
>> he want to have trust in the ballot box. we want to make sure that people know when they vote, their vote will be counted and counted accurately. every vote should count and every voter should know that their vote will be counted. >> so the implication here is that before this legislation some votes weren't counted or didn't count. that's just not true. votes were counted. counted accurately and in record numbers in the 2020 election. no major fraud was found, not by federal officials, not by state officials, not by recounts, hand counts or audits in republican-led states like arizona and georgia. governors of the party touted the integrity of their elections. according to conservative heritage foundation site on voter fraud, it occurred at a rate of less than 0.001% since 1908. the false premise of voter fraud is simply a republican marketing campaign centered on fear. and the campaign is only gaining
steam. the liberal-leaning brennan center for justice finds that 361 bills with provisions that restrict voting have been introduced in 47 states. a 43% rise compared to a month prior. now, democrats in congress argue the for the people act is a necessary counterweight to these state-level measures, and they are using fair, too. president biden has used a specific line of attack on the new georgia law. >> it's sick. deciding in some states that you cannot bring water to people standing in line waiting to vote, deciding that you are going to end voting at 5:00 when working people are just getting off work. >> you are going to close the polling place at 5:00 when working people just get offer? this is all about keeping working folks and ordinary folks that i grew up from being able to vote. >> now, for the record, it is still a crime in georgia to hand
water to someone in line to vote, and it's more than fair to raise concerns about measures in the new law, but the timing isn't one of them in terms of when you can vote. on election day in georgia polls are open to 7:00 p.m. same as before. on early voting days polls are open to 5:00 p.m., same as before. the new law let's counties extend voting to 7:00 p.m. if they want to. well, another state facing a push by republicans to increase voting restrictions is michigan. the g.o.p.-kproeld legislature introduced 39 bills saying it was about election integrity. the governor is likely to veto any measure that passes. but state law allows republicans to gather petition signatures to override a veto. joining me now is michigan's democratic secretary of state joycelyn benson. thank you for coming on the show. first off, the basic question here to lay the groundwork, was the 2020 in michigan safe and secure? >> yes, it was. it wasn't only safe, secure and
accessible. it was one of the most safe and secure elections that we have t this in our state's history pa marked by a record number of citizens on both sides of the aisle voted and had great confidence that their votes counted. it's particularly ironic instead of celebrating that and codifying what worked so well in 2020, we're -- or lawmakers in michigan are doing the opposite and dismantling the very policies that were so successful in 2020. >> and be more specific on that. what are they dismantling that was so successful in 2020? what measures worry you the most? >> one of the success stories of 2020 was that verizon had options on how to-class their ballots p get their ballots and return their ballots and those options were safe and secure and successful. for example, voters could vote absentee without a reason. they had a right to so in our state constitution. some of these new proposals would make it impossible for
voters to get an absentee ballot and also return it through, for example, a secure drop box. not only that. and one of the most pernicious aspects of the policies to me is they wouldn't only dismantle a lot of the ways that citizens can get and return ballots. would consolidate precincts leading to potentially long lines from voters who vote in person and ban efforts by my office to educate voters about any of these changes, which is again a key part of making sure voters know that their options to vote and how to make sure their votes count. it's a number of policies that stack up to make it harder to vote in michigan and to confuse voters about how to get their ballots and return them securely and successfully. >> given your role in electionsen the 2020 in particular, have republican lawmakers reached out to you for recommendations on election administration or to discuss what worked in last's election to formalize those measures? >> there is a lot of data that
shows whorked. we released a plan that basically looks at the data and finds ways to codify what worked and to find ways of improvement. we are focused on that. increasing security, increasek the support in resources we provide the election administrators and ensuring we continue to increase access to the vote. so that's the other irony here, is that all this chatter, all this work to dismantle what worked so well in 2020 is coming at the expense of an opportunity we have right now to actually improve democracy, to learn from our successes of the past and build on them for the future. so the solutions are there. all the data backs up that these solutions are good for voters on both sides of the aisle. one of the many disappointing things about this moment is that we are not having that conversation. instead, we are talking about how to protect against the dismantling of what works and protect against voter suppression. >> so if the legislation passes, do you think michigan republicans will be able to get enough support 340,000
signatures to override a whitmer veto? >> it's possible. certainly that's part of the process in our state. but there are other aspects as well. for example, voters enacted in the state constitution in 2018 a right to vote absentee. and any policies that would dismantle that right or infringe on that right may be unconstitutional under our state constitution. the work is going to continue. the bottom line is we will use every tool to protect access to the vote in michigan. >> before we go, as you know, the chairman of the michigan gop recently referred to you and your two female colleagues at the top of the state government as three witches who need to be ready for burning at the stake. you have already reacted, but this isn't just some online troll. this one of the top republican party officials in the country. what does that say to you about the state of the political discourse and the state of the g.o.p.? >> it says a number of things. importantly, this isn't a
one-off. this wasn't an offhanded statements. this is the type of rhetoric we have heard for over a year in our state and it's going to lead, as it has potentially in the past, to violent acts. all the research shows that violent words and rye lent rhetoric from leaders can lead to violent acts from followers. that's no coincidence that we have seen a kidnapping attempt against our governor. people lining outside of my home in the middle of the night in december to, you know, call on me to come out and face them to, you know, potentially who knows what end. so we are at a state, in a moment in michigan and across the country where every leader needs to do away with this violent rhetoric, recognize the potential for it to lead to violent acts and, instead, tamp down the rhetoric, be civil in our discourse and come up with solutions that we can embrace together across the aisle to improve notice just democracy, but the other problems we need to solve together as a country. >> okay. michigan secretary of state joycelyn benson, thank you for coming on the show.
