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morning. people with direct knowledge tell cnn phil mattingly that republicans don't have the votes yet at this moment. it all comes down to four senators, three republicans, one democrat, at least two of them need to vote in favor of brett kavanaugh in order for him to be confirmed. >> and just to put all of this in connect, yet another unprecedented moment last night when brett kavanaugh penned an op ed overnight for "the wall street journal" conceding he might have been too emotional in his testimony before the senate judiciary committee. he promised to be independent, impartial as a judge. he did not apologize in that op ed. a republican official telling cnn it's become clear to the white house that questions about brett kavanaugh's temperament and his independence were emerging as sticking points for those undecided senators. so will that op ed have an
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impact? live outside the office of senator susan collins. one of those undecided four. have you seen her yet this morning? >> reporter: we have not. there has been no activity outside of susan collin's office yet. she is indeed one of the four senators who holds brett kavanaugh's future in the palm of their hand. she, along with senators flake, lisa murkowski and democrat joe manchin have not yet said how they will vote. leadership does not know how they will vote and even at this late hour republican leaders do not yet know if they have the votes to get him over the finish line. we caught up with chuck grassley just a few minutes ago and asked for his prediction. here's what he had to say. >> i think it will be very successful. >> do you know that for a fact at this point? >> no, i don't. in fact, if you would talk to the leader, he would say something like he told us, that
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most of the time -- like maybe 99.9% of the time we know how votes will go before it goes. this one vote we probably won't know until the votes are actually cast. >> and he was asked how he thinks senator collins will vote. he did not answer that. all this is underscoring how much drama there is and how much -- how many big question marks there are heading into this vote that is now just over two hours away. >> all right. chuck grassley saying this is one of those votes, those very rare 0.01% of votes that we don't know until they are actually cast. they will be cast a little more than two hours from now. joining us, former clinton white house secretary commentator and former chief staff and cnn political analyst and columnist. we are really now in full clock
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mode watching the clock until the first modes trying to figure out which way these votes will go. one key development overnight will be that brett kavanaugh wrote this op ed in the wall street journal explaining why he was so emotional. not apologizing, but explaining it and saying at times he might have gone too far. persuasive? >> it wasn't persuasive for me because i think that i totally understand somebody being upset. i think we could all go back and watch clarence thomas' response in a similar situation and he was clearly upset, but he didn't act the way brett kavanaugh did. and i think that a lot of people look at this, especially women and people of color, and say, if that hadn't been a white man doing that, i think people would have a very different reaction to it. so it's fine to be upset. it's not fine to behave the way
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he behaved and make his sort of crazy partisan attacks when he's about to be put on the supreme court. we have different standards for supreme court justices and just about anybody in the world. and for good reason. >> i know you said in response he was defending himself vigorously. it is a much different thing to defend yourself than to decide a case. we know he wrote that statement where in the opening he went after, you know, democrats. he went after this as some sort of left wing concerted effort to go after him. he brought up the clintons. is that defending yourself vigorously if you are now turning this into a much more partisan political discussion? >> well, i think that this op ed may not sway anybody. but i think going back to what brett kavanaugh said in the thursday hearing last week, whether this vote goes up or down, he is going to remind people who he is as a jurist, as
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a lawyer, as a professional in -- in the legal profession. and i just think that he felt he had to -- he had to do that and had to sort of try and describe for people what he was feeling, as he said, as a father, as a son and, you know, as a husband because that's what's being challenged here, is his character and his integrity, not his ability as a jurist. >> anita just said he had to do it. that is cnn's reporting on this matter that republicans had a sense that a hold up for some of these waivering senators was his temperament and his demeanor in his hearing and they needed to hear an explanation for it. whether it's enough, we don't know because we're still watching. we know it wasn't an apology. we know he wrote this, but he wrote the remarks that he gave found to be offensively some people. you have watched republicans for a long time.
