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very good thursday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. poppy harlow has the day off. we learned the man sitting in a car with george floyd when police approached and removed them from the vehicle will not testify in the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin. instead, maurice hall is going to invoke the fifth amendment. they enter into the fourth day of testimony with a clear understanding of exactly what happened on the day of floyd's death. this comes after we heard for the first time the ex-police
officer's first words as he was confronted by a witness who took issue with chauvin's kneeling on floyd's neck. more powerful testimony expected to come today. we're going to bring it to you live. let's let's begin in minneapolis. tell us about this witness not appearing. that is potentially significant. >> absolutely. we're looking forward to see who will be testifying today, jim, as court gets under way in minneapolis. one person we know who is not testifying is this friend of george floyd who was allegedly in the vehicle with him on the day that he had that encounter with police. this according to a new court filing from his defense counsel saying he'll invoke the fifth amendment and not testifying. we're looking to see who will be called as witnesses. we know that yesterday was a very emotional day in court. we heard from a number of people who were there in and around the scene whenever the police encountered george floyd, whenever he ultimately died. one of those witnesses, a
61-year-old resident here broke down in tears as prosecutors showed him this video camera footage of police interacting with george floyd. now we also heard from a 19-year-old former cashier who worked in the store near where george floyd died. said he is full of regret. of course, we know this all kicked off because george floyd had allegedly passed a counterfeit $20 billion to the cashier. that ultimately leading to another store employee calling police. again that, leading into this escalation, this ultimate confrontation that witness saying yesterday that he just feels regret now because of what transpired. one person we're waiting to hear from and don't know if we is derek chauvin himself. we're waiting to see whether he will indeed testify. we heard from so many witnesses who just expressed heartbreaking grief about what transpired. will derek chauvin testify? will we hear from him about what was going through his mind? so far the only indication we have from him was in this video released yesterday by
prosecutors in which he seemingly attempts to justify his actions by saying that george floyd was apparently under the influence of some kind of substance but again, we're waiting to see whether or not he will actually take the witness stand. we'll be focused on that today. our cnn colleagues will be in the courtroom and we'll bring you the latest. >> it's remarkable to hear the witnesses express guilt, their own guilt they felt about not being able to do more. josh campbell outside the courthouse there. thank you very much. we're also following breaking news this morning. a mass shooting in america. last night four people including a child were killed when someone opened fire at an office complex in orange, california. it was three weeks since the atlanta spa shooting. there have been at least 20, 20 mass shootings in the u.s. in two weeks. cnn's senior national correspondent is in southern california this morning. i know you're waiting for an update from police in a couple
of hours. what are we hoping to learn and what do we know so far? >> you know, right now we just don't have a lot of detauils about what led up to this jim. we're hoping to learn more about the suspect, motive, any connection, any possible connection to the people who died here. all we know right now is basically what we've seen. the investigators, you can see them out front. this is the business park where the shooting took place last night. investigators have been going in and out doing evidence collection. they remain here as they try to figure out what led up to all of this. what neighbors here, apartments and houses all through this area surrounding this business park say that they started hearing gunfire right around dinner time last night. shortly after that, then the sound of sirens as the first respond responding officers arrived here. and then there was gunfire. the orange police say that gunfire was exchanged between law enforcement and the suspect.
the suspect was wounded and then transported to the hospital. investigators then made their way through this business park. there are six offices here in this business park. and there were four people dead inside. we don't know exactly where but we do know that there are four people dead. one of them a child. we don't have the exact age. we just know that a child is among the dead. a fifth woman was also injured and taken to the hospital. she is in critical condition this morning. we did meet somebody outside, paul tobar. he says that his brother and his niece, he has been calling them repeatedly through the night and they have not picked up. they are missing. take a listen. >> i'm just trying to find out his well-being. he's not answering his phone either. and my niece, i'm scared and worried. i wish i knew more. i don't know.
