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my kids and i just want my kids to go out and play hard. i hope one day when they graduate, they say you know what? i'm a little bit better for being around jay hobson. >> thank you very much sir, i really appreciate you taking your time to come out and share your story. thanks so much to all of you as always for watching, we'll see you back here same time, same place tomorrow. >> hi, i'm harvey winestein, you know the movies i have been involved n piers morgan asked me to sit in for him tonight. and i'm proud to be talking to the man who changed the history of this country and the world. bill clinton. >> do you see chelsey or hillary in the white house? >> hillary says she's going to retire. >> i talk to hollywood greats to tell me what movies mean to them.
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>> i wanted to have shirley temple curls. >> and this is piers morgan tonight. good evening, i'm harvey winestein filling in for piers morgan. when piers asked me to do this, i thought he was kidding. he wasn't. so i went to one of the smartest people i know to ask for advise, oprah winfrey. she said if you're nervous, tell people you're nervous. i am a little nervous, but i'm also very excited. i'm a friend and such porter of bill clinton. it's my honor to introduce my next guest, the 42nd president of the united states, william jefferson clinton. >> the things i do for you. >> you're so comfortable, mr. president of people. how do you do that? >> you look them in the eye and
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forget about what else is going on. >> an area that i am comfortable with is talking about movies and i know you're a great movie fan. over the years we have watched a lot of movies together. what is your favorite movie, mr. president? >> well, the first movie i ever saw more than once was "high noon" and i was still living in hope arkansas, i was 6 years old and you could go to the movie for a dime. and i would get 20 cents and i think you could get a coke and a candy bar. the only other movie that i can watch over and over and over again and not get tired of is "casablanca". >> i have the stanley kramer
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award even today. later on did you realize that this was an anti-mccarthy movie. >> i did later on when i read some books about the movie. i figured if i was going to see something 20 or 25 times, i ought to know more about it but i liked it because it wasn't your standard macho western. >> did you feel when you were the president, that you also were the sheriff abandoned like garry cooper is and all the town's people run and hide and there you are to face the enemy all by your lonesome? >> sometimes, but it's really important when you're president. the equivalent of that is an opinion poll.
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today i help mexico, 81% are against it. the majority of people are against bosnia or kosovo and a lot of other things i did. you have to ask yourself, where is it going to come out in the end. >> now if i were to make a movie about your life, who would you want -- don't worry, we can name any actor, we won't tell anybody. who would you want to play you, mr. president? >> gosh, i don't know. i would trust your judgment more than ion on that. >> brad pitt? george clooney? >> too good looking. >> george clooney is at least my size. his movie last year was great. his hawaii movie. what was to the name of the movie? >> "descendants." >> i thought he did a great job in that movie.
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>> what would you have play hillary in this movie? >> meryl streep. >> you know, it's so funny you say meryl streep because i was with you guys at the kennedy center honors and laura effron made a speech and said that meryl streep has been made r great to you, but just you wait and see, she's getting ready to do you, just as she did "the iron lady" for us this year. when you spoke at the kennedy center honors, everybody had notes when someone gave an award, you didn't. you spoke off the cuff, you knew the datees of albums. every time you do that, i think it's one of the most remarkable things, the way you know music and you know these performers. >> i spent a lot of time as a child on music and i spent a lot of time in the movies. i had a formative experience on
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me. i was thinking about it driving in here, because i knew i was going to see you, all the things that immediately come to mind while i love tom jones, i'll always be grateful for that movie. and it just -- the whole dynamic of it. >> you were the first president that i felt was really cool, and i guess for me, even i knew you were cool, but for the american people, i think it was that magical moment when you were on the arsenio hall show, a man takes out a saxophone and plays really good. arsenio hall -- >> he invited know play. >> i hadn't played in a couple of years and i got to play with
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kenny g., he did an event for me. i was feeling pretty comfortable doing it and i wanted to play "god bless the child" and then we did either "summertime"or "my favorite valentine" and it was fun. >> i just want to remind you that you invited me all those years ago and you got your portrait unveiled at the white house, it was right after the whole calamity of the whole "fahrenheit 9-11." i came and i had to go through the receiving line with president bush. i'll never forget what he said to me, he said harvey, i used to love the movies, what the hell happened to you? let's take a look at this footage from george w. bush at the white house. >> i'm also pleased mr. president, that when you are wandering these halls as you wrestle with tough decision,
