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that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. [theme music]
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one woman saying she lives here in minneapolis, she feels like it's a change but she didn't want people to forget what it took to reach that change. >> i don't even have words this has been an incredibly long time coming. we were so tense from day one that this trial, we just wanted justice, and justice has been served
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>> reporter: and she said so many people so tense we spoke to community organizers and other people who have been here in minneapolis speaking out about this issue, in many cases marching not far from here is george floyd square, about a 15-minute drive, a couple of miles away. we saw people marching there, playing music, holding signs they wanted to be there at that place where so many people in this community are remembering george floyd we spoke to one of those community activists just about this movement. george floyd's death, it was a tragedy in many people's minds, it's also become a movement. not only here in minneapolis, not only here in the united states, around the world, as people speak out about racial injustice. here's what he had to say. >> i can't believe where we've come from to where we are now. seeing this happen gives me hope that america can change with race relations and everything. you know, being biracial, you know, my mom and father, you know, they had to deal with it growing up
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the neck step is hopefully us building on this foundation on trying to fix race relations in america. >> reporter: a sigh of relief, shep, people letting go of the anxiety and tension they had before we spoke to a woman and her daughter, her 9-year-old daughter, and i asked her, why would you bring a 9-year-old out here not knowing how this was going to go, with so much thought there could be social unrest or violence or looting or just people looking to express their anger? she said she wanted her daughter to see history not knowing which way this would go, she wanted her daughter to be here. she said she wanted her daughter to know her mom was on the right side of it, at least in her opinion. shep, back to you. >> frank holland live at the courthouse, thanks very uch. we've been hearing a large group of people, the george
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floyd family, speaking we've heard the governor of minnesota speak. we're waiting to hear the mayor and police chief in minneapolis speak in just a moment the floyd family news conference is ongoing we now have word that the president and first lady are about to speak live from the white house. president and first lady -- the first lady may be there very well but the vice president is going to speak the president and the vice president. here's vice president harris >> good evening. first, i want to thank the jury for their service. and i want to thank mr. floyd's family for your steadfastness. today, we feel a sigh of relief. still, it cannot take away the pain a measure of justice isn't the same as equal justice. this verdict brings us a step closer, and the fact is, we
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still have work to do. we still must reform the system. last summer, together with senator cory booker and representative karen bat are bass, i introduced the george floyd justice in policing act. this bill would hold law enforcement accountable and help build trust between law enforcement and our communities. this bill is part of george floyd's legacy the president and i will continue to urge the senate to pass this legislation. not as a panacea for every problem, but as a start. this work is long overdue. america has a long history of systemic racism. black americans and black men in particular have been treated throughout the course of our history as less than human
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black men are fathers and brothers and sons and uncles and grandfathers and friends and neighbors. their lives must be valued in our education system, in our health care system, in our housing system, in our economic system, in our criminal justice system in our nation. full stop. because of smartphones, so many americans have now seen the racial injustice that black americans have known for generations. the racial injustice that we have fought for generations. that my parents protested in the 1960s. that millions of us, americans of every race, protested last summer here's the truth about racial injustice.
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it is not just a black america problem. or a people of color problem it is a problem for every american it is keeping us from fulfilling the promise of liberty and justice for all. and it is holding our nation back from realizing our full potential. we are all a part of george floyd's legacy and our job now is to honor it and to honor him thank you. and now it is my great honor to introduce the president of the united states, joe biden
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>> today, a jury in minnesota found former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin guilty on all counts in the murder of george floyd last may. it was a murder in the full light of day, and it ripped the blinders of for the whole world to see the systemic racism the vice president just referred to. the systemic racism that's a stain on our nation's soul the knee on the neck of justice for black americans. profound fear and trauma the pain, the exhaustion of black and brown americans experienced every single day the murder of george floyd launched a summer of protest we
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hadn't seen since the civil rights era in the '60s protests that unified people of every race and generation in peace and with purpose to say, enough enough enough of this senseless killing. today, today's verdict is a step forward. i just spoke with the governor of minnesota who thanked me for the close work with his team i also spoke with george floyd's family again remarkable family of extraordinary courage. nothing can ever bring their brother, their father, back. but this can be a giant step forward in the march toward justice in america let's also be clear that such a verdict is also much too rare.
