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welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. today we saw new body camera video of paramedics attempting to revive george floyd. and we heard firsthand from two of those medics who tried to save floyd's life. seth bravender testified that floyd appeared to be motionless, not breathing, and multiple officers were still on top of
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him. the medic said when he started to load floyd's body into the ambulance, floyd's body was limp. today we heard from george floyd's girlfriend of three years. she testified about both of their struggles with opioid addiction, drug use that the defense will claim was partially responsible for floyd's death as cnn's omar jimenez reports. some of the images you're about to see are disturbing. the moments when paramedics arrived for george floyd in may 2020 are coming into clear focus. paramedic seth bravender and derek smith responded to the scene and arrived to an unresponsive floyd. smith, seen here checking floyd for vitals. >> i did not detect a pulse. >> what did his condition to appear to be to you? overall. >> in lay terms, i thought he was dead. >> reporter: the checking began while now former officer derek chauvin still had his knee on
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floyd's neck before bravender stepped in. what were you attempting to do at that point in time? >> just have the officer move. >> why did you need the officer to move? >> so we could move the patient. because he was -- i guess limp would be the best description. >> he testified a cardiac monitor showed floyd's heart had flat lined. >> the heart isn't really doing anything at that moment. >> reporter: during cross examination the defense asked about whether overdose patients can regain consciousness and be aggressive. >> have you personally seen that happen? >> yes. >> reporter: drug use was the center of how tearful testimony began thursday. courtney ross, george floyd's girlfriend of three years took the stand. while emotional throughout, her testimony centered largely on her and george floyd's addiction to opioids. >> classic story of how many people get addicted to opioids.
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>> did he have sports injuries he complained of? >> yes, his neck. from his neck to shoulder blade and down his lower back. >> reporter: the defense for derek chauvin is trying to make the case drugs in his system killed him, not chauvin's knee to the neck. when it was their turn to question ross, they asked about an emergency trip to the hospital floyd had just two months before his death. >> did you later learn that was due to an overdose? >> yes. >> objection. >> did you learn what that -- what caused that overdose? >> no. >> at that timeframe did you learn that mr. floyd was taking anything other than opioids? >> no. >> okay. >> you did not know he had taken heroin at that time? >> no. >> reporter: she testified days before he died, floyd was using again but never complained of shortness of breath or difficulty breathing. >> had mr. floyd been an active
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person physically? >> yes. he was very active. >> reporter: and court is on a break right now. recently we've been listening to testimony from minneapolis fire captain jeremy norton who got to the scene shortly after paramedics started working on floyd. he said he recognized the off-duty firefighter, genevieve hanson who helped fill him in on what happened. they had to place a device on floyd to breathe for him. when asked if anyone ever found a pulse, he said no. >> let's discuss with our panel. one of the paramedics who treated george floyd testified when he arrived on the scene that there must have still been a struggle going on because the officers were on top of mr. floyd. then he said he could tell from a distance that george floyd was unresponsive, wasn't even breathing from his view. the why is that important?
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>> it's powerful testimony in the prosecution's bid to set these building blocks that derek chauvin's actions were extreme. he said when he arrived, he saw george floyd was limp and possibly dead. you had all these police officers right there on top of george floyd. it just raises the question in the jury's mind, how could they not have known? why weren't they doing anything about the fact that floyd was clearly nonresponsive if not dead at that moment. >> listen to one of the paramedics describing why the paramedics did not treat george floyd on the scene, instead loading him into the ambulance and relocating. >> you and your partner decided to do what's called a load and go, right? >> to get into the ambulance, yes. >> right. and to leave. >> to move -- we didn't leave. we moved to a different location, yes.
