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teenagers 12 and up. >> we're so close, so very close to getting back to testifyday activities, but we're not quite there yet. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is new day, thursday, april 1st, 6:00. johnavlon, good morning. >> good morning. children have been killed at a complex in southern california. police say the suspected gunman is in custody and injured. the motive is not known at this hour, but the epidemic of gun violence in america has claimed at least two dozen lives in just the last two weeks. so we will go live to the scene with what we know. >> america is gripped by the derek chauvin trial. today we'll hear from more witnesses for the prosecution after heart-wrenching testimony.
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the jurors hear george floyd's voice and his reaction after he's taken away in an balance. a witness breaks down on the stand after hearing george floyd's plea for help. we begin with the mass shooting in california. >> reporter: good morning, john. this is where investigators are still here. this is an office park where a shooting took place. there are about six businesses listed here. investigators are trying to figure out exactly why all of this happened. at this point they don't have a motive. here is what we do know. there are apartments and homes all around this area. right around dinnertime people here say they heard a round of gunfire, an exchange of gunfire of some short. shortly after that, police cars arrived. after that, more gunfire. we know the second round of
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gunfire were officers shooting and exchanging gunfire with the suspect. the suspect was wounded and taken to the hospital, but officers here say, the end result, four people have been murdered, four innocent people. among them, a child. we don't know if it was a boy or a girl or the age of this victim. there was one gun involved. john, just offering a little perspective on the state of gun violence in america, this is in the -- you know, since the atlanta spa shootings, this is the 20th mass shooting, 20th shooting where four or more innocent people have been killed, and that's just in two weeks, john. >> thank you so much. we'll be getting more information as that comes in. meanwhile, the derek chauvin murder trial resumes in just a few hours after more emotional testimony. the jurors saw body camera footage.
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cnn's josh campbell live at the courthouse with more. >> reporter: good morning, john. jurors continue to see new evidence. it was an emotional day in court yesterday as witnesses to the final moments of george floyd's life recounted and relived that experience. one thing is clear, each new piece of evidence that's been introduced is taking its toll on those called to testify. more emotional testimony in the derek chauvin trial yesterday from witnesses feet away like 61-year-old charles mcmillian who took the stand and broke down in tears as the prosecution played this body cam video. >> mama, mama. >> i felt helpless. i don't have a -- [ indiscernible ]
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>> reporter: mcmillian who happens to walk in that neighborhood saw him cooperating with police as they tried to get him in a squad car. >> so were you trying to just help him to -- >> make the situation easy. >> reporter: on wednesday the jury was presented body cam footage from all four officers. much of it had never been made public. the prosecution showed every interaction between the four officers and floyd at several angles. he's in his car and the officer points a gun at him. he is then removed from the vehicle. >> please, don't shoot me, officer. please, don't shoot me, man. >> reporter: he walks to the
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car. the body cam shows the first interaction as floyd drops to the ground. a struggle ensues between he and the officers. chauvin, the man wearing black gloves places his hand around floyd's neck as another officer tries to restrain him. you hear chauvin's voice for the first time. >> i can't control this guy because he's a sizable guy. he's probably on something. >> reporter: it takes several minutes before you hear an officer raise cuoncerns. >> roll him on his side? i'm just worried about the ventilating or whatever. >> reporter: the jury also saw surveillance video from inside the cup foods showing george floyd shortly before he was detained. he was suspected of paying for cigarettes with a counterfeit $20 bill. >> when i saw the bill, it had a blue pigment kind of how a $100
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bill had, and i found that odd, so i assumed it was great. >> reporter: the cashier, 19-year-old christopher martin, told his manager his suspicions and they tried unsuccessfully to bring floyd back in the store. when that failed, he called police. martin says he feels guilty about what happened that day, something other witnesses have felt this week. >> if i had not taken the bill, this could have been avoided. >> that's the theme that's been heard from so many witnesses, expressing their redress, their remorse, wishing this could have turned out differently. it's still unclear whether or not we'll be hearing from former officer derek chauvin wlrk he'll be tes be testifying in his own defense. there will be more witnesses as the wheels of justice continue to turn here in minneapolis.