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you'll now be able to gaze at this portrait and ask, what would george do? >> you know, speak of uncool, donald trump as the benefit for mitt romney. and i know donald trump to be a sane smart businessman. but he has this benefit, romney comes and he talks about that birth certificate again. how do you put that out of the minds of the american people once and for all? and doesn't he realize how uncool he is? >> i don't know, donald trump has been uncommonly nice to hillary and me, we're all new yorkers and -- >> me too. >> and i like him and i love playing golf with him. but the evidence is pretty clear that president obama was born in hawaii and this whole election should not be about any of these side issues, it really ought to be about the decisions that each of them will make on where we
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are and where we need to go. and it's a serious time. so i would like to see the election turn back to that. >> there's a new ad where you praise president obama for pulling the trigger on osama bin laden. mitt romney made a number of statements, he said he wouldn't cross into pakistan to kill an enemy of america, he said he wouldn't spend $100 million to kill one man. do you think mitt romney would have done that if he were president? >> there no way we can know. president obama was told this is probably osama bin laden, we're not 100% sure. you could take that house out with a -- an armed drone and not historic a soldier. but if it's not bin laden, you're going to wind up killing whoever's there, plus his wife or wives, plus any kids that might be there, plus any other people. and they decided to go in there,
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he did and go after bin laden, be sure he could be identified and minimize the casualty even at greater risk to the navy s.e.a.l.s that went in. i thought it was a very brave decision and a correct one. >> president president, in my world, we're all for gay marriage, but the president, did he take a risk? was it a mistake politically to come out in support of it? >> well, i think yes, it was what risky because a lot of african-american support in the churches are now for it. if you look at what's happening in america as people change their position, just as i on it. what happens is personal experience changes your position. the more gay friends you have, the more you see them adopting children and being good parents.
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the more you think what am i to say to them what they should call their relationship? if the law permits it or if a given church permits it, who are we to let it stand in the way? for people who don't know a large number of gay people who haven't had experiences with stable gay families, it's a different thing. so he took a risk. i think it's a right position, i think it's where we're going, i think that he deserves credit for doing it. >> the race between obama and romney, how close do you think that race will be? >> can't tell you. i still think the president will win by five or six points? i have always thought so. >> you are the best predictor of that. >> it's closer than that today. >> why. >> because of the condition of the economy. because even though we're out performing europe and japan, compared to where we were the
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day after the crash, and we have created more private sector jobs in this economy and for 8 1/2 years since president obama took office, in the seven years and eight months before the crash in the previous administration, but still, people feel uncertain. you know when you've got a lot of people getting up in the morning and looking in the mirror starting the day thinking they have failed, that's a problem. and i think those of us who support the president have to get out there and explain what he did in rescuing the automobile industry, what he did in raising the mileage standard and the way re-created 150,000 jobs, and have everybody agree, the management, the government, the environmental groups what, he did in both saving the financial institutions, but signing that dodd-frank bill so that there would be higher capital requirements and these kinds of melt downs won't happen in the future. also the budget he's offered, if
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passed, would reduce the deficit and the national debt five, ten years from now, much more than anything that his opponent and his opponents party has offer it. if we get that out, i think he'll be fine and he'll be re-elected. >> romney keeps talking about his experience at bain capital by producing jobs. do you think he can produce jobs that the president can't? >> i think it will affect some people who relate well to businessmen. and i think he had a good business career. there's a lot of controversy about that, but if you go in and you try to save a failing company. and you and i have friends here who invest in companies, you can invest in a company, run up the debt, loot it, sell all the assets and force all the people
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to lose their retirement and fire them. or you can go into a company, have cut backs, try to make it more productive with the purpose of saving it. and when you try, like anything else you try, you don't always succeed. not every movie you made was a smash hit. >> that's for sure. >> so i don't think we ought to get into the position where we say this is bad work. this is good work. i think, however, the real issue ought to be what has governor romney advocated in the campaign that he will do as president? what has president obama done and what does he propose to do? how do these things stack up against each other? that's the most relevant thing. there's no question that getting up and going to the office and basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who's been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold. but they have dramatically different proposals and it's my
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opinion, anyway, that the obama proposals and the obama record would be far better to the american economy and most americans than those that governor romney has laid out. >> mr. president, we'll be right back and we're going to talk about a proposed balance on the clinton global initiative when we come back. thank you mr. president.