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>> right. and that was out of concern because of the people that were around, right? and the general atmosphere at the scene at that point? >> yes. that was a part of it, yes. >> this seems to be part of the defense team's argument that the police officers on the scene, they were the ones who felt threa threatened. >> yeah. that's the only thing they can keep coming back to. the problem is that the video itself tells a very different story. it's a relatively small crowd of people. you would think if there were 10,000 people at the capitol doing some horrific stuff, you had a relatively small handful of people who were very upset because of what they had been describing all week as just a horror show of a man being tortured to death. but nobody is throwing bricks, nobody throwing bottles.
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the cops are not calling for more police to come out. in fact, if the crowd had been that aggressive, they would have gotten off of george floyd to get into a defensive posture for themselves. they're trying to throw these little seeds of doubt out there, but it doesn't add up. you have to hope nobody on the jury falls for it. >> jennifer, the prosecution had mr. floyd's girlfriend talk in depth about not just the relationship but their drug use and the didn't types of pills they took. i know the prosecution is trying to head off arguments by the defense that those drugs and mr. floyd's prior health conditions are what killed him, not officer chauvin. do you think that was a risky move at all by the prosecution to introduce this evidence that he was a drug addict? >> i don't think so, jake. they're trying to, as you said, draw this in. you don't ever want to have a
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got cha moment. they will try to put up front all this negative information about george floyd. it will come front and center when we talk about causation, which will come in the next few days. they're not going to be able to get away from it. better to get it out there, explain to the jury what it was all about. i think nowadays with the way we've seen the opioid epidemic over the last few years, jurors will not be as negative about that. they'll be more understanding. having the girlfriend explain how it all happened, how they both struggled with it, and letting her tell the jury about george floyd and his struggles, humanizes him in a way that while maybe not helpful on the drug front, at least isn't as harmful as it could otherwise be. >> that struck me, too. van, the conversation about addiction shifted in recent years from a criminal issue to a public health issue, there's a racial component here that books and half of chapelle's act focuses on. the truth is that the country
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has much greater awareness theoretically of what addiction to opioids means. but there's really no telling how this jury is going to take that information. >> there really isn't. it is, in fact, the case that there are enough people now who know someone or have the experience, you know, somebody gets to get a tooth pulled, all of a sudden they have a hard time getting off of opioids. certainly people with sports injuries. so, you know, i think that for better or for worse, fair or unfair, i do think that america's put the opioid addiction in a different category than other forms of addiction. and that could play out well for george floyd's family. but you just never know. some people have a zero tolerance. if you're addicted to anything, you must be a bad person. you only need one person that has that kind of a mindset on the jury to give you a bad outcome here. >> that's all the defense needs. one person. van, jennifer, thanks to both of you. appreciate it. we'll get back to the trial of
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and took risks. big risks. bring your family history to life, like never before. get started for free at the parents of a u.s. marine corps veteran locked up in russia are putting new faith in the biden administration to help get their son back safely to u.s. soil. 29-year-old trevor reed has been in a russian prison for almost two years now secretly transferred last month from one facility to another. communication with his parents has been cut off. all this started in 2019 when reed traveled to russia to visit his girlfriend. after a night out partying reed found himself in a russian jail accused of assaulting two police officers. his parents say trumped up charges led to a nine-year sentence behind bars. his parents joins us now. thank you very much for taking the time to share the story with
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us. have you heard from your son since he was moved to a new detention facility last month? >> yes, we talked with him this morning. he was able to make a short phone call. >> and how is he doing? >> he's healthy right now. he's just -- you know, emotionally he's obviously concerned he'll be there for another eight years. but otherwise he's doing okay. >> and you believe that trevor's former job in the marines has something to do with why russia is so adamant on keeping him in custody? tell us about that. >> yes, sir. first of all, he is innocent. there were witnesses that said what the police said was a lie. the traffic camera video showed that the police lied. and it was from inside the police car and the police station footage was denied to the defense. it was clear to everyone that it was a fake charge.