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alisyn. >> i was so struck by that too, the ripples of effect from everybody who witnessed it that day from a 9-year-old to a 61-year-old witness thinking, what could i have done differently, i could have done something differently. just incredible, the consistency with that. thank you very much. we'll check back with you. joining us now, political cnn commentator bakari sellers. he's an attorney. and charles ramsey, former police chief. commissioner, what struck you from the trial yesterday? >> there was an awful lot that struck me. the first thing, though, was showing the video of floyd in the store. for most people, myself included, the first time i saw george floyd was when he was face down on the pavement with chauvin's knee in his neck. this gives you a glimpse prior to that. what was his behavior? was he being aggressive in the
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store? you got a chance to see george floyd as a real person, not just a person being arrested at the time. i thought that was something that was pretty important. the other part that was really important in my opinion was actually showing the point at which he was actually handcuffed. he was taken into custody and soon after he got out of the car, he was handcuffed. that's important because when you're talking about use of force, if you're using use of force on somebody who's already been handcuffed, there has to be a higher justification for that than it would be if you had an individual struggling and arms flailing. that doesn't mean someone handcuffed can't do that. they can spit, kick, and do all kinds of things. now we're starting to get a real timeline of what took place
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when, and i think that's important. >> bakari, one of the big questions for the defense is whether they'll put chauvin on the stand. but yesterday we heard for the first time something close to a rationalization for these unbelievable actions on derek chauvin's part through his body cam. i want to play you a portion from mr. mcmillian. >> that's one person's opinion. we've got to control this guy because he's a sizable guy. it looks like he's probably on something. >> so there we see him in close to realtime rationalizing 9:29 with his knee on george floyd's neck saying he's a sizable guy and might being on something. my question to you is given that one of the principles of policing is when the resistance stops, the force stops, how does that fear of a man who's prone,
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not showing a pulse arguably at that point, do anything resemably justifying the use of force from derek chauvin? >> to me, you, alisyn, and probably chief ramsey would be it doesn't. however, they're making that argument for the 12 jurors in the box and the two alternates. to hear him say that in realtime at the moment actually goes to bolster the defense's case. look, i don't know if they're going to put him on the stand. usually these are decisions that are made after the last moment, after the prosecution puts their case up. you don't put somebody on the stand who has a criminal record, nor this case you don't put somebody on the stand who in normal circumstances has that type of pattern and practice, who has all of these complaints against him because they can be used in cross-examination. however, i don't see how the defense gets around not putting him on the stand, because even those words you heard, jurors are going to want to know, what
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exactly were you thinking, the same question you asked. okay, you've got him under control. you've got to feel he has no pulse, he's not moving. why did you keep your knee on his neck. explain that action to me. that's one the jurors are going to have. let me point out one thing that jumped tout me yesterday, and i would love to hear chief ramsey chime in on this. the lack of de-escalation by police was astounding, was astonishing. from the moment they walked up to the car with the gun out, there was at no point in time an opportunity to give mr. floyd some commands, try to get him to calm down without ratcheting that situation up. and i think it was doomed from the beginning. >> i'm interested in that, too, ba bakari. because the minute he walked one that gun, he, george floyd, clearly there's a flight or fight response that's trigger
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with him. he's saying, "please don't shoot me, please don't shoot me, please don't shoot me." at that time it seems like he was tear fiechltd it seems the me there could have been things done to take his temperature down. chief, what should they have done? >> again, they're approaching the car. i don't know what they're thinking at that time. pointing a gun at a person is a reportable use of force. any time you unhollister your gun is usually reportable. it's not considered use of force unless the gun is at the ready. i don't know what they have. three occupants in the car. the real problem to me is once he gets back out of the car, he resists slightly when they're trying to put him in the car. they pulled him out on the other side. i don't understand why they took him out once they put him in. that's a different thing.
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now they have him in a prone position. at what point in time -- his resistance stops for a brief moment of time. you de-escalate. the force stops when the issue s stops. that's the real issue, the real problem in this case. there's a significant amount of time, more than five minutes, when there's no resistance at all, and the pressure continues on mr. floyd. that's the period of time in which he's actually killed. >> bakari, there are so many things, the abuse of force by the police, the conversation about de-escalation versus escalation. for many they're seeing a black lives experience in an indelible way, and i wonder if you'd reflect on that. we've seen the trauma of the community, but it's rippling out in the country, a way for the country to reconcile, to reckon.
