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i am brian sullivan in for melissa lee tonight, here's what's on tap. >> if you can't build it, they won't come carter worth explains what lowe's is lacking, going into earnings next week then, charge decline tony zang has his eye on amex, and arranging another form of payment for you. professor go is highlighting
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institutional only moves but then he and the rest of the team will show you how to follow suit with a suitable alternative for individual portfolios, it's time to risk less and make more. options action starts right now. all right, welcome, everybody, big box retailers of all stripes, out with their quarterly numbers and their guidance next week the rates or reopening pause, all are facing fresh head winds, and carter worth thinks that one may be destined for a new low. so to speak, i guess, carter. >> well, that's right, we're going to talk about low, the ticker, the name is lowe's, and let's get right to the charts. to the first of two comparative charts, the chart you're looking at is a two panel, the top is lowe's itself and the bottom is relative performance to the spy, what jumps out, and you can see it very clear i is that the stock has gone on to make new
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highs since basically september, october last year, but look tirrelltive. in the lines i've drawn. it's basically, in terms of performance, relative to the market, relative to other choices, it peaked ten months ago and it continues to struggle look at the same chart, if you will, but instead of lowe's relative to the spy, this is relative to the home builders etfxhb in this case you see very clearly, the stock has gone on to make new highs, and look tirrelltive performance. we are, in fact, toying with 52-week low relative performance. something's not right. home depot also very heavy don't like the name. look at the charts for lowe's itself first chart. a break in trend, and see the trend line you can see the break. do all breaks net out as lower prices, no, but that's the bet that i think you make. the second chart, where might
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lowe's go? there's support at the 180 level, the stock is 190 right now. so put the last two charts together, final chart, this shows the break in trend and it shows where support comes into play at 180 we closed at 190, we think you have a clear ten point down move ahead, likely in response to an earnings report that is light or in some way disappointing. >> yeah, look at that chart there, okay, so mike, i mean, it really hasn't done a whole lot in about a year's time how, if at all, are you trading lows right now >> yeah, so, you know, it's interesting, we're talking about the price action on the stock versus the fundamentals of the stock. on the fundamentals side they've done quite lot, actually if you take a look at full year eps for fiscal year 2019, we were looking at a company that was making about $5.76 a share full year 2020 last year, during the pandemic, they grew that eps by
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approximately 60% and right now the street's expecting full-year aps to grow this year and next year as well right now, it's trading round about 18 times forward earnings, maybe slightly under it's trading at a discount to the market that said, one of the things carter pointed to was the fact it's underperforming the home builders that's interesting because part of what propelled these companies to the heights we saw is the fact there were a lot more people doing home improvements and lowe's, this is more true than home depot. home dee poet gets 40% of what they do from contractors and lowe's tends to lag home depot. and from a fundamental point both of these companies have done exceptionally well in the past if we're looking at technicals and think we might be looking at weakness and looking into earn, next week, the options market implying a move of about 4.6%.
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a larger move than averaged over the last eight quarters. one way you could either hedge if you're long this stock or take an outright bearish bet if you're so inclined, look out to october. i was looking at the 190 165 put spread the reason i was using a put spread here is because the implied volatility, the price of options on lows is actually relatively high compared to the realized volatility. that put spread run i was looking at earlier today was round about $6 frequent viewers will know, but we might as well remind everybody, that oftentimes when we're looking at debit spreads we're looking for payoffs in the neighborhood of three to one or better so on a $25 wide pu spread, spending about $6 makes that math work for us, and also notice that we're spending relatively small amount of the share price so $6 versus $190 share price, that's essentially the total risk you're taking in the event that lowe's finishes
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above that $190 strike price if it dips below that, take your profits early as well. >> tony, your take on mike's trade on lowe's? >> if you look at the home improvement category it remains elevated. i expect home depot and lowe's to put up strong numbers here next week. lowe's is trading on a reasonable valuation, about 17 times next year's earnings and they are doing better as an operator, they're doing better in terms of online digital sales in terms of margin expansion but the one thing you cannot get away from, which is what carter showed you, is the underperformance of the stock relative to the market, relative to the sector, and relative to its peer group here in home depot. for those reasons i do like this trade that mike is taking, which is limiting his risk to just about 3.3% of the stock's value to take a bearish bet using a
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put debit spread the one thing i will add is because our expectation on this particular trade is a fairly short holding period you just think about buying the outright october 190 puts without selling the 165 puts against it. it will only cast you a little bit more, about a dollar and a half more to buy those october 190 puts for about $7.50 that's only risking 4% of the underlying stock's value if you do get a significant move to the downside quickly, you'll have a higher return on the outright puts versus a debit spread that's a minor adjustment you could make depending on your views of how fast you think lowe's will drop on earnings. >> all right, tony and mike, thank you very much. all right, so let's stay kind of with the consumer retail theme, but from the other side and that is consumer spending with the double whammy of a consumer slowdown, and business travel potentially slowing down, tony zang is expressing concern