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well given the circumstances. >> we have seen several bystanders who were really emotional on the stand. they said that they felt guilt for not doing more, for not being able to help george floyd. what did you think about that? and what is your message to them? >> yes, i have thought about that myself several times. i mean, in a situation like that, you don't know that if you help, you it don't know whether you are helping a person who is dying or helping a person who is just going to go to jail and you, yourself, could end up going to jail or dying. it's a very, very difficult thing to think about and i understand how they could feel the way they feel. i would just say that they all need to understand that it wasn't their fault. it was derek chauvin's fault. they shouldn't live or internalize that kind of pain. >> well, we heard the sound of other officers. you heard the sound there of the minneapolis homicide officer describing that neck restraint is totally unnecessary. earlier in the week chauvin's former supervisor also said it
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it may seem like there is conflicting information out there. you can travel if you are vaccinated but you still need to wear a mask. dr. anthony fauci said hang on, normality is coming. >> i can't give you a day or a week, but i can tell you as we get more data showing that it is going to be extremely unlikely that people will transmit it, you will be seeing recommendation that is people are not going to have to wear masks. they are not there yet, but they are getting there. same way with the travel. saying now you can travel. when you travel, you don't have to get tested before and after except if your destination demands that. you don't have to get quarantined when you come back from a situation. so more and more you are going to start seeing the advantages of getting vaccinated, whereas before, you're right, people ask a question, if there is nothing different, why do we node to get vaccinated? there is a good one. one, you are protecting yourself and you very unlikely will get sick, but also it will give you
a freedom of getting back to some degree of normality. and that's coming, jim. trust me. it's coming. >> it's coming. we will hold you to that, dr. fauci. there is promising news this weekend the covid-19 vaccine front. pfizer says clinical test results show its vaccine is 100% effective in children 12 to 15 years old. the results have yet it be peer reviewed, but experts hope this could mean a safer return to in-person learning this fall. so what is it like for the kids enrolled in these trials? let's ask one of them. emma kate is 13 years old. she joins me with her mom betsy. baltimore health commissioner lena nguyen has been participating in the johnson & johnson vaccine trials. thank you for coming on. looking forward to this conversation. emma kate, to you first, what made you decide to participate in the trials? were you nervous at all? >> i wanted to help kids get vaccinated. and i wasn't nervous because i
studied mrna at school and i'm used to getting vaccinated for flu. >> you studied mrna in school. that's impressive. we will talk about your experience in just a moment. dr. nguyen, you just found out that you got the placebo. tell us what it was like for you and finding out you got the placebo and then you just got vaccinated, right? >> right. so i am in the johnson & johnson two-dose version of the trial. so the johnson & johnson version that has been approved is one dose, but they are looking to see if two doses gives you better protection. so i previously received two doses of something. i had a 50% chance of getting the placebo or the vaccine, and on wednesday i found out that i was actually in the placebo arm. i was actually surprised because i thought that, you know, i had side effects in the past and maybe that is the placebo effect. but i was able to get the vaccine on wednesday. you feel fine, minimal arm soreness, and i feel really
grateful to be a part of the study. i am still a part of the study. now i am in the one-dose arm of the trial, compared to those with the two doses. i will be in the trial for the next two years. >> all right. so betsy, back to you on enrolling your daughter. what conversations did you have with emma kate about participating in the trials? was it an easy decision to make? did you agonize over it? bring us into what that was like for you guys. >> it was really easy decision to make. she expressed interest in wanting to get vaccinated through the clinical trials when it was first announced that they were going to start the children's trials. then i got sick with covid and she got really very, very persuasive about entering the trial to the point i called study sites and got her enrolled. but it was a no-brainer for us. we absolutely wanted to support her in getting vaccinated because we want our younger child to be vaccinated as well as all of their friends. >> so, emma kate, so interesting.
