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>> the american people support a medicare for all single-payer program. >> what do you say to the people who say i think that his ideas are the olded in? >> look, it's -- old ideas? >> look, it's center left, that's where i am. what it's not is way left. we're assessing the damage right now. >> we were asleep in our bed and woke up to seeing things flying off the walls and being tilted like this back and forth. >> there's power outages throughout the city. there's been fires. the hospital had to be evacuated. >> i was worried we were going to have collapsed buildings. i was fearing for the worst. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is a special edition of "new day." john berman is off. john avalon joins us on this post fourth of july. good morning. a big morning because we have an cnn exclusive interview with joe
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biden. as the race tightens, biden is defending his record and laying out his policies. >> the former vice president also discusses his place in the democratic field and what may be looking for in a potential running mate. here is part two of chris cuomo's exclusive interview with joe biden. >> reporter: you versus the rest of the field on the economy, they're all going big, 70% tax rates, free college, rearchitecture of the economic, forgiving debt for college which happens to be the biggest asset on the american government's balance sheet. you do not believe in those things. >> i don't believe in the way they're doing that. for example, i think there should be health care for everyone. i have a plan how to do that that's rational and will cost a hell of a lot less and will work. in terms -- >> reporter: too incremental? >> no, it's not incremental. >> would bring back the individual mandate? >> yes, yes, ied bring back the
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individual mandate. >> you think it's popular? >> compared to what's offered. here's the deal, we're in a situation where if you provide an option for anybody who, in fact, wants to buy into medicare for all, they can buy in. they buy in. and they can do it. if they're like their employer-based insurance which a lot of unions broke their neck to get, a lot of people like, they shouldn't have to give it up. the flip is if you don't go my way and you go their way, you have to give up all that. what's going to happen when you have 300 million people landing on a health care plan? how long is that going to snake what's it going to do? in the meantime, a lot of people are going to be in trouble. in terms of the economy, chris, i've been proposing for a long time, and -- look, i know i'm middle-class joe, i get that. it's not meant i'm sophisticated -- middle class built there country. you didn't have wall street build this country. how did they do it? you gave people a chance, allowed them to maintain their diggity. how can you have dignity without
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having health care or education? how can you have dignity unless you live in a neighborhood that's not fouled by the environment and what's going on? >> reporter: how do you convince the party that these more advanced ideas, all in on medicare for all, that matter to them -- >> i would call them advanced -- >> they're popular in the party. >> by the way, watch. that's what this slekds about. i'm happy to debate that issue and all those issues with my friends. guess what, again, look who won the races. look who won last time out. by the way, i think -- i think alexandria ocasio-cortez is a brilliant, bright woman. but she won a primary. in the general election fights, who won? mainstream dwhoems are very progressive on social issues and very strong education, health care. look, my north star is the middle class. when the middle class does well, everybody does well. >> reporter: how do you do
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better economically? >> three things. one, i do raise the tax rate to 39.5%. i do, in fact, eliminate the ability for them to write off capital gains the way they do now. i would raise the -- raise billions, raise the corporate tax rate from 2 20% to 28%, it s 36. to 28%. i'll raise millions. >> trump will say that's what brought the economy up to the way it is, the tax cuts. >> ask the people in this restaurant how the economy came up for them. ask how good they feel about it, how the stock market is working. ask how driving the $2 trillion greater in debt has done anything for them. >> reporter: on health care, do you believe that undocumented people should have health care in this country? >> i think undocumented people need to have a means by which they can be covered when they're sick. so the idea is that's what i think we should be doing by building more clinics around the country. not just for undocumented, for people when they're ill, when they're sick. people need -- this it common decency. you're not -- this is common
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decency. you're not going to let people -- >> reporter: well over 50% of people polled say up documented people shouldn't have health care on our dime. >> in an emergency, anybody here in the country should have health care. how do you say you're undocumented, i'm going to let you die, man? what are you going to do? you know, the idea that, you know, i hear the stuff about how they're killing social security, et cetera. those who don't judge jobs, they've increased the life span of social security by close to a dozen years. we got this -- this is part of what trump is playing on. he's playing -- >> reporter: it works for him, the issue of law and order versus a left that seems like it's open borders because it means it's lawless. you have people who are running close to you now saying decriminalize coming illegally. do you believe that should be decriminalized? >> no, i don't. i think people should have to good night in line. if people are coming because they're actually seeking asylum,