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i'm back now with america's biggest movie fan. june 7th and 8th in chicago, the clinton initiative begins, tell us what you're planning to do this year mr. president. >> we're going to bring in people from all over the country to talk about the american economy, the meeting we have in chicago every year, we started it last year, just to talk about those of us who are not voting congress can do to accelerate employment, to prepare people to take the jobs that are '. we're going to focus a lot on advance manufacturing, clean energy, infrastructure and training people to do the jobs that are open. a lot of americans don't know this, there are more than 3.5
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million jobs posted for hire today that aren't being filled very fast and it's because in the areas where the jobs are open, people aren't being trained for them. so we either got to let the employers doing the training and give them the incentives and the money to do so, or we have got to do a better job of training people. mostly it's in math and engineering, technology areas, science areas, but they don't all require a four-year degree, they do all require some training. >> do you think we can fix the economy? >> i do. all of america's problems, and we have got some serious ones, we're 15th in college graduates, we're 15th in inch from structure, we're 15th in download speeds. we can fix all that. >> how do we fix it? >> well, we have got to continue to accelerate the resolution of
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the home mortgage crisis, we have got to get some of the corporate cash that's overseas invested back here, preferably in an infrastructure bank with a good return on investment. and we have to accelerate the area where is we know we can grow, information technology where we rank first or second in the world and the potential to generate jobs out of the sun and the wind, never mind all the other stuff. and we need to do a better job of helping employees who want to hire people today get people hired in a hurry. >> and infrastructure is one of the topics on the clinton agenda. how do we go about doing that. >> the best way to do it is for america to join most other countries in using not just tax dollars to build roads and bridges and new water systems and infrastructure is also a new electrical grid, one of our big problems in maximizing solar and wind is that the wind blows hardest and the sun shines brightest where the people are not. so you got to put a grid to get it back.
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those are the best ways to do it. but this infrastructure bank idea would put a little public money in, open it up to private money, guarantee people a certain rate of return. it was a bipartisan idea when it started. senator hutchinson in texas, senator kerry of massachusetts a democrat, sponsored this legislation. >> i'm sure education and health are also part of your initiatives, what are we going to do about fixing education in this country? >> you have to get more kids while they're in elementary, middle school and high school to start getting into the science and technology and engineering and math courses. there has to be -- people should be going into these schools and say look, when you get out, here where the jobs are and we need to get a higher percentage of you doing these things for which there is a demand. and then there are ought to be
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incentives for people to go in and teach these courses in our schools and there ought to be incentives for people to go into these fields, including an alleviation of some of their student debt if they work in those fields for four or five years afterwards. for example suppose you graduated from college from a low income family, and you had a $50,000 or 60,000 dead and had a degree in science and technology. you could make more money-if you work in the company and do that work, you should get some alleviation on your student loan. >> i saw you at the conference in aspen and you talked about how the economy went wrong, you talked about the regulations, the bills that the republican congress had, you know, nullified, you know, gotten rid of and the oversight was gone. can you tell the american people
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why you think the economy went bad in the united states? >> i think two things happened, first is we decided to go back to the economic policies to reverse all my economic policies, to go back to what was done in the 12 years before i took office when we quad drupled the debt, so we doubled the debt again. we also stopped looking for that opportunity to invest in new job growth. if you live in a big global economy, and you want to keep 20% of the world's income with 4% or 5% of the population which is what we want to do, you have to have a source of jobs in the afternoon. we didn't have one in the first decades of this century, so we overdid the home building, consumer spending and finance sectors of the economy, with the consequence that too many loans are put out with too little cash to support them with too little
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oversight, so sooner or later we were going to have a real problem. >> and they repealed oversight bills, didn't they? >> to some extent, but the may have been thing they did was not have either the securities and exchange commission or any of the others that could have done it oversee the a lot of risk that was being undertaken. >> we spent a little too much time on the economy, although i loved it. we're going to come back and talk about the mayor's ban on sugary drinks, we'll be back in a few minutes, thank you.