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for so many people, it seems like it took a unique and extraordinary convergence of factors. a brave young woman with a smartphone camera. a crowd that was traumatized traumatized witnesses. a murder that lasts almost 10 minutes in broad daylight, for ultimately the whole world to see. officers standing up and testifying against a fellow officer, instead of just closing ranks. which should be commended. a jury who heard the evidence, carried out their civic duty, in the midst of an extraordinary moment, under extraordinary pressure for so many, it feels like it took all of that for the judicial system to deliver a just, just basic accountability.
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we saw how traumatic and exhausting just watching the trial was for so many people think about it those of you listening, think about how traumatic it was for you. you weren't there, you didn't know any of the people but it was difficult especially for the witnesses who had to relive that day it's a trauma. on top of the fear so many people of color live with every day when they go to sleep at night and pray for the safety of themselves and their loved ones. again, as we saw in this trial, from the fellow police officers who testified, most men and women that wear the badge serve their communities honorably. but those few who fail to meet that standard must be held accountable, and they were today. one was.
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no one should be above the law and today's verdict sends that message. but it's not enough. it can't stop here in order to deliver real change and reform, we can and we must do more to reduce the likelihood that tragedy like this will ever happen and occur again to ensure that black and brown people or anyone, so they don't fear the interactions with law enforcement, that they don't have to wake up knowing that they can lose their very life in the course of just living their life they don't have to worry about whether their sons or daughters will come home after a grocery store run, or just walking down the street, or driving a car, playing in the park, or just sleeping at home and this takes acknowledging and confronting head-on systemic racism and the racial disparities that exist in policing and in our criminal
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justice system more broadly. you know, state and local government and law enforcement need to step up. but so does the federal government that's why i've appointed the leadership of the justice department that i have that is fully committed to restoring trust between law enforcement and the community they are sworn to serve and protect. i have complete confidence in the attorney general, general garland's leadership and commitment i've also nominated two key justice department nominees, vinita gupta and kristin clark, who are eminently qualified, highly respected lawyers who have spent their entire careers fighting to advance racial equity and justice vinita and kristin have the experience and the skill necessary to advance our administration's priorities to root out unconstitutional policing and reform our criminal
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justice system and they deserve to be confirmed. we also need congress to act george floyd was murdered almost a year ago there's meaningful police reform legislation in his name. you just heard the vice president speak of it. she helped write it. legislation to tackle systemic misconduct in police departments, to restore trust between law enforcement and the people they're entrusted to serve and protect. but it shouldn't take a whole year to get this done. my conversations with the floyd family, i spoke with them again today, i assured them we're going to continue to fight for the passage of the george floyd justice in policing act so i can sign it into law as quickly as possible there's more to do finally, it's the work we do every day to change hearts and minds as well as laws and policies that's the work we have to do.