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one thing i often hear for democrats waiting on susan collins especially and sometimes lisa murkowski is she waivers, she waivers, she waivers and in the end she will vote for donald tru trump. do you have any reason to believe it will be different this time? >> not really. i think there is a choice facing each of these senators who are undecided, particularly the republicans. maybe more punctuated for senate flake whether they want to be big, do something in history or follow the party line. if you look at susan collins or lisa murkowski, brett kavanaugh did almost everything he could to challenge them, and they're still undecided. so that tells me that they don't want to buck the party, particularly collins doesn't want a primary opponent in 2020. and that's pretty disappointing. >> lisa murkowski, though, i mean, it could be different
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here, right? we're not hearing a lot from her camp and there was some really interesting reporting in anchorage. he talked to some of these women saying she believed murkowski was going to be a no and another who said she thinks murkowski is closer to a no. how different is the calculation for lisa murkowski versus senator collins as they are looking at that vote and what it means? >> i think it's actually very different. i'm actually from alaska, so i know a lot about lisa murkowski. and she has an interesting coalition of people. for one thing separate from the brett kavanaugh issue, she has a problem with indigenous alaskans who don't like him. she also has a lot of liberal women including my mother and all of her friends who actually like her, even though she is a republican and see her as being
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a fair person. so i think that there is a real independent streak in alaskan women and i think that lisa murkowski could end up showing that. that said, she is a republican. she is, you know, a member of the republican party, so you can't predict it. but i think of these people, she's the most likely to vote against him. >> jeff flake has all but told us he's a yes vote, that he was happy with the investigation. he saw no corroborating evidence for professor ford's claims there. susan collins seems to be leaning towards yes. you want to know the definition of political mayhem? if murkowski votes no, sort of then what happens then? it's going to be a crazy few hours if we start to get a sense that that could happen. and one thing that's interesting. this is a little mop up. you were in the bush administration. i know george w. bush has been calling. he has been lobbying.
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to a certain extent, he is a president with more sway over at least three of these four waivering than the current president. >> well, i think obviously he knows him personally. like a lot of us who signed letters or dozens of women that know brett kavanaugh that walked the hill -- the halls of the senate yesterday delivering letters from other hundreds of women that want to be character witnesses for brett kavanaugh because they know him personally, like george bush does, obviously, watched him every day for six years and has been very close to him, you know, ever since. and whether that has a sway or not, you know, who knows. and i agree that, you know, really, until that vote starts tomorrow, we won't know. but one of the things, and i agree, i think senator murkowski is going to be a no vote on this
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for a number of reasons. senator collins said something really interesting in an interview the other day about how could she as a woman vote for brett kavanaugh. she said i'm voting as a senator and looking at all the facts. she also said something that i thought was very disturbing about this whole movement. the calls that she's been getting from people saying if you vote yes on brett kavanaugh, then, you know, the women in your office deserve to be raped. can you imagine how does this help this entire movement to hear things like that? >> but who said that? i mean, come on. that is a crazy person. don't try to make it out of that's the me too movement. >> i'm not -- i'm saying crazy people are saying crazy things and we need to turn that down. >> it is a threat. it is not something that's unique to the right or the left. >> i agree. i agree. and i wish both the right and the left people that talk like
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that wouldn't do that. it doesn't help any argument to talk like that. >> as we're looking at this and we're watching this clock, right, because we have just over two hours now until that vote, we are hearing from other senators who had this to say about where he thinks the votes stands. >> several of my friends who are undecided have not returned my calls in the last day, and that typically is a way a senator tells you they're busy deciding. i think this will be very close and we'll have to find out later today, this morning, when we get to the senate and vote. >> i hate to be cynical here. that's the way they're telling you they're still deciding or a way of saying i'm not going to vote with you. i'm not having that conversation. i'm not calling back. >> let me call your cynicism and raise you. >> right? >> lisa murkowski desperately wants to vote no. so if the others, if they know they have collins and they have
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flake, they'll let her vote no. but there is a level of cynicism here we have never seen before. the supreme court nominees don't go out and do interviews. they don't write op eds because they are not running for something, and that's going to have an impact on the court. and the court is becoming so politicized. you know, chuck grassley doesn't seem to care. the second thing is republicans i think will have a fundamental problem going forward with women. i was struck this morning when you were talking to ken star. here we have a character witness for someone accused of sexual assault who was forced from his job because he chose to believe his football players at baylor university who committed multiple and repeated sexual assaults, a character witness here. that's how blind they are to this. so this -- they may win the battle, but they are going to lose the war. i have no doubt about that. >> in terms of that war, i do also want to pick up on what you