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i'm back now with my special guest, president bill clinton. i wish i caught it in my own stage and the mayor today talked about banning sugary drinks, anything over 16 ounces at movie theaters, sporting arenas to take the first step against us. the mayor is a good man and he started the -- >> i think he's doing the right thing. we work in 14,000 schools. trying to help improve the school lunch offerings, the male
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offerings and improve what's in the vending machines and improve the exercise program. we got a voluntary agreement from all the soft drink people to reduce, it's reduced by 88% the total calories going into kids in vending machines in cafeterias, but then there's the world outside. you've got this explosion of diabetes in america among young people for the first time type 2 diabetes showing up in 9-year-olds and among the baby boomer who is are retiring. and together these things are going to bankrupt us. it's a terrible human tragedy and it's basically too much sugar going into the body and you can't process it all. so if you get rid of these giant sugar drinks and make people have smaller portions, it will help. and, you know, i know a lot of people think, well this is a nanny state and he's interfering, but these are very serious problems and there are a lot of things in our diet that not only make us too heavy, but
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put too much sugar in our body which have an enormous number of people with diabetes and a lot of people teetering on the edge of it. it's like shortening your life and undermining the quality of your life and exploding the cost of our health care system. >> i have to tell you when you were at that aspen conference, you wowed a room of republicans, i'll never forget even carl rove even applauding for you. you said at the end, harve, let's go out, we went to boogies in aspen. and we ate hamburgers and french flies. >> when i had all these stents put in. i wanted to see if i could live to be a grandfather. so i just went all the way.
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now i try to eat some salmon once a week. but i don't miss any of that. getting rid of the dairy was great, getting rid of the meat was great, i just don't miss it. not everybody is as vulnerable to this as i am. all of us produce a certain amount of enzymes that destroy the plaque. i feel great, lost a bunch of weight. >> you look great. >> but the main thing is we can't let these kids grow up to have a shorter life expeck tansi of their parent. >> first of all, if you look at the american health care system, spending almost 10% of income on health care, that's a big reason people don't get pay raises,
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small businesses want to give their employees pay raises, they have to spend it on health care instead, it's killing us. of the trillion dollars we would not spend if we had any other country's health system. which is why i don't want the president's health bill repealed. the trillion dollars, i would say about $200 billion of it is completely related to diabetes and it's intended consequences which is a function of how we eat. >> mr. president, every american are asking the same question, as they watch his reports in syria. should we go in there militarily? what would you advise if you were president? >> i think that the president and hillary as secretary of state's been very active in this. what they don't want to do is to get into another situation where it looks like we are unilaterally interfering in an arab country.
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syria is governed by an all white minority. and that's why we have been working as hard as we could to get the russians to support more united action through the u.n. if we were to do something like what we did in libya, to try to give some arms support, i don't know because i haven't done any briefings whether there's sufficient armed opposition in syria to prevail. and number two, if we did it on our own, we would almost guarantee their failure because it would look like our thing. so i know this is really frustrating. but we're in this place with syria now where i was with bosnia in 1993 and 1994. where it took us two years, i was ready to go into bosnia in
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'93, but i was determined not to go alone, bosnia was a part of europe and i had to persuade the other european countries to go with us. >> what do you think about russia who seems to be blocking in that area. >> what they should be thinking about is what this does to them with their own muslim minority in their southern underbelly in russia. and i think we just have to keep working there. because if -- it's all very unpredictable. but this level of -- they'll go along with the peace plan and then if they want to kill a bunch of people, they'll just go do it?