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only then will full justice and full equality be delivered to all americans. and that's what i just discussed with the floyd family. the guilty verdict does not bring back george. but through the family's pain, they're finding purpose so george's legacy will not be just about his death, but about what we must do when i met george's young daughter, i said this before at george's funeral, i told her how brave i thought she was. and i knelt down to hold her hand "daddy's looking down on you, so proud. she said to me then, i'll never forget it, "daddy changed the world. i told her this afternoon, daddy
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did change the world let that be his legacy a legacy of peace, not violence. of justice peaceful expression of that legacy, inevitable and appropriate. violent protest is not there are those who will seek to exploit the raw emotions of the moment, agitators and extremists who have no interest in social justice. who seek to carry out violence, destroy property, fan the flames of hate and division who will do everything in their power to stop this country's march toward racial justice. we can't let them succeed. this is a time for this country to come together, to unite as americans. there can never be any safe harbor for hate in america i've said it many times. the battle for the soul of this
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nation has been a constant push and pull for more than 240 years. a tug-of-war between the american ideal that we're all created equal and the harsh reality that racism has long torn us apart. at our best, the american ideal wins out so we can't leave this moment or look away thinking our work is done we have to look at it -- we have to look as we did for those 9 minutes and 29 seconds we have to listen. "i can't breathe, i can't breathe. those are george floyd's last words. we can't let those words die with him we have to keep hearing those words. we must not turn away. we can't turn away we have a chance to begin to change the trajectory in this
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country. that's my hope and prayer, that we live up to the legacy may god bless you, may god bless george floyd and his family. thank you for taking the time to be here. this can be a moment of significant change thank you. >> a moment of significant change president biden, vice president harris, speaking at the white house on the heels of the george floyd -- the conviction of derek chauvin in the case of george floyd. he mentioned peaceful protests remember there were so many concerns about what a not guilty verdict might bring. well, look what a guilty verdict has brought. this is downtown minneapolis where there are peaceful protests, hundreds gathered. in washington, d.c., a similar scene there. you can hear and see the dancing in the streets, hear the
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celebrations this crowd was a bit larger a short time ago, but celebrating in what is -- is this the plaza? this is black lives matter plaza in washington, where washington tonians and possibly others have come together in relief, in some cases probably, in celebration of others. a short time ago we were also looking in atlanta where there were peaceful demonstrations under way across much of the country, relief, on some level, celebration that the justice system in this case, on this day, has brought justice minnesota's attorney general, keith ellison, reacted today to the guilty verdict against derek chauvin. >> i would not call today's verdict justice, however, because justice implies true restoration. but it is accountability which is the first step towards justice. >> and a day when the system
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worked it was ellison's office, of course that prosecuted this case with us, cornell brooks, former president, ceo of the naacp, the attorney general calling the verdict progress but saying the fight is not yet over, which seems like maybe the most obvious thing we could note today. >> i think the attorney general ellison spoke truthfully and candidly, that justice has been moved forward, but justice in terms of restoration of george floyd's life, that's certainly not possible but we need to commend and celebrate the wisdom and the courage of the jurors, the witnesses, people all across this country who hoped against hope that justice would be brought about, at least to the extent it could be in this courtroom. so it's incredibly important and
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powerful in this moment. certainly the words of the president. >> i was going to say, it was very powerful hearing from f philonas floyd and the members of the family, the civil rights leaders there, powerful hearing from the first black president of the united states and the president of the united states and their words. in a little while we'll hear from minneapolis police chief arredondo. the floyd family maybe was for one crowd, the president certainly for all of us. you wonder if chief arredondo might have something to say to police officers and chiefs across the country >> i would think so. because this was a moment in which -- think about it. president biden and someone who has only supported law enforcement and reform of policing, he has spoken on behalf and to the george floyd family note he closed his speech by saying, god bless you and god bless the floyd family i would think that chief
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arredondo has this moment this opportunity to commend this acco -- act of accountability with respect to the jurors, with respect to derek chauvin, also to challenge policing, police officers in this moment, all across this country, to step up and stand alongside this community of conscience, citizens of conscience in this country, who are calling for just and constitutional policing so this is opportunity for the chief to do that >> mayor frey is coming to speak now. we're expecting after mayor frey, chief arredondo. let's listen. >> we are a city on the precipice of extraordinary change and progress. we are a city that is collectively united around the change that has been prevented for generations and generations. we are a city that is going to make that change
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we are a city that is hopefully an example for the rest of the world to follow. i want to thank george floyd's family i can't imagine the grief that they have been going through over these last 11 months and continue to go through right now. a daughter who's lost a father family who's lost a son, uncle that pain relevant are will forever be there and a family forever rendered incomplete regardless of the verdict that just came forward. this is a good day in minneapolis, a good day in minnesota. but let me be exceedingly clear, this is day one. this is day one. we've gone through 400 years of injustice, intentional discrimination, jim crow restrictive covenants that run
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with the land, and all forms of anti-blackness and structural racism that has impeded our black community. now is the time for that change. generation after generation, this measure of basic justice through our judicial system has been denied to our black community. that there will, in fact, be black residents in our city, in our state, in our nation, that are stunned, in fact suspended in disbelief, that the jury actually delivered this moment well that reality in and of itself speaks volumes for where we are the trauma our city has faced. the trauma our nation has faced. the pain over this last year, for some we've seen drop by drop a slow, steady, and unrelenting uncertainty.