i ran out. i'm just praying really hard. >> yeah. we just spoke of him again. he still doesn't have any more details. what police do say is that one gun was involved in this mass shooting. as you point out, jim, it has been a violent two weeks. this is the 20th mass shooting and mass shooting being defined as four people critically wounded or killed in that single shooting. so this is the 20th in two weeks. jim? >> the toll goes on. just doesn't stop. thank you very much. in washington, a giant sales pitch coming hours from now president biden will meet with his cabinet. just one day after unveiling his multitrillion dollar infrastructure and jobs proposal. john harwood is at the white house. john, we're expecting the president to use today's meeting as another step in promoting this plan. but the fact is, he's got
opposition. p principally from republicans and his own party. what are the administration's hopes of getting this through? >> full-court press, jim. yes. there is some opposition within the party saying it's not large enough. there was some of that from the covid-19 relief plan. some people want a bigger plan. that is not going to be the operational constraint on this program. it's fundamentally going to be can they push through a plan of this size having pushed through $1.9 trillion of borrowed money with the covid-19 relief bill? can they push another very large pricetag through and how much of that can they pay for with tax increases? the president laid out a plan yesterday that had enormous amounts of spending, $621 billion for transportation, $400 million for care giving for the elderly and disabled. $300 billion for manufacturing. $100 billion to upgrade schools. lots more for the energy grid, for basic scientific research. very large spending and tax
increases to pay for it over a longer time frame. over 15 years. and that's going to be the real challenge of getting the votes because we've seen that immediate resistance from republicans to either borrowing or tax increases and certainly from the business community which says, no, if you raise taxes you're going to set back economic recovery. >> well, john, we know you're following it closely. there's a lot to come here. we'll keep in touch. other news we're following this morning, pfizer has the data necessary to apply for full fda authorization for its two shot coronavirus vaccine. so far it has emergency use authorization. the pharmaceutical giant announcing that fully vaccinated people based on data have at least six months being key there, six months of immunity and protection against variants as well. that is key because there are new variants out there. kristen holmes joins me now. explain this six months figure here. people may say, wait a second, i get the shot, i'm only protect ford six months? the fact is the data shows at
least six months and the expectation it would be longer? >> yeah. that's right, jim. and something to keep ninld. today is the best estimate that we have is actually 90 days. so this is a vast improvement. and this is really our first look at how long protection actually lasts. i want to go through all the findings here. you tuchdzouched on two of the points. the protection lasts six months after the second dose. the second one you mentioned, protects against variants. that includes the south africa variant that so many health providers that i talked to have been incredibly concerned about. that is great news. remains more than 91% effective against disease with any symptoms and 100% effective against severe disease. so all of this is really positive information. it comes after we learned yesterday and you and i talked about this, about those findings between 12 and 15-year-olds. the vaccine had been 100% effective in that age-group. so all of this a positive step for us in this vaccine distribution process. >> understood.
another development in the last 24 hours is production issue for the johnson & johnson one shot vaccine. quality control catching a problem could affect up to 15 million doses. before ski t before i ask this question, the j&j doses were produced overseas, there is no quality issue of them. tell us the impact on just the rollout of vaccinations around the country in terms of supply and is this a fixable problem? >> jim, i want to reiterate shg you said. i think there is a lot of questions about this. anyone who has actually gotten the vaccine or planning on getting the vaccine, you have an appointment to get the johnson & johnson vaccine, you have nothing to be concerned about. this is a quality control issue caught inside the plant. that being said, it is absolutely devastating that potentially 15 million doses that could have gone into the arms of americans now will not. so what we heard from johnson & johnson is in in plant in baltimore they did identify that one batch of drug substance didn't actually meet their
standards. again, this potentially impacted 15 million doses. this is what doctor fauci had to say about this today. >> human errors do happen. you have checks and balances and got news about this, despite the fact that it's really quite unfortunate that about 15 million doses are now -- are not going to be able to be used. but you do have checks and balances. you see that. that's the reason why the good news is that it did get picked up. >> and to answer your question, jim, about how this is going to affect distribution, the white house is essentially saying that it's not going to. that this doesn't affect biden's goal to have every adult -- every adult able to get vaccinated, just vaccines available to every adult by may 1st. and johnson & johnson said this didn't affect their goal to get 20 million doses by the end of last month which is a goal that they met. but again, of course, reading this is devastating when you think about the idea that 15 million doses that could have gone into the arms of americans
just simply won't. >> yeah. let's hope they get back filled quickly. that's the challenge now. kristen holmes, thanks very much. quick programming note, be sure to join sanjay gupta on a journey to learn why some people are still afraid of vaccines. the new cnn special report, "the truth about vaccines" begins monday night at 9:00. in minutes, a new round of testimony set to begin in the trial of derek chauvin. we'll bring you those the moment they begin live. and new york prosecutors stepping up an investigation into president trump's finance records. they subpoenaed the long time financial officer. why is that significant? we'll have more coming next.