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>> that's a good question, john. you're seeing the pain, the anguish, the toll, the exhaustion that goes along with being black in america. you're seeing these americans, a 61-year-old man breaking down on the stand. imagine everything he's seen and lived through his 61 years. this image is seared in his brain as well. you see the young clerk who made the decision he has to live with. you see the 9-year-old girl and her cousin testify. that anguish is rippled throughout the country. all of us feel that pain, all of us feel that anguish, that level of exhaustion. this trial you live day by day, i tell all my friends, you have to practice some self-care. that's why getting justice at the end is so, so important. you can't have a community going through the anguish again and again, it's cyclical, and then
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you have the same justice at the end. that's when that anger boils out and roils out into the street because there's nowhere else for it to go. the country, unfortunately, is seeing this firsthand. hopefully, we pray, there's some semblance of justice at the end of the trial. >> mr. ramsey, what do you think of this? you've seen it from angle, as a black man and as a person who was in law enforcement. >> i do see it again and again. what the officers and chauvin did is not necessarily reflective of the entire minneapolis police department. there are men and women who do their job every single day and don't abuse their power, same with law enforcement at large. having said that, there are bad cops out there who abuse their
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rights and authority and they've got to be held accountable for that. what i hope at the end of the trial is people don't paint all law enforcement with the same broad brush. i've spent 50 years in policing. i'm 71 years old and i happen to be a black american male myself. i have seen things from different perspectives, but i'm proud to have been part of that profession because the men and women i have had a chance to work with are not the derek chauvins of the world, and i just hope people keep that in mind. >> we totally appreciate that also. we do a lot of stories about the kindness that officers every day exhibit. >> you do. you do. >> and that's a real story. but thanks for making that point. >> that's right. >> and thank you, too, bakari, for your insights. >> coming up, there's a new twist on the saga of matt gaids.
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president biden will hold his first cabinet meeting. cnn's jeremy is on the scene. >> reporter: they'll have electric charging stations and other things but he also phrased his proposal in historic terms, talking about the need to go big and that this isn't just about the united states and repairing the infrastructure, but also about the competition.
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but more than anything he talked about the need to go big and not tinker around the edges. >> it's a once in a lifetime investment. it's the biggest since world war ii. it's big, yes, it's bold, yes, and we can get it done. >> reporter: getting it done, of course, will be the challenge. president biden not only faced immediate opposition from the republican leaders, who oppose the way he wants to pay for this including an increase in corporate taxes and other business taxes, but also some democrats. there's disagreement with some democrats over the size and scope of this plan as to whether or not it will get out the state and local taxes that some democrats want included. he'll push today with his cabinet in the first cab not meeting of his prez den sichlt
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this comes after his full cabinet was confirmed by the senate. unlike the trump administration, we kwoenlt woenlt see the same kinds kinds of things. >> let me begin with the biden plan. he's framing it. there's a lot of political headwinds, and this is just a plan. let me start by playing mitch mcconnell's complaint about the bill. >> it's not an infrastructure plan. called a trojan horse. it's called infrastructure. but inside the trojan horse will be more borrowed money and massive tax increases on all productive parts of our economy. >> that's the criticism from the
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right. let me read you the criticism from the left and aoc in a tweet. she wrote, this is not nearly enough. the importance is it's $2.5 trillion over ten years. the covid package was 1.9 trillionion alone. needs to be way bigger. given that, what is the white house plan to move it forward into a passable bill. >> that's the challenge facing the white house right now and democratic leaders, particularly in the house where they have very little room for error and in the senate where they have basically no room for error in terms of keeping the democratic lawmakers together. but right now the public relation efforts start with the big cabinet meeting today later this afternoon where the president and each member of the cabinet will discuss the parts of the bill. you already have senior cabinet
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officials and white house officials brief senators, members of the house on the legislation yesterday. and it's just going to be a very long messy process. i mean you have the $1.9 trillion covid relief bill go through congress pretty rapidly just in the first 50 days of president biden's tenure in the white house. this is a much longer timeline. you know, we are talking months in advance. so it's going to be months of legislative wrangling and trying to get all democrats onboard because it's not only incoming from the left of the democratic caucus as you mentioned with aoc, but there are moderates in the caucus who are concerned with the level of spending in the bill and also you have several house democrats who want to reverse tax deductions that were limited in president trump's tax bill four years ago. lots of moving parts there. it's going to be a tough task. >> paging goldilocks.