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and for so many it'se floodgate' worth of injustice hitting an entire community like a tidal wave there's no playbook for navigating these difficult times. no personal discipline or good intention that will somehow blunt this impact. justice has been rendered in this case, but we still have a long way to go to achieve true justice in our city and in our country. no matter your path to this moment in time, one thing is certain, and that is no resident in our city has been immune from the grip of grief over these last 11 months i mentioned a minute ago that we've been defined as a city on
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the edge but it is that precipice of change that we aim to define ourselves by going into the future we're building a new and inclusive community as we speak. we're piloting new ways of policing we're working towards alternative responses to safety beyond policing. and of course, we're working alongside our chief arredondo. we are a city that is capable of extraordinary progress and what makes our democracy work and what will make our community stronger and what will ultimately inform our ability to honor george floyd's life in both word and deed will be our collective willingness to have that active participation in shaping our future to make sure that the precision of our actions match the precision of the harm that was
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initially inflicted now is our time in this city. yes, there will be challenges. and i know we will meet them together with a shared sense of purpose and abiding commitment to racial justice and an unmatched love for the city of minneapolis. i want to take just a brief moment to, yes, again thank the family of george floyd i want to thank the jurors, the witnesses, many of whom were city employees i want to thank every single staffmember that has worked so tirelessly for the city of minneapolis over these last 11 months it's a difficult state to be operating in some form of crisis for that period of time, and they have done it, they have risen to that challenge. i want to thank our community. our community has stepped forward to hold us accountable our community has charged us
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with rising to see the magnitude of this moment and i'm hopeful that we will indeed meet that moment together council vice president jenkins and councilmember elandra have joined us. they are councilmembers who share the intersection at which george floyd was murdered. i'd like to invite up vice councilor jenkins right now, who has been a champion in every way, shape and form of the progress we all need to see. >> we're going to drop back in when the police chief comes up, chief arredondo. for reasons that have already been mentioned, do we have with us, david henderson -- david henderson, i keep going back to this only because the journalist in me has seen this sort of thing for so long. i remember covering two separate
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police trials in two separate local markets where no one even thought of, wow, do you think the police chief's going to testify? it wasn't even a matter of thought, much less the reality of the police chief coming forward and saying, that cop did wrong. i suppose you could, as a group, try to throw anyone under the bus that you feel like, whether you think they're guilty or not. in this case the truth is obvious. but to do so is a new thing. and i can't really get away from it quite yet >> shep, i think you're right to cling to it. it's new, it's unexpected. i don't think anyone would have believed that would happen at the beginning of this trial. and more importantly, we're still waiting to see if it continues to happen in other trials moving forward. but part what was we have to be in finding the strength to improve ourselves and to improve our country is willing to believe in new possibilities so we need to embrace this reality, that a police chief came forward, did the right
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thing, testified against one of his own. and we need to recognize that's a possibility in every city in america where justice is only served when that happens and we need to believe in that reality moving forward i know it's hard to because it seems so impossible. but i think it's necessary for change to continue >> this isn't over, of course. we still have a sentencing phase. arthur, the judge has a certain amount of latitude here. i know the maximum is 40 years but the judge has discretion >> the judge has enormous discretion here, shep. because chauvin doesn't have a record, so he could get the sentence at the lowest end of the guidelines but -- >> which would be 12 1/2 years >> but there's going to be paperwork filed by the prosecutor saying, that because of these aggregated circumstances, my guess is they're going to recommend the highest which would be 40 years.