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this morning "the new york times" is reporting that state prosecutors in manhattan who are investigating former president trump's finances have now subpoenaed the personal bank records of trump's cfo and what appears to be an effort to get him to cooperate. should be made clear he has not been accused of any wrongdoing. you have new reporting this mo morning on how the former president tried over the years to push responsibility for decisions he's made on valuing his properties on to this man. this is key. if you overvalue prrts to try to get loans, you know, that can
open you up to legal liability. what more can you tell us? >> that's right, jim. if you look just at this 2007 deposition where trump was asked under oath how he came up with the values for some of the assets, he said he relied on allen weiselberg. he shows me what he comes up with and i'm not sure i ever said change this number or that number. he shows me. we'll talk about it. he'll do it. and twice in that deposition donald trump was asked about values for two specific properties and both times he said he did that one. but he also revealed that he did acknowledge that trump said he inflated his own net worth. he said he inflated the value of his assets. he exaggerates. he said everybody does. who wouldn't? specifically he was asked about one property north of new york city, seven springs. a family estate. that property's valuation went from $80 million to $150 million the next year. trump said that change was based on his opinion. he acknowledged under oath that
he did not have an appraisal or any expert advice. the question that prosecutors are focusing in here is were these exaggerations or embellishments within the norms of new york real estate or cross the line into illegal activity? and that is where allen weiselberg fits in here. he knows the former president very closely. the former president put him in charge of his company along with his adult sons when he went into office. and that's why prosecutors are asking a lot of questions here. "the new york times" reported they subpoenaed the bank records and interviewed his former daughter-in-law multiple times. they asked questions about gifts and compensation. prosecutors are looking for any leverage they might find on allen weiselberg to get him to cooperate. he has not been accused of any wrongdoing. his lawyer was asked whether he would cooperate. you look in 2015 he was deposed and at the time he was asked by an attorney are you subject to
trump's ultimate control and weiselberg said yes. >> that is what they call a contradiction. based on what they're both saying. thank you so much. i know there will be more there. emotions are high at the derek chauvin murder trial resumes any moment from now. we'll bring it to you live the moment that testimony begins again. at this point jurors have watched video of george floyd's dying moments multiple times, from multiple different angles. and they've also heard the pain, the grief, the guilt even that several witnesses carry with them to this day. just moments ago we learned some news. we learned that george floyd's friend, the man who is seen sitting with him in the car when he was arrested, will not now testify. laura coates and charles ramsey are back with me now as we begin day four. laura, i want to get your view on this development. so maurice hall informed the court he will, if he is still called to testify, invoke the
fifth amendment. no need for me to come anymore. the defense has noted surveillance video that showed him, they allege, dropping something into the sewer drain on the street while floyd was being taken into police custody here. significance of this move? >> this would be very significant if george floyd were the one on trial, jim. or this particular individual were the one on trial. because again, this is part of the discussions here. it is related as to why the plo police officers were called. this trial to refocus the audience, this focus is about the interaction between derek chauvin, the defendant, and george floyd. the conduct to focus on is what happened on the ground in the time that reasonable force should no longer been applied turned into deadly and lethal force and sustained even after
the threat was neutralized. the idea of a witness in a car or maybe a person in the cup foods store, all of those things are going to be related to setting the scene. but should really have no impact on the prosecution of derek chauvin for that particular moment in time. >> charles ramsey, one development yesterday was the chauvin body cam actually was another officer's body cam but chauvin speaking here trying to explain to one of the witnesses why he used the force he d i want to play that again. then i have a question for you. >> trying to control this guy. he's a sizable guy. >> yeah. put him in the car. >> looks like he is probably on something. >> sizable guy. looks like he is probably on something. you've seen this video of this interaction over many, many, many minutes. you know, it is caught on tape. you heard the witness testimony. you're also a former police officer. you commanded police officers who have been in a lot of difficult, sometimes dangerous
interactions. when you look at this interaction, do you look at that and say this was a highly dangerous encounter. that force arguably could be justified? >> no. it's no the justified at all. i mean, listen, george floyd was a big guy. there is no question about that. i don't know, i heard that chauvin is not that big. but remember, you got four policemen there. it's not a one-on-one situation. you got four cops there. he had already been handcuffed. he was already restrained. i mean all the factors figure in when you take a look at whether or not the use of force was necessary. and as laura mentioned earlier, you know, the force was sustained well beyond the time it was actually needed. one of the things when you're trained and have a prolonged encounter like that, you know, you use the force you need to use to deal with the situation at that moment. but you constantly reassess. over and over. is the struggle still taking place? if it yes, then you have to
continue with the force. if not, you reassess. i don't need to use that force any longer and you stop. >> yeah. and that's going to be a question for the jury both the use of the force and what was not done right as floyd became unresponsive. i want to ask you, laura, this is a jury trial, as we said. in the last hour, jurors are human beings. they're reacting to this in real time. this took place in front of multiple witnesses, every moment of this. one juror yesterday need aid break. hold that thought. hold that thought. does it look like we're going to start a couple minutes early here. the first witness in this trial, let's listen in. >> to keep your mask on. it is easier to hear you. if it you feel a need to put it back on, put it back on. the important thing is that we can hear you. what we're going to do is start to -- we can be hear you. we're going to have you state your full name, spell each mof your names.