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trevor's military background is why we believe he was held. the fsb came to the police station that morning and interrogated him, asking him nothing but about his military career. we've not spoken about his military career in russia or here, but we think it's time that we speak out about his career. in boot camp, marine boot camp, he joined the infantry but was selected for the presidential support program and became known what's known as a presidential guard. he was assigned marine barracks washington, d.c. and then camp david, presidential retreat. and he was hon orably discharge after five years. we believe this is one of the main reasons he was held by the russians and then given the longest prison sentence of anyone in russia in 21 years for this charge. he never hurt anyone. never intended to hurt anyone.
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it's completely bogus. >> also that was during the obama administration. >> paula, how are you doing with all of this? i can't imagine you've had any sleep in two years. >> yes. basically i do have a lot of sleepless nights. so certain days i'm hardly able to function because of sleep deprivation. sometimes just from extreme worry. you know, all day long i worry about trevor. mostly i worry about the time that's being taken away from him. the time he's been in there. it's some of the best years of his life. so it is hard. it's hard to deal with. >> since the biden administration has come into office, i'm told you have been in touch with the secretary of state, antony blinken. what did he have to say? >> he said he was going to work hard, of course, to bring trevor home at every opportunity they could. discuss bringing trevor home
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from the russians and they would give us transparency. keep us in the loop about what they're doing, what they planned to do. and we were pleased to hear that. >> i understand you spent the better part of last year in russia trying to be there for your son. this entire ordeal has had to be so draining on your family, not just financially but emotionally as well. >> yes, sir. i spent over 13 months in russia on two different trips working with the attorneys and the embassy to try and work through the russian legal system, which we've finally realized is not a judicial system, it's a punishment system. everybody who gets into that system is considered guilty. it's just a matter of how long your sentence will be. in his case he was put there we believe by the fsb and that's how the case went.
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so it's been draining on us, you know, emotionally and financially. but we're doing all right. we're hanging in there. just fighting for our son. we want the american public to know about him and maybe elevate his case with the white house. >> let's make sure that president biden and president putin know about this and know that we are paying attention and that trevor reed deserves to come home. paula and joey reed, thank you very much for your time. stay in touch. we'll have you back. hopefully there won't be much of a need to, but we'll stay on the case with you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. the trial of derek chauvin has resumed. right now a retired off icer wih the minneapolis police is testifying. >> strikes any injury or claimed injury by the party. >> so, when an officer uses
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for force, a patrol officer and you're their supervisor, there's circumstances where they have to report it to you and circumstances where they don't, is that right? >> that's correct. >> there's some circumstances where they have to write a report, and somewhere they do not. >> right. >> are you familiar with use of force reporting requirements 5-036? >> i have to read the headline of it to get it. >> i'll show you what's been marked for identification as exhibit 221. 5-306. can you read the title there? >> use of force requirements. >> can i introduce you? your honor, at this time, the state offers exhibit 221. >> let's go to sidebar for a second
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. welcome back to "the lead." the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin is continuing. let's listen in. >> i'd like to talk to you about another policy. if i could pull up exhibit 225. are you familiar with minneapolis police officer policy governing use of the maximum restraint technique or hobble? >> yes. >> this is a vhigh-level -- can you explain what a hobble is? >> a device used to restrain someone's hands and feet to keep them from kicking or acting aggressively. >> is this used in a situation where someone is handcuffed? >> yes. >> the hands are restrained. how would the feet be
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restrained? >> they would be hooked together with the hobble. the end of the hobble often ran through the belt or somewhere in the waist to prevent them from kicking. >> that was my next question. that's the purpose to prevent the kicking of a restrained suspect, is that right? >> yes. >> the hobble or the maximum restraint technique requires supervisory reporting, is that right? >> it does. if you would highlight section v vi-iii. you can see by policy a supervisor shall be called to the scene where a suspect that been restrained using the mrt or hobble. >> yes. >> as a supervisor you would have to go and evaluate whether the hobble was properly and necessarily used, is that right?
