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mother of deese saying i can't help but look at that surveillance video. those last few moments wondering why. >> stay on that. we are here in washington for history to be made. mueller testifying. "new day" continues right now. it's finally here. robert mueller testifies today. >> the president and the attorney general have systemically lied to the person people. >> this whole narrative that was out there that they keep talking about was not there. >> i've heard all i need to hear from mueller. i read his report. i accept the findings. i don't think it's going to change the public opinion. >> the republicans are going to try to be disruptive of this. this is important. they want to be prepared. welcome to our viewers in
the united states and all around the world. this is a special edition of "new day." live from washington for an event more than two years in the making. we want to show you the scene right now in the hallway outside the hearing room. >> this is the mueller hearing. >> no, it's the political version of the who right now. because they are lined up waiting for history. there are people there holding seats. some of them have been there all night. there are people sleeping outside to get a seat inside this room for this moment in history. why? well, because after more than two years of the russia investigation, robert mueller will answer questions for the very first time. he will do it inside this hearing room before the house judiciary committee ultimately also before the house intelligence committee. these are live pictures. first the issue will be
obstruction before the judiciary committee and then the house intelligence committee. they will focus on election interference. >> robert mueller has said he will not go beyond this book. the 448-page report. >> it's a big book. >> there's a lot to dive into here. of course lawmakers will try to find inroads. now, republicans plan to confront mueller about the legitimacy of the entire probe. joining us now, two key figures from the watergate era. we have john dean, former nixon white house counsel and cnn contributor and carl bernstein, journalist author and cnn political analyst. carl, let's start with your top line about this historic day. >> this is very much about the power of television. it's a moment we haven't seen the power to be exercised in a
long time. i suppose donald trump in his nervousness understands this is about the power of television and a witness who conceivably could move the needle of the 10%, 15% of the american people who are undecided on these matters. and in addition to that, the difference between this and watergate is. in watergate, you had a witness across the table from me here, john dean, who was witness himself to the president's breaking of the law time and time again. we don't have that here. what we do have, perhaps, is the one person that can convey to the american people if he's willing saying the president has not executed the laws as he's supposed to do under article two of the constitution that he has been citing for so long. so mueller has enormous power here to move the perception of
americans. >> i want to come back and talk about article two. i think you hit on something crucial. but john dean, as minusomeone w has made history and you did. you are part of history. what do you think democrats realistically should push for from robert museumer today? >> well, i think they obviously want the key issues of his massive report somehow coming out of his mouth. either in response to question or he volunteered an opening statement. but i think they'd like tom sound bites. >> what key issues would that be? what would be the sound bite? >> well, first of all, was there collusion? and the report indicates there was collusion contrary to mr. trump's statement. >> not enough evidence to charge conspiracy. >> exactly. exactly. no conspiracy. no criminal conspiracy. but certainly multiple contacts.
and the second is there was obstruction. and how far he'll go. he merely outlined the facts, the nexus, the intent. all the elements. he didn't link them and say there was obstruction. i think he'll be asked that and pressed that today. >> carl, it strikes me if the democrats want to move the needle as you're suggesting could be possible today, they couldn't have a worse witness than robert mueller because mueller is reticent in the extreme. he has been described as everything from reluctant to uncooperative. he doesn't want to move any needles today. >> we don't know what his purpose or mind really is and what he has is probity. which is the exact opposite of what the president in his dangerous words and actions and the way he comports himself in a reckless way, mueller is the opposite. so in his very person, he has the ability to change people's
perceptions. because there's so much at odds with what the president does, says, and how he carries himself. >> i think it's important to note that in the eight minutes we have heard from him out loud, he's already said something which is remarkable and historic in its own way when he said he could not exonerate the president. just listen to this one more time. >> if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. >> so there's already that, john. >> yes. >> robert mueller has already said that. what i think democrats want and what democratic activists desperately want is for robert mueller to answer the question, well, if this fact pattern were applied to someone who was not president of the united states would you seek to indict him? would a normal person face criminal charges for what the president did? they're going to push for an answer to that question. will they get it?