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>> let the $2 trillion sausage making begin. it's going to be complicated and ugly. in the meantime can you help us understand what's going on with matt gaetz. we now know there was a department of justice investigation into him for some sort of sex crime with a minor. okay? that started over the summer under the trump administration. now he has come out publicly and said that he's the victim of some sort of extortion connected to that. maybe that's true. maybe it's a distraction. maybe they're both true. we just don't know. can we just go back to the original crime? what is it they were investigating? >> he's being investigated by the feds for, you know, alleged sex crimes with a 17-year-old girl and taking her across state lines. obviously it's a very serious
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allegation against congressman gaetz. it's complicate. you have congressman gaetz's statement that his family is being targeted as part of an extortion attempt and my coll colleagues at the "washington post" and other outlets reported last night there's this new kind of wrinkle, new kind of complication involving a long held u.s. siege in iran and two men approached representative gaetz's father as part of this potential deal and that's what prompted gaetz's father to go to the fbi. yes, all of that kind of detracts from the initial allegation, which is very serious, and there are political implications as well for the house republican leadership. you know, kevin mccarthy, the top house republican was asked about this, whether he would seek to remove representative
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gaetz from particularly the judiciary committee while he is being investigated by doj, and he said they're very serious allegations certainly, but right now congressman gaetz says they aren't true, and if they are, he'll be removed from the committee. it's kind of a lower standard that members of congress have been held to in terms of committee removal and other assignments if they are under federal investigation. >> all right. more story lines in the sick soap opera. thank you very much. millions of doses of johnson & johnson vaccine were ruined because of a human error at a manufacturing plant. what impact will this have on america's supply? that's next.
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okay. listen to this. millions and millions of doses of the johnson & johnson vaccine have been ruined after an employee accidentally mixed up ingredients. this is such a shame. i mean 15 million doses, and that's a single-dose vaccine. in other words, 15 million americans could have soon been vaccinated with the j&j thing if not for this lab screw up. i know these things happen but that seems like a large-scale screwup. again n the scheme of millions of americans who need to be vaccinated, maybe it's a fraction, but how big of a setback is it? >> it's a setback of people's confidence. they read headlines and hear and
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think, can i trust it. yes, they can. no single person was ever given a product that wasn't going to help them stay out of the hospital or die from the coronavirus. yeah, there's a confidence piece to this but there's the other side. you have three products all of which keep you out of the hospital, protect your lungs from covid pneumonia, and save lives. a shame it's going to be delayed a little bit, but it does to me underscore the approach we have, which is several different options and not just one solitary rollout. >> this is a massive mishap. we've got statistics. this is from the new york city department of health. they wrote that in the week of march 15th, 2021, variants represent 70% of the cases
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sequence. the rapid increase suggests they're more infectious than previously circulating variants achlvariants. that is a serious thing. anecdotally, are you seeing younger people in the hospital compared to those who had been hospitalized recently? >> yes, anecdotally. also in data sets here and around the country, the average age of the hospitalized covid patient has become lower and lo lower. that makes sense. the older population is increasingly protected by the vaccines, so it affects younger people. it takes enough infections for young people to be hospitalized. if you infect 50 older people, many of them will be in the hospital, but it might take hundreds of patients, and then
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you'll see dozens of younger adults in the hospital. that's what you'll see. the hospitalization rate is higher in young adults. that's a concern. they're very contagious variants and those who don't have access to the vaccine are younger adults, parents in the prime of their work lives. these have long-tail implications. we've been asking for people to hold out for the vaccine. >> thank you very much for all the information. so it was another very emotional day in court with the derek chauvin trial. we break down the key moments and what impact they could be having on the jury. that's next. an annuity can help cover essential expenses in retirement. have the right financial professional show you how... this is what an annuity can do. facing collagen that's all hype?
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the murder trial of derek chauvin resume this morning following a day filled with emotional testimony and never-before-seen video of george floyd's deadly encounter with police.
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joining us now with the key moments, cnn's legal analyst elie honig. what stood out to you? >> i've seen a lot of witnesses testify. i'll never forget that. charles mcmillian was the 61-year-old man who witnessed what happened that day outside of cup foods. at one point the prosecutors played for mcmillian some of the police body camera footage. his reaction was indelible. let's take a look at that moment. >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. i can't breathe, man. >> stop it right here, please. mr. mcmillian, do you need a minute? >> i feel helpless.