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>> yes. >> and then if you could highlight section "b" on that same page. after a upon hobble is used on individual, and typically when a hobble is used, it means the person has been placed in a prone position, is that right? >> yes. >> at least initially to get the hobble on. >> yes. >> can you explain to the jury what the prone position is? >> basically flat on your stomach on the ground. >> okay. >> once a hobble is used to restrain the hands and the feet and the subject is in the prone position, what does the policy require an officer to do? >> put them in the side recovery position. what is the side recovery position? >> basically roll them up on their side to ease their breathing rather than leave them laying on their stomach or chest. >> do you know why that's important? >> it's -- well, it helps them breathe better.
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rather than having all the weight on their chest, it gets them on their side so they can breathe easier. >> are you familiar with the term positional asphyxia? >> yes. >> how are you familiar with that term? >> we've had it in training, mpd. >> how long have you personally been aware of positional asphyxia? >> a lot of years. 10, 15. >> okay. and based on your experience as a minneapolis police officer, are the dangers of positional asphyxia generally known throughout the department? >> yes, i believe so. >> that's something officers are trained on? >> correct. >> when we talk about positional asphyxia, at a high level, could you explain what positional asphyxia is? as you've been trained. >> if you restrain somebody or leave them on their chest and stomach for too long, their breathing can become compromised. so you would want to get them
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out of is that position after a while so they don't cuffer breathing complications. >> and that's why the policy requires the training that you roll someone on to the side recovery position? >> yes. >> are you aware of whether or not people are allowed to be transported in the prone position? restrained? >> i believe they should be transported in the recovery position. >> okay. and when you talk about the need to roll someone into the recovery position to alleviate breathing, you're talking about a situation where the pressure is from the subject's own body weight. is that right? >> that could be, yes. >> that does not necessarily include additional pressure that might be applied? >> correct. >> so the danger is there without anyone pressing down on them. >> yes.
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>> you can take that down, please. were you working as a sergeant, supervisor in the 3rd precinct in may of 2020? >> yes. >> at that time, what were your duties as a patrol sergeant? >> as i explained before, report approval, monitor the shift for the night, roll call. any use of force reporting. >> again, you were working the mid watch shift, is that right? >> yes. >> may 25, 2020, were you also working as a shift sergeant? >> i was. >> i'm going to ask you if you're familiar with an individual named derek chauvin? >> i am. >> chauvin. i apologize. how are you familiar with this person? >> he was an officer on my shift. >> how long had you known him? >> probably since around 2008. >> so he was already working as
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an officer when you were hired? >> i don't think he was when i was hired. >> okay. >> he was on my shift, yes. >> he was on your shift. >> correct. >> do you recognize mr. chauvin in the courtroom today? >> i do. >> would you please point to him? >> right there. >> may the record reflect the witness has identified the defendant. could you please describe your relationship with mr. chauvin? >> he was an officer on middle watch with me. i will say probably 2008. so he had been there a number of years. >> strictly a working relationship? >> correct. >> did you ever socialize with him outside of a work setting? >> no. >> are you familiar with an individual named tau?
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>> i am. >> how long did you know him? >> approximately five years. >> do you have a similar relationship with mr. tau as you do the defendant? >> yes. >> i need to ask you about thomas lane and alexander king. do you recognize those names? >> i do they were new officers on my shift. >> were you on duty around 8:30 p.m., may 25, 2020? >> yes. >> what were you doing at that time? >> i think i headed back into the office after doing some patrol in the street. >> when you do patrol work, do you use a body camera? >> i do. >> that's something required of all officers including supervisors, is that right? >> correct. >> do you have different means of communicating with the police officers that you supervise and dispatch when you're out on patrol? >> yes. >> what do you use?
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>> radio and cell phone. >> do you recall approximately 8:30 p.m. receiving a telephone call from a dispatcher? >> i do. >> what was the dispatcher's name? >> i believe jena scurry. >> can you describe for the jury what ms. scurry said to you in this telephone call? >> she called to say she didn't mean to be a snitch, but she had seen something -- well, viewing a camera that she thought was concerning. was calling to let me know about it. >> at this time i'll ask to publish exhibit 10 .