you were the one advocating, going to your parents saying, hey, i want to enroll in this trial. so what was it like for you once you enrolled? what was the experience like? was it like what you thought it would be? >> i wasn't sure what it would be like, but i went and got my first shot and then three weeks later i got the second one. >> and you had to get blood drawn, too, right? >> yeah. >> okay. that's the part that i would have a hard time with. dr. wen, you are a new mother. how did that weigh on the decision to participate in the trials? >> yeah, actually, as i'm sitting here watching and listening to you, i think you are both wonderful and emma kate, thank you for being a part of this. so often we think about the people who are helping to end this pandemic as the scientists who -- and they absolutely have to take a bow and they have done incredible work in helping us to get these vaccines that are going to help us to end the
pandemic. but we won't end it unless we have tens of thousands of volunteers for each of these clinical trials. and so for me, that's what was weighing on my mind. i was thinking about i really wanted to do everything that i could to end this pandemic, and i am sure for emma kate that's what you were trying to do, too. kudos to you for choosing to participate. >> yeah, we need all of these participants. especially kids because kids are important, too. dr. wen, in terms of ending this pandemic, how important is it to vaccinate kids and to reach herd immunity? >> yeah, two reasons why kids should get the vaccine. one is that we want our children to be protected, too. we now have these fantastic vaccines. it would not be right for children to be denied the benefit of the vaccines. that's why we need participant in the clinical trials so that we are able to make sure that vaccines are safe and effective in our children. but the other reason is that kids and young people constitute a large percentage of our
population. so it's going to be really difficult for us to reach herd immunity unless children are not also vaccinated. again, making sure that the vaccines that we give, of course, are safe and effective, but if we cannot do that, it will be very difficult for us to get to the end of this covid nightmare. >> so hearing that, emma kate, how does that make you feel to know that you are playing such a big role, such an important role in helping to end this pandemic? >> it makes me feel like i could help make a difference and help get closer to the end of this pandemic because everyone's been struggling with the pandemic and having to do stuff like wearing masks. but the fact that i could be helping get closer to the end of that makes me feel like i could make a difference. >> and you are making a difference. betsy, finally, to you, what would you tell parents who might be nervous about getting their
children vaccinated? >> well, certainly recognize that it's everyone's personal choice whether or not to get take have a vaccine or vaccinate their children. this vaccine represents some really amazing and cool solid science, and from our experience in the clinical trial the benefits outweigh the risks. >> well, betsy, emma kate, dr. wen, you all are all an inspiration. thanks for sharing your stories, being a part of these clinical trials for vaccines to end this pandemic. we appreciate it. and make sure you check out dr. wen's new book "lifelines a doctor's journey in the fight for public health." so we'll be reading that. a year ago, peter woolard was beginning the fight of his life. a front line medical worker in new orleans. peter tested positive for covid-19 op march 31, 2020. first the fever, his kidneys fell and he was intubated.
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neighboring eerie tria -- the prime minister admitted what eyewitnesss and victims have been saying for so long, that soldiers were responsible for atrocities despite denials. now cnn in collaboration with amnesty international has investigated a gruesome video circulating on social media that shows soldiers carrying out executions of unarmed men. the video you're about to watch is disturbing. >> reporter: we are watching footage filmed by a soldier turned whistleblower now in hiding. this video was obtained by a media organization based in the u.s. the video you're watching will show these ethiopian soldiers
execute these men, a war crime. the ethiopian government has waged war for the last five months with the help of neighboring eretria. ethiopia has implied the atrocities are mainly eretria's doing. we know that's not true. examining details of the stitching, color and camouflage patterns, military experts confirmed to us that the uniforms match those of the ethiopian army. in addition the soldiers are speaking the official language of the ethiopian army distinct from the local. we know it's in central tigray.
this verifies that location through spatial analysis. you can see the mountain range matches the footage. the captors were moved from where you saw them sitting to here, 1.7 clkilometers away. we know that because the video was tracked and mapped and key geographical features were matched. by pinpointing the location, cnn was able to speak to local villagers, who confirmed their family members were dragged away by ethiopian soldiers and have not been seen since. some believe their loved ones are in this video. you can hear soldiers asking the whistleblower to come closer. the wording here is important. execution. this is premeditated. they've rounded up these men to kill them. we must warn you what you are
about to see is horrifying. shoot them in the head, he says, and they do. look at the left of your screen. the man shoots. we paused the video just before his victim falls to the ground. and again another soldier raises his weapon towards the man in the white scarf. the video cuts out, but the next scene tells you what happened to him, to all of them. the soldiers continue to shoot, making sure that there are no survivors. what you are witnessing is an extra judicial execution. we counted at least 34 young men at the beginning of this video. all are now presumed dead. their bodies casually flung over the ridge. no attempt to hide what has been
done here, no apparent fear of consequences. their actions are so appalling, we can only show individual frames from the video. but it doesn't stop here. you can hear someone saying, "check that one, that one is not dead, kill him or i will come." the same soldier moves further along the ridge and shoots from close range as other soldiers watch on. much of the region remains under ethiopian government blackout but cnn and amnesty international were able to speak to local villagers and family members, who told us that at least 39 men remain missing from the village. one man was able to watch the video and confirmed to us that his brother is among the dead depicted here. family members continue to search for their loved ones, but have been unable to reach this remote area. their wish to respectfully bury
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