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>> that moment will be seared in the minds of the jurors, and we saw from mr. mcmillian we've seen from so many witnesses in the trial, that lingering sense of trauma, of selflessness, self-doubt. we saw the young cashier yesterday, christopher martin. both of them said they wish something more could have been done to help george floyd. >> we got to also hear for the first time derek chauvin's voice, i guess his justification on that body cam video saying, you know, we have to control him, he's a sizable guy. what is the prosecution trying to do there? >> the prosecution is trying to take the jury inside the mind of derek chauvin at the key moment in this trial. to set the stage, derek chauvin has just knelt on george floyd's neck for 9 1/2 minutes. george floyd's lifeless body had been taken away, and we got to
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hear exactly what derek chauvin said at that moment. let's take a moment. >> i was trying to control the guy. he's a sizable guy. he looks like he's probably on something. >> now, on the one hand, the jury has now heard chauvin's defense. prosecutors sometimes say don't do the defendant's defense for him. if he wants to take a defense, let him take the stand and cross-examine him. notice how calm he is after he's just taken the life of a human. that shows derek chauvin utterly didn't care what happened to george floyd or else intended for him to be hurt. >> elie, that was one example. what's the importance of that particular piece of evidence in this trial, the body cam footage? >> i've taught police departments how to use body cameras. it will protect good cops and
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expose bad ones. it puts the jury directly in the officer's shoes and will show you almost exactly what the officer saw and heard in real time. let's take a look at some of the most important body camera footage we saw yesterday. >> roll the window down. >> man, damn [ bleep ] man. i can't breathe. oh, my god, i can't believe this. i can't breathe. i can't breathe. i can't breathe. mom, i love you. >> okay. this will allow the jury to make the key decision in the case. in that situation we saw, was derek chauvin's conduct reasonable and necessary or excessive and perhaps criminal? >> elie honig, very helpful. we'll have to leave it there. new york prosecutor s s hav
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we have an update into the criminal investigation of the trump organization. cnn has obtained sworn deposition s and interviews wit former employees. we found out that president trump had pushed off duties on his chief financial officer, but we found that he was deeply involved in the company's financial decisions. >> alisyn, good morning. one thing to look at is the 2007 deposition where former president donald trump is under oath and he's asked questions how did he prepare his financial statement and come up with the values for his properties. he said under oath most of these decision ultimately came down to his chief financial officer
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allen weisselberg. here's what he said. he ultimately comes up with something and i'm not sure if i said change this number, change that number, we'll talk about it, and he'll do it. both times the former president would say mr. wising weisselber that one. he was asked if he inflated his assets. he said not beyond reason. they asked if he exaggerated. he said, everybody does, who wouldn't. seven springs is the family estate in new york north of new york city. in the financial statement he valued that property one year at $80 million, the next at $150 million. so the lawyer asked trump what made up for that huge leap in value. he said that was based on his opinion. he was asked, did you consult any appraisers or experts.
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he said, no, it was his opinion. the big question is are these embellishments something that are the norms within new york real estate or was he involved in illegal activity. one of the key people in this is going to be allen weisselberg. >> it's interesting to see how tens of millions is run into the normal course of business, but i'll leave that to the prosecutors. what about allen weisselberg? >> they're asking questions about his sons and daughters. his daughter said it was based on gifts and compensation they had received and "the new york times" said they have spd allen weisselberg's personal records. interesting in a 2015 deposition he was asked by a lawyer, you
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know, ryu you under the ultimate control of donald trump and weisselberg said yes. his lawyer has not talked to us. cohen said during his testimony they reverse-engineered the numbers to get to the numbers donald trump wanted. he's somebody the prosecutor have met with eight times. donald trump has called him a lawyer. it's important to note that they've not been accused of any wrongdoing. it's an ongoing investigation, complicated investigation. the trump organization would not comment to us but said they have complied with the law. so the texas rangers will be the only major league team with no limit on fans on opening day. what president biden sayser that next.
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it's opening day for major league baseball, one of the best days of the year. and there are going to be fans in the stands this time, but some stadiums are going to be more packed than others. >> reporter: 29 of 30 teams are opening their stadiums at 50% or lower. texas will be opening to all fans. it was met with widespread criticism including president biden who expressed his reservations with espn last night. >> i think it's a mistake. they should listen to dr. fauci
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and the scientists and the experts, but i think it's not responsible. >> reporter: the washington nationals will be without five players for today's home opener against the mets due to a positive covid test. the unnamed player will be out for ten days, the other four could be out seven because of their close context. finally, paige becker is the first ever to win player of the year. the huskies will face arizona tomorrow night with the game. >> a freshman won player of the year? incredible. good to see you. "new day" continues right now. new video dominated testimony wednesday, showing the initial moments of george floyd's arrest. >> i can't control this guy because he's a sizable guy.
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