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i apologize. exhibit 12. >> hey, this is jena. >> what's up? >> i wanted to let you know about a person with a knife at 2102 bloomington. you can call me a snitch if you want me to, we have the cameras for 320s call. >> what number? >> 320 at cup foods. >> okay. >> i don't know if they had to use force or not. they got something out of the back of the squad, all of them sat on this man. so i don't know if they needed to or not. they haven't said anything to me yet. >> they haven't said anything. >> okay. >> i'll find out. >> no problem. we don't get to ever see it, so when we see it, we're like, well -- >> okay. >> that looks different. >> thank you. >> bye. >> bye.
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>> sir, did you recognize your own voice in that telephone call? >> yes, that was me. >> you made a reference to possibly not counting. can you please explain to the jury what that means? >> i thought maybe she was describing that they had taken somebody to the ground, placed them on the ground, that wasn't something that would trigger me out for use of force. since she wasn't sure i had to make a call to find out. >> per the policy, if it was just a takedown that would not necessarily be reportable to a supervisor, is that right? >> correct. >> had you ever received a call like this from a dispatcher before? >> not in those exact terms, but a few other times dispatchers have called me if they saw something that concerned them. >> okay. >> so based on that call, did you decide to make some further inquiry? >> i did. >> what did you do? >> i called officer chauvin on his cell phone. >> and at this time, i'd ask to
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publish exhibit 75. >> 230 here. >> yeah. i was just going to call you and have you come out to our scene here. um, not really. we had to hold a guy down. he was -- was going crazy, wouldn't go in back of the squad -- >> all right. [ inaudible ] >> yes, your honor. >> thank you. >> sir, do you recognize the voice in that call? >> yes. >> whose voice was that? >> officer chauvin. >> that was a conversation, at least his end of the conversation as you recall it on
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that date you just described? >> yes. >> he made a reference to shutting off. can you explain to what that was in reference to. >> i probably ask him if he had his camera on or off. >> that would be within the body wear camera to shut it off during that conversation? >> yes. >> all right. can you describe as best as you can recall the conversation that you had with the defendant after the audio cut? >> i'm going to object. hearsay. >> can you ask the question again? >> yes, your honor. can you emplplease describe the conversation with the defendant or the statements the defendant made to you during the rest of that call? >> overruled. >> i believe he told me that they had had -- tried to put mr. floyd -- i didn't know his name
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at the time. mr. floyd into the car. he had become combative. i think he mentioned that he had injured -- either his nose or his mouth, a bloody lip, i think. and eventually after struggling with him, he suffered a medical emergency and an ambulance was called and they headed out of the scene. >> is that the extent of what you can remember the defendant telling you about this incident? >> i think that was basically it. >> did he tell you whether he personally applied any particular type of force or restraint to mr. floyd? >> i don't believe so. >> did he tell you whether or not he had to or other officers had to pin mr. floyd to the ground? >> i think in the conversation there he said something about held somebody down. >> did he mention anything about putting his knee on mr. floyd's neck or back? >> no.