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they should have a chance to make their case. i would be surging as we did and barack and i did, surging folks to the border to make those concrete decisions. look, the other thing, chris, is why are they coming? the reason the vast majority these people coming from guatemala, el salvador is because they're in trouble. crime rates are high. in guatemala, you can't turn on a light switch. i put together a $740 million program with republicans, i might add. at the very end say we'll make a deal with you. you do the following things to make your country better so people don't leave, and we will help you do that. like what we did in colombia. we said, okay, and i was one of the architects of the plan in colombia. i said here's the deal, if you have drooked cops, federal police, we're sending our fbi down. you let us put them through lie detector tests. let us tell you who to fire and
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tell you the kind of people you should hire. they did and began to change. we can do so much if we're committed. >> reporter: what do you say to people in the party when say, yeah, i like joe biden but i think that his ideas are the old ideas? the new ideas i see a war, a see a sanders, a harris, you poll lower than them on ideas for the future. what do you say to them? >> i say to them look at my ideas. take a look at my ideas. i haven't seen those polls. i haven't seen where people said -- what i've seen around the country is the vast majority of democrats are where i am on the issues. we've got to be aggressive. and they're big ideas. the big idea on education, on health care, on dealing with the environment. i love how all of a sudden -- i wish i had been labeled as moderate when i was running in delaware back in the days when it was -- >> 80% of the party says it's center left. it's getting amplified --
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>> it is -- >> reporter: there's a disconnect. >> look, it's center left. that's where i am. where it's not is way left. now look, but that's what we can find out. that's what this debate is about. >> reporter: do you think you need, if you win the nomination, to have a female v.p.? >> i think it would be great to have a female v.p. if i don't win, it would be great to have a female president. the question is, whose issues are best prepared in their wheelhouse. they've demonstrated they know how to deal with them. >> reporter: would you consider not having a woman as a v.p.? >> look, here's the first thing about being a v.p., i've learned that today's environment there's so much a president has on his or her plate, they need someone they completely trust, that they're simpatico with, have the same political approach, and you can delegate significant authority to. the president when he delegated authority to me from the moon shot to -- to ukraine, he gave
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me the authority to make decisions because he knew i knew where he was. high knew that i knew some being it. he knew we were sympatico. that's what i'm looking forment. >> reporter: do you think a democrat ticket can win without a woman in one of the two slots? >> the answer is yes. i think it helps having a woman on the ticket. and there's a lot of qualified women out there. >> reporter: is kamala harris assuming she doesn't win outright, is she still somebody you would consider as a running mate? the. >> look, one of the things i'm not going to get into because it got news before is when i was asked -- i don't even have the nomination, and i'm presuming who i might pick as a vice president. that's easily flipped on me and saying, well, biden's being arrogant. biden thinks i'll have him as my vice president. i'm not going to comment on any individual. a woman came up to me i guess it was, i don't know, a month ago, i was in new hampshire. said --
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>> reporter: i'm almost done -- >> why shouldn't i vote for a woman? i said, you should. if you think that person's most qualified at the moment right now deal with our -- vote. i'm not suggesting you vote for women. look, i have spent my career from writing the -- to say my daughters and granddaughters can do anything, and i mean anything, anything that a man can do. anything. and so i don't have a doubt in my mind. if i started naming some of the people around the country, women who are not running for president, who are fully qualified to be vice president. again, it's presumptuous, man. there's a lot of really qualified women out there. >> reporter: in terms of -- last question -- in terms of what we haven't seen -- i remember -- hi, last question. last question, i promise. [ inaudible ] last question, i promise. the last thing i remember
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talking about politically with you, beau, was, you know, what is the quality, you know because he was asking me about, you know, what do you take from your father in this? beau biden said to me, nobody fights like my father. what does that mean to you to fight harder than anybody else? >> i think it means two things. one, to fight without being personal. to fight and convince. the role of a president is toer with suede, not just fight. if they want a bare-knucked fight, closed hand, closed heart, they've got one of those guys right now. that's not me. i have been pretty darn good at bringing people together. the whole idea of america is that when we're together there's not a damn thing we can't do. look, the most incredible response i always get for the last three years -- when i talk about how optimistic i am about the future.