>> batya ross. >> thank you. >> thank you, your honor. >> miss ross, can you tell the jurors not your address but generally where you live? >> yes. i live in northeast minneapolis. >> how long you have been in the northeast minneapolis area? >> my entire life. i was born and raised. >> and can you tell the jurors how old you are? >> i'm 45 years old. seems like a strange question. there is a reason for it. >> okay. >> and do you have any children? >> i have two boys. >> okay. and miss ross, did you know george floyd? >> yes. >> when did you meet george floyd? >> i met floyd in august of 2017. >> and you refer to him as floyd. >> all the time. >> that's how you just referred to him all the time? >> yes. >> and, you know in, court you
prefer to use mr. floyd. so as much as you can, do that. i understand that's how you noi h know him. >> sure. >> when was it you first met mr. floyd? >> may i tell the story? >> sure. >> okay. it's one of my favorite stories. excuse me. >> and miss ross, just so you know, if you feel like you need to take a moment to collect yourself, feel free. we're in no rush here. >> thank you. >> in august of 2017, i had gotten off work one night.
i worked at a coffee shop for 22 years now. part time. and i was tired. and i just cleaned up and closed up the shop and i went to go visit my son's father who was staying at harbor lights, the salvation army shelter. he had some difficulties and was staying there. i entered harbor life and when you visit there, you have to ask for a person to come down if you're visiting them. so i had the receptionist call him down. but he didn't seem to be coming down. so i waited in the lobby.
raspy. and he's like, sis, you okay, sis? and i wasn't okay. i'm just waiting for my son's father. sorry. he said, well, can i pray with you? i was tired. we had been through so much. my sons and i. and this kind person just to come up to me and say can i pray with you? and i felt alone in this lobby. it was so sweet. and at the time i had lost faith
in god. >> miss ross? sorry to interrupt. i just going to help with a few questions, okay? >> sure. >> at that point, did you know what mr. floyd was doing there at the salvation army? >> oh, yes, i'm sorry. he worked there as a security guard. >> okay. so he came up to you and tried to comfort you? >> yes. >> and was that the beginning of your relationship? not that part. that was just floyd. afterwards, he had asked me who my son's father was. and i said, you know, we
co-parent and we're not in a relationship. and that's when his -- i like to say his voice dropped like two levels. even though it was deep already. and he asked me if he could get my number and we had had our first kiss in the lobby. and that's when our relationship started. >> and after that, how close did you become? >> we were very close. >> and so i'm not sure you told us when this was. do you recall roughly? not the date but the year at least? >> in august of 2017. >> okay. and up until his death, did you continue to be in a relationship with him? >> yes. >> can you describe, you know, how close -- how often you saw each other during those three years? >> just about every day we saw each other. as much as we possibly could. >> were there times when you weren't as close as other times?