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>> and is the placement of a knee on a subject's neck a use of force? >> yes. >> a reportable type of force? >> not necessarily. >> and why is that? >> for handcuffing somebody in a prone position or fighting with someone, it could happen where your knee ends up on someone's neck. >> for about how long? >> i guess whatever is reasonable. >> which would be when? >> until you get control of the party, i guess. >> okay. control as in the person is then handcuffed? >> handcuffed and not continuing to fight with you anymore. >> okay. so once the person -- once the subject is handcuffed and no longer resisting? >> yes. >> at that point the restraint should stop? >> yeah. >> all right. after you spoke with the
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defendant, what did you do? >> i headed down to the 38th and chicago where he was at. >> okay. this time ask to publish exhibit 1. 38th and chicago is within the 3rd precinct, that's correct? >> yes. >> and you recognize exhibit 1? >> i do. >> and you see the area of cup foods, the dragon wok and the speedway? >> correct. >> can you please describe what you saw when you arrived at the scene? >> i think i pulled up and the officers were standing near their squad car, there might have been an ems vehicle still on scene and a few people milling around. >> did you recognize the officers? >> i did. >> did you speak to anybody prior to your arrival? >> i think officer chauvin called me just as i was arriving, but it only lasted a
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second because i was -- i was a half block out. i said i'll be right there. >> at this time i'd ask to publish exhibit 267. i'm showing you a photo taken from your own body-worn camera and can you see the time stamp there? >> 20:46:26. >> and you can see -- is this your cell phone? >> yes. >> and you see that you received a call from the defendant? is that right? >> yeah. it looks like maybe i'm about to hang up. >> yes. can you please just describe this conversation as best as you can recall? >> i think he just called and asked where i was at maybe. how long i was. i was real close. i said i'll be right there. we'll talk in person and i hung up. >> you can see from -- if you could put 267 up again, please.
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you recognize the building that you were near, right? >> not offhand. >> all right. if you could pull up exhibit 1. if you look, can you recall exactly where you were when you pulled up as you were receiving that call? >> where i parked? >> yeah. >> i think i parked over near the dragon wok. >> okay. if you could pull up 267 again. does that building appear to be the dragon wok? >> yes. and obviously since we have this photo, your body-worn camera was activated, is that right? >> yes. >> do you recall at what point you activated your body-worn camera? >> probably two blocks out. >> at the time were you thinking that you were going to need to
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do a force review? >> yes. >> based on the description that the defendant gave you, you already indicated you didn't know there was pressure applied to the neck, is that right? >> right. >> did you get any sense from the defendant how long this restraint lasted? >> no, i didn't have any idea. >> when you arrived at the scene, based on your rank and being a supervisor, did you become the senior officer in charge of the scene? >> yes. >> did you see the officers that you previously mentioned, the defendant, thomas lane, tou thao and alexander king present? >> i did. >> did you have some conversation with those officers about the incident? >> yes. >> were the four of the officers in a group at the time you had
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this conversation? >> yes. >> the people who were talking were thomas lane and alexander ki king, is that right? >> yes. >> the defend was nearby and in position to hear? >> yes. >> at that time you received a summary of what happened from officer lane and officer king, is that right? >> yes. >> both of them gave you a statement kind of joining each other? >> right. >> without talking about what specifically that statement was, after you heard their rendition of the events, did you take that information and use it to determine the next steps that you would take? >> yes, i did. >> based on that conversation then, were you told that there had been a restraint of an individual? >> yes, i believe that they said they handcuffed him. >> okay. and did you learn that an ambulance had been summoned? >> i did. >> did you learn that the person
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that had been restrained was taken away in the ambulance? >> yes. >> and where was that person who had been taken? >> hampton county medical center. >> based on that conversation, what did you decide to do? >> i decided to drive down to henapee county medical center myself to check on the party's condition. >> did you give any direction to the officers you had spoken with? >> i did. i believe i asked them to hang on to the suspect's vehicle and gather any witnesses that may be around. >> and who did you direct to do that? >> i believe officer lane and ki king. >> did you give any direction to officer tou thao or the defendant? >> i did. i asked them to head down to the
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medical center also. >> you provided to leave the scene to go to the hennepin medical center? >> yes. >> before you left the scene, did you have a further conversation or direction to the defendant? >> i don't think so. >> do you recall speaking with the defendant about the need to potentially interview witnesses? >> yes, i did.. i asked him to look for some witnesses. >> that was captured on the body-worn camera, is that right? >> it should have been, yes. >> you had an opportunity to review that footage? >> yes. >> at this time, i'm going to ask to publish exhibit 266. i'm also going to ask to publish 265. there are two different renditions of the same conversation. exhibit 266, you will see sort of the body position of the