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people know it. they feel it. they know it. they understand it. and we can't stay in this state. what are we going to do? what are we going do if we can't get along better? part of it is persuasion and people looking at you saying i know what he means, he'll stay with what he says, and he'll do what he says he's going to do. i think that's part of leading. we'll find out. >> reporter: thank you for the time. >> really interesting stuff. interesting stylistically, interesting substantively. so we will dive into joe biden's ideas and his plans and his campaign strategy. our 2020 campaign reporters will weigh in next. wireless network claims are so confusing.
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okay, cnn's exclusive interview with former vice president joe biden is chock full of headlines. biden discussed his health care plan and whether undocumented immigrants should be covered. here's that moment. >> on health care, do you
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believe that undocumented people should have health care in this country? >> i think undocumented people need to have a means by which they can be covered when they're sick. and so the idea is that's what i think we should be doing by building more clinics around the country. not just for undocumented, for other people when they're ill, when they're sick. people need -- this is just common decency. they're not going to let somebody -- >> unpopular -- >> i know it is. >> well over 50% of people polled say undocumented people here should not have health care on our dime. >> well, let me tell you something, in an emergency, they should have health care. everybody should. anybody here in the country. how do you say you're undocumented, i'm going to let you die, man? >> let's talk about and more. we have rebecca buck and arlett sines, political reporter. arlett has followed the biden campaign along the trail. we have white house correspondent for the "washington post." great to have all of you help us dissect everything that the former vice president said in
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this interview. let's start there. basically he's saying, you know, there was that moment that everybody on stage raised their hand in the debate for would you insure undocumented immigrants. and joe biden was not the first hand upment and his was the first hand down actually. there was a feeling of did he reluctantly join the pack. here he clarified. it sounded like for catastrophic care. he believes ensuring -- insuring people for catastrophic care, what am i going to say, i'm going to let you die, moon? >> this is something president trump said during the 2016 rate where he was talking about providing universal health care. he said, i'm not going to let people die in the streets. it seems like joe biden who said i am senator left is staking out a clear position and adding nuance to show that he's not as far left as the rest of the field. that he is basically trying to win over the trump voters by saying, listen, we're not going
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to let people die in the streets. we can be compassionate but not saying that we're going to give a government health care plan, government-fund eed health careo undocumented immigrants. in an emergency situation where people are dying on the streets, really in a tough place, we can provide health care for people even if they don't have documents. it does seem like he's adding additional context, additional nuance and pulling himself from the far left position that he seemed to embrace during the debates where everyone raised their hands and president trump sized on it saying all of the depends want to give taxpayer-funded health care to undocumented immigrants. joe biden seems to be say, listen, i support being compassionate, but we're not going to provide a full slate of benefits for e-mail who don't have papers. >> and that's a great kmrc-- gr example of the larger fight for the democratic party that's going on. and rebecca, joe biden has been positioned as someone who's a centrist, on the right of his
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party perspective live. you've covered congress. if you look at the voting record in 2007, he was the third most-liberal senator s. this a case of the democratic party moving so far left that it's moved him by, or is it a case of the far left having a louder voice than the rank and file? >> i thinks it's the last -- i think it's the latter. right now the progressive wing of the party is incredibly vocal and powerful in washington. when you look at the polling that we've seen throughout the election cycle looking issue by issue where democratic voters are and also do they identify more as moderate centrist democrats or liberal democrats, you see that the democratic voters still are by and large quite moderate. this is joe biden's case hoo he's been making as to why he is the best candidate to be the democratic nominee and take the party into the general election because many democratic voters out there across the country still are quite moderate. they aren't as far left as some
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of the conversation we've been hearing in washington, for example. and he is sort of getting the big share of these moderate voters at this point. as we've seen in the polling, his lead is tenuous, fragile at this point. you have kamala harris and others trying to get that moderate piece of the democratic vote. and that was exactly why she made the play she did in the debate. >> he spoke directly to that. we heard the former vice president tell chris about basically how he believes being moderate is the way to go and the winning strategy. let's listen to that moment. >> look who won the races. look who won last time out. by the way, i think alexandria ocasio-cortez is a brilliant, bright woman, she won a primary -- in the general election fights, who won? mainstream democrats who were very progressive on social