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said about how politicized the supreme court is. who is responsible for that? it is not the justices. i think you could easily argue. they do, for the most part, do their best to keep quiet about things. it is politicians on both sides of the aisle. >> sure. >> who have pushed this narrative of your vote is going to matter most importantly when it comes to who i nominate for the supreme court. >> right. >> and there is tens and millions of dollars of dark money coming in, money from both sides coming in. but the different this time is the nominee chose to fight politics. he didn't go and talk to all the american people. he chose two venn knuesvenues, and "the wall street journal." donald trump and his team think they are only governing for conservative americans. donald trump keeps saying i won the majority of the women's vote
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in this country. he didn't. he won 52% of white women because that's all he cares about. he doesn't even think black women exist. that's why he goes out and tells this lie over and over repeatedly. that kind of polarization what has -- you know, with the exception of maybe bush versus gore has stayed out of the court. it is now there and those four senators that are deciding have a chance to save the supreme court. we'll see what they do. >> i just want to be clear. jeff flake, for instance, has made clear that he feels that judge brett kavanaugh is a c conservative judge. he thinks it's a consistent pick with his philosophy there and he doesn't see something that he thinks would disqualify him. >> i would argue when donald trump got his list of 25 judges, there is still 24 who haven't made this about politics and haven't acted like brett kavanaugh. jeff flake has a choice of saying no on him. give me someone else.
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>> i know we still don't know which way this will go for sure. we're watching that very closely. i'm curious about the next few weeks and next few years. president trump last night gave us a window into what he thinks the main lesson learned from this saga has been. he was at a minnesota political rally, and he went after senator al franken, a democrat who resigned after sexual misconduct allegations against him. listen to what he criticized al franken for. >> boy, did he fold up like a wet rag, huh? man. [ applause ] >> man, he was gone so fast. he was gone so fast, i don't want to mention al franken's name, okay? so i won't mention it. he was gone -- he was gone so fast. it was like, oh, he did something.
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oh, i resign. i quit. >> okay. you first. you're shaking your head. >> i know. it's horrible. and unhelpful and offensive. and, you know, the reality of al franken resigning was because of the women in the senate really sort of forced that on him. you know, here was a good guy. i don't agree with his politics all the time, but this was a good family man and he was a good senator and he was representing his state really well. i don't think that's helpful that donald trump did that. but the reality, if we peel back the layers, was the intense pressure by women in the senate, particularly in the senator's party that really forced that. >> very quickly? >> yeah. i mean, al franken was accused by eight women. it wasn't just one person. and the democratic women were the ones who pretty much forced him out, and i think he did the right thing. and donald trump's message here, and you can see this is also
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what brett kavanaugh is probably being told from the white house is just deny, deny, deny. as long as you don't admit anything or take any responsibility for your behavior, that's the only tact. brett kavanaugh could have said, i was an out of control drinker in high school and college. i did a lot of stupid things. there are things i don't remember. i don't remember this. if i did this, that was horrible. that's not what he did. he took a page out of donald trump's play book and wouldn't allow for any possibility that he was anything less than perfect. >> right. thank you all very much for this discussion. i appreciate it. as we continue to watch, to wait to see what will happen, gaveling in happening a short time from now. we should have that vote in just over two hours. still four key senators as far as we know at 8:17 a.m. eastern are still undecided. up next, we will speak with one
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in a little over two hours, there is that pivotal senate vote on judge brett kavanaugh's supreme court nomination. it's hard to believe that it was only one week ago, but almost exactly to the minute one week ago today the world watched as
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two sexual assault survivors confronted the still as of today undecided republican senator jeff flake in an elevator. here again is that moment. >> what you are doing is allowing someone who actually violated a woman who sit in the supreme court. this is not tolerable. you have children in your family. think about them. i have two children. i cannot imagine that for the next 50 years they will have to have someone in the supreme court who has been accused of violating a young girl. what are you doing, sir? >> joining me now, one of the women who confronted the senator there. she's also the coexecutive director of the center for popular democracy. good to have you with us today. it is hard to believe that it's only been a week. what has this week been like for you? what's changed?