>> we had, you know, sometimes just like all couples, we argued sometimes. and, you know, may have taken a break. but -- >> like most couples. >> like most couples, i assume. >> did you learn, you know, whether he was new to minneapolis? >> oh, yeah. our first date, you know, like most people do, we went over like our histories and he told me he was from houston. >> and what kinds of things did the two of you do together when you get together and do things? >> he was new to the city. so everything was kind of new to him. everywhere we went was new to him. he made it seem like, you know, i was new to my own city. so we tliliked to go to -- he ld
right by the lake. we liked to go down there a lot and, you know, enjoy the outdoors. we liked to go to the sculpture garden and just -- excuse me -- walk around. we went out to eat a lot. >> why? >> because i love to eat a lot. floyd loved to eat a lot. he's a big man. it took a lot of energy to keep him going. and he loved food. and so did i. it was fun. it was an adventure always with him. >> did you know if he were -- where he was working, you know, prior to his death, had he been working some place? >> yes. he was working at a bistro. >> what is that? >> it's a restaurant and also a nightclub at, you know, in the evening. >> what did he do there? >> he was a security guard. he was head of security there. >> and did you at some point
lose that job? >> only because of covid-19. it shut down because of covid-19. >> you met at salvation army. did you learn that he eventually worked there? >> yes. i into you that evening that he worked at salvation army. >> and he was a security guard there. >> yes. >> i think a year or so after i met him. >> and, you know, in the tomb period leading up to -- time period leading up to his death in may of last year, you know, let's talk about january to may when he passed. how often were the two of you seeing each other? >> of 2020? >> yes. >> at the beginning of the year we had not seen each other, kind
of separated for a little while. but from march until may sbwe spent every day together. >> and we have a photograph of mr. floyd. and we showed that to you in a prior meeting with you, correct? >> yes. >> and you recognize that as him? >> yes. >> all right. your honor, we offer exhibit 247. >> 247 is received. >> so i'm showing you exhibit 247. >> sorry. >> yeah. that's okay. if the touch the screen, it's going write on there. are you familiar with this photograph? >> yes. >> what kind of photograph is this? >> i would call it a dad selfie. >> why would you call it that? >> i -- i -- i'm just joking.
but a lot of dads, like, sometimes don't have the best angle when they take selfies. it's kind of lower and just -- i don't know. they don't take the time to maybe do the certain angles that everybody else does. >> so this is -- you believe a selfie that he took? >> yes. >> i believe it was outside of the salvation army. >> do you recall about roughly when this was taken? >> from the sweater he was wearing, i think it was the fall of 2017. >> did mr. floyd have any children? >> yes. >> how many children did he have? >> two girls.
>> and did he try to be part of their lives as much as he could? >> yes. he loved his girls. it's hard being in minnesota long distance. >> so his daughters were not in minnesota? >> no. >> is that a no? >> no. >> i want to make sure your voice is loud enough for everybody to hear. when you knew mr. floyd, did you learn of his mother's death? >> yes. >> do you recall when that was? >> it was in may of 2018. >> and did you see -- well describe if you would for the jury what you saw his reaction to his mother's death?
he was devastated. he loved his mom so much. and i knew that. he talked about her all the time. i knew how he felt. it's so hard to lose a parent. that you love like that. >> miss ross. thank you. i'm sorry to interrupt. let me see if i ask the questions to help a little. okay? so he struggled with grief over his mother's death? >> excuse me. yes. >> okay. and going to change topics a bit, okay? >> okay. >> do you need a minute?
are you okay? >> i'm okay. i can do it. >> okay. you met mr. floyd at salvation army and maintained a relationship with him. i have to ask if drug use is a part of that relationship? >> yes. >> and what kind of drug use was a part of that relationship? >> floyd and i both suffer with opioid addiction. >> and do you know how -- i mean for your own self, how you came to be involved, you know, with what kind of drugs and how you became involved? >> opioid. yes. both floyd and i, our story,
it's a classic story of how many people get addicted to opioids. we both suffered from chronic pain. mine was in my neck and his was in his back. we both have prescriptions. after prescriptions that were filled and we got addicted. and tried real you hard to break that addiction many times. >> and were you each aware of each other's struggles with opioids? >> yes, eventually in our relationship we shared that. >> and did you work together on that? >> absolutely.
absolutely. >> and how long of a period did this struggle go on for you for both of you? >> addiction in my opinion is a life long struggle. so it's something that we dealt with every day. you know? it's not something that just kind of comes and goes. it's something i'll deal with forever. >> were there periods of time when you were not using opioids? >> absolutely. >> same question with regard to mr. floyd? >> yes. absolutely. >> were there times when you knew that he was using opioids more than by prescription? >> yes. >> does that make snense? >> yes. >> and when you weren't using, you know, prescription opioids, you know, where did you get them? >> off the street. >> okay. >> on the black market. >> and you knew that he was
doing that as well? >> yes. >> and turning your attention to -- well, let me ask you this. you were in a relationship for nearly three years. >> yes. >> and did this use of opioids beyond prescriptions sort of continue throughout that three year period for mr. floyd? >> yes. >> are there times when you would struggle? >> yes. >> and did you use together? >> yes. >> and from what you saw mr. floyd using, what form of oep ow opioids did he typically take?