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issues and very strong on education, health care. look, my north star is the middle class. when the middle class does well, everybody does well. >> so that sounds like that will be his kind of overarching message for his campaign. >> yeah. it is. you've heard biden prescribe plans that, one, he's center left, and two, he's an obama-biden democrat. as you have seen throughout the campaign, biden has pushed back against that notion that there has been this left tilt in the party. he had talked about how congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez is a brilliant and bright woman. but he just doesn't think that the party has gone that far left, as you have heard him say. he's made the argument that there are loud voices in the democratic, on the left ward side of the party. going forward, you know, biden,
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he's said he doesn't want to make any of these criticisms personal. he's also starting to drill in on the i. you've seen -- on the issues. you've seen him keep focused on president trump throughout the campaign. in the interview he's staking out clear policy differences when it gloss medicare for all -- it comes to medicare for all, also decriminalizing border crossing, something that former hud secretary julian cast crow led on that biden is pushing back on. and you see him try to make the differentiation between himself and the other democratic candidates as he has to get through them first in order to get to president trump. >> that was a fascinating point he kept making. i'm a fighter but without making it personal. a president needs to be. let's take a listen to what he said to look for in a v.p. >> reporter: do you think you need if you wthe nomination to
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have a female v.p.? >> i think it would be great and i think it would be great to have a female president. >> do you think a woman can win in one of the two slots? >> the answer is yes. i think it helps having a woman on the ticket. there's a lot of really qualified women out there. >> is that almost a presumptuous question to follow on? does biden run a risk of getting too detailed? >> yeah. you could see the wheels spinning in his head and not wanting to go too far and deciding whether or not to name names or engage with the question of whether or not he would support senator harris as a potential v.p. he had talked about that in the past, and he got pushback for that and sort of seeming presumptuous, seeming as if already believed himself to be the nominee. he stopped himself from going that far and just saying there are tons of qualified women who could be the vice president. and also even giving a nod saying that if he did not win the nomination that he'd love to
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see a family presidential nominee. so to does seem like he was worried about being seen as being too presumptuous there and decided not to fully engage and used it as an opportunity to speak to the women voters who are considering him but also considering the history of potentially having the first female president. the vice president wanted to show that he supports those voters, either choosing him or potentially choosing a woman to -- to be the nominee instead. >> rebecca, i want to talk about style for a second. there's a lot of substance obviously in this interview. stylistically, not every format is for every candidate. and joe biden seems to really come alive in that particular format with chris cuomo. he -- his eyes were bright. he looked energy tick. he was able to kind of show off his institutional base of knowledge from nato to north korea to russia because he has experience with all of those countries.
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he was able to kind of out to that in a way that somehow on stage with ten other people he seemed deferential. he says in this interview he didn't want to engage in the scrum. but some people rose to the occasion of engaging in the scrumment you know, that debate stage was kamala harris' format, i would say. and so what was your impression of how joe biden will come off to voters in this interview? >> you know, he came off i think so much better than he did on the debate stage, than he has in some of the early news cycles of the democratic primary. it begs the question why hasn't he been doing more one on one, sit-down interviews like this. why hasn't he been going out to present his story, to explain his positions, to defend his positions in a way that wasn't as confrontational as what you might see on the debate stage. i think this format does him a lot of favors. and he's been trying in this
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race to sort of as you suggested remain above the fray. to present himself as a front-runner return. as a statesman, someone who's above all of the squabbling of the democratic primary with two dozen candidates. but we're seeing that he hasn't been succeeding in that. so i think this shows he needs to engage a little bit more. he needs to get out there. >> fascinating, importance interview by chris cuomo. my guess is we will be seeing more of it. rebecca buck in houston where vice president biden will be speaking at the national education association later today along with many other candidates. thank you so much for joining us. and if you're just waking up, we're going to play our entire interview with joe biden in the next hour. meanwhile, former vice president biden says his position on bussing is not different from kamala harris' after all. does her campaign agree after all of this? we've asked her communications director. with us next. here are even more reasons to join t-mobile.
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former vice president joe biden talks to cnn exclusively about his ongoing squabble with senator kamala harris over bussing and race. it started in last week's debate. >> this whole thing about race and bussing. well, you know, i think if you take a look, our positionings aren't any different as we're finding out. >> were you prepared for them to come after you? >> i was prepared for them to come after me, but i wasn't prepared for the person coming at me -- she knew beau, she knows me. >> joining is senator kamala harris' communications director lily adams. good morning, lily. >> hey, good morning. good to be with you. happy july 4th. >> thank you. you, too.