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>> can we do it without assaad? >> i worked with his father for years and thought we were going to get an agreement between israel and the syrians on the golan heights and a peace agreement. i understand the people who are skeptical, they say it's so complicated and women have more opportunities there than they would if a stricter muslim regime were in place, i understand all that argument. but you can't have a government who thinks they can up and kill people because they don't agree with them, you just can't have that. they have for fitted their legitimacy. i sympathize with the president, we have been in afghanistan for a long time, we finally have an agreement to get out of there. we got out of iraq.
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it's not perfect, but they have a chance to succeed and they have a constitution. i think the world would come rushing to help syria if mr. assaad left. if they agreed to respect the minority rights of the nonsunni majority there. but it's very difficult for us to do this alone. we have to respect the constraints that are now on the president and on our government and i think putin could wind up being a hero in this if he would turn around and take a leading role. i believe that if vladimir putin decided to join the international consensus hard against syria, we would haven't to go to war there, we wouldn't have to bomb there. i think that assaad would see that his number was up and he
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would leave and we would be able to manage a less turbulent transition because you wouldn't have so many people who other wise would be part of it killed or driven from the country. >> your wife hillary is a big part of this, when we come back, we'll talk about her and your daughter chelsey. [ male announcer ] it would be easy for u.s. olympian meb keflezighi
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i'm told you made it through without your -- you were afraid you might weep a little. how did that go? you were able to hold it together? >> i was, for two reasons, one is i wanted it to be about her, not me. and the second is, she had a really big dress and i didn't want to step on it. >> so you went on david letterman, i must tell you years ago we were all on martha's vineyards on vacation and you gave me the 4 1/2 longest minutes of my life. you asked chelsey to come with myself and dishing to the martha's vineyard hot tin roof to see a band that you wanted to see.
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you said it's okay, and you guys are with her. she watched the group, she was fabulous, great company and all of a sudden a young boy out of nowhere who had no idea who she was, asked her to dance. she went to the dance floor, and i promise you time stopped for 4 1/2 minutes, and he was so incredibly polite when the dance ended and she was so incredibly polite. how did you raise a teenager in the white house? >> we raised her as if we hadn't been in the white house. we had meals together. win advantage i have over many working parents is that we live above the store, so no matter how long hours a president works, and i worked almost every night, i was there after dinner. i could come home to dinner, so we could get up and have breakfast in the morning, i could see her off, we could have dinner. and we tried to make her feel that she could talk about anything she wanted to talk about. and we tried to have a very open, straight forward
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relationship. and i think when chelsey was in high school, we only had one argument and i don't even remember what it was about. >> you watched "the princess bride" almost every year? >> i think it's a greet unrecognized duo of a movie. >> it was directed by rob reiner, his second movie after "spinal tap". >> it's so funny. >> you're a great movie fan. i was wondering, in 2016, do you see a clinton in the white house? chelsey, hillary? >> chelsey will be too young, i think, maybe not quite. hillary says she's going to retire and we'll just see. i think she intends to come home and start doing a lot of this charitable work, she's worked so hard for 20 years, but i'm very
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proud of her, i think she's really done a good job with a tough hand to play, secretary of state. she's done a good job for america. >> she's done an incredible job, every time i see her, she's traveling, on the go. >> he's in scandinavia now. >> she will go down in history as one of our greatest secretaries of state. >> she really tried to build a world where there was more cooperation, whenever you try to build a world with cooperation, and you got a problem like syria, you're drawn in several different directions. >> mr. president, the clinton global initiative, how do the viewers who are watching tonight, how do they get involved? >> well, they can go to our website, clinton, or there's one for the clinton global initiative. egi, and if they want to follow the clinton global initiative, that's where we bring together
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and try to form works to solve problems. agriculture, economic developments, they should go to the clinton foundation site. they can go to either one. there's lots of information about how to get involved with time or with money and we encourage people who can only give $5 or $10 to be able to say where they want their money to go. >> i learned so much, especially about micromanaging, microbudgets in india, and how these women who are oppressed built companies, it's an incredible experience and i just hope for the audience out there they do participate and they do support, because it's amazing. >> one of the things people learn, i think there is the intelligence and effort are
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evenly distributed throughout the world but opportunity's not, same thing's true in america. and so once you know that then you try to figure out, how do i treat the opportunity? people are smart enough to take advantage and they'll work hard enough to take advantage of it. >> mr. president, thank you for being my guest tonight, i can't thank you enough for doing this. as i said, i always learn amazing things for you. hopefully they'll let us do this again and we'll only talk about movies next time. thank you, sir. up next, my favorite people tell me about their favorite movies when we return. you can save up to 50% on select hotels and vacation packages. so book your summer vacation now and save up to 50%. offer ends soon. book right now at
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i'm told you made it through welcome back. i'm harvey weinstein in for piers morgan. i'm a movie guy and i want to celebrate cinema and i asked the biggest stars around about what their biggest movies were and what thanked their lives. >> for a long time as a little negro girl i wanted to be shirley temple and i wanted to have shirley temple curls. that's probably the first movie i actually saw. ♪ >> i think the first movie that i remember by title going to see, my mother and friends taking me to see, was "duel in the sun."