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>> well, what has changed is that i have felt an incredible outpouring of love and courage from women across the country who saw themselves in dr. ford, who saw themselves in maria and i in that elevator, who were inspired by the strength to continue to weave this fabric of stories that we're telling the country. the stories that are becoming a mirror. what we're doing with our stories is trying to have the country stare at itself, look at itself and ask, is this who we want to be? and the nomination of brett kavanaugh is an important, tremendously important opportunity for leaders of this country, especially men in power to say, i see what's happening here. i do not want to participate in
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reaffirming a culture that ignores women, that doesn't believe survivors and that allows sexual violence and economic violence and political violence against women to continue. that's really the opportunity right now. and that's what has changed. a week ago i was just telling my story and kind of trying to really embrace this part of my life that i had not wanted to really -- that i didn't find a way to embrace. and now i feel incredible, both responsibility and fear, that our leaders will not meet the challenge of the moment but also tremendous gratitude for all the outpouring of courage that women are displaying. >> you are trying to talk to lawmakers. you are trying to talk to senators. senator jeff flake one of four undecided votes at this hour. only two hours to go until this procedural vote.
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what is your message to him this morning? what is your message to senator collins, senator manchin, senator murkowski? >> my message is they can be heroes. they can step into a role of profound leadership. they can say, i will not just simply take line behind my party. i will do -- i will try to exercise my role in a way that allows me to really listen to people and to step to a challenge that the country is allowing me to have. i think the reckoning that we're going through is here. the question is whether our political leaders are able to step to the challenge and use their political action to signal that we will not continue to make the same mistakes of the past, that we will not reaffirm a culture that ignores women, that ignores survivors and that
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by doing that per ppetuates tha violence. >> he writes i was very emotional last thursday, more so than i have ever been. i know that my tone was sharp and i said a few things i should not have said. i hope everyone can understand i was there as a son, husband and dad. it's important to point out he didn't say specifically what those things are that he said that he believes he should not have said. he did not apologize. but he really was going out there to make the case that he can be nonpartisan, that he can look at cases in a fair way, and that his outburst could not be looked at as how he will, in fact, perform his duties if he is confirmed as justice. what's your reaction? >> i mean, we all have emotions. that's not the question here. the question here is are you able to take responsibility for your actions. that is the question.
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he could have said, listen, i am so sorry that i was ever part of dr. ford's pain. i feel responsible for helping heal that pain by even if i don't remember, even if i'm not sure of my actions. i do not -- i have a role as a leader to demonstrate a different kind of behavior. so, of course, this is an emotional time. he should know how to behave in a hearing with members of the senate. he has had a lot of practice on that. but really the question here is are you able to take responsibility? because the supreme court is a tremendously important terrain where we as a country make progress towards what we want to be, these more perfect unions that what i was telling senator flake in that moment was the way
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that justice works is that you have to recognize harm. you have to take responsibility for it and then begin to repair it. someone who sits in the supreme court has to be able to do that in his or her own personal life. that's essential to their ability to do that in that role as a member of the supreme court. i don't think brett kavanaugh has stepped up to the challenge, not in his personal life and not to the country. so i'm not convinced by his op ed and he's missing the point. >> there was a lot of talk about his reaction in that moment in the elevator. but it is not the only reaction that is getting attention on capitol hill there because more and more people, more and more americans are voicing their opinion to their elected officials. here is an exchange with oren hatch i want to play for you. >> why aren't you brave enough to talk to us? don't you waive your hand at me.