>> oxy. >> how did he get that? >> pill form. >> yes. >> sorry. >> not the easiest question to ask, you know, to -- for you. i'm sorry. >> it's okay. the. >> if you don't understand the question, feel free to ask and let me know, okay? is. >> okay. >> and so there were times when you would obtain nonprescription opioids together? >> yes. we had -- they would be other people's prescriptions. >> and were there sometimes -- why would you get them through other people's prescriptions? what do you mean? >> to make sure they were safe. >> and are there times that you had to get pills other than, you know, from what you knew were somebody else's prescriptions?
>> yes. >> and were there times when you thought that maybe mr. floyd wasn't using or was using but not with you not in your presence? >> yes. there was a time. >> and were there times when you were using together -- well, i guess that is a loaded question already. let me ask it this way. did you use the same amounts when you used? >> um -- yes. >> and taking your attention to march of 2020 and there was a time in march when you knew he was back to using pills. is that right? >> i thought it changesed.
>> what do you mean by that? >> i think we knew -- know someone that suffers with any type of addiction, you can start to kind of see changes when they're using again. and there's this change i noticed in him. it made me suspect. >> and in march of 2020, did you also kind of fall back into using? >> yes, i did. the. >> so -- and were you two using together back in march or just suspected his use? >> in march, yes. we did use together. >> okay. and then you -- was there a
period then after march where you thought the two of you had both been able to quit for a while? >> yes, a long period. >> and then kind of going forward to may of 2020, was there a time when you thought he might be using again? >> yes. >> in may, what led you to think that? >> it was the same type of thing. just behavior changes in floyd. and did you also fall back to using opioids in may of 2020? >> one time, yes. he was aware of that? >> yes. and when he -- in may of 2020,
did you no he where he was living? >> yes. >> did he have his own place where he stayed? >> yes, he stayed in a place in st. louis park. >> did he have roommates? >> yes. >> did the two of you ever live together? >> no, we stayed at each other's places though. we didn't live together. >> so in may of 2020, do you recall the last time you spoke with him? >> yes. >> do you recall when that was in relation to his death? >> it was the day before he died. >> and how did you talk to him? by phone? >> by phone. >> okay. and did you know, you know, what he was going to be doing that night or where he was staying? >> that night i knew he was -- well, he said he was going to be staying at sylvia's.
>> do you know who she? >> yes, she's a friend of ours. >> and so as far as you knew, he was going to be staying at a friend's house? >> yes. >> and do you recall hum sim sa what the plan was, why they were going to sylvia's? >> well, floyd had, you know, made his minneapolis family here too. and a lot of the people that he was friends with were from other states. almost everybody had lost their job within that time. and he was feeling kuind of lonely and just wanted to hang out with friends. so a lot of people that worked at the salvation arm quiy with and other people stayed there. and they were, you know, just being a family.
>> was sylvia -- did she work at the sl sahalvation army too? >> yes. >> so that is the last time you talked to him, the sunday before his death? >> yes. >> you told the jurors earlier that sort of the classic story leading to an opioid addiction, having injuries and prescriptions. >> yes. >> had mr. floyd been an active person physically? >> yes. he was very active. >> okay. and what do you mean by that? what types of things would you see him doing? >> floyd liked to work out every day. he lifted weights. that is far beyond anything i could lift. every single day. he did sit-ups, pushups, pullups. just within his house. if he went out and about, he
would go running, biking. he always played sports. he loved playing sports with neighborhood kids or anybody really that would pick up any type of ball or racket. he would play instantly. so he was always involved in that. he would do anything physical. we would paddle boat, we take walks. he was the type of person to run to the store. >> when you were with him, you know, whether he had been exercising or just hanging out, did he ever complain of shortness of breath or having difficulty breathing? >> no. >> and did he -- did he have -- well, did he have sports injuries that he complained of? >> yes. >> you mentioned earlier, what,
his neck? >> his neck and his neck to shoulder blade and lower back. there were three main kind of areas. >> despite that, he remained physically active? he would do the activities? >> oh, yes. >> and when he did those things, led to his prescriptions or -- i'm sorry, the injuries that led to the prescriptions for opioids? >> the -- the injuries he had to his his sneck? >> oh, yes.