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i would anticipate the judge is going to go somewhere in between there. he's probably going to look at other cases similarly situated, first in his immediate jurisdiction, then go outward from there and determine what he would find is reasonable in other circumstances, and then weigh the pros and the cons here if i was going to make an educated guess, 25 years would be the guess that i would go. >> david, aggravating, mitigating, and effect on community. your thoughts? >> you know, shep, the only thing that concerns me is just cahill has been a bit defensive in this case and i don't know where that manifests from his comments about representative waters' statements over the weekend, which ironically he compounded to the statements he made, forecasting a guilty verdict but when you get this pushback, the wanting to drop the third-degree murder charge if you read what the court of appeals had to tell him about
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reinstating that charge, in their opinion, it's really hard to read his mindset. he also wouldn't let the prosecutors get into some aspects of chauvin's past, which involved other excessive uses of force, because he said he wouldn't let prosecutors portray him as a thumper i don't know what that means he's likely to do -- i'm concerned he's probably going to lean toward being as conservatively -- sentencing chauvin as conservatively as he can justify. >> dived, thanks i want to talk to both of you about the trial for the three other police officers, a proceeding that's scheduled -- they could have done this one of two ways they could have charged them all at one time, which was under consideration at one point but the prosecutors made the decision to charge derek chauvin first and then the three other officers who were seen and were a part of all of this. and here they are. their counts, aiding and abetting second-degree murder, and aiding and abetting
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second-degree manslaughter the reason the third degree isn't in there is because back in the day when they were doing the charging against these two, that murder three was not yet in the cards. remember, the court made that available eventually we're going to talk about that but while we wait for chief arredondo to come up, a question many are asking tonight. will the guilty verdict against derek chauvin change policing in america? at least begin the process simon balto, assistant professor of african-american history at the university of iowa, and he remains skeptical. writing in "the guardian," it would be wrong for people to think that the trial has some sort of larger, transformative potential for policing and punishment in this country simon joins us now he's also the author of "occupied territory: policing black chicago from red summer to black power. simon, thank you i'm sure you heard, along with us, president biden saying this can be a pivotal moment. you heard along with us,
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listened to our first black vice president in vice president harris have wishful thoughts for the future yet you don't believe this is a seminal moment why? >> well, i mean, you can also look just to the -- what the prosecutor said. the prosecutors said that it was not going to be a transformative moment they literally said in closing arguments, this case is not about the state of minnesota versus the police. and they made derek chauvin out to be a very, very singular actor. when the reality is that derek chauvin is a man who has been trained, trained over 20 years ago, to do the type of work that he does. he was -- he killed george floyd in the course of doing police work you know, and it's the type of police work that people -- that officers are doing every day you know, it's that it doesn't always reach the same sorts of extremes and outcomes that happen when chauvin murdered george floyd but policing exists upon a continuum of violence.
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and that violence is embedded in the everyday threats and coercion that exist in a traffic stop, to the things that happened when george floyd is murdered, when, you know, adam taleto is murdered, so on and so forth. until we actually take seriously the fact that this is a structural problem, not an individualized one, i'm skeptical about the transformative possibility of did verdict. >> i was listening as the family, the floyd family attorney, benjamin crump, said he thinks a guilty verdict can set a precedent for policing sid posb is it possible this wod send a message to policing agencies, the 18,000 of them across the country, about how they shouldand should not conduct themselves, their training, and their hiring >> i mean, it's a good question. i mean, my suspicion is that
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not. you know, when we listen to the officers who testified against derek chauvin, including his former boss, you know, they essentially were saying that he violated department protocol, that he was wrong to kneel on george floyd's neck for as long as he did, he applied pressure to the wrong part of george floyd's body, so on and so forth. but never was it a question of, should police officers ever kneel upon someone's neck? you know, and until we are actually having those types of conversations, i don't know that there's -- you know, that police departments are really going to be taking this all that seriously. you know, and we can go back a short while ago when jason van dyke was convicted for the murder of laquan mcdonald. and you don't need much evidence other than the recent killing of adam tileto to know that didn't change the conduct of chicago police at all. so i'm very, very skeptical about the transformative nature