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great to have you on this post-july 4th morning. so today, it sounds as though senator kamala harris' position and former v.p. biden's position on bussing is not as different as we thought it was on the debate stage. is senator harris, does she believe in federal mandates for bussing or not? >> she said she believed that in 1969 and nine 70 when she was -- 1970 when she was bussed to school that federally bussing was amemanned mori. most -- was mandatory. most agree. when she was in indianola, in iowa, is that now we're in 2019, not 1969 thank goodness, so we need new tools now. i will say vice president biden seems to stand by his opposition to bussing from back in 1969.
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i couldn't really tell from his interview. it seemed like chris was trying to pin him down. but that is a fundamental, you know, point of disagreement on his record that senator harris highlighted in the debate. and that still remains a point of disagreement. that's what campaigns are about. >> let me clarify. i don't think that this is clear. it sounds like what he's saying is that he was opposed to federally mandated bussing. however, he was in favor of the locally decided bussing which kamala harris as a young girl was part of. that berkeley decided to do that. and he said that he never disagreed. he support it. and now it sounds like she -- what she is saying is that she believes in the locally decided bussing, as well. >> no, what she said in the debate is there are times when the federal government needs to intervene like in the '60s and the '70s when, frankly, there were local opposition to a lot of the bussing. i just want to -- i think you're getting lost in the tactics here. the point of bussing back in the
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'60s and '70s was integration. it was the way that we were integrating schools so that black children and white children could learn together. and you know, vice president biden has made his position clear. he called it an assanine concept. she believes there was a role for the federal government to work to integrate bussing back then and what she's saying and maybe the vice president now agrees with this, is that now, in 2019, 40-plus years later, there are different tactics that we need to use like increasing the use of magnet schools, like having, you know, taking on the reform of federal zoning laws, like making sure that school boundaries are drawn so that diverse classrooms are made up. so these are -- you know, there's just a difference of sort of an opinion on the record. but that's what campaigns are about is about talking about people's record, it's about talking about people's ideas, and so her debate exchange with vice president mike pence i think remains a disagreement. >> and it also sounded during the debate as though she felt that he should not have worked
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with those segregationist senators. is that accurate? >> yeah. she's all for reaching across the aisle. she's all for working with people who disagree with them. but holding up segregationist senators who frankly dedicated their lives to the cause of segregation is not what we should be doing as a model for how to work together. you know, these were folks who, you know, if they had had their way, she would not be a senator. so shooul she was saying -- so that's all she was saying. there are plenty of republicans we can talk about who would be great, john mccain, you know, the senator has a bill of rand paul. there are people we can get along with that we mostly disagree with. segregation of senators is not who we should be holding up as a model for how to work together. she and senator booker made their points clear on this. that's where they stand. >> in this interview of vice president biden with chris cuomo it sounded like he took it
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personally. that he felt that senator harris sort of glossed over the nuances of his position in a way that felt like a personal attack and almost that she knew him better than that to have gone for that. what's her response? was that -- was that -- i don't want to use the word low blow because he didn't use the word low blow, but he felt it was an unnecessary personal attack. >> i don't think it was a personal attack. she starts off her comments in the debate by saying and affirming that she doesn't believe that the vice president is racist. and. she's always had respect for the vice president. i can't speak to why he was or wasn't prepared. that's for him and his team to decide and explain. what she was pointing out was a very real disagreement on the record. these are on decisions and actions that he made. this is what a presidential debate is. it's to decide who has the record, who has the ideas, who has the vision to lead the party against this -- against donald trump. i think to say that his record is not fair game or people's
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record is not fair game, frankly is unrealistic. i think that the vice president talks a lot about his record. so does kamala harris. that's what they should do. and they're going to point out disagreements where there are disagreements. >> one of the ironies of all of this talk that we've had the past week is that bussing is not at the top of any voters' list of top priorities. and yet we've gone back and looked at the record and really dissected it. and so what does she say to critics who say this was really a distraction? >> i think it was a moment in the debate and, frankly, i don't think you and i would be talking about it today if vice president's team hadn't been attacking senator harris over the weekend or fourth of july holiday. i think we are happy to talk about visions for how we integrate our schools. we're happy to talk about her vision for how we build a better middle class. we're happy to talk about what she wants to do on foreign policy. so we're more than happy to continue to talk about the issues. she did multiple events in iowa yesterday where she got questions on everything from the environment to criminal justice reform to what we're going to do
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to beat donald trump in november, 2020. so she'll continue to talk to voters all across the country. >> lily adams, thank you so much for coming on and helping clarify senator harris' position on all of this. great to talk to you. >> great to see you. yeah. another powerful aftershock just rocked southern california. that's after the strongest earthquake hit the area in two decades. we talk to a local official supervisor from near the epicenter next. ours is a proud bloodline. we hail from the battlefields to the badlands. from the mountains and the midtowns. from the islands to the highlands.