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about american express stock what are you seeing, tony, and what might be a trade around amex >> yeah, exactly right now what i'm concerned about is the valuations around american express which was justified based on the fast growth we've seen first half of the year but as we start to see consumer sentiments sour and it travels and slows down here, that's the concerns i see. if we look at the chart here for american express, first half of the year, extremely strong in the stock price reflecting that, up 37%, year to date, and if you look at the charts, it's a strong, steady up trend but today we saw a break of that trend line and i think that's a potential signal for weakness to come going forward into the second half. but more importantly, you know, as a sign of what's to see next, here is a relative performance of american express to its sector, the financials we have recently seen the give back all of its outperformance and some more that we've seen, here since june. and if we look at the business
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itself, it's currently trading at about 18 times next year's earnings, that's about 33% premium to its five-year average and even if you apply the highest multiple we've seen since prior to covid at 16 times, that's still going to imply a stock price of about $150 and that's where i think american express is headed going into the second half of this year so the trade structure that i'm going to use is very similar to mike's, one for lowe's, but i'm going to use an in the money debit spread here, i'm going out to october and i'm buying the 170, 155 put spread here, spending about $9 for the october 170s, and then collecting about $2.94, or just under $3 for those october 155s, net, net here, i'm paying about $6 for this debit spread but this is a debit spread that's about roughly $4 mt. money already. the stock only has to move about 1% lower before this strategy is profitable i'm doing that because i don't have a catalyst event on the
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horizon the same way he does for lowe's i'm expecting more of a slower move here to the downside, and an in the money debit spread in my opinion is a better way to play that. >> only a 1% move there, you don't need a lot of action not going to retire on that trade, mike, but you also don't need a big move as well. do you like the trade? would you tweak it in any way? >> yeah, so i think one of the things, and tony has done this, i think, fairly well in the number of instances, you know, we tend to think about trading options that are out of the money oftentimes when we're placing directional bets around catalyst of course, when you're trading on money that's at the money, that's going to have the most extrinsic premium, that's how much decay the option can give away between the day that you trade it, and the day that it expires. and when you use in the money options, or far out of the money options the extrinsic premium is going to tend to be less he's using one of each in this case, the out of the money option in this case is helping to offset some of the decay that you will experience and in total
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between now and october, that's just $2, which is relatively small percentage of the stock price, you know, this is basically one of those situations where you're going to also improve your probability of profit, why is that? it's because the break even, where this trade will begin to make money, if american express begins to decline, we'll be closer to its current share price than if you choose out of the money options to do your trades i think it's appropriate when you consider that he is not identifying a specific catalyst that's likely to move the stock very sharply when you consider the fact that the stock, although it's trading relatively high value isn't overly expensive relative to the rest of the market it's a way you can commit a small percentage of the stock price to make a bearish bet and risk far less than you would if you consider shorting the stock which carries unlimited risk. >> mike and tony, thank you very much, a look at amex there, for everything options action, you know, check out the website, while you're there, sign up for
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welcome back to options action, hope you're having a great friday wherever you may be there are some unusual activity on the institutional side of the options playing field, but mike ko -- how long to play -- what are you seeing happening now >> so -- and i don't think i'm the only one that was seeing it and obviously there's a lot of institutional activity in the product we're talking about and the product we're going to be talking about is eurodollar futures, and for viewers who are not familiar, what are eurodollars, we're not talking about the euro currency dollar cross, what we're actually referring to are dollar deposits held in banks overseas eurodollar futures are used by institutional market participants generally to speculate on what the short-term rates on those deposits are likely to be over the course of this week and
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a little bit of last week we've seen a lot of interesting flows going on there, right now and it's important to understand that when the eurodollar futures go up, like a bond price, that's usually a bet that the interest rates are going to fall for the relevant period. what was the activity that we were seeing? so there's going to be two expirations we're talking about here, the march 2022, 99.5 call strike on the march 2025 eurodollar futures, a lot to unpack there but really what's going on is somebody is going out and buying upside in that march 2025 future but of course because the options they're using expire in march of next year, they're expecting this move to happen sometime between now and then. and essentially what we can read into this is that while throughout much of this year there's been a lot of gnashing of teeth and speculation that the economy could potentially overheat as a result of a large