>> depends upon when they do it, how artfully they word the question. he's clearly coming as a cooperative witness in the sense that he asked for the subpoena. he's now bringing a key aide who knows a lot of the details and minutia of assembling the report. that indicated to me he wants to be responsive. i think it's a matter of how he's handled and he could change the direction of the trump presidency today. >> you ask questions for a living as we do. what question would you lead with if you were on the judiciary committee? the one that happens in about an hour from now. what would you begin asking robert mueller? >> i think i would ask whether or not your report, mr. mueller, does it show the president obstructed justice in the way that most americans believe the
term would be defined? i'm not sure you'll get an explanation. i'm also not sure that our expectations aren't too high here. but what's clear is the power of this one witness. have carried the narrative thus far. trump has gotten what he has wanted thus far. half the people in the country are not that interested or they believe the president is not a criminal. they've gone along with his explanations no matter how untrue. this is a chance, a small chance to change the perception of that 10%, 15% of americans. that could make a difference in the election. it also could move nancy pelosi if this was a tv moment with a great change in dynamic that could move nancy pelosi to say we do need to have an impeachment hearing.
>> jerry nadler talked about that yesterday. he said if there was such a per po preponderance of evidence. >> i don't know that we're going to get anything new. >> you talked about what democrats want. you talked about the president getting what he wants. already getting what he wants. what does robert mueller want, do you think? >> i don't know. i suspect that mueller is offended by the way he's been treated by attorney general barr and the way barr disingenuously and dishonestly characterized that report. held onto it for several weeks without mr. mueller's interpretation being conveyed. because mueller conveyed his interpretation in the report. it is devastating. but it's not what barr represented it was. so i wonder and i've talked to
people who know mr. mueller. whether whether or not he is deeply offended by the conduct of the attorney general. and certainly i think we know that he is deeply offended by the conduct of the president. it's in his report. how can he be drawn out of it? >> just give us some thoughts. in the hour before you were going before the committees, what are you doing? >> couple things are very different. i would testify five days. i didn't know it would be five days. i didn't know when they went up they asked me to read my entire statement. it was 60,000 words. had i known it was going to be 60,000 -- or i'd have to read it, it wouldn't have been 60.
it may have been six at the most. i was also in the witness protection program. i was accompanied by marshals who dealt with a crowd. a friend to me said i didn't realize how important your hearing was until i learned that john lennon and yoko had lined up to come to your hearing. then i knew you were saying something important. >> so that one day and that day only you were bigger than the beatles. that's something we can say. thank you very much for the historical perspective here. we'll all be watching this closely together. we have other breaking news to tell you about. a source telling cnn that puerto rico's embattled governor ricardo rossello is expected to resign today. this comes after two weeks of those massive protests lining the streets following this corruption scandal. then the leak of the thousands of chats between rossello and some of his closest aides that were misogynistic and other
things. the texts show them using inappropriate language. news of this resignation began spreading late last night. and it sparked a celebration by those protesting and lining the streets of old san juan. puerto rico has no confirmed secretary of state. the justice secretary wanda vazquez would be next in the line of succession. >> so a transfer of power in puerto rico. and a transfer of power in united kingdom. breaking news there. it is all happening right before us at this moment. you're looking at live pictures of the skill but not for much longer by theresa may addressing parliament. this is the last time she speaks to them before she resigns. borry johnson in hours will be invited by the queen to become the prime minister. >> here's some very disturbing video. a 9-year-old girl is recovering from injuries after a bison suddenly charged right at her
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who will get to question the former special counsel later today after house judiciary committee will focus mostly on russian interference. congressman, what specifically do you want to press the special counsel on? >> i think there are very important unresolved issues about why certain things were not done. in particular, i can't for the life of me understand why the president of the united states was not put under oath and questioned so we could assess. those are the tiend of things i and others want to focus on. obviously the much larger task is the threat to our country. the ongoing counterintelligence issues and national security threats. because the russians haven't stopped. >> you're in luck on the latter point. robert mueller has made clear he
wants the focus to be on that. he went to great pains to say i wish we were focused on the russian attacks on the u.s. election system. the first question, though, i'm curious in how he'll answer that. what if robert mueller says to you if you press him on those questions, what if he says i'm not going to answer. that's not within the confines of this report? >> i'll give you an example of something. did you get the president's tax returns? well, it's not in the report. if you didn't, how do you know what the full range of russian influence was over this administration? look at what paul manafort was doing. he was trying to get paid first and foremost. and we know the president is motivated by financial gain. we know there are issues with many of his senior people that relate to money. how do you know if those people are compromised or not. is that a new question about national security or about the report? that's what bob mueller is there