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defendant as you're having this conversation. and then the next exhibit you'll hear the audio. [ inaudible ] >> yes, your honor . while they're taking this quick break, let's check in with our team. jennifer rodgers, what do you think the attorneys are getting at here from this testimony? >> we're finally starting to see some information about derek chauvin's training. what is objectively reasonable. what should an officer do in a that situation. we have his supervisor talking about how you shouldn't restrain someone after they're not moving, after they're not resisting and if they're hand handcuffed. you have him talking about what actually happened. we're hearing the conversation between chauvin and his
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supervisor after all of this happened. so that's all very interesting to set the stage of what happened and to start to set this argument about excessive force that the prosecution is trying to prove. >> great. thanks. let's check back in with the trial. >> did you recognize your own voice in that clip or was that kind of hard to hear? >> it was hard to hear but it sounded like me. >> you saw that officer chauvin, the defendant, was sort of leaned up against your squad car, is that right? >> yes. >> then if we could publish 265. >> did you get any witnesses down here? >> they're all pretty hostile. >> okay. >> see what you can get. >> okay. >> you can take that down. so you heard yourself directing the defendant to find witnesses and find their names, is that right?
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>> yes. >> the defendant told you that he could try but that they were pretty hostile? >> yes. >> but you asked him to do it any way? >> yes. >> and when you drove away, where did you go? >> hennepin county medical center. >> do you know approximately how long it took you to arrive? >> i guess under ten minutes. >> what did you do once you reached the hennepin county medical center. >> i went into the stabilization room. >> what's the stabilization room? >> a room where they take patients who are critical and work on them there. >> what did you see when you arrived at the stabilization room? >> they were working on george floyd. i think they had the lucas machine going, which does automated chest compressions. >> who was working on him? >> hennepin county medical center staff, doctors, nurses. >> how long do you think you watched the staff work on mr.
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floyd? >> a few minutes, maybe. >> did you see or speak with any of the staff members who were working on mr. floyd? >> i spoke with the nurse while i was there. >> did you ask the nurse for any information? >> i was trying to get a condition update. >> and did you? >> i did. >> what did the nurse tell you? >> that he was doing bad or poorly. >> okay. now, are you aware of whether per your direction the defendant and officer thao eventually arrived at the hennepin medical center? >> yes. >> did you see them in the stabilization room or near the stabilization room? >> i think outside the stabilization room. >> exhibit 77 is a body-worn camera photo of the defendant. at this time the state offers exhibit 77. >> any objection? >> no, your honor. >> 77 is received. >> publish exhibit 77. and you see the defendant present here.
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that's right? >> yes. >> and noting the time on the body-worn camera, 21:05:07, is that right? >> yes. >> about 9:05? >> right. >> you see officer tou thao? >> yes. >> after the nurse told you that mr. floyd was doing poorly, what did you do? >> i believe i immediately had a conversation with lieutenant madison who was car 9 that night. >> what is lieutenant madison's role? >> as car 9 he's kind of in charge of the city in the evening. what was ythe nature of your conversation with the lieutenant? >> i think i let him know that floyd was doing poorly. i think he was on the phone with internal affairs at the time giving them an update on what
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was going on. >> exhibit 78 is another image from the body-worn camera depicting lieutenant madison. offering exhibit 78. >> no objection. >> exhibit 78 is received. >> publish exhibit 78. what do you see in this photo? >> myself, some of the hospital staff. >> and it was after you made these observations that you spoke with lieutenant madison? >> yes. did you attempt after your conversation with lieutenant madison to gather more information from the defendant and officer thao? >> i did. i think he requested me to ask them if they used any other force. >> did you have that conversation with the defendant? >> i did. >> do you call what the defendant told you? >> i believe he said he knelt on
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floyd, knelt on his neck, something of that nature. i don't recall the exact words. >> is that the first time you became aware that force had been applied to mr. floyd's neck? >> yes. >> did the defendant tell you how long he applied pressure to or restrained mr. floyd and applied pressure to his neck? >> no. >> at some point did you receive another update on mr. floyd's medical condition? >> i did. someone approached me and let me know that he passed away. >> after you learned that mr. floyd passed away, did that change the nature of the incident you were responding to? >> yes, it was deemed a critical incident then. >> what is a critical incident?