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residents in southern california just felt another strong aftershock. the usgs says it was 5.4 magnitude. this comes after the most powerful earthquake in nearly 20 years rattled that area. a state of emergency has been declared in the city of ridgecrest. that's where we find cnn's nick watt. did you just feel the aftershock, nick?
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>> reporter: oh, we certainly did. listen, the seismologists told us it was coming, and they were right. at about seven minutes after 4:00 local time, that 5.4 aftershock hit, shook us around. was strong enough to knock our satellite signal off the bird. but i would doubt it was strong enough to cause any major damage. and since then, we've had another 11 aftershocks but lower in magnitude. now the big one so far the big one of this swarm was the 6.4 that hit yesterday at 10:33 in the morning. some power lines came down, gas lines were ruptured, a few fires in ridgecrest and minor injuries. we saw people here at the ridgecrest hospital being treated for sprained ankles. that kind of thing. no fatalities. but of course, this was felt by millions of people from las vegas all the way to the coast and in los angeles it was felt
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where, of course, millions of people live and where millions of people are waiting for the big one that we all expect, that we all fear will at some time hit southern california. so authorities are really trying to use this as a teaching moment. that they are telling people, listen, you should be prepared. get ready, use this as a warning. get water, get food. at some point the big one just might hit. back to you. joining us with supervisor for the first district of kern county. i understand you were eating breakfast at denny's a while ago when you felt the aftershock. what's it feel like on the ground? >> pretty significant event, yeah. >> how's the community holding up? >> remarkable. my food fell off the fork. community's doing wonderful. we will a great mayor providing great leadership. we have good relationships with our neighbors. the state of california's weighing in, helping us out.
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kern county is doing a great job. we're doing just fine, thank you. >> everyone rallying together which is as it should be. i understand there were several buildings that were evacuated in the wake of yesterday's quake. have folks been allowed to go back to the structures at that point? >> they're still working things through. they've got some examinations to get through. but things so far are looking -- looking good. >> do you feel that -- >> they should be going back soon. >> do you feel that the building regulations in california that have been done to try to prevent major destruction from these type of squaex has helped -- earthquakes has helped, helped the resilience of the community? >> absolutely. absolutely. i was sitting in my house last night, and we had an aftershock. and i was talking with my wife, and i could tell my house was -- was rocking, rattling, and rolling. and somehow it managed to not crumble down. so i think it's structurally
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soun sound. i'm glad they did it. >> when we got the news, biggest quake in 20 years, everyone's mind goes to the big one. the faults that have had over 100 years since the last major earthquake. seems to be a question of time. do you feel that california is prepared for the big one? >> i don't know that anybody can really be completely prepared. i think who knows what mother nature is going to wreak upon us when she makes that decision. i thinking about as ready as one can be, understanding what is happening, where to go, how to communicate, what to have in your house being ready, batteries, power, foods, water, all the seshlgs of life. -- essentials of life. have those readily available when the moment comes is important. i think we're getting this. i think southern california, i know ridgecrest certainly is now. we'll see what happens when the big one comes. >> mick gleason, thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> all right. migrant children drew these
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new ilages drawn by migrant children reveal a harrowing side to the humanitarian crisis at the border. take a look at what three children drew when asked to illustrate conditions while in u.s. custody. they show children behind bars or in cages. joining us now the is executive director of catholic charities of the rio grande valley and she overseas the center in texas where the children made these drawings. tell us the back story of these drawings. how old were these kids and why did they make these drawings? >> you know the drawings were
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made after a doctor or physician asked them to make these drawings to reflect what it is their experience was like in the detention facility, so that's what happened. and it really reflects what a child carries with them and some of the memories they have with them as they move forward in their journey. >> what did you think when you saw these drawings? >> you know, children will reflect their experience, what they've been through and what they see. and so it is unfortunate that a child suffers and it's not right for them to be exposed to suffering and that's part of their experience. >> your center is kind of the way station between the children are in your custody at cbp and headed to their final destination.