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i happened to like westerns because it was the opposite of what i was experiencing which was open spaces and colorful -- you know, wonderful stories. the sense of freedom and independence. >> the movie that i most recall and that had the biggest effect on me would have to be "lilies of the field." >> move your foot off my adobe. >> that was the night that sidney poitier won the academy award. >> when you see eddie murphy in "coming to america" when you think of the comedy that was nominated for an oscar, you wish you could flip the years back and go see that performance when eddie murphy does all the different characters and the catch phrases like fu, fu, fu, who's next? joe louis and you'd sit up with all your friends and it's a
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classic. >> i was most affected by his winning the academy award. i remember it very clearly where i was sitting on the linoleum floor in a small walk-up flat in milwaukee, wisconsin, third floor. taking care of my half brother and sister, and we were the only people home. and i was so fascinated that this -- as we called ourselves at the time, this colored man was getting this award. >> i wanted to build it myself. >> i remember distinctively having the feeling of he won, he won. >> "on the water front" was my world. so that was a world that i saw in the street. that was the world that i was living. which meant cinema doesn't have to necessarily be something
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outside of your world. >> you don't understand i could have had class. i could have been a contender. >> i really like comedies and i really liked horror movies and when i watched frankenstein, the funny stuff, that was funny and there were moments in it that was scary. i didn't know you could do that and put two different types of movies into one movie. >> movies that had the biggest effect on my life, i think it would have to be "new jack city" because watching someone like wesley snipes who, you know, was able to step into a role where, you know, people like al pacino and robert de niro who played the iconic gangster characters and here's an opportunity for me to see the african american gangster in "new jack city." >> if you asked me what my favorite movie of all time was it's "the good, the bad, the ugly." >> there's two kinds of people, my friend.
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those with loaded guns. >> cinema could be anything. >> i also want to tell you the best movie story that i know. nelson mandela came to new york, it was arranged by robert de niro for him to speak to the people of our industry and he spoke about being in prison. most of the time, 27 years he was in solitary confinement. but every thursday they allowed him to go to the movies and he said that it was the promise of the movie and the hope of those thursday nights that got him through robland. coming up, only in america, the story of a holocaust survivor and his passion for films. uh-oh.
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for tonight's only in america, a man i admire, martin gray is an american citizen. he's the last survivor, 90 years old and when i was in france recently i asked him the same questions i did of my industry friends. his life is extraordinary. at 17 he was the biggest smuggler in the warsaw ghetto, bringing food to the starving. at 18 he was sent to the treblinka death camp where his
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mother and father perished. he moved to cannes and a 1970 forest fire, his wife and four children were killed. this is a man of indomitable spirit. i asked him which movie changed his life. >> for me, i was really taken by the movie "dictator" by charlie chan. when i saw the movie, i saw the ideas behind it. but charlie chaplin, he knew what i lived two years later in the warsaw ghetto. how did he in 1938 i think he made the movie -- '39, he just saw what we lived through two years ago. if people had listened to charlie chap lip, we would have saved many millions of people. not only jews, but millions of other people who died dur