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i waive my hand at you. how dare you talk to women that way! how dare you! >> where is the disconnect in the conversation these days? >> that our elected officials do not have that much practice listening to people. we have a democracy that's very broken because they listen to lobbyists and corporations more than they listen to people. and this fight about brett kavanaugh is really a fight about our democracy. i want, i hope, that the less son that we draw from that elevator and from the encounter you just played out is that in order to have a healthy democracy, it is essential for our political leaders to connect with us, to look at us, to not look away, to listen to our stories, to think about the people they love and to -- and it is essential that people do not allow them to define what
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democracy is. democracy is not a spectator sport. we have to bring it to live every single day with our stories, to our visit, with our marches, with our protests, sometimes with our angry outbursts when they don't listen to us, when they waive their hands at us. and i feel very encouraged that actually people around, across the country are doing precisely that. we're stepping -- we overcoming some of our fears, doing things for the first time. maria, who was there in that elevator with me, had never talked to an elected official. we talked about how do you do that. i said to her, just tell him why we're here. if we happen to see him, i did not think we would, speak from your heart. it's what elected officials are missing in these moments, is a human connect with the people they represent. they work for us. we need to remind them of that
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every day. >> i appreciate you being with us this morning. thank you. >> thank you. two hours now until the very first votes on brett kavanaugh, if he is to reach the supreme court. where is it headed? red state democrats will play a big role in this outcome, maybe even decisive. one red state senator, a democrat, joins us next. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined.
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less than two hours now until the very first votes on brett kavanaugh's nomination. so where is it headed? joining me now is doug jones, who has announced he will vote no on brett kavanaugh. thanks very much for being with us. since we are in count down mode, i have to ask, do you have any intelligence on which way this vote will go? >> no, i really don't, john. i think it's still a little bit up in the air. there is a lot of emotion here. there is a lot of just raw anger. i think it is still a little bit up in the air. we'll see how it goes in a little bit. >> you have had a chance to read the product produced by the fbi from their five day
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investigation into the allegations against brett kavanaugh. you were a prosecutor for a long, long time. you know how to read these documents. did you see any evidence or statements to corroborate the claims of sexual assault by professor ford or debby ramirez? >> i don't think there was a lot that would corroborate. i saw a lot of things that you might consider. the problem is that people are looking strictly for corroboration and no one has decided to go beyond that. i think this was very -- it was disappointing to me to read because it was obvious that it was restricted in the manner and means in which they were allowed to do and they weren't really allowed to follow leads that could possibly have come up with some measure of corroboration. it's tough to find corroboration on an incident of 35 years ago. >> just to be clear, if you were looking for something in the fbi investigation, and we know jeff
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flake was. susan collins told us she would be. if you were looking for something, you didn't find anything in there to persuade you? >> i'm not saying that. i can't go into a lot of substance. i think there are a lot of things you could see that could persuade you from a credibility standpoint. most people are looking for circumstances that directly corrobora corroborate. you are not going to find that. i never expected to see that in this report. you just can't do that. i have had a little experience with that, and you have to go beyond that. when you can't go and follow leads and to even tips that come through and other witnesses, you are just not going to be able to get there. >> i don't know if you have had a chance to read the op ed written overnight by brett kavanaugh where he explains why he was so emotional in the hearing, do you think it is appropriate for a supreme court nominee to write an op ed?
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>> it was certainly not persuasive. his testimony was persuasive which was clearly emotional. and it should be. he went beyond that. he went into partisan attacks, personal attacks on some senators, totally inappropriate, showing a temperament that is unbecoming a judge, much less a supreme court nominee. i think the op ed piece was trying to throw a little cold water on that. but that is very, very serious. one that help eed tip the balan for me. i thought it was somewhat disingenuous because it appeared it was more off the cuff when he was reading. he knew exactly what he was going to say and he knew exactly the emotions that if he didn't then that's i think more of a problem. >> right. you are a democratic senate from the state of alabama, which is a
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somewhat rare thing in this day and age. when you ran, you promised to be an independent voice in the senate. the alabama republican party is now criticizing you for your opposition to brett kavanaugh. it says your no vote betrays our state. senate jones is now a full-fledged member of the never trump resistance. alabama will never forget this. there is a lot of politics in that statement, but there may be something true there, which is do you believe a majority of people in your state support brett kavanaugh? >> it may be. but i don't think that's the be-all and end-all because i'm the one that spent all the times and hours going through his record, looking at all this. the republican party of alabama and elsewhere has made this a political issue. they want me to simply rubber stamp the president of the united states. that is not my job. i have supported 77% of the judicial nominees that the president has put since my time
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here in the president. but this is not a political. one of the problems we have got is that this has become a partisan political issue. and it shouldn't be. this should be an independent judiciary. we are in a very, very bad place when this has become such a partisan issue. it's going to take a long time for the country to get over it. >> senator jones from alabama, you have a big morning ahead of you. we will let you go. appreciate you being with us. >> thank you, john. up next, a brand-new jobs report just out. we have it. so, that goal you've been saving for,
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resurgence. go to cnn.com/business. >> very, very strong numbers. lower unemployment rate than before any of us were born. thanks very much. brett kavanaugh's closing argument. he wrote this op ed overnight trying to convince four people to vote yes. those first votes come in less than two hours. we will give you the very latest update. the point is chris cillizza is next. from everything we've ever mastered. and put it here. chris cillizza is next. chris cillizza is next. w chris cillizza is next. i chris cillizza is next. t chris cillizza is next. h chris cillizza is next. ( ♪ )
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earn a free night when you stay just twice this fall. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh makes his closing argue yaumt ment with an on ed. let's get right to point. to we aeroher hon'relearning th house was concerned about the temperament, so outcomes this on ed playing to an audience of four. >> that's correct.