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i think it shows they may have left being in custody and being in those circumstances but the situation hasn't left their psyches. they're still drawing about that. they're still processing that. >> of course, you know. there's trauma involved in all that a child experiences. and my speerps is border patrol really tries to do their best to do the job but a detention facility is not a place for a child, for a family. so that's what the experience is like for them, and it's sad to see that. >> president trump tweeted this about families in the detention centers and facing some of these, you know, squalid conditions we've heard about, reported on. here's what he tweeted this week. if illegal immigrants are unhappy with the conditions in the quickly built or refitted detention centers, just tell them not to come. all problems solved, exclamation
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point. what's your response to that? >> well, honestly i think that a child -- a child, an infant, a toddler, a mom should not be in those positions. we much have a better more humane solution to this reality. >> you were supposed to meet with president trump when he came to mccallan, texas, but that didn't happen. why didn't that meeting happen? >> well, i don't think it was in his interest to speak with me or come to the center. i think it would have been good if he did come. >> and if he had come to your center what would you have said to him? >> i would introduce him to the families and children, the moms so he can see this human aspect of the whole immigration reality
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we're experiencing right now. i think it's important for him to see that. >> were you given an explanation for why he didn't show up? >> no, i was not. i think his plan was different and that is what happened. >> people of faith such as yourself, i mean of all faiths really believe in protecting children and in providing shelter for the neediest. and so what do you say to fellow catholics or christians or whomever you want address that are having such a hard time right now with the influx of migrants and saying they should go home and really kind of demonizing, frankly, the migrants themselves? >> it's important we must never lose sight of our own humanity. we must realize they're people, human beings, they're children and not criminals. so we as a country can really
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truly provide for them an alternative to detention, a safe space, a safe passage to their quest for safety. >> well, thanks for sharing with us the back story of where these kids were when they drew these drawings and why they drew them. we were really struck when we saw those drawings and it's helpful to know what they were trying to process so thank you very much for being on "new day." >> thank you, allison. >> powerful conversation about faith and these kids and their psyches and what we're all confronting. >> they're such attention grabbing photos. when you see them they're dark. these are dark photos. obviously it just shows the kids will carry these experiences with them. they were out of custody when they drew these drawings. >> psyche scars for these parents and young children. thank you for watching.
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for our u.s. viewers got cnn's exclusive interview with former vice president joe biden. "new day" continues right now. and when we say right now, we mean right now. good morning, everyone. welcome to a special edition of "new day." john berman is off enjoying his holiday. we begin with a cnn exclusive. vice president biden's commanding lead over the democratic field has tightened significantly after the first debates. >> joe biden defends his record on school desegregation, addresses his feud with kamala harris and talks about why he's the best candidate to beat president trump. we're going to play the entire interview for you, and here's part one. >> i was talking with you and jill. you said you were expecting to have a target on your back.
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did you see the questions about your past positions from the perspective of race being as relevant as they are? >> no, and i don't think they're relevant because they're taken out of context. what i didn't see is people who know me. i mean, they know me well. it's not like kmsomebody came o of the blue. it's so easy to go back 40, 50 years and take it out of context. i get all this information about other peoples past and what they've done and not done, and i'm just not going to go there. for example, this whole thing about race and busing, well, you know, i think if you take a look our positions aren't any different as we're finding out. >> senator harris said she sees it as a tool, not a must in all circumstances. >> well, look at my record. >> i don't think busing is a
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policy. >> no, it's not. i think it's about principle. >> when you look back at your record on it, you were not in favor of busing. it was a different time, there were different applications. why not own it and say i was against it. >> if a court ruled there was a law passed or circumstance that a county, a city, a state did that prevented black folks from being somewhere, that's wrong. i even went so far in the middle of that busing controversy to say i used helicopters if that was necessary to make the point. and in the town meeting it got very hot. but what the issue is now is it was then, voluntary busing. barack obama and i as president and vice president we provided money to voluntary busing if cities wantsed


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