>> is there a fim when the two of you took a test for covid-19? >> yes. >> and did he tell you the results of his covid-19 test? >> yes. >> which was -- >> he was positive. mine were negative. >> do you recall when that was? >> i believe it was late march. and so because of that, did he quarantine for a while? >> yes. he was already quarantining. but his roommates also had covid-19. pardon me. >> thank you, miss ross. those are the only questions i have, your honor. >> mr. nelson? >> thank you.
>> good morning, miss ross. >> good morning. >> thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> i'm sorry to hear about your struggle with opioid addiction. >> thank you. >> thank you for sharing that with the jury. i have some follow up questions about your experiences with mr. floyd. before i get into that, i want to just go through a few things with you.
you have been interviewed by law enforcement and prosecutors several times in connection with this case, is that correct? >> yes. >> the first interview that you provided was in may -- may 31st, 2020, with an agent from the bureau of criminal apprehension named nathan adams and an fbi agent in christopher langert. >> yes. >> have you had an opportunity to review a transcript of that interview, that first interview? >> yes. >> all right. you were also then you had a meeting on december 14th with the prosecution team in preparation for this case, right? >> december 14th? >> december 14th. >> it could be. >> would you believe me if i said that? >> i believe you. >> okay. then you also had an interview back in june of 2020 with just
the fbi agents and some prosecutors from the federal government, right? >> yes. >> and then you met again with prosecutors on february 21st of this year or 25th, excuse me, of this year? >> that sounds right. >> and then finally on march 31st which i believe was just yesterday. right? >> yes. >> and you understand, again, that you -- that at least meetings with law enforcement they were recorded, transcribed and you had opportunities to review both of those transcripts? >> yes. >> in fact, i think yesterday when you met with prosecutors, you went through the fbi transcript from that meeting back in june? >> yes, i did. >> okay. so i know that you and mr. floyd both struggled with opioid addiction. i just need to ask some kind of follow up questions on that. and time frames.
all right? so when you first met mr. floyd throughout -- you would agree that throughout the course of your relationship you and mr. floyd both had a struggle with opioid addiction. >> yes. >> and there would be periods of time where you would both be using and there would be periods of time when neither one of you would be using, right? >> yes, that's correct. >> and there would be periods of time when one or the other may be using, right? like you may have been using, he wasn't or vice versa? >> yes. >> all right. and you knew at some point mr. floyd had gone through some treatment programs, right? >> yes. >> and i kind of want to just zero in on the time frame from january of 2020 until the -- his death in may. is that okay? >> yes. >> i know this is difficult. i'm sorry we have to go through
this. so i want to kind of work backwards in a sense. >> okay. >> in terms of your statements. >> okay. >> let me strike that. you testified there were periods of time when you would get a prescription or mr. floyd would get a prescription for opioids legally, meaning through a doctor. right? >> yes. >> and you would go to a doctor. you would get a prescription and you would use those pills? right? >> yes. >> and then there were other times where you would buy other people's prescriptions from them, right? >> yes. >> and then there were times when those were not available and so you would have to buy different types of pills. right? unknown sources, so to speak?
>> yes. >> all right. and you are familiar with maurice hall? >> yes. >> and was maurice hall the person that you and mr. floyd bought controlled substances from? >> we had. >> okay. i'm going to ask -- i'm going to show you a photograph. and just to you. you'll be the only one that can see it at this time. it's been previously marked as defense exhibit 1,006. >> okay. >> i'm sorry. can you see that photograph, ma'am? >> yes. >> is that the person you know to be maurice hall? >> yes. >> and can you just generally describe what he's wearing?
>> red hat, red pants and blake and white shirt. and that is in the upper right hand corner, would you agree that has the date of may 25th, 2020? >> yes. >> and that's the person that that you and mr. floyd had purchased controlled substances from? >> yes. >> now in the january and february time frame, were you and mr. floyd fleeing and free from using opioids? >> can you repeat that? >> were you clean and soeber in january and february? >> january and february, western not really talking to each other. so i don't know. >> so you were on the break at that point? >> yes. >> and then you