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fiscal stimulus package in addition to easy monetary policy betting on these eurodollar futures is actually speculating rates could be lower for longer. and that could be a potential tail hedge in any event it would be a bet that rates would not be rising and that obviously is expressing some concern. >> all right, some concern there. carter, do you have any concerns, any supporting evidence that you are seeing about this, in the charts? >> what i have is the same chart we just looked at. let's look at it again, we know that in many instances, key levels can be identified and what we're looking at here is the treasury note futures, and we're looking at, therefore, the yield of that instrument and what we know, and there's sort of no way around this, is that each and every instance where we've come to the top or bottom of the channel, this being the channel since rates
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declined from 1.77 we've responded to it and so the thinking here is that rates are going to drift lower and that's against consensus which remains that rates will go higher. we are not in that camp. >> carter worth, carter thank you, look at that chart on rates, truly remarkable. most people said 2% by the end of the year. not sure if we're going to get there. tony, mike and carter explained what is happening on the pro-only institutional level, but you've got a way to kind of simulate this for maybe the less pro, you know, the retail options trader, or whatever it want to be, how do you do it >> that's exactly right, if we translate what mike said to the yield charts, let's take a look at tlt, a product that viewers can trade, an inverse of the ten-year yield that carter just showed you a chart of tlt, recently we've
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seen this etf break out above $146, and just yesterday it came back to retest that level as support, just like the yield chart that carter showed you, the inverse of it, and it came off and bounced out of of that level and i think that bond prices are headed higher here, just as yields are heading lower and i think the important part to remember as what mike said about the trade is it's more likely a tail hedge, it's more of like an insurance policy rather than an outright bullish bet here on bonds. the trade structure that i'm going to use is reflecting not necessarily a very strong bullish view on bonds, but a non-bearish one, if you will, so the trade structure i'm going to use here is by selling a put spread i'm going out to october 1st, weekly options, and i'm selling the 148-143 put vertical i was able to collect $3.05 for the 148 puts, paying $1.19 for the 143s net, net, i'm chekting $1.82 for
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this put spread. since then tlt moved up by about 50 cents or so on monday, you might want to look at your strength prices, 50 cents higher to the 148.5 and 143.5. and i'm collecting over # 33% of the width and trying to collect on the implied volatilities on tlt, fairly elevated. >> mike? >> okay, by the way, that may be the banner of the week, tlt-a-whirl, i don't know if you saw that whoever back in englewood cliffs, nailed it. what's your take on the trade itself, mike, not the banner. >> yeah, so what's interesting here, of course, is that this is a way that you can make a bullish stance on tlt, while doing two things and i think both make a lot of sense here, one of them is that by selling this spread, one of the things that he's going to be able to do is essentially
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collect premium over time. if you own bonds, one of the things you like to do is clip coupons, and effectively that's one of the things that this trade can do the other thing, though, is that rather than simply going out and buying tlt, when you sell a debit put spread on an instrument your losses are capped at the distance between the two strikes, which i think was $5 in this case. he's risking about $3.20 per share of the tlt etf, obviously less than you would be risking if you bought tlt outright given the thesis that carter was talking about, but also just taking a look at the trade structure, i think this is a trade that makes a lot of sense, given what we've discussed. >> all right, mike, thank you very much. all right, up next, we are answering some of your tweet questions. and while you wait, though, check out our podcast. optionaconilbeacin o minutes. bk it's a thirteen-hour flight, that's not a weekend trip.
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welcome back, time to take your tweets, here we go, our first viewer has a question for tony get ready, tony, your mow hawk industries play from july 1st is nicely profitable, but with a week to go, what percentage of the max profit would be reasonable exit? >> yeah, so this is a trade that took quite a while to come back around but we did in the last week here, the general rule of thumb here is we want to start taking profits off the table once we've made about 75% to 100% of the premium we've paid so far this trade is up about 71%. we're just shy of that threshold. but because we only have one leek left to go it's time to take profits early next week and move on to the next trade. >> all right, our next viewer asks this. what do you think about mic ron for the next two to three
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months micron to mike. >> yeah, you know, it's -- this is a tough one right here, anybody who is following micron knows it had a bad week, despite the fact you would think this is a company that had tail winds and looks like it's trading relatively cheap valuation in addition to morgan stanley downgraded the stock we saw a lot of bearish activity on retail and a couple others, western digital and ewt, the taiwan etf whose largest constituent is taiwan semi, it seems on a fundamental basis there would be reason to like the stock here but somehow the street and retail investors don't seem to. it's better suited for carter but i can't get behind it. look at the support level which looks lower to me. >> we have a question for carter carter, you want to comment on micron very quickly? >> yeah, it's terrible.
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