to answer. >> it's robert mueller who decides whether or not he answers that question. you worked in the clinton white house. this is the first time that i've heard of house members practices, rehearsing before. what does that tell you? that you guys want to be ready for this and stay focused? >> i think it's great that members are taking it seriously and want to be prepared. look, the country has a huge national interest here. we spent a lot of time and taxpayer money on this. we need to get it right. i'm glad members are taking it seriously. i hope that that extends to both sides of the aisle and it's not agenda driven. i think if our agenda is to let the facts of this report get out, then that's a good agenda. if the other side is trying to tear down mr. mueller or to inject wild conspiracies into this, that's the wrong preparation. >> what's the best way to spend your five minutes or what's the message to your colleague? maybe fewer statements, more
questions? >> thank you for saying that. anybody who's been trained as a lawyer knows you have to listen as well as talk. maybe some of the best questions is because you heard the answer to the last one. i have the advantage of going relatively later in the day on the second kmeed. what i'm going to do is answer to his answers carefully. i think at that point in the day, there are going to be serious questions about what is left to do. >> should people care that the deputy special counsel will be sworn in sitting beside robert mueller? >> you know, i'm not sure. i think it's a very important precedent that we get other members of mueller's team to explain the work they did. in that regard, i'm pleased with it. >> i want to read you something that's inside a "washington post" article today which has democratic activists disappointed with the house democratic leadership in the way they've conducted oversight the
last few months. this is a coat from co-kpistive director for a resistance group. the entire approach has been one of weakness and fecklessness and not the kind of fighters that people were hoping would come out when they were voting for democrats last november. they have made a strategic choice thus far at least to not fight. >> you know, talk is cheap. i think that's the kind of comment that comes from people who only talk to people who already agree with them. you know, i think that if there were enough people who agreed with us, you know, we wouldn't have to talk to anybody. i think the point is that you're going to have to grow the understanding of the american public for what is in the report. that's what today is about. you're going to have to run a fair process that demonstrates whether or not impeachment is the right way to hold the president accountable. and the fact is that the republican party continues to be morally bankrupt down here in this issue. what people like that are calling for is ultimately a fruitless exercise. when some of us want genuine
accountability, we want the truth out, and we want the american public to know who they're voting for in the next election. by the way, make sure this isn't influenced by the russians. >> you are not among those calling for impeachment proceedings. >> right. and i'm glad about that. it gives me some impartiality when i'm questioning robert mueller tad. i don't want to have prejudged what the special counsel is telling us. having said that, i think the president deserves impeachment. i'm talking about whether or not at this moment we should be playing checkers when i want to play excess. i want to find a way to hold this president accountable that is going to work. and i have real questions about whether going to def con 1 is the best way to do that. >> can i ask, though. if you think the president deserves impeachment, isn't it playing politics in a different way to not instigate proceedings? >> the question is whether you engage in a fruitless exercise
when what you want is real accountability. i want him help criminally liable after he leaves office. i want to have his organization and team similarly held liable now. and i want to have the american people know who they're voting for and i want to remove him from an office with an election because i think that's what's going to work. if i thought any of those things would happen with the republican party willing to have an open mind about this, i might change my mind. but i'll tell you that i haven't ruled it out. what i'm trying to tell you is that if we get to that level, so be it. but at this point, let's hear from the special counsel and let's hold the president accountable. >> i've got 15 seconds left. reasonable expectation for today? >> you learn more about the report. maybe for the first time a lot of americans are going to hear things they have not heard because bill barr went out there and misrepresented it. today we're going to get the truth. >> congressman sean patrick maloney, great to have you here. we will be watching very closely
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obstruct that investigation. i'm jake tapper. >> and i'm wolf blitzer. there will be back-to-back hearings today. mueller will first be sworn in before the house judiciary committee who will focus on the obstruction documented in the mueller report. then the house intelligence committee will get its turn concentrating on what russia did to attack the 2016 presidential election here in the united states. >> mueller is clearly a reluctant witness. he stressed he's going to limit his testimony to what is in his 448-page report. but even if mueller only recites aloud some of the key points, that effect could be stunning and these could have blockbuster potential. we gathered our analysts to bring you full coverage. >> i want to go to capitol hill right now. manu raju is up there. manu, there have been overnight developments involving a last-minute request by robert mueller.