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>> where somebody passes away in police custody, high-level like a shooting, or somebody shot and killed by police. things of that nature. >> what are your responsibilities as the shift sergeant when a critical incident happens in an area over which you have supervisory authority? >> needs to be roped off with police tape and evidence preserved. body-worn cameras, make sure they're turned back on. >> okay. >> what has to be done with the people who were involved in the critical incident? >> they need to be kept separate and eventually transported down to the courthouse. >> in this case did you take specific steps that were consistent with critical incident response? >> i did. >> what did you do? >> got ahold of sergeant john edwards, who is the overnight supervisor who had just come on and asked him to head down to 38th and chicago and secure that
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scene. and then i believe i got ahold of other sergeants to help set up rides for the involved officers down to city hall. >> okay. >> so in this contacting sergeant edwards, you are essentially handing off the actual physical scene to the next supervisory sergeant for the 3rd precinct, is that right? >> yes. >> you were able to secure transport officers or rides for officers lane and kueng? >> i don't recollect if it was me who found the rides for those two or thao and chauvin. i find somebody to figure it out. >> can you describe your interactions with the defendant after you discovered mr. floyd had passed away? >> other than ask him to head down to 108, not too --
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>> what's 108. >> room 108 is one of the rooms in city hall where officers will gather to be interviewed and stuff after the critical incident. >> did you then proceed to room 108? >> i did. >> what did you do after you proceeded to room 108? >> i mostly just waited until the officers were interviewed and eventually headed back to the 3rd precinct station. >> did you have any further interaction with the defendant at room 108 or did the other administrative personnel take charge? >> pretty much the other administrativee ive personnel. >> after then directing edwards to secure the scene, making sure that the officers reported as they were supposed to, did you at some point gather some additional evidence associated with this case?
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>> i did. >> when was that? >> i was back at the 3rd precinct and i believe officer lane approached me and had forgotten some information in his pocket. some witness information he had taken from somebody in the vehicle. and turned that over to me, which i turned over to another officer to be property inventoried. >> after inventorying that information or that material, did you have any other involvement in the case? >> i wrote a short report on turning that information over and that was it for the day. >> okay. and when did your shift end that night? >> i don't recall what time i left the station that night. >> now, again, you have reviewed the body-worn camera footage associated with this case. is that right? >> i have. >> as the supervisory shift sergeant, you're a person who
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typically does force reviews, is that right? >> yes. >> and to clarify your testimony from earlier, the restraint of an individual on the ground is a form of force, correct? >> yes. and restraining someone on the ground handcuffed, that's considered to be the prone position, correct? >> correct. >> would you agree that a person may be restrained only to the degree necessary to keep them under control? >> yes. >> and no more restraint? >> right. >> based upon your review of this incident, do you believe that the restraint should have ended at some point in the encounter? >> i will object, your honor. >> grounds? >> sidebar.
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>> all right. they're having a little break right now to review some information. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. sara sidner, you're watching all of this. what are we seeing now? i assume this trial is about to resume. >> yeah. you are seeing a sergeant, former sergeant of the minneapolis police department who was on duty the night that george floyd died. he got a call from a 911 dispatcher. we heard from that dispatcher in the very first day of testimony. and she testified she was seeing a camera, a surveillance camera above the scene there at cup foods at 38th and chicago. she was watching the officers and noticed they were on george floyd for so long, at the time she didn't know his name was george floyd, but they were on a subject for so long, she thought there was something wrong with the cameras. then she realized th