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a very good wedednesday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto in new york. >> and i'm poppy harlow live from detroit this morning. beautiful morning again. what a night. we are just hours away from the second round of critical high stakes debates tonight. here's a live look inside the cnn debate hall in the historic fox theater where front-runner joe biden and senator kamala harris will face-off tonight in their highly anticipated rematch. harris hit biden on civil rights in the first debate, but the former vice president vows tonight will be much different promising he will not be as polite this time around. his team says he will punch back
at whatever attacks come his way, but tonight he won't just have harris to worry about. senators cory booker and kirsten gillibrand and others making it very clear they will take on biden, jim? >> we will be watching for that tonight. in last night's debate the power struggle on full display. the fight an open one between progressive and more moderate democrats. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren defending their big policy ideas, namely medicare for all arguing that pushing for radical change won't just hand donald trump a second term. cnn's athena jones inside the debate hall, and we saw those fault lines within the party on clear display last night, so some spirited exchanges. >> absolutely, good morning, jim. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren were at center stage last night and they spent a lot of time fending off attacks on their policies from moderate
candidates but they avoided clashing with each other. >> the ideological divides within the democratic party on full display last night. >> folks seem more concerned about scoring points or out doing each other with wish list economics. >> you're going to hear a lot of promises up here. >> we can go down the road that senator sanders and senator warren want to take us with bad policies like medicare for all, free everything and impossible promises that will turn off independent voters and get trump re-elected. >> what are you saying to congressman delaney? >> you're wrong. >> the moderates questioning their electability with their progressive agenda and slamming their key proposal, medicare for all. >> i'm saying the policies of this notion you're going to take private insurance away from 180 million americans who many don't want to get rid of it, many of
them do want to get rid of it but some don't. you might as well-fedx t fed ex election to donald trump. >> it covers all health care needs for senior citizens. it will finally include dental care, hearing aids and eyeglasses. second of all -- >> warren and sanders appeared united. >> i think democrats win on uniting real solution, when we run on things workable not fairy tail economics. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. >> to win this election and defeat donald trump, which by the way in my view is not going to be easy, we need to have a campaign of energy and excitement and of vision.
i get a little bit tired of democrats afraid of big ideas. s are not afraid of big ideas. >> it is time to stop were yg about what the republicans will say. it's true that if we embrace a far left agenda, they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. if we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they're going to do? they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. so let's stand up for the right policy and go out there and defend it. >> reporter: in the wake the latest mass shooting in california. >> call out white supremacy for what it is, domestic terrorism, and it poses a threat to the united states of america. we live in a country now where the president is advancing environmental racism, economic racism, criminal justice racism,
health care racism. >> reporter: beto o'rourke highlighting his call to address voting rights. >> segregation and jim crow and suppression is alive and well in every aspect of the economy and of the country. >> reporter: outsider marianne williamson also issuing a warning to the candidates. >> going to deal with the dark psychosic force then i'm afraid the democrats are going to see some very dark days. now, tonight we'll have ten more candidates duking it out on this stage. front-runner joe biden will be front and center. he'll be surrounded on either side cory booker and kamala harris. he's likely to be a huge target for both of those candidates as well as sbh others on the stage. the vice president has said he's going to be more aggressive fighting back so we'll be watching to see how he defends
himself but if he'll be able to make a persuasive afirming for his candidacy. >> athena jones right there on the stage, thanks very much. >> great reporting, athena, thank you. we have a great team in detroit to break it all down. all right, guys and gals. i think this moment between elizabeth warren and john delaney summed up the moment. let's play it. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. >> did she make her lane last night? did she make a lane to say, hey, liberals that have been coming to me from sanders keep coming? >> she did. she was able to make that message to a liberal part of the party. the key question is whether or not that's going to drive away volters who are more moderate, suburban, who may be
uncomfortable with medicare for all only getting private insurance but she made the case we have to fight, that the economy is not working for the broader middle class and we have to have bold big structural change because the moderate ideas aren't going to energize him and that's the question democrats are facing. do you increase the voter turn out in places like detroit, or do you try to win back some of the voters. >> they're fighting these numbers supporting medicare for all and adjusting the aca and you talk about your great column and you talk about the center being sensible and being called conservative like for advocating obama policies. >> that's exactly right, but the ideological litmus test being applied right now would be republican like, would not be called a democrat, public option, something he wanted that he couldn't get that now i think is being backed by biden as opposed to taking away private