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within, you know, the departments themselves to reflect upon the things that they do and the policies they hoped to. >> simon balto, assistant prove of african-american history at university of iowa simon, you specifically pointed out the role of the other officers in this case. and you wrote this their inaction is the tale expand on that, if you could >> bilwhat i meant when i said a in that "guardian" piece, was derek chauvin was doing to george floyd did not strike his colleagues as so outside of the bounds of everyday police work as to warrant their intervention when they watched derek chauvin murder george floyd, it was not so exceptional in their minds as to say -- to give them pause to jump in and say, hey, what you're doing is wrong and you are literally killing this person, and we should intervene. so what i mean when i say that
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it's a tell is that you can take -- you can infer all that you infer from the fact that it did not strike them as all that extraordinary or out of bounds of everyday rhythms of their work so as to warrant some sort of intervention. >> you know -- you can say maybe they weren't close enough, maybe they didn't realize. but there were three right there who were charged with aiding and abetting the others on the outside, it was curious as we went through all of those videos that there were plenty of people saying, you've got to stop this. there were plenty saying, you're cutting off his oxygen there were plenty saying, he can't breathe. there was one or two saying, he's not moving. but those were all bystanders. >> right. >> maybe part of this is on us. >> and literally children. right? i mean, you have children -- i
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mean, this is to echo what i think was a very powerful moment of the prosecutors' closing arguments, which is to say that a literal child was looking upon this scene and saying, this is not right. and the 9-year-old is able to recognize injustice and brutality in a way that grown men who are employed by the minneapolis police department. >> simon balto, can't thank you enough for the time and insights have a great night. >> you too. former police officer derek chauvin's guilty verdict means he is now just thesecond polic officer in minnesota ever to be convicted of murder for an on-duty incident in that state bill bratton is with us, was police commissioner in new york city, then in boston, chief of police in los angeles as well. bill, it's great to see you again, as we have over many years, in difficult circumstances. tonight, in your estimation as
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one with worlds of experience, could this incident and this verdict have the power to change policing in america? >> i believe it has and will i've been watching the comments from many of my former colleagues, chiefs of police around america on social media sites. i disagree with your previous guest in the sense that he doesn't believe this is going to be a seminal moment in american policing it is. because you now have american police leadership, as reflected in those comments that they're making, comments making over the last year since the murder of mr. floyd, that american policing, i've been involved with them almost 50 years, where it is today is certainly not where it was in 1970 i reflect on those 50 years, that arc of history, if you will the good news is that we have come a long way. bad news is we still have a long
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way to go. but the death of mr. floyd will accelerate and make much more comprehensive that process of change and you see it already in the sense of the president of the united states, the vice president tonight, speaking out in defense, if you will, not in defense of but in support of the legislation they have filed. we'll now see if the congress of the united states, particularly the senate, steps up to embrace that police reform that is being proposed by the president and is supported by most american police chiefs and their organizations. iacp, noble national sheriffs organize organizations this is an important time in the history of our country, it's an important time in the profession i'm proud to be part of the last 50 years and still stay very much associated with. >> i'm guessing many beat cops in los angeles and boston and new york, all of whom at one
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point served under you are looking around, and they know. they know who the ones are among their ranks. and i'm not saying it's one bad apple, i'm not saying that at all. but they know who the ones are around them who don't have the kind of respect for life that police officers have, who don't understand at the core of their being that theirs is to protect and serve, that it is noble and honorable, and to be respected and is there a chance, in your mind, that those who are just what i described might help leadership weed out those who are not? >> well, i think so. i definitely think so. i've had the privilege of leading in boston, lapd, twice in the city of new york. countless thousands who want to do the right thing, do the right thing, every day do the right thing. and the ability to weed out those who do not, the ability to keep them out in the first place, or despite some of the