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i would say probably an audience of three, collins, murkowski and fr flake. i think two things happen. one, what we expected probably in honesty was that the fbi investigation was never going to give us the capital t truth of what happened that night. okay? so that was that. then judge brett kavanaugh got a matt damon problem, which is that caricature of him over the weekend crystallized for a lot of people. when i watched it, i wrote about this, he was clearly angry. he was lashing out at people. but damon crystallized it to a cultural reality for people, and i think that led to the problem. you had jeff flake say he was too sharp and partisan. if you read that op ed brett kavanaugh says maybe i have been too sharp.
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he uses literally the word that jeff flake used to criticize him earlier in the week. this is for an audience of three. >> i want to say, you're in the chair today, not alysn. but we had a fight about the matt damon thing on monday. i said, no! this is an important cultural moment. and chris cillizza who writes the point who just told me there is a matt damon problem that brett kavanaugh has. >> are you saying that you won? >> i'm saying i won and i'm looking at you. it's not your fault. >> sorry, alysn. i want to know what's going to happen. we're 40 minutes away. we have been told repeatedly republicans don't know for sure whether they have the votes. >> which is true. they don't know necessarily that flake, collins, murkowski and manchin votes for him. in my opinion, you are looking at a 75% to 80% chance he gets -- they get the 50 he
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needs. make no mistake, you are not going to vote today to end the debate and vote against him tomorrow. this is the vote. so i think you are likely to see flake be a yes. i think you are likely to see collins be a yes. and if that happens then what murkowski does and manchin does is immaterial. >> it's fascinating we're at this point and we're still hearing we don't know. we're reading not tea leaves as john pointed out earlier, but giant palm leaves that we have these indicators. but there is still that what if. we are literally counting down to the votes. what is the conversation right now behind closed doors? who is picking up the phone to lisa murkowski and saying -- >> flake less so because he's retiring. so the political ramifications, it's really a conscious vote for him. but especially with susan collins, she made a political
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career about putting herself in the middle. but usually these deals get worked out beforehand. you're not put up against it in a way that she is. and again politically this is a no win vote. either way, it's going to be very difficult that you have got raising money against susan collins for 2020 if she is the vote to end brett kavanaugh's confirmation. i mean, the reasons is to undecided still is because there is so many conflicting ways. >> and to have to decide which am i willing. >> just to be clear on the stakes for this for susan collins, if she decides to vote no, this is the second sentence ever written for the rest of her life. >> you can say a vote on health care or a vote on this or that goes away. a vote on a supreme court justice, there are only nine of them, it does not go away. >> alysn just texted me to say she was watching and she
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a very good friday morning to you. there is news, trust us this friday morning. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm poppy harlow. we're in washington. a critical day. the crucial senate vote is 90 minutes away. a vote that will decide if brett kavanaugh will fill that critical swing seat on the high court. what we know this morning, republican senate leadership does not yet know if they have the votes. just listen to senator chuck grassley, chairman of the judiciary committee. >> most of the part-time, like maybe 99% of the time we know how a vet is going to go before it goes. this is one vote that we probably won't know

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