insurance and have government take away health care which is what republicans falsely called obamacare in the first place. over and over we see that. the party has a choice. it does have to build up it's base in places like detroit, philadelphia, milwaukee. >> he scared you the most last night as a conservative? i mean scared as in they can beat trump? >> i told governor steve bullock, he was just out hereafter a last show, i said, look, very nice to meet you, i hope i never see you again. >> you thought he was that good? >> i had used to be afraid of joe biden. joe biden does not frighten me, steve bullock frightens me. listen, steve bullock will catch fire. he's a great performance. he looks the part. he sounds reasonable. she's a very bright guy, and he's governing, he's wanted in a
state trump is wanted in. >> can i push you on that, when you say looks the part what do you mean he's another white man? he looks like -- >> he looks like somebody you would vote for. >> no, he looks like, okay, sorry, make me bad, but he looks what hollywood cast as a president. >> i'm just asking you america is much more diverse. >> listen, the pig winner last night, donald trump was the big win, the clear winner. >> something tells me maria car done does not think that, but i do want to play you a moment i think was a weakness for bernie sanders. we're not going to play it, i'll just tell you about it. but he was asked such a smart question. is giving away health care for free and college for free just going to incentivize more illegal immigration in this
country? he didn't really answer that. let me quote you all he said on that and then he pivoted. no, because we will have stronger border protection, that's it and then he moved forward. and i was like, what, where's the rest? >> and i think that's a deeper discussion the party need to have, no question about that. but i think what was interesting about last night you did see the contrast and the tension between the moderates and the more progressive and the more liberals. i think elizabeth warren was clearly the winner of the night. i think she's going to continue to attract all of those liberals and progressives that have been coming over for bernie. bernie did show up in a way i don't think he did in the first debate, but i don't think he did it well enough to stem the tide of all the liberals. >> and not all but some are. >> i think one of the things she did well, i think she did it better where she did the panel after the debate is that she actually talked about how perhaps there could be a way for this medicare for all where
people could do transition, where there could be some options. i think as we progress on this, there is going to have to be a discussion how we get there. >> we'll see that tonight calm lah harris, part of her conversation, too. just a reality check because we're using a lot of terms. if you look at the break down of the democratic party, only 20% of the democratic primary voters say they're liberal. i think warren did a great zwraub of making that be aspirational last night and sanders was more angry. however, that still is not enough to call together a majority especially in a general. don't forget that. >> i i also want to make the point a lot of people want to say the other tay i was arguing the democratic base liked the term socialism and if you actually talk about the democratic base as including latinos, african-americans, that is not their case. >> david, listen to this.
here was pete buttigieg last night putting people on notice. >> if you are watching this at home and you are a republican member of congress, consider the fact that when the sun sets on your career and they are writing your story of all the good and bad things you did in your life, the thing you will be remembered for is whether in this moment, with this president you found the courage to stand up to him or you continued to put party over country. >> he then quoted scripture from the bible, compelling, meaningful. >> it's 60 plus million people voted for the president and mayor pete is completely wrong. >> on what? >> a lot of people who voted -- a lot of people who voted for the president will also say i like what he's done for the economy, i like the policies, i don't like hearing the stuff he's said. i'll say it again, mr. president, please tweet out the
positive things. let's talk about job growth in michigan, you know, real wage increases, all the positive things we're doing for this country. let's stick to those things. one plus one plus one to two wave got the to win. >> i think what pete pointed out yesterday not just democrats but you see poll after poll, trump is losing people that did vote for him, that wanted him to look out for them and not focus on all this racism and bigotry. >> but let's just remember this is referendum on donald trump, this will be an election against a candidate and listen if there's a candidate out there advocating that 200 million americans lose their health care, get moved into some sort of ephemeral system that costs $30 trillion -- >> hold on, guys.
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all right, welcome back. i'm poppy harlow. we are live in detroit this morning, and right now ten more presidential hopefuls are gearing up for night two of the cnn democratic debates. tonight they will take the stage here in detroit to share their vision for america, the most anticipated headline, rematch between joe biden and senator kamala harris. he's certainly not the only one expected to go after the former vice president. our panel is back with us. you name it, kirsten gillibrand laid her cards out, she's going to go after him it seems. cory booker clearly if you read any of his tweets, he's going to go after him. so as we look ahead to tonight john avlon, what we're hearing from the biden team is that he's going to punch back, but i wonder is he going to punch first. >> i don't know if it's in his character to punch first, but i do think he's going to show he's focused and fired up and ready for the debate.
it'll solidify perceptions from the first debate. he didn't know how to respond when kamala harris went after him. the other thing to look at in the macrofield. >> you said he was right twice in the last block so -- >> it's a point i think democrats need to understand. this is us building bridges, people. the entire trump campaign is clearly predicated on a message, when a couple of support legalizing private insurance, it walks right into that play book, so when democrats do get really caught up in the idea of sort of an enthusiastic base appeal at the expense of demonizing the center of their own party let alone independents and swing voters, they're playing right into the trump campaign. >> was bullock effective with his wish list economics over and
over and over in the face of that? >> i was he was effective as a new candidate on the stage a lot of people were getting introduced to for the first time. joe biden will be a familiar face and he'll be trying to make a similar argument saying all these progressive candidates are too ambitious and promising things they can't actually provide. he'll say i have a record, remember i did all of these things with obama -- >> except it's so clear with elizabeth warren last night why are you running for president if you're not going to shoot for the moon? >> well, biden will say i have a progressive record but i did not push away policies. biden will will sai i have an alternative plan that will get and just finish the job by providing a public option. >> if he can finish the job becomes the public option.
>> i won't make you answer this question but let's just play a few of the highlights from marianne williamson last night. >> we have communities particularly communities of color disadvantaged all over this country suffering from environmental injustice. this is part of the dark underbelly of american society. it's 200 to $500 billion, payment of a debt that is owed. that is what reparations is. we need some deep truth telling. we need to recognize when it comes to the economic gap between blacks and whites in america it does come from a great injustice that has never been dealt with. >> what is her role, now, maria, in this party? >> i think, you know, she's very popular. she's got a great following and anybody who meet her, and i met
her briefly an at event i did two weeks gow e, she's incredibly impressive. what she demonstrated last night, poppy, i think is something a lot of democrats don't do and that's speaking to the heart and soul, not just of the democratic party especially in the midst of what we're doing right now, but, look, i think the democratic party, independents and americans as a whole see this president as not representative of the whole of american values especially in the last two weeks when he's demonstrated -- >> what struck me with her is when she said and i'm paraphrasing i'm normally super lefty like bernie and elizabeth warren, but i don't know about your medicare for all thing. i don't know, what do you make of her? what does she mean for this party and this dedivide and debate over where's the heart of the party? >> listen, i really can't speak to her appeal. i don't -- >> you're not her demo?
>> i do think, however, she makes some very valid points about reparations. she obviously strikes a cord among a certain group of folks in the party, and as you point out correctly she says, look, i'm as lefty as everybody else but i think you guys are going too far. when she says that, this is now your spiritual advisor telling you this. >> so maybe if she -- >> david wants us to be painted in this whole everyone's for medicare for all. that was the focus last night and i actually loved that it was so focused on -- >> okay, so let me go to -- imagine this scenario you have the delivery of marianne williamson with the sort of policy proposals and credentials in terms of work history with hickenlooper. we'll talk to him on the show
was messaging but here was a moment i wonder if you think was effective from hickenlooper. >> the policies of this notion that you're going to take private insurance away from 180 million americans who many of them don't want to remember it or the green new deal, make sure every american is guaranteed a government job they won't, a that is disaster at the ballot box. you might as well fedex the election to donald trump. >> we had elizabeth warren saying make sure the people and party are enthused and excited. you have a number of people who say let's be the adults in the room and talk about what we can actually get done. i think tonight you might see joe biden and maybe even kamala harris bridge that gap and say we can excite the party and be progressive while also be pragmatic. >> what's dheel wieal with
hickenlooper? is it the messaging that he's not breaking through? >> look, his record is stellar in terms of governing. two term colorado governor. politically moved to state from conservative to swing to even lean dem. good record on taking on the nra, building bridges, i think he's authentically a centric person and he's had a hard time connecting in a really visceral way. but the party again loses that experience out of peril because your promises have to be rooted in your record otherwise it's just rhetoric. >> thank you all very much. i love the kumbaya and you said the nice things about irving. >> so bernie sanders feels americans love his medicare for all plab but brand new polling
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unapologetic progressive senators elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. with me now is the congressman currently serving as cochair of the burny sanders 2020 campaign. we appreciate you taking the time this morning. >> let's get right to the signature issue of last night's debate but also top of the list of the concerns that of course health care. the debate focusing on medicare for all or a more moderate plan. the main argument against it which you've heard from congressman delaney and others is the majority of americans, they want to keep their employee' sponsored plan. i wonder what your response is, particularly take a look at this polling. this is survey from kaiser. it found even among democratic voters they would prefer building on the affordable care act, obamacare over medicare for all by a wide margin. >> so why is this the right policy, medicare for all if a majority of democratic voters don't want it?
>> kaiser isn't exactly an objective source in the polling. it show republicans and the moderates are in terms of health care for all -- >> that's not entirely true, congressman. when voters are explaining they'll have to give up their employer sponsored health care plan, support drops as well. >> but if you ask the second question, this means you have to keep your doctor, support goes back up. >> how do you keep that promise? i'm just trying to figure out how ayou make all that happen. >> sure. i think it's the way senator moinahan and and the bill very
clearly bernie sanders wrote the law. people wrote basic medicare, everyone will get that. and if people want more supplemental insurance, they can. it just says you can't have duplicative insurance. >> why would employers sponsor medicare for all, and unions in particular a key part of the democratic race they lost plans they fought for years. >> the unions have explicitly endorsed medicare for all and that's because they know two things. one, medicare for all is going to be better benefits for their members with lower costs, but second, they don't want to waste their time bargaining for basic health care, they want to bargain for better working conditions and better pay. if you allow for medicare for all, they will actually be able to bargain better and that's why every major union is for medicare for all. >> union members have a different view.
i want to ask you about this because you saw sanders and warren in lock step yesterday. there was a lot of talk leading into this debate they might clash, try to establish thelselves as the leader among progressive. in the end they were together fighting off attacks from the moderate wing. but for voters who have to make a choice, progressive voters, why is bernie sanders a better choice for them than elizabeth warren? >> well, i think they both won the night for a progressive vision. i think what you saw last night with bernie sanders and why he won the debate is the real bernie sanders. he was funny, he was passionate, he had a clear vision. he was appropriately frustrated with the special interests and he is building a movement for big changes in this country. >> i have tremendous respect for senator warren, i think they both bring important voices and
i think it'll be for the voters to decide. i think both clearly had the best night. i think bernie sanders had an incredible night in pushing back and exposing the interests blocking the agenda of reform. >> your going to the border with a group of 19 house democrats, you're going to visit the u.s.-mexico border tomorrow and friday in el paso, texas. of course another issue of disagreement last night was the idea of decriminalizing or rather we should be clear what that is, illegal entrance into the country. do they face charges in criminal court or civil action? bernie sanders of course supports decriminalizing. i wonder how you defend that and how you could argue that would not give additional incentive for people to attempt to enter the country illegally? >> well, my focus is personally on making sure we end separations of children from their families, and i think actually you can do that by changing the law that currently there is no presumption against
no separation. if you change that law and you said before you can separate a child from their parents there has to be presumption against that, we can get to the issue at hand and that i think all of the democrats on the stage would agree. >> they do but the disagreement but do you think that's a good look or good position for democratic candidates? >> i respect his position, my folks s and i think the party's focus needs to be on the separation of children. even if you decriminalize and you don't change the policy which is leading to the separation, it's not going to do anything. first, the administration is relying on policy saying they're helping the child which a complete falsehood, and that's the policy i would focus on changing. >> final question, of course there was a shooting in gilroy, california, not explicit ely in your district but not far from your district in gilroy, california. what does a president if elected
have to do to change the dynamic on gun control in this country particularly when you have large numbers of republicans and many large numbers elected to vote for him. >> jim, gilroy was 30 minutes from where i live and it was heart breaking. stephen romero, and 6-year-old boy was shot to death. the bullet hit her and then hit her son, and then she calls the father and said our boy has been shot and the father runs to the hospital. when he reaches the hospital stephen is pronounced dead. it is sickening and any person, republican or democrat, we need to ask what are we letting happen to our children in this country? i really don't care about the politics. i want to see why can't we have some basic common sense laws. and i think when people hear these stories, i can't help but think it's going to move the humanity of this country.
>> sadly it hasn't yet, and so many times we're in this same position lamenting, what happens next. we appreciate you joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me on. the first round of cnn's democratic presidential debates, they're on the books. so how did voters react? residents in detroit pick their winners and losers. that's coming up.
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all making headlines this morning. how do voters here in detroit think the candidates performed in their city? spent debate night with a group of them and a little bit of beer, right, miguel, at a local pub? what did they say? >> reporter: yeah, the pub. the crowd was up for it. this was like a stone throw away from the box theater where you guys and the network was gathered yesterday. one thing was very clear coming out of that night, progressives resonated with the crowd. centrists, not so much. >> the local political activists are here, we're watching it in a spot of the historic neighborhood. who impressed you tonight? >> elizabeth warren i think she
did an excellent job. i was also impressed with buttigieg and bernie was bernie. >> the person who got the most love throughout the night was senator sanders. >> trump is a pathological liar. >> mayor buttigieg and senator warren also got a lot of love from the crowd in this room tonight. >> stop using republican talking points. >> who did you like tonight in. >> warren. i really did. >> what impressed you? >> she knows her words. >> i thought elizabeth warren did the best job tonight and empathy, energy and intelligence, grit, toughness. >> some of the centrist democrats didn't do so well tonight in this room at least. governor bullock, the congressman, delaney and ryan, they got booed at certain points here. who did you not like tonight?
>> i don't think he has the slugdss america needs right now. >> did anyone turn you off tonight? >> not yet. >> did anything stick out or surprise you in this debate? >> i'd never heard from steve bum bullock before. >> i really appreciate a candidate talking about dark forces at work. i was like, whoa, she actually said that in the debate. >> now, in addition to looking forward to tonight's second round of the debate they're also looking forward to everybody across this pub are looking forward to fewer candidates in
this race. those sort of things people are looking for, they think the process is fair, they like this many candidates are in, but they're looking for fewer candidates. poppy? >> yeah, i hear that. miguel, thank you. that was fascinating. all right, north korea issues a warning just hours after firing two short range ballistic missiles. this is the second launch in less than a week. details ahead. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today.
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calling reckless, suicidal joint military exercises between the u.s. and south korea, though these are regular exercises. this warning from pyongyang comes hours after north korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles off its east coast, the second launch in less than a week. now south korea says its military will be ready and watching all of north korea's movements. joining us now, cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, razz you knas you know president has tdismissed these because they can't reach the u.s. but there are u.s. allies very much in range of these missiles. >> they would, in fact, be hypothetically in range if some day north korea were to launch over their territory. the map shows us that just in this case, of course, where the missiles were launched from, they fell into the sea and did not pose a direct threat. but that may be, as you say, jim, small comfort. this is the third time now since may that north korea has
launched this type of short-range missile in what's a test firing. so it is getting attention from military experts in south korea, in japan, and in the united states. the question, of course, is what's north korea really up to? the sense of it is that kim jong-un is reminding nations he's out there and he's got missiles and he's willing to use them, even in this limited fashion. he has a lot of very harsh rhetoric against south korea. president trump, no direct reaction from the white house yet, but he has dismissed these missile launches in the past. what you can't ignore, even as the 2020 presidential campaign, of course, ramps up, candidates are going to have to address what would they do about kim jong-un? what would they do if there was a north korean missile launch that did threaten the united states? right now we're not hearing a lot of answers on that from either the president or the candidates, jim. >> no, we're not. and will they continue the negotiations even when there
have been no nuclear concessions by north korea? that said, we're learning those negotiations may resume again. >> right. there was a u.s. official in the dmz actually delivering photographs, apparently, of president trump's recent meeting with kim jong-un there. a north korean official apparently made it clear to them that there might be the possibility of working-level conversations. but the question will be to what end, to what goal? the administration's official policy is complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization. right now there's no indication that kim jong-un is on the road to any of that. so if they sit down and talk, what are they going to talk about? it remains to be seen. a number of u.s. officials hoping at least the talks can resume. >> that phrase, complete, verifiable, irreversible, has not been uttered by the president or senior administration officials for some time. barbara starr, thank you very much. shocking video out of cnn
this morning, after a group of neighbors used a blanket -- now watch this. a 3-year-old boy clinging for dear life from a balcony there. neighbors responding. boy drops, thankfully, into that sheet there. watch this again. it's remarkable. he tried to pull himself up. his feet kept slipping. he fell six stories, 60 feet. he was later taken to the hospital. luckily, he suffered no injuries. according to police, the boy was left alone at home while his grandmother went out for groceries. lord, what a near miss. round two of the cnn democratic presidential debates are just hours from now. a bunch of candidates are setting their sights on the clear front runner, former vice president joe biden.
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a very good wednesday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto in new york. >> and i'm poppy harlow live in detroit. it is a beautiful wednesday morning and a big night again tonight because we're getting closer to the second round of the crucial second debate here exclusively on cnn. the debate hall inside the fox theater behind me is set. it is ready to go. joe biden and kamala harris will take center stage in a rematch after the two sparred if their first debate. harris hit biden hard on civil