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arc arc o archaic oar traition laws. the difficulty of recruiting qualified, capable candidates with the complexities of policing the 21st century, they're already having great difficulty in many departments around the country there's even calls to diminish qualifications we should be not defunding police but effectively funding police sufficiently to recruit the best and the brightest, pay them well, train them well if there's one great deficiency in american policing today, it's training there's not enough of it at the beginning of the career. there's definitely not enough of it during the course of their career and police, when they have the power to take your life, like a doctor, we require doctors to keep abreast of their profession and the changes in their profession throughout their career we don't have the same standards for police
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they have the capability and power to take your life at any particular point in time we need to change that. >> chief bratton, as painful as it is, there's sometimes pain. society is looking in a mirror at its painful moment. we can dance around this all we want, but this has clearly been going on for decades and decades and decades. it's not that this is new. it's that we can see it, because there are cameras. and that means there's likely going to be more of it do we -- >> definitely more of it i wish it could end with this. but there will be more that's the reality. >> i want to get to my question, chief bratton, and that's this is the culture within many police departments such that this sort of de-escalation, respect for life and fellow man, are there pockets of a lack of that to the degree that we
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really do need to tear it all down and build it back up as they've talked about in minneapolis and they have in some other cities? are we at a point where we have to re-evaluate everything and to do so, we need to start over >> no, not at all. we have an extraordinary group of police leaders in america today. we have many strong foundations. i'm proud of the time i spent policing, reforming, and changing one of my greatest frustrations was the phenomenal changes we were making in the nypd, de-escalation training, training to deal with the various challenges of drug addiction the police encounter so many things that reformers are calling for, we were already doing. then after the death of mr. floyd, the tragedy of that death, it was an etch a sketch moment when it's as if there were no reforms occurring the last 30 years. there's been a great deal of it, but there was a great deal to reform it doesn't change overnight. and the complexity of policing is not going to change overnight. it's getting more difficult.
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it's like a rubik's cube police are only one square on that rubik's cube. we don't start addressing the issues -- the psychological issues we have to face with so many people in the street, the drug addiction so much else that needs to be resolved before police reform can be impactful we need to be moving forward on a lot of fronts. there's focus on police at the moment, but you can put all your attention on police, you're not going to get the changes you want until you broaden the reform efforts to make sure all the things police are called upon to deal with oftentimes with the inadequacy of the training and the skills they have, that the rest of society has not wanted to face up to the costs of dealing with the mentally ill, to deal with the drug addicted, to deal with poverty, to deal with racial disparities in our country it doesn't all end up on shoulders of police. it should not end up on the shoulders of police. there's no denying police need to reform, but they need to be reformed within the larger
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reformation of our country >> chief bill bratton, it's always nice to talk to you thanks for your insights tonight, chief. >> thank you pleasure being with you. we've had to prepare for all contingencies as a news organization and a larger one through nbc universal. had this verdict gone the other way, you know, we had an inkling of what was going to happen. the cameras are out to cover it. instead we're covering this peaceful demonstration in celebration of legal justice being served and our own frank holland is out at peaceful protest you've been seeing the last 10, 15 minutes and up amongst them how ace it going there, frank? >> reporter: shep, we're here by this protest that has left the courthouse and circled around the city, now returned to the courthouse with all respect to bill bratton, i think the people here for the most part disagree with him, maybe that reflects the
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nation, they've been chanting throughout the day "no good cops in a racist system." while bill bratton believes the system doesn't need to be dismantled, many of the people here say it does need to be dismantled that in their mind police departments around the nation do not respect the lives or the legal rights of black people, many people here saying there's more work to be done related to daunte wright, a black man who was killed in brooklyn center, minnesota, not far from here, by a white police officer who believed that she mistake -- said she mistook her taser -- excuse me, mistook her gun for a taser. other people remembering the death of philando castille, a gentleman in the minnesota area killed by police officers. a lot of people -- again, a feeling, a sense of relief that there was a guilty verdict in this case, but saying there's much more work to be done. right now you're seeing i believe an image of a gentleman waving a black lives matter flag who's a white gentleman. this has definitely been a multi-cultural event
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people from all different ethnicities and races gathered together to at first wait in anticipation of this verdict, and again, to celebrate. not the verdict itself but the sense that they feel that finally the justice system is recognizing their concerns and their worries. many people feeling, again, much more work to be done, and still, of course, we have to get to the sentencing of derek chauvin. some people expressing concern about that we heard david henderson saying he felt some concern about maybe the judge's motivation on mindset in relation to this case we're going to look at that in the future, shep tonight and right now, these people are just saying they're relieved that there was a guilty verdict on all three counts. they're relieved that their city is not engulfed in social unrest and it's not being policed and seeing police officers everywhere right now, as you mentioned, a peaceful protest in the wake of the derek chauvin trial. back over to you. >> frank, i always wonder,
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because we're all so insulated as a society, we live in ups of people like ourselves in many cases. i think back to rodney king and seeing the video of what happened there i think about the graphic testimony regarding so many along the way. amadou diallo. and now people of all colors and socioeconomic groups have seen the reality of what does happen in america when black people meet police. and i wonder if we're not all going to be better for the knowledge and if these scenes aren't something that says we're all on board with this as real problem. and we've gotten just to there, that every kind of person in america no matter the color or where you live or how much you make, what your accent is like, big city, small town -- if you are now -- have seen it for yourself and realize it's a true thing, if that in and of itself
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couldn't be enormously helpful to all of us >> you know, shep, i think only time will tell if everyone comes to that conclusion and realization, i think today is just a moment where many people believe that justice was served and that at least there is an acknowledgement that there may be an issue with policing in this nation. i'm sure some people fall on one side of it, some people fall on the other side of it but that discussion has been opened up, at least, throughout this case. i think that's progress. you know, i don't want to speak for any of the people here but the fact that we're all talking about this issue more in depth and that is something that police officers, as you mentioned -- i don't think i've ever seen -- i've been to quite a few trials, i don't think i've seen a police chief basically testify against an officer i think that was almost unprecedented. the fact that police officers are talking about reform and changing the way that they're policing, especially communities of color, that is certainly progress whether we actually take a giant
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step forward, as many people hope and believe we will, that remains to be seen. >> you also didn't hear groups, the kinds of groups who often stand on the other side of a black/white issue in this way, you didn't hear them going, leave that officer alone that unbalanced other side was fairly quiet this time around. and i found that through the course of the last 14 days, and for that matter, over the last year, to be a difference >> reporter: you know, shep, you're absolutely right. very different situations. but if we can compare this perhaps to the presidential election, i was in philadelphia for the presidential election. philadelphia generally a very democratic city. but there was a large contingent of republicans and trump voters there standing on the other side of people who were pro-joe biden. they were very vocal they held signs. here, you did not see anything like that. there were not, you know, blue lives matter protesters here there were not people here standing on the side of derek chauvin at all that i saw. i've been here for several days.
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if they were here, they were not visible, they were not vocal that's not something that we've generally seen nationwide, not even from police groups. so i agree with you on that. there doesn't seem to be a vocal and loud opposition to the sense that there needs to be some reform in policing when it comes to communities of color. >> i didn't hear -- i heard some victim blaming in court. of course, when you don't have the facts, you do what you do. but i didn't hear that in this case there was a little bit in the courtroom. but there was none outside of it, that loud other side that often says, but look at him, he's this, he's that, the victim blaming. in this case, that was fairly quiet. thanks very much, frank holland, and our legal minds who have been with us, and all our guests throughout the past three hours. it's been 330 days, that's how long, since george floyd was killed outside the cup foods in minneapolis. 14 days, that's how many of testimony there was in this trial. 10 1/2 hours, how long it took
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the jury to reach a verdict. and now, on a tuesday night in america, we have peaceful demonstrations, horns honking, celebrating a triumph of justice. people saw this themselves and like the jury, heard from the prosecutors who said, sometimes it's just what you think it is. sometimes you can trust your eyes and your ears and in this case, they did much work ahead as we try to come together as a nation. but no major problems to report here tonight i'm shepard smith at cnbc global headquarters in englewood cliffs, new jersey thanks for being with us today "squawk box" first thing in the morning and i'll see you tomorrow night ♪